Spaceship Samurai, former member of N3 and a founding member of HERO, played an important role in HERO’s conquest and settlement of Catch from the now defunct Stainwagon. Recent times have no been as kind to HONOR as the last few months had been. Their most famous FC, Securitas Protector, took an extended break from EVE and is only back for a limited time, many high profile members of Concordiat – including the HONOR PVP director, Spyderbytee, and co. alliance executer Cpt Disturbed – have left for greener pastures in Evolution, and a debilitating debate regarding moon income and the role of No-Mercy in ruining HONOR, a debate which influenced the departure of Concordiat leadership, has gripped the alliance.
For example, a brief discussion between Xax Tannor, the then executor of HONOR and a member of No-Mercy, members of HONOR high command, and his co. executor:
[7/2/2014 10:20:00 AM] (HONOR) Pavo “Xax tannor”: I know it’s not just you, and I really don’t care at this point.
[7/2/2014 10:20:22 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): you should
[7/2/2014 10:20:31 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): at least they are contributing
[7/2/2014 10:21:00 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): still dont see a dime from no-m in the alliance wallet
[7/2/2014 10:23:31 AM] (HONOR) Pavo “Xax tannor”: That’s cuz the shit has yet to get moved and sold. I don’t want toi hear anything more about that. If you really think that No-M is trying to steal for siphon income from the allaince then you are sorely mistaken. In case you have forgotten I am part of No-M so I can figure out exactly what is going on.
[7/2/2014 10:25:55 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): the fact is the alliance paid for no-m’s large towers and bought them freighters that dont get used. and has not seen anything from it
[7/2/2014 10:26:14 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so untill will can see i will continue to bring it up.
[7/2/2014 10:26:54 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): you guys want to strangle the corsp that are helping pay bills but do nothing your selves
[7/2/2014 10:27:29 AM] Aura Ikku: IG will pay its fair share but any deal has to be reasonable
[7/2/2014 10:29:25 AM | Edited 10:29:35 AM] Aura Ikku: I’ve been waiting for logistics to setup contracts for the agreed share of moon goo on r32s and R64s yet this never happened
[7/2/2014 10:29:58 AM | Edited 10:30:00 AM] Aura Ikku: if this was sorted out earlier, maybe the alliance would not be in the financial situation it is now
[7/2/2014 10:30:17 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): we are not hurting that bad
[7/2/2014 10:30:32 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): But capt, it’s not just cdiat and ig anymore we have to listen to the minority( absolute rubbish bullshit) and give them everything they want for fear of political bullshit
[7/2/2014 10:30:41 AM] (HONOR) Pavo “Xax tannor”: We have been trying to sort this fucking shit out for too dam long
[7/2/2014 10:30:48 AM] Aura Ikku: well not having an alt in the holding corp leaves me out of that picture
[7/2/2014 10:30:51 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): It was sorted
[7/2/2014 10:30:58 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): I thought
[7/2/2014 10:31:23 AM] (HONOR) Pavo “Xax tannor”: No it never has, every idea that has been proposed has been shot down by someone
[7/2/2014 10:31:25 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Now we are changing shit why. I thought it was all percentage based
[7/2/2014 10:31:40 AM] Aura Ikku: ^
[7/2/2014 10:31:42 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): no darth and pavo decided they wanted to come up with some shitty flat rate deal
[7/2/2014 10:32:10 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Because we are trying to be brave pets why
[7/2/2014 10:32:22 AM] Aura Ikku: 75% of r64 and r32s go to alliance
The deal being mentioned by Aura is a scaling plan in which corps could keep r16s but r64s and r32s, or at least a percentage of them, would be given to the alliance and was evidently decided upon prior to the invasion of Catch. However, Xax Tannor and the CEO of his corp, No-Mercy, have proposed and appear to be trying to push a deal in which corps are paid a flat rate for towers and hand all income over to the alliance. The issue however seems to be that, under No-Mercy’s deal, the alliance would be missing several months of r64 income.
[7/2/2014 10:47:06 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): It just seems No-m is pushing this deal so hard before anyone notices that they hadnt paid out or even give anyone some kind of numbers of what they are sitting on
[7/2/2014 10:47:34 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): like they are hiding something
[7/2/2014 10:47:51 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Seems to me like we where bloated with other corps for this end
[7/2/2014 10:47:54 AM] Aura Ikku: no-mercy went for the valuable moons and IG went for the less valuable ones
[7/2/2014 10:48:09 AM] Aura Ikku: often after no-mercy rejected the idea of taking a given moon
[7/2/2014 10:48:41 AM] Aura Ikku: we were happy to do this as we thought we coudl keep those lowly r16s
[7/2/2014 10:49:02 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): yesterday darth said no-m has only made 8b a month
[7/2/2014 10:49:14 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): we know thats utter bullshit
[7/2/2014 10:49:54 AM] Aura Ikku: I would agree that there is a massive difference between holding a moon getting go and turning that into isk
[7/2/2014 10:50:09 AM] Aura Ikku: IG still owes 15 bil to our officers for the whole project
[7/2/2014 10:50:18 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Still
[7/2/2014 10:50:22 AM] Aura Ikku: however, we do have goo about
[7/2/2014 10:50:33 AM] Aura Ikku: but calculating the value is not easy
[7/2/2014 10:51:14 AM] Aura Ikku: its a pain in the ass getting stuff to jita and selling it
[7/2/2014 10:51:18 AM] Aura Ikku: lol
[7/2/2014 11:26:48 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): So…. How much does no-m have to put towards the alliance from the moons?
[7/2/2014 11:28:47 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): and im free to help move it to market if thats all thats holding you back.
[7/2/2014 11:29:37 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Im sure we would all like to know.
[7/2/2014 12:19:53 PM] Hellz .: Alright Cpt, here we go. I have made multiple efforts over the past 2 and a half months to give the isk to Pavo for the moons. He kept saying no that we didnt need it yet, that he’d give me advance notice. And I told him that the second he needed It I would give 95% of all income after that time to the alliance after fuel costs. Which is pretty damn fair. We’re not looking to make money from this.We don’t give a shit, which is why we’re cool with only making 45 mil a month per tower. You guys are the ones that want more, that want to turn a profit.
[7/2/2014 12:20:06 PM] Hellz .: We’
[7/2/2014 12:21:05 PM] Hellz] .: ve also not asked for compensation for the upgrades I personally brought down and paid for, the Ihubs I helped pay for, the freighters we ran down, the moons we fought for time and time again, the Jump Bridge I set up and paid sov bills for. Nor have I asked for the over 4 bil in Sov bills my corp has paid.
[7/2/2014 12:21:24 PM] Hellz] .: We paid them no questions asked, because we were making isk and the alliance wasn’t/
[7/2/2014 12:21:39 PM] Hellz] .: At one point we had pretty much every system in the RNF and N-8 pocket held by us.
[7/2/2014 12:21:42 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): alliance bought the freights remember
[7/2/2014 12:21:44 PM] Hellz] .: And we were paying the sov bills.
[7/2/2014 12:21:50 PM] Hellz] .: Alliance paid for some of the freighters.
[7/2/2014 12:22:00 PM] [Hellz] .: We’ve moved 5-6 down here for alliance shit.
[7/2/2014 12:22:15 PM] Hellz] .: So if you want to accuse me of stealing, do it to my face.
[7/2/2014 12:22:30 PM] Hellz] .: And I’ll kindly send a bil for probably around 9-10 bil worth of expenses we’ve racked up.
[7/2/2014 12:22:57 PM] [Hellz] .: Otherwise, you can take pretty much 100% of the moon goo from this day forward and consider yourself in a pretty fucking good position
[7/2/2014 12:23:09 PM] Hellz] .: Since we all know it’s probably going to go for you guys to get your titans anyways
[7/2/2014 12:23:52 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): bull shit the alliance has paid for a ton of that shit and you where holding r64’s
[7/2/2014 12:24:25 PM] Hellz] .: lol check the sov transfers (heart)
[7/2/2014 12:24:38 PM] Hellz] .: You’ll see what we were holding, and you can do the math.
[7/2/2014 12:25:46 PM] [Hellz] .: The JB alone cost us over 1.2b for the first payments and we made like 3
[7/2/2014 12:26:42 PM][Hellz] .: So by all means we can bring out the numbers.
[7/2/2014 12:27:46 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so what your trying to say is all the goo you have pulled is even with what you have spent
[7/2/2014 12:28:29 PM] Hellz .: You paid it up till the beginning of may when I stopped asking for shit since the alliance had no income I took it onmyself to pay your damn bills.
[7/2/2014 12:28:50 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): OH 1 MONTH
[7/2/2014 12:29:25 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): but your talk r64 income
[7/2/2014 12:29:31 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): talking
[7/2/2014 12:30:33 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): I know what your spending cause we are spending the same if not more
[7/2/2014 12:30:54 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): it is no where near the income of r64’s
The discussion then devolved into what is largely a senior member of No-Mercy pointing finguers at Cpt Disturbed, accusing him of abusing his power by booting a non-productive mining corp with only forty-eight hours of warning. Two days later however, the conversation again became heated with Aura Ikku of IG, HONOR’s largest corp, flatly refusing a plan that no one from IG was present to discuss in a meeting.
[7/4/2014 4:22:44 PM] Darth: He is probably still active early EU Tz
[7/4/2014 4:22:49 PM] Aura Ikku: then why did this all important moon mining meeting happen outside a TZ that silver could join?
[7/4/2014 4:23:06 PM] Darth: Because I said so.
[7/4/2014 4:23:13 PM] Aura Ikku: then you are a dick
[7/4/2014 4:23:16 PM] Darth: No.
[7/4/2014 4:23:25 PM] Aura Ikku: and you will have issues getting anyone to follow you
[7/4/2014 4:23:31 PM] Darth: I comformed to 4/5 corps involved.
[7/4/2014 4:23:38 PM] Aura Ikku: eh?
[7/4/2014 4:23:39 PM] Darth: It is not my fault that IG could not attend.
[7/4/2014 4:23:46 PM] Aura Ikku: you are a tool
[7/4/2014 4:23:52 PM] Darth: As such, I left a section of good space for IG.
[7/4/2014 4:24:00 PM] Darth: Even without them asking for it, as I had reserved it for them.
[7/4/2014 4:24:03 PM] Aura Ikku: IG will not be working with your model
[7/4/2014 4:24:17 PM] Darth: Then I will remove you from the chart and hand out your moons to other corps.
[7/4/2014 4:24:39 PM] Aura Ikku: try
[7/4/2014 4:24:48 PM] Aura Ikku: and watch this alliance collapse
[7/4/2014 4:25:13 PM] Darth: Just because you don’t like me is not a reason to threaten the alliance.
[7/4/2014 4:25:25 PM] Darth: Were not being hostile here, let’s keep it civil.
[7/4/2014 4:25:37 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): Civil went out the door 4 days ago
[7/4/2014 4:25:46 PM] Aura Ikku: you hit any IG towers and you will cause a schism
[7/4/2014 4:25:46 PM] Darth: lol, I must of missed the memo,.
[7/4/2014 4:26:13 PM] Aura Ikku: if you wanted us on board, you should have made fucking sure we were consulted
[7/4/2014 4:26:15 PM] Darth: Who said anything about hitting IG Towers?
[7/4/2014 4:26:24 PM] Aura Ikku: [Friday, July 04, 2014 4:24 PM] Darth:<<< Then I will remove you from the chart and hand out your moons to other corps.
[7/4/2014 4:26:33 PM] Darth: Yes, that is alliance distribution
[7/4/2014 4:26:35 PM] Aura Ikku: how are you going to hand out our moons without taking them?
[7/4/2014 4:26:43 PM] Darth: You will unachor them and transfer.
[7/4/2014 4:26:45 PM] Aura Ikku: that involves seiging them
[7/4/2014 4:26:51 PM] Darth: No, simple transfer.
[7/4/2014 4:27:10 PM] Aura Ikku: um, and that is happening how?
[7/4/2014 4:27:19 PM] Darth: Alliance pays for tower and any mods
[7/4/2014 4:27:26 PM] Darth: you offline and unanchor.
[7/4/2014 4:27:29 PM] Darth: New corp comes
[7/4/2014 4:27:39 PM] Darth: relaunches and anchor/online.
[7/4/2014 4:27:44 PM] Aura Ikku: and you think I’ll do that?
[7/4/2014 4:28:00 PM] Aura Ikku: I am following the original plan put to me
[7/4/2014 4:28:13 PM] Aura Ikku: your plan, darth, doens;t mean shit to me
[7/4/2014 4:28:24 PM] Aura Ikku: and is not supported by the majority
[7/4/2014 4:28:39 PM] Aura Ikku: and you went about imposing it and deciding on the new model, in the worst way possible
[7/4/2014 4:28:56 PM] Darth: I’ve never been known for my sweet talk have I?
[7/4/2014 4:29:01 PM] Aura Ikku: no
[7/4/2014 4:29:23 PM] Aura Ikku: but to me it looks like you puposely chose to have a discussionon the topic when you knew damn well IG would not be there to represent
[7/4/2014 4:29:38 PM] Darth: No, I did it when I was online and I wanted to get shit done.
[7/4/2014 4:29:46 PM | Edited 4:29:48 PM] Aura Ikku: therefore allowing you to chose a plan without opposition from the people who run the majority of towers
[7/4/2014 4:29:54 PM] Darth: And we had representatives from 4 out of 5 corps involved.
[7/4/2014 4:30:14 PM] Aura Ikku: but not the corp that holds most of the towers?
[7/4/2014 4:30:19 PM] Darth: I wasn’t choosign a plan, it was already chosen, we met to talk about how they would be distributed.
[7/4/2014 4:30:22 PM] Aura Ikku: common sense here darth!
[7/4/2014 4:30:34 PM] Darth: Idc how many towers you run.
[7/4/2014 4:30:38 PM] Aura Ikku: 46
[7/4/2014 4:31:32 PM] Aura Ikku: and between pavo and yourself, over a measly 6 bil a month, you want to cause a potential schism of the alliance
Tensions brought on by the ‘great moon debate’ eventually boiled over to the point that, as listed at the beginning of the article, Cpt Disturbed left the alliance and went to EVOL.
[8:07:21 PM] *** Cpt Disturbed(Honor) has left ***
[8:18:03 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): no-m has ruined this alliance
[8:18:12 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): today is a sad day
[8:33:59 PM] Darth: ..?
[8:42:54 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Capt joined evol
[10:19:50 PM] Darth: What happened to our TS3 permissions?
[10:22:20 PM] Darth: Ohh cool, dex/Cpt removed ts3 roles?
[10:27:24 PM] Darth: “Hellz Hitman1111” was removed from server group “CEO” by “Dex”.
“Pavo “Xax Tannor”” was removed from server group “Alliance Leadership” by “serveradmin from 76.186.162.21:56737”.
“Pavo “Xax Tannor”” was removed from server group “XO” by “serveradmin from 76.186.162.21:56737”.
“Pavo “Xax Tannor”” was removed from server group “Head Dicklo” by “serveradmin from 76.186.162.21:56737”.
[10:30:10 PM] Darth: Also roles themselves got hit by a nerf bat…
[10:30:26 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): i think dex is mad
[10:30:36 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): capt isnt doing this
[10:31:40 PM] Darth: Yeah it’d be dex.
[10:32:04 PM] Darth: tho serveradmin could of been either as they both had access. But good to know it’s just dex and not cpt.
[10:32:29 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): capt is gone along with most of cdiat learship
[10:32:42 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): its me and aben
[10:32:45 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): left
[10:32:49 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): xeron
[10:32:58 PM] Darth: Securitas is coming back tho?
[10:33:11 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): than going to medschool
[10:33:24 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): you guys rly fucked us here
[10:41:59 PM] Darth: I’ll admit, it’s looking grim for CDIAT. Your going to have a lot of work on your shoulders.
[10:42:08 PM] Darth: Do you know how long sec will be back for?
[10:43:17 PM] Darth: Before he has to go for med school?
[11:10:54 PM] Hellz .: No-mercy can help you guys if you need some support in cdiat.
[11:11:09 PM] Hellz .: As well as help the alliance recoup the isk Cpt stole.
As of the publishing of this article Caleb Ball, former MilDir of HONOR, has also left the alliance and joined Evolution. This schism within the alliance and loss of some of its key figures spells a dark time for the HERO founding alliance. It remains interesting to see what becomes of this alliance in coming weeks.
Those interested in our sources can see the HONOR leadership logs here and an excerpt from their command forums here.
