With all the fuss about Empress Jamyl being ‘dead’ dead and the Imperium invading Providence we thought we’d speak to Max Singularity (Charles White), the man behind the character known as the Space Pope. We talked about his work at NASA, his relationship with The Mittani and fancy dress competitions – as well as his holy war.

So, for those newer players, can tell us briefly who Max Singularity is and what he’s about?

My real name, as you know, is Charles White – I always bring that up in interviews and conversations because I like to separate the real person from the character.

Max Singularity, basically, became famous not because of what Max did but because of what all the players did to him.  I practice radical inclusion and radical self expression and participation; these are three Burning Man ethos.

So, when the players gave me these titles – I ran with it. So I never made up any of my own titles and that really took hold with the players, because they started to say “Wow, dude,” in their words “this guys cool.” I created myself an Amarrian admiral’s jacket and I started doing a Sunday service on Youtube. The people were like ‘Well he’s not just an admiral – he’s the Pope of New Eden.’ That started a whole thing, and then I was like, ‘Literally you shouldn’t have done that,’ because I went out and created a Pope’s costume that I kept in secret and I brought that to Iceland fanfest and I ended up winning the whole thing.

Everyone realised that, of course, you need an Amarrian Pope.

So the titles came before the costume and you were given those titles by the players?

Correct, yes. I made the costume based on the title because, again, that’s how I honoured participation and inclusion. Now, a couple of people have given me some bad titles, but I haven’t taken those.

Why did they first give you those Pope related titles?

Well, I’m an older player – 55 years old and on the Facebook group  I would kind of intermix real life wisdom with in game knowledge. If there was people having a hard time, people semi-suicidal or whatever I would kinda talk them down and try to help them. People splitting up with their girlfriend or their cat died or whatever, I would just be the old man, be the elder. It just won the respect of the people.

Because even my roleplay, even against my enemies, there’s two things I’m very strict about; one is I don’t attack anyone direct, I don’t call them idiots, I don’t assholes, I never name call even if they are assholes. The second thing I do is in roleplay I do not use God’s name in vain, or the Lord’s name in vain at all. So unlike CVA and a lot of the Amarr Jamylites, you know they’re like ‘We’re on a mission from God’, Max as the Pope is like ‘How dare you think God is so small he cares about your military campaign or your ships or your group of people?’

Thus, that’s where the title of Pope of New Eden not just Amarr came from, because there are Gallente following me, Caldari following me, there’s Minmatar following me – ‘cos everybody is seeing this universal truth. It’s funny, there are people who have said I have reclaimed more souls in six months than all of Amarr has in six years.

I see from your Facebook profile that you’re a Knowledge Specialist at NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory. That sounds cool. Can you tell us a little about that?

So I’m what’s called a Knowledge Management Specialist. I am in the office of the chief knowledge officer. Which, we do lessons learned investigations and we control how senior knowledge is communicated to the institution and how it’s put into our spacecraft rules and our design principles.

So, basically, we’re helping the institution retain its knowledge as an asset. It’s a new field, it’s only about twenty years old.  I could not be happier for my career.

As corny as it is, we are literally doing things that have never been done before. So if was working for Boeing and I needed to replace a jet engine I could go to Lockheed, or another aerospace engineering firm and hire a jet engine specialist, but how can you land a rover on Mars? We can’t go out and say ‘we need somebody with a PhD in landing a rover on Mars’ because we’ve never done that before. That’s knowledge we earned, that’s knowledge that we have to then train.

So there’s a lot of techniques we’ve been developing over the last twenty years to help make the institution smarter.

Another thing I do in real life is I’m a Burning Man artist (http://desertwizards.com/)

So the whole space thing – is that how you became interested in Eve?

Yeah, I’m definitely one of the rocketmen spirits. There’s people who come here and it’s their job five days a week and there’s a few of us who have that rocketman spirit. For the last 28 years, every time the I show my badge and the guard lets me in it’s a wow moment for me. Literally every day, like today I smiled at the guard and was like ‘Yes!’

How long have you been playing Eve?

I started in 2008, I started with a Caldari character but I kept looking at the Amarr ships and I wanted to be Amarr. I created Max as a true Amarr. I created a whole back story. Four a couple of years he was just the son of the lord of the house. There’s actually an eveopedia article.


What kept you playing?

It was from the back story and then people giving me all the titles and they were surprised I ran with it and they realised I was really active.

Aside from role playing the “Space Pope” what sort of things do you get up to in game?

I do a lot of wormholing – I have heard the spirit voice of Bob. Bob is not a God he is a spirit.

I’ve done quite a bit of nullsec, with Max. I was a newb in Cry Havoc. Cry Havoc 2008-2009 was an elite group like Rooks and Kings are today. I wanted to be a logi pilot, I was logi 4. I didn’t go out with them a lot as they were very strict on having logi 5. But as soon as I got logi 5, the very week, they announced they were disbanding.

So then I joined a couple of nullsec alliances, that were primarily fighting against the Goons – which is kind of funny.

I was a member of Providence for a long time. I was in Volition Cult and I got a good taste of how CVA works because there was a lot of times we were fighting the Goons and others and we put out the call for help and CVA literally did the ‘Help is not coming’. So now Providence is burning and guess what? Help is not coming.

Are you active in what’s going on in Providence at the moment?

Providence is burning. Of the 84 systems something like 78 systems have their timers set.

There is one system, the capital of CVA that through my mercy we have not attacked. But I can’t guarantee we won’t attack it because it is in a military operations area.

It’s my mercy, and the reason is roleplay.

Max was after Jamyl because he believes for her and the council to claim that it was God’s will that she came back from the dead was heresy. Max was livid about that. But Jamyl was too powerful to confront. Only later she became weaker and we started speaking up.

At fanfest Hilmar said ‘No more manifest destiny, the capsuleers will shape New Eden’. So with Jamyl being gone that’s an indication he’s true to his word.

It’s fair to say you’re into role playing – do you have any RP experience outside of Eve?

Before most of the people who play Eve were born! In the mid 70s I played Dungeons and Dragons and Traveller – Traveller was a space D&D.

In the 80s here at JPL there were a few people who played D&D.

It’s a different environment playing it online with forty thousand people. than it is with four people over a table top!

But so far it scales. We did run into an incident where a player tried to troll, a roleplay violation occurred – but my enemies in game rose to Max’s protection. It was sportsmanship, the role players adhered by the rules.

When I was in nullsec I always heard people dissing on role players. I was like ‘You’re an idiot, you’re playing a role in Eve Online.’ All Eve players are role playing, they just don’t often know at what level.

Also, I don’t know if you agree with this, but I get the sense that this sort of hostility toward role players is changing and I don’t know if it’s due to you getting into what was once a very linear storyline which has now become far more interactive…

I get a lot of people crediting me for that. I get a lot of letters, even the enemies of Max. I’ve had people re-subscribe. I’ve have had people get their parents involved because I’m old.

At what stage did The Mittani get involved?

Actually a couple of months before fanfest. I was in game and some asked if I’d watched the metashow, because on the meta show The Mittani just said Max Singularity is the Pope of New Eden.

So when I was at fanfest a senior diplo of Goonswarm saw me at the charity dinner and brought The Mittani to me. He kissed my ring and people took the photograph. People said it was the most shocking photo from fanfest – The Mittani bending his knee for anyone in game.

During that night we sat down and he told me all his plans for Providence and how it would be. We set up four corps and created our alliance – we really aren’t puppets. People say I’m playing as puppets of the Imperium and of Mittani, but it’s actually quite the opposite.

So how involved have you been in the rebranding of the Goons into the Imperium?

The renaming was inspired but not caused by me. The first act in their announcement was to declare never ending loyalty to Max. So it wasn’t anything I said or did, but they looked at themselves as the CFC and they were no longer the same organisation. Because they have actually become better citizens. This I have done.

Cardinal Hilmar – I call him Cardinal – has made his declaration [no more manifest destiny] and the CFC have changed their ethos – I have called it the Age of Redemption and I have given The Mittani the title The Sword of Redemption.

When he kissed my ring and he stood up I asked him if he wanted a title to go with that honour. You should have seen his face, he was like a seven year old. To see this hardcore troll, dick, all of a sudden say ‘I get a title?!’ Literally he was in his own world for about thirty seconds.

Soon after they renamed themselves to the Imperium and they said I am the true emperor and they do have the force project and they are a powerful entity in Eve. They are a force to be reckoned with.

Your character has been addressed directly by Empress Jamyl in CCP in-game events and given her recent death is opening up the possibilities for more player driven story content – how closely have you been in communication with CCP regarding the developing narrative and your place in it?

They watch everything I’m doing. They don’t tell me crap what their doing. They think out what we’re doing and they respond to it.  So they’re playing in a way. I don’t get no special intel.

Would you welcome any closer ties to CCP?

I would. I would like to craft a story with them.  It would be kind of a new level. They do have some players that are volunteers – ISDs. But I think from a commercial product it would be beneficial to have a close working relationship – like a CSM roleplaying board.

What would you like to see happen with The Amarr situation over the next few weeks and months? What would Max like to see happen?

Max was pursuing Jamyl as a criminal because he was not fooled by her second coming. Now that she’s dead dead then Max is seeking to strengthen the Empire and clean the Jamylite taint out – this is why we are persecuting Providence. They were hardcore Jamylites and we want to kill their commercial infrastructure – not kill them – we told them stay in your stations while we dismantle your profit because we don’t want them affecting the new heir. So this is the Pope cleansing the house.

To that end I have announced I am fighting for House Kador in the upcoming trials.

Fozziesov is the bone of contention currently – what’s your opinion the impact it’s had on the game?

I think it’s great. We’re gonna see how this patch works. The problem with the old sov system was there was a small community that like the status quo, they had their power base. But it was dying, it was become stale and too laborious. I saw Cry Havoc quit long ago, these guys had pretty much won Eve, they all had Titans. This was boring.

The company (CCP) thought long and hard about this, this was years in the making. There’s more coming. Max is the prophet of the storm, he keeps talking about how the storm is coming. As a knowledge manager I listen; there is four way war coming. They’re gonna open up stargates that we can explore.

CCP sees what others like Star Citizen and others are doing, and this Drifter AI is a test – we’re gonna see the space lanes full of battle as we’re flying through Highsec . You can opt in and fight. This is the beginning of the storm and Max is the prophet of the storm.

Let’s imagine you’re in charge of Eve at CCP, is there anything you’d change or introduce?

There are metrics that show carebears provide most of the income for Eve, and I would provide a few more tools for them to role play. Example: there slaves as in game item and free slaves as an in game item – how cool would it be to take slaves to a Minmatar station and make them free slaves? You have a mission – my job is to free the slaves. You could take tourists and make them slaves in Amarr.

It’s simple, how far a few small role player mechanics go to change the landscape of Eve.

Finally – what advice would you offer to all players, new and vets, to get the most out of Eve?

Lose ships. Learn to die. We’re immortal.



  • Daito Endashi

    Very nice and interesting articel, thank you for that! 🙂

  • Carlos

    gj, i enjoyed it

  • ICEMAN!!!!

    Excellent interview. As a newb it was very informative. I personally like this kind of roleplay. Maybe, the space pope could have a word with the goons about changing their policy on ganking in High Sec. I get going after bots….. but the actives too.

  • James

    If any goon gets a lore role through the “merits” of the coalition gathering a lot of warm bodies, I am quitting EVE. Not Dominion sov, not Aegis sov, not Incarna, fucking nothing drove me away. But that would.

    • Stuff? I can haz?

    • Matterall

      Seriously, I kind of agree. There’s a contract between CCP and the players that we can immerse ourselves in this game, but I don’t have a contract with other players. It would be like a theatrical movie allowing the audience to enter the film and alter it. It would break the contract. If you think about how mad a viewer gets when the movie breaks immersion with stupid lines, or fake looking affects… it is not a small thing.

      In the meta, players can and do make themselves known for various things and that’s ok, because it can all be ignored, but not if it gets into the backstory in any significant way.

      On the other hand, CCP is approaching this with a lot of caution and careful consideration. It is important to reward players of all types, and the level of commitment and attention to detail some players exhibit is amazing. Tells me others like this game as much as I do.

      It’s just that no one wants to see it used for personal gain – through RMT, through news sites, through leveraging of any sort. It’s hard enough to compete in EVE, much less outside of it.

  • whocares

    Who gives a rip what this guy thinks, he doesn’t pay my sub. All he does is hide behind 1000s of pilots and pretends his opinion matters. His thoughts on Provi are delusional at best. i-hubs? No one in Provi gives a rip about i-hubs, that’s something a goon would worry about. One of the single biggest problem in this game is and alliance like the goons. This invasion is meaningless, a pilot that hasn’t logged in a month will never no goons were even their, other then the green all over the killboards. Just my 2 sense, be a part of the solution not the main problem mr. who cares what your name is.

    • Yeah… the slob… I bet he even spills beer when he is drunk and THAT is a heinous crime! Oh wait (burp)… ya talkin boutz me huh.

  • Gremoxx

    your kidding right ?

  • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

    “During that night we sat down and he told me all his plans for Providence and how it would be.”

    And you followed it to the letter. Hence, a puppet 🙂

    • lol

      You are such a tool…Mittens asked him to join…Mittens kissed the ring….Max never asked for that. He was recruted by Mittens himself not the other way around. Just because Max goes along with the plan does not make him a puppet, dingus

    • Muuuhahaha… As I said, I saw for myself the CVA “Help is not coming” doctrine and how they treat their ‘residents’ of Providence. Corruption! Collusion! Jamylite heresy. When he told me of the plan I was endorsed it fully… let there be redemption!!! Puppet… Puppet Master… means NOTHING in a collaborative environment… Providence is Burning.

      • ProviDude

        “”Help is not coming””

        I don’t really understand this. Provi teams up together almost every day to help each other. This week has proven that we come together even more when under pressure.

        In the 2 years I’ve been here, whenever someone else has taken a system, we all fleet up and get it back. People who don’t even know you stay up until the wee hours of the night to FC, provide Titan bridges, haul ships in for you, etc.

        I respect you, think your RP is cool, but I really don’t understand how you can have lived in Provi for any length of time and think that we don’t help each other.

        • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

          That’s because, while he lived in Providence, he didn’t help anyone.

  • Charlie Brown

    excellent article, and wonderful for the background of the capsuleer corps

  • theseconddavid

    I said nearly a year and a half ago that the way forward for hero and provi was to unite, but provi cared more for their rules of engagement than they did for survival.

    • lol

      … and now Hero is Zero and Provi is burning

      • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

        Provi isn’t burning, we’re just renovating and have accepted CFC to take down old and decrepit buildings as to provide their pilots with a sense of achievment and fame, otherwise we’d be facing the fall of CFC right now.

        So Provi was acting the better man and offered to give in so CFC could have some fun.

  • Spacepilot

    Provi is so weighted down with old school ideas and even older European men running it. They’re like stubborn old geezers. They are even actually still dumb enough to hold on to NRDS which the bulk of the membership despises. Providence needs to be scattered.

    • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

      Speaking from experience?

    • NRDSticktogether

      NRDS forever!!!!! Screw you …if you don’t like it, leave Provi!!!

    • Gremoxx

      Those very ideas have kept ppl coming to Provi for PvP for the last 10 years. And in the age of the “Blue Dough-naught” brought to you by Imperium, Provi is the only place you can go for PvP. so. .. meh.

    • Daito Endashi

      You don’t have to be there if you don’t like it. I at least see Provi as a very cool location, you can get there whenever you want and use that space, markets are stocked, there are many people to PvP/Chat/Mine/whatever with, outposts everywhere, easy accessabilty etc. It is a nice starting ground for beginners and I have very positive memory of my time in Providence. A huge part of that comes from NRDS.

  • Who the hell is this Charles White guy and why does he always to pretend to speak for me!!! (The meds are not fully kicked in… sorry.)

    • Parrforthecourse

      What a rotton SOB he is!!! Seriously though, if you’ve ever seen Fight Club … wait, you live in space, sorry. Have you ever heard of paranoid schizophrenia? This guy Charles White is your alter ego. In other words, he thinks he is you part of the time. Be assured you are the Pope of New Eden!! No worries, I work for a pharmaceutical company and we make stuff for that!!!

  • nullbear

    This guy sounds great. I wonder if he has kids and how they deal with sutff like the Burning Man

  • AmarrVictor

    It bends and kisses the ring!

    Problem is the one bending is kissing the wrong ring…

  • Boom Boom Bartholomew

    I think Charles is great. His roleplay doesn’t come across as “weird” like some in the game do. I mean there are some really weird role players. But Max is light hearted about it. At least I get that feeling.

  • DaReaper

    if i catch you at eve vegas or fan fest 16 i am so going to have to shake your hand. you are awesome, keep it up=D

    • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

      If I see him, I’ll give him a walking stick and a blanket, as befitting respect for the elderly.

  • DarwinwasWrong

    This is wrong on so many levels. Especially other men kissing his hand. Disgusting.

    • Alison King

      Ya reeeks of pedo

  • Provi guy


  • This is one of the many reasons I love Eve. People can do stuff like this and it is ok. Role playing is actually a lot of fun.

  • Tristan

    Lol everyone think they won eve.. cry havoc won eve!??!?!?! bwahahahahahahahahah :DDDDDD

  • This was way too interesting to read than I had expected!

  • Candyman

    Credit where credit is due. That was a great article. Now then. Do it repeatedly.

  • guest

    Another ex Provident… Too bad he doesn’t realise that Providence/NRDS is the only thing that kept so many players ingame so far.

    He is not space pope, he is another old fart.

  • Frans Bovens

    Hail provistan, ihubs up, systems saved, fleets up and comtrolling nrds space, cu tommrow

    • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

      Drink, feast, be merry. For tomorrow, we dine in Deklein.

  • Truth

    Playing Eve 6 yrs and counting… who?

  • To quote George Carlin “I have as much authority as the pope. I just don’t have as many people who believe it”

  • Truth??

    Wow… You are a disgusting, disturbing, insensitive piece of shit. Please go play in rush hour traffic, you waste of oxygen.

    • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

      Dude, it’s his opinionated troll post. Why must you give in to the poke in the exact manner that the troll wants?


      • Letalis Metalis Omier

        People don’t know common sense these days XD

  • Andreas Bade

    Replace Jamyl Sarum with a Clown you must.

  • Andreas Bade

    And please place bounty on igchar Maximilian Singularity VI. So we can welcome him as he deserves should he ever venture on our empresses blessed amarrian spacelanes.

  • Faber

    You are only an imperialist, I hope that all free men come together in defense of Providence.

  • Irya

    don’t know what happened to Evenews but articles these days … are so fine
    don’t know who is responsible for that new level of quality but i would like to just say

    Thank you sir or(mdam)

  • Tora Bushido

    Nice interview. Pay attention to the “Drifter AI is a test – we’re gonna see the space lanes full of battle as we’re flying through Highsec . You can opt in and fight.” info. It will be a thing soon…

  • Frans Bovens

    So how did the not undock, burn provi, kill ihubs work out these week? Providence is seen dominating both the regions, fights as well capturing the bulk of the node fights on both ihub and station. Provistan showed again theit true spirit, our mountains, our homes, never bend the knee, fuck false emperors

    • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

      Err.. how come out of 2000 people in Volt, you can only field a fleet of about 100?

      • Frans Bovens

        euhm thats not bad, 5 % in main fleet with 40k imeprium that would mean 2k from their side, havent seen those. and alos we have multiple fleets up. hadly any ihubs are destroyed, most systems and stations are saved, red stuff is beign reffed/entosised, posses die and in the face of tyranni we keep fleetign and fighting like true provistani’s , i am extremley proud

        • Sylphinja the Dark Rose

          What about smaller alliances and forgotten CVA systems?

  • Jack Morrison

    this was below sh*t-tier – hope karma finds you

    • Letalis Metalis Omier

      Wow, so expressing his primordial feelings (which every human inherits) with a well known organization (with a bad reputation) and satire results in nasty no better remarks? Ever think about your decisions how they can result in death as well? You know those very important computer chips/electronics being manufactured has previously resulted in the suicide of several employee’s due to bad environments (go global economies!). If us buying these products is not “being human scum or trash” then others like Mao Zedong must be angels.

      Why only get mad at ISIS? Why don’t we lash out at other groups and organizations that have shown behavior that result in tragic results? Wait right I ONLY EAT WHAT FOX NEWS FEEDS ME. Go media and nationalism. nom nom nom

      • Jack Morrison

        Apples and sidewinder missiles. Computer games and reality.

  • Alison King

    1 true Emperor Corebloodbrothers, Amarr Victor

  • Anon

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