6th April 2015 / New Eden

In the wake of their recent success in Catch, Pandemic Legion have announced their intention to create their own new-player friendly alliance known as “Pandemic Horde“. In a reddit post this weekend Gobbins, an experienced Pandemic Legion FC outlined his plans for Pandemic Horde and how it will tie into the new player experience, eve politics and Pandemic Legion’s modus operandi in general.

ЅIMPLE STRUCTURE: The CEO chooses a team of dіrectors to which he delegates tasks, these people make the decisions. The rest of the alliance is all on the same level. There is no middle management and no #mildirs.

FC FOCUЅED: The FCs bring the content аnd the cоntent brings the newbeans. Anyone is free to step up and FC as long as people are willing to join their gangs. FCs are free to experiment with doctrines and choice of targets. It is up to the members to decide which fleets are worth their time.

NEWBEAN FRIENDLY: We admire the Brave dojo program and wish to run the same thing in Horde. For this purpose we wish to combine the expertise of ex BNI FCs and also guest classes by members of PL and Waffles. Free skillbook program will also be available for the new players.

PARTNERSHIP: The Pandemic Horde is partnered with Pandemic Legion in a similar way WAFFLES is. It shares blu standings and sometimes supports PL fights but is otherwise independent. The Horde does not pay rent to PL‚ and makes the protection of it assets its own responsibility. The partnership with PL also allows new players to be on the right side of a massive fleet of supers, which might help with escalations.

HOME: Pandemic Horde will be basing in catch with HQ in HED-GP. This should provide a good place of operation for both getting fights, and allowing the new player to make some isk. The horde will not follow pandemic legion around the map but instead use a deployment system we called the “Ѕovіet Draft”

ЅOVIET DRAFT DEPLOYMENTS: Whenever horde pilots аre emplоyed to support PL’s fights‚ the pilots will only be asked to move their pods to the formup by the time the op beings. The logistiсs team wіll provide fitted ships at the destination to be handed out in the gang. The pilot only has to worry about moving its own сlone. Pаrticipatiоn to join fights is actually voluntary (unlike the actual draft).

ADOPT A NEWBEAN: A venue that allows newbeans to ask for financial support and/or mentoring by older players that feel generous. Both PL and Waffle pilots can volunteer to help out the newbean with advice on good flying and good posting.

Pandemic Legion certainly seem serious about this endeavor, delegating a host of FC’s and well known personalities from both Pandemic Legion and formerly of Brave Collective to spearhead it’s creation. Elise Randolph had the following to say regarding his role in the alliance:

I’ll be helping out as will JEFFRAIDER, but the real pillars are: Travis, Lament, Cyberking, Sting, Brood, and Gobbins. All these guys were inspired by you to help new players get sucked into the game with us.

Some believe the campaign in Catch against Brave Collective, and the high degree of skillpoints and experience required to join Pandemic Legion suggests that PL are less than receptive to new player groups. Earlier today I was able to speak with Gobbins who had the following to say regarding cooperation with new players, and to clear up any misconceptions regarding Pandemic Legion’s attitudes towards newer players.

Gobbins > PL has always cooperated with younger groups
Gobbins > way back in the day it was goons
Gobbins > more recently TEST
Gobbins > the combination of swarms of enthusiastic newer players and the backup and organization of the experienced bittervets has always been a great match

It’s worth noting Pandemic Legion’s past involvement in the HBC or “Honeybadger Coalition” which consisted of PL and TEST during a campaign in delve. The marrying of experience and new player enthusiasm doesn’t seem to be a new concept but with the creation of Pandemic Horde it may be the first time it has be formalized in such a way.

Phantra > Was the decision to form this alliance based on the success of groups like BNI, their current failures, or both? Do you think there’s any lessons to be learned that can be used by Pandemic Horde in light of the problems there at the moment?
Gobbins > yes you are correct in that it is both
Gobbins > BNI showed us the power of weaponized newbros
Gobbins > the laziest solution for us was a partnership but lychton shot that down
Gobbins > so we decided to make our own instead
Phantra > in what way did he shut that down? simply refusing to cooperate? or was there more to that
Gobbins > it seemed that this partnership was going to happen and then he suddenly went no contact and the next day announced relocating to delve

Pandemic Legion expects that this project will add a large wing of cheaper support ships to its doctrines; 150-200 man (ewar) frig/cruiser wings like they have seen BNI do.

Gobbins: That is it. This is not a renter agreement‚ our goal is not to milk this alliancе for isk.
This is PL’s motivation for providing its support.

The new Alliance have been seen setting up camp in the newly conquered HED-GP station working alongside Pandemic Legion with a rapidly growing membership base.

Certainly an interesting one to keep an eye on. More information about joining Pandemic Horde can be found ingame channel “Join HORDE”. They also have a subreddit here: http://www.reddit.com/r/pandemichorde/

  • Anhenka

    Let the poaching begin!

    • 2LiveCrew

      S AND MMMMMMM. Bring on your @ick sucking friends. S and MMMMMMMM Let the party begin!!!!!!

  • AFK

    Fuck the newbies but act like a charmer and do some charity work to balance it all out. Elise Randolph is literally Jimmy Saville of EVE.

    • BoBo McJoboMo

      Yeah, uh…no. Not even close.

  • VT

    lol really all about fozziesov not helping anyone but PL

    • AFK

      Ah yea, hard to take down those 10 nodes with a handful of bitters who only log in once a month.

  • Dickroll Its On

    Ok haters of PL. Time to give them the fucking branding iron. Burn Catch 2015 should be on right the hell now. They were pussies fighting Brave without sov time that they have it is the time to take it away.

    • AFK

      Nah, playing the game on easy mode is boring. Well, for most normal people.

    • Yeah Communisim #sarc fails


      Yeah once there they will shoot you in the fucking back. Congrats comrades.

      • Jarhead

        every second man gets a rifle. the man with the rifle shoots. the one without follows him. when the one with the rifle gets killed the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots.


  • Seraph IX Basarab

    PL’s obviously found a new way to fuel their super fleet by stuffing the mutilated corpses of newbies in their gas tanks.

    Join HORDE. today!

  • guest

    wolf in sheep’s clothing…

  • Dying Bravely

    So in other words PL has created a cancer for newbies, seems about right also.

    Also what happens to all these little horde newbies when dady PL leaves and -A- kicks their shit in, cause unless they pick up a few thousand braves they can’t even fend off -A-.

    • Michael Oskold

      -A- is shit though B)

      • Dying Bravely

        The Horde is shitter

    • Cloora

      Are you kidding? If -A- decided to fight the HORDE we would be there in a hot second (plus fatty gay). That would be so fun!

      • teamnodaughters

        Dude after fozzie sov (if it works as advertised) -A- will smash smaller groups, and titans/supers become a non-issue unless you stand and fight them

        PL horde is the plan B to Brave saying “Hell no” to being pets, if they weren’t busy chasing easy kills in Catch they would have prepared for this the day fozzie sov was announced, instead they honestly believed Brave would agree to be meat shields, lol

        • Thatguy

          you mean easy losses

  • Candyman

    Awesome… the “OXFAM Foster Parent Plan” has finally come to EVE. Looking forward to the propaganda videos of all those destitute capsuleers gazing pathetically into the camera. Brings a tear, so it does.

  • Ming Tso

    Real niggas join Waffles.. Jussayin
    They the “elite PvP wing of PL”

    • Cloora

      Confirming they are better at PvP than we are.

  • noonereally

    PL you realize the people that leave brave to join you are exactly the ones you don’t want.

  • Bam Stroker

    Eve has improved so much in the last year or two that the bittervet conversion rate is sharply in decline. Your typical new Eve player is too optimistic and good-natured these days, meaning PL are having trouble recruiting like-minded people to join their ranks.

    Pandemic Horde will solve that by exposing new players to relentless shitposting, toxic misanthropy and wanton abuse from an early age, thus making them into prime candidates to feed into Waffles and ultimately PL corporations.

    • Musashibou Benkei

      I admire your optimism, Bam.
      If you give me a speaker spot again at this year’s EDU, I promise to once again make it an “interesting” topic 🙂

    • Kinraka

      love you Bam

  • flaksim

    Got me wondering, how much SP do people need nowadays to get in PL?

    • gg

      Well, there isn’t a set SP number that you need to have. There’s two set rules: you should be reasonably good at the game and be self – sufficient ,which normally means that you should have a slowcat with JDC5 for moving your stuff around. And of course you need a referral from a PL member or friend of the corp/alliance. I’d say those are not

    • AFK

      Their recruitment forums are public so you can go and see doer yourself the sort of umm “talent” they recruit nowdays.

  • Dick Hauser

    Entosis link meta driven evolution… Its easier to blackmail sov owners when you can unleash a swarm of grief on them.

  • Tim0501

    Well as a member of BNI who was left behind in HED because noone was able to explain me all the stuff going on ( people talk a lot of shit in comms ) this looks interesting..

    • Vladimir

      Then you should log in more then once/6 months.
      Plenty of info going where. But ok, I get it, you have to spill anti Brave propaganda to those poor newbs that probably kicked your alliance somewhere in the past. 😉

      • Tim0501

        im playing since one month and iam active every day i have no idea what you are talking about ?

        • Dude ask someone hahaha

          Tim you didn’t make the cut. Now leave the island, your fired, you are the weakest link, yada ….. yada……… yada …….. 😛

          • Tim0501

            joined pl np 😀

          • Your Funny

            Another great mental move by Timmy. It was kind of obvious in your first post you were buying that bullshit! Way to have your friends backs!
            Please do follow up and let us know how your experience has been in say 6 months.
            or a few weeks 😛

        • Your funny

          Seriously dude! How can all the alliances in Eve know and you didn’t? You obviously were not engaged in your corp/alliance/coalition. The blame falls on your shoulders.

    • Thatguy

      just sell all your junk and leave, if you can’t fly it out safely.

    • Poor lil fella – get bent

      You should log in , and read the forums, and be a good alliance mate. Maybe get on coms.
      But it’s probably not worth the effort right? Well now you know it is! If you are going to be a part of a community. You should try to be engaged in it instead.
      The failing is yours and you should own it.Instead of crying about it and finding the path of least resistance. But by your own statement, YOU are not who they should have in Brave.
      Thank you for weeding yourself out, you do a great service to your corp/alliance/coalition.
      Now they don’t have to find you and kick you.

  • lol

    so after years of spying/killing off small/new alliances across eve online, suddenly PL says its kind and friendly… LOL, lets see how long till the corp theifs and trollers return can keep their mouths shut

  • hmm

    lol what a sad way to try steal and disband brave. how low can PL get. really are the saddest most pathetic players in eve. god I hope brave newbies don’t defect because they will see the worse party of the game and attitudes.

    • brian harvey

      nope that’s goons or Easily excited or Psychotic Tendencies.

      • Pathetic Legion love u

        brian harvey A.K.A. Patty Hearst 😛

  • Tricky

    Its just me or i think PL recruit slaves for the incoming patch,? :Dgriefers)))

  • :O

    PL gets its own fuck you fleet.

  • Digby

    That is the most pathetic statement I have read in a long time

  • abc123

    hahahhahhha- THE LOW LIFE’S OF EVE STRIKE AGAIN!!!!!
    So PL Meta games Brave and HERO and makes them fail cascade. Now the biggest lieing – cheating – stealing – awox’ing shitbags in the game now have there arms out to welcome the idoits of the world with fools gold.
    These PL shitbags are starting to make Mittani’s shenanigans look like child’s play.

    • Thatguy

      You insult a few thousand players based on nothing and they are the shitbags & idiots?

      • kinwhakklkin

        How is it based on nothing ? Is it your first day in eve ?

        • Thatguy

          I too, generalize on people I don’t know based on the few I do.

      • Turd Burd

        Well, Pl does have a long history of throwing allies to the dogs.

  • unary

    So the people always complaining about the CFC Blob is creating one of their own. Nice! Yes the “nice” is sarcastic just in case PL guys don’t get it. And before I forget…. FU*# Goons!!

    • Ryu

      i see you are grr PL and i also assume you are in CFC, if you hate us so much, ask your dear leadership (and i mean leadership not some fucking retarded ceo of scrubville314351) what they think of PL.

      • unary

        As I post here on a regular basis you should know that I have no time for either of the 3 power blocs in null. I actually hate goons more than any of them. Maybe check your facts before making statements. Just saying.

        • Ryu

          maybe i dont have to go through background checks for everybody im replying?

    • rofl

      i heard most of the people complaining about the CFC blob are the pilots in the CFC? Who else gives a shit? Fun per hour.

  • Barkaway

    Is this old news, it wasnt announced on the first?, just wondering

  • Gremoxx

    PL is mainly what was -A- sometime back, so I was not really surprised about what has been going on in Catch and why PL where not able to let BRAVE live in Catch. Also PL are all based in Stain or Curse – old habits die hard.

    Im not convinced that PL (-A-) can pull this one off, there trademark is not been friendliness towards newbies, yes they know how to run rental empire….

    • jeez

      wtf are you smoking Sir?

      • hmm

        comparing PL to -A- is just…. stupid

        • PLAAA

          Well lately it’s Makalu, PK and Busa carrying PL. So its same people as A was 3 years a go. I don’t find it far fetched at all.

    • Ryu

      already at 250 pilots but yeah, noone will trust PL cause you know, PL is bad in this game and you cant learn anything from them, right?

      • Gremoxx

        PL is very good at what it does. But PL is not know to be very newbie friendly, nor has PL been know for building from the ground up. They are know for attracting “the right kind of people” to join PL, people who have FC skills or have Capitals.

        And about “Trust”, those who PL have taken contract from regard PL as very trust worthy. For the rest of us, we can “Trust” that PL will come when they have finished there contract and try force timers or fights.

        Behaviour, PL used to go for there R&R back up north, or to Delve, or even Fountain core. But since -A- corps joined, they have stayed in the south. Hunting areas they know best.

    • Legion looks better in Black

      This man speaks the truth, BUSA, MVN and BOPE as well as most of the “talent” from the other late 2012 corps are all now in PL.

  • Eugene Kerner

    Yeah we smartbombed one yesterday…I was wondering what that “Pandemic Horde” was…

  • Deadspace Hoarding Dragon

    Those pl noobs are so bad they jump all their shit through the Kerberz gate and die in a fire to provi/other entities gatecamps. looting their wrecks in bombers while there are lots of reds sitting next to the wrecks, lol they even lost a blackops like that, idiots. Worse then brave I can confirm. Brave was way better. http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=1162

  • ok

    PL want noobs to dick around with Fozziesov. Nobody else will be arsed with it after a few, tedious weeks.

  • RA dude

    ‘Pandemic Whorde’ would probably be more accurate name. Especially considering how “PL has always cooperated with younger groups // more recently TEST” ended.

  • Sold

    Do not trust PL. Ever.

  • Provi Miner

    Oh great another swarm of T1 Ewar, “honey load up the smart bombs again” 🙂 good to see this brave was fun we expect these folks to be fun as well

  • lol

    i hope someone instant wardecks those cunts

    • Michael Majere

      yes… wardeck Null alliances… or PL based ones that dont really rely on Hi-sec… 😛 I personally laugh at every wardec I receive since I dont touch hi-sec at all nor does my corp.

    • Barkaway

      yeah doesnt mean shit, if you are in a null sec alliance you have an alt in low sec waiting so all you have to do is get your stuff to low and then the alt, which is not in the corp/alliance jumps it to high, problem solved..

  • eek

    So the new so mechanics looks like a total mess already, as usual players find a way to get round it and cause even more problems that it is now. Can you imagine a group of 100 pilots just roaming around with links constantly, its going to be a nightmare, just constant briefing. Add these to goons and Brave and whoever else. Holy clusterfuck

  • Free Ukraine

    TL;DR … PL are looking at the death of their supers as a force and suddenly realise that by fucking BRAVE they have lost the best chance of a meat shield for their “prop” pvpers when they finally have to get out of their space coffins.

    • Dr. Kevorkian

      I’m curious, do you get laid >= 1x per year? You seem pretty angry always, you shouldn’t hold it in.

      • nope

        I believe < is the < you were looking for

      • Free Ukraine

        Kleenex called, they could not fill your order this month.

    • Ratsnackbar

      Yep, I was thinking the same thing.

      But now that Brave is free of Catch and with the new SOV system the tears they can harvest with that many line members could fill an ocean.

      If you ask me Brave is in a much better place. They just have to realize it.

      • tyyrathos


  • Speedy

    So PL are going to make their own newbie organisation to farm at leisure.

    • bla

      Maybe they will warp newbro’s to a tower again to blap them who knows.

  • gg

    The ‘Soviet draft’ will work as follows. For every 2 fleet members one will get a ship with guns and the other without guns. When the first one dies the second one takes the guns from the wreck of the first one and shoots with them.

    • Mikey

      Thank you for beating me to this.

  • ,,

    insidious empire 2.0?

  • Senex Legio 1

    To summarize, PL takes the BNI staging system where likely lots of BNI guys are still stationed/have assets. PL starts up BNI concept and locates it right where by BNI guys are located. Classy.

    • uhm sure


      • Played

        least they can get there assets out then?

    • Dick Hauser

      “Under new management”.

  • artuitus

    The only thing more dangerous than being PL’s enemy is being PL’s ‘friend’….

  • ZoA

    Exactly what a new player needs, a shitlord PL elitists like Grath & Co telling them how they are crap. Here is my prediction, this program will fail because of neglect and abuse newbs will be receiving form PL, with only spies staying in alliance as active members. Rest will move on or quit the game entirely.

    • Ryu

      thx for the input, how about asking some people from horde how they are being treated

      • uknowwho

        Lol…I think we should wait til the honeymoon is over…..

  • Noisrevbus

    It is an interesting move on the backdrop of Fozziesov.

    We shouldn’t overanalyze anything at this stage of either PL’s project or the changes to the game, but on a surface level, with the sov changes and the expected Supercapital changes, this suggests a heightened initial value attributed to larger support fleets, rather than the opposite.

    In turn that suggests that CCP looks to push through those ship-changes with the sov change, or based on the ambition of the sov change, rather than the ongoing ship rebalances and a halt to get fresh perspectives on that ideal, so there is no conflict of interests.

    It would also suggest that PL interpretes the post-patch environment similar to the CFC, provided this is done with any some-term consideration and is not just a question of opportunitity or passtime.

    I’m trying to put it in as neutral terms as I can, am I implying/inferring too much? 🙂

  • jim

    There only doing this because none wants to join pm they lost big wars before and will Avon you ain’t special

  • Truth

    So now that rental carebear ISK is about to vanish they are hopping on the new flavor-of-the-month mechanic of newb taxing. First Goons immitate BRAVE and now PL…

    I’m starting to not be proud to be part of the Eve community… It was unique, now it’s just copy copy copy copy copy..

    • Ryu

      wow retard post of the day nice!

  • Truth

    Proof that Shadoo prefers little boys.

  • phox53

    can older players join PH?

    • Dick Hauser

      You mean spais? If not then there will be no horde… just a cackle or flock…

  • santa

    So that’s the real reason why you wanted Catch 😀 well played shitlords

  • waltari

    Well, considering the fact that PL is one of them entities that sort of won EVE already, due to rage, rivers of tears and hate being thrown their way on daily basis, this is actually brilliant idea. Credit goes, where credits due.

  • Bawk Bawkbagawk

    “we need to recruit players before they find out who we are”

  • PLgrunt

    Well, pathetic horde isnt much of a name, those retards should go back to wow.