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Hello pilots!

Today we’re going to talk about Force Auxiliaries (FAX). The big space healers are due for some changes and we want to hear from you!

The CSM has been very outspoken about the unhealthy state of FAXs and most of their feedback is centered in two major areas:

– FAX repair numbers are just too high. The amount of DPS that can be neutralized by one FAX (either locally or remotely) is simply too much, especially considering the relatively low cost of a FAX after insurance.

– Counterplay options are too limited. Their cap stability, immunity to ewar, and lack of anti-logi options leave few strategies to opponents outside of bringing more numbers

We agree on both counts, but in this proposal we will be focusing on the first point. We hope to bring the raw numbers down to a place that feels healthier, then explore counterplay options in the future.

Our specific goals here are:

– Reduce remote rep/s from triage substantially
– Increase duration for remote reps (to create larger time windows for target switching)
– Reduce local rep/s from triage substantially

Proposed Changes (all changes are listed based on tech II module variations and will be extended at same % values to other meta variations where appropriate):

Triage:

Remote Rep Duration (all) reduced to 65% (was 75%)
Remote Rep Amount (all) increased to 500% (was 450%)
Local Rep Amount (armor/shield) reduced to 75% (was 120%)

Capital Remote Armor Repairer:

Duration increased to 15s (was 12s)
Capacitor Need increased to 2440 (was 1950)

Capital Remote Shield Booster:

Duration increased to 20s (was 16s)
Capacitor Need increased to 3300 (was 2640)
note: Capacitor need increase is to keep cap cost per second consistent with current values

Overall, these changes would result in roughly 37% reduction in both remote and local rep output for FAX with almost double the cycle time for remote reps in triage. This is a very large change, but internal investigation and CSM input indicate it is warranted.

Now, we want to hear from you. This is not set in stone and before we move forward we want to validate the need for such a large change with the community as a whole. Let us know how this would affect you and whether or not it would be positive.

Thanks for reading!

16 Comments

  1. Isy

    Please do this so I don’t have to use another ship I have maxed out skills in…

    Btw… When does CCP plan to refund my Heavy Missile II, Heavy Assault Missile II, Torpedo II, and Cruise II skills? Most of these are obsolete thanks to Rapid variants. I’d like to put those into my super capital skills since it’s the one community CCP doesn’t dare anger.

    July 20, 2018 at 05:49 Reply
    1. Isy

      What’s the matter with triage? Even when the mighty Archon performed this role it wasn’t unbeatable.

      I think most of the new crop of FC’s lack the necessary butt muscles to endure the pucker factor of fighting against a triage.

      As a maxed out triage pilot I can tell you the thing is weak compared to what it used to be “pre-FAUX” update. Especially since the community adores ancillary reps and capital cap injectors (lol).

      July 20, 2018 at 05:59 Reply
  2. Isy

    As for the “triage, ugh… so bad” crowd. Well… your gamers are dumber now. Triage was never a “game stopper” even during its heyday with the mighty Archon.

    I believe the new crop of EVE FC’s lack the butt cheek muscles to endure the pucker factor involved when fighting against triage reps.

    But go ahead and appease the least common denominator. I don’t care anymore. Just keep ruining your game by making it simpler. Star Citizen is already showing signs of being a delightfully brutal MMO. Isn’t that what you once were so proud of being?

    July 20, 2018 at 05:56 Reply
  3. Isy

    What’s the matter with triage? Even when the mighty Archon performed this role it wasn’t unbeatable.

    I think most of the new crop of FC’s lack the necessary butt muscles to endure the pucker factor of fighting against a triage.

    As a maxed out triage pilot I can tell you the thing is weak compared to what it used to be “pre-FAUX” update. Especially since the community adores ancillary reps and capital cap injectors (lol).

    July 20, 2018 at 05:59 Reply
  4. Tech 9

    Stop the “IMAXEDFAX” salt plz.

    45 T3 crusiers that you MUST have to kill just one FAX after a hour of bashing, is not a healthy game mechanic. It is a cancer.

    July 20, 2018 at 21:57 Reply
    1. Isy

      Trying to kill a triage with straight DPS is like trying to remove a tumor with a butter knife. It can be done, but there are better tools for the job.

      The best Apostle (Deadspace modules, faction modules, drugs, and implants) can tank in the low 30k dps. 45 T3 cruiser can put out 36,000-39,000 dps. Frankly I don’t see your problem. Btw… The above mentioned Apostle prices out at 6 billion isk. Hardly your “run-of-the-mill” Apostle. Oh, and you also have to have spent about 9-12 months just training things like Capital Remote Repair Systems 5 (51 days), Capital Emission Systems 5 (51 days), Capital Repair Systems 5 (41 days), Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration 5…. I think you get the point.

      I’m going to have a beef with idiots who don’t understand how intensive triage is. I spent the time for this.

      I see no problem with killing triage. Instead of whining that the rules should be changed, MAN UP.

      July 21, 2018 at 00:56 Reply
      1. Tech 9

        And now make the math – how much effort you need to train skills and how much ISK you need to spend for those 45 T3 cruisers fleet, to bring them together in order to counter just one enemy.

        Better tools:
        a. bring enough arty machariels instead of T3.
        b. drop caps -> capital escalation.

        Should we remove non-viable sub-capitals and small corporations and alliances from this game to satisfy the guys who MAXEDOUT their toons?
        No we should not.

        July 21, 2018 at 14:09 Reply
  5. Lordjanuss

    This is the tings that stopped my playing last time, sudden change to ships many use weeks to get in to and play with. nerf hammer coming , I might just chansel my 3 accounts after all, I dont se the point anymore, befor it was a hard ball game , now its become ….

    July 28, 2018 at 19:01 Reply
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