3rd April 2015 / HED-GP / Catch

Whilst to most the writing was on the wall as far as the Brave Collective‘s residency in Catch was concerned; today signifies the end of Brave’s final official claim in catch.

In the early hours of today, the HED-GP station exited it’s final reinforcement timer and was captured by the overwhelming forces of Pandemic Legion with little to no resistance, opening the station to all for a docking fee.


Pandemic Legion announced their deployment to catch some months ago with the intention of harassing Brave Collective sovereignty infrastructure, generating timers in order to muster fights from the largest alliance and coalition “HERO” in New Eden. Brave had been able to pull impressive defense fleets numbering in the hundreds to defend their claim in Catch and had seen various successes in defending HED-GP and their initial staging system of GE-8JV previously. However, Pandemic Legion’s resolve for content generation turned the campaign into a war of attrition with HERO Coalition and Brave eventually throwing in the towel.

The previous morning Brave Collective had defined a “Line in the sand” and brought a healthy turnout in an attempt to defend the final infrastructure hub timer. The fleet, led by Blue Ice failed to achieve the objective leading to the first significant address from Malanek Askelus, of Brave Collective leadership. Recordings from the Pandemic Legion spy network shed some light behind the scenes.

Brave Collective initial evacuation speech by Malanek Askelus.

Blue Ice leads final HED-GP defense fleet against Pandemic Legion.

With some initial confusion as to Brave’s new deployment system, in a final statement last night from Malanek he clarified that the collective will be regrouping in Defsunun to “take the path of the mercenary” which could suggest Brave Collective are leaving behind their sovereignty ambitions for now.

With the ownership change to HED-GP station, evacuation has now become a difficult task for stragglers who were unable to move their assets over the past 48 hours, with the undock heavily camped by Pandemic Legion, Waffles. and Dirt Nap Squad. At the time of writing there have been approximately 1060 kills including multiple capitals who have been on the business end of a Pandemic Legion Doomsday as they undock to find an extortionate docking fee (in the region of 400m isk for a capital) awaits them if they wish to escape.


[ 2015.04.02 13:40:11 ] Blue Ice > i mean we came into dominion sov knowing that if any of the super blobs were to sneeze at us we wouldnt be able to stick around, i guess we got too comfortable because nothing really happened for a year and got complacent

Some parting words from Brave Collective’s Blue Ice yesterday shortly before the fall of HED-GP station.

So with this it’s the end of a few things. The end of an era for Brave Collective and HERO Coalition, the end of a campaign for Pandemic Legion and the end of Catch region’s politics as we know it. With multiple groups looking to capitalize on the vacuum of sovereign space now in the area including -A- and Russian based alliances and with eyes turning to the Delve conflict, what will happen is anyone’s guess. Pandemic Legion, who have stated no interest in holding sovereign space, may be looking to move on sooner rather than later as new third-party opportunities present themselves around New Eden.


  1. Siaka Stevens

    Didn’t want that region anyway

    But in real honesty thanks Catch for generating content for all.

    April 3, 2015 at 17:32 Reply
    1. PL=Pansies

      Pfft PL are losers. Period. Lets hit the newest alliance in the game and beat their chests. As king Julien says they are nothing but a bunch of pansies. Bring their big boy britches to CFC space. What happens when they mess with the CFC = lose a lot of Supers and run off and cry. That is the state of PL.

      April 4, 2015 at 00:11 Reply
      1. alvus parasite

        an alliance of 2000 against a coalition of 15k. With some proper planning the 15k should decimate the 2k, but they were terrible and didn’t.

        April 4, 2015 at 15:38 Reply
  2. Barkaway

    Im guessing that PL is gonna take all of catch for themselves so they have some space away from CFC^^

    April 3, 2015 at 18:11 Reply
  3. hmm

    more renter space sad realy sad, ireally wish someone would wipe PL out of the game

    April 3, 2015 at 18:34 Reply
    1. nomad bro

      No need to be upset.

      April 3, 2015 at 18:42 Reply
    2. nullbeer

      Whos gonna pay to rent catch…its like paying to rent provi…

      April 3, 2015 at 20:28 Reply
      1. Drakkenstien


        April 3, 2015 at 20:29 Reply
        1. nullbeer

          Why would the putin lovers pay a single red ruble for something they can just go take…catch = crimea

          April 3, 2015 at 22:47 Reply
  4. Michele Manfredi

    Brave director staff lost the train some months ago….blind staff ..and now they lost the war, they lost members every day, they lost coalition and sov…great fucking job!

    April 3, 2015 at 18:43 Reply
    1. teamnodaughters

      Lost the war? It was never a war with PL, it was feeding them kills…. to think this was a actual “war” that could be won shows you know nothing about null warfare.

      Brave’s membership is steady and growing despite months of PL’s BS and leaving catch

      Lets be honest Test was clinging to Brave so they didn’t totally failscade, and SS bailed when PL hit them, twice. It was less a coalition and more renters looking for free space and protection.

      April 3, 2015 at 22:50 Reply
      1. Baboom

        Brave only has 2000-3000 active members, and a few hundred already jumped ship… Test/Dreddit seems to be happy to take them in though.

        April 3, 2015 at 23:24 Reply
  5. Rarnak Ki

    This is tragic for two reasons. First, it shows how disorganized, short-sighted, and full of self doubt PL have become. Pick your enemies like you pick your lover. PL picking Brave was HUGE step down from PL’s former abilities and really makes them look weak. PL then proceeded to take it way too far, over farming their crops, and instead of building Brave up to be a formidable and therefore more challenging enemy that would be, ahem, more fun to fight, they nearly killed Brave off completely. In the process they made it personal with Brave and will likely never be able to make amends. PL have permanently tarnished their reputation with this one and received no actual gain from it.

    The second tragedy is on the part of Brave and its leadership. Brave gave up way too easily and its nearly non-existent diplomacy department failed miserably. While there is no way that Brave could match PL’s super capital force and no one can prevent the loss of morale that stems from hyping a CTA to the point of hysteria only to be blue-balled by PL, Brave still had a number of strategic advantages in Catch, number one being the sheer abundance of systems and stations they still own there. If anything Brave could have fought to delay things further so that its pilots had adequate time to evacuate assets. Instead Brave threw in the towel and almost immediately moved its main pvp force two regions away, leaving the bulk of the players to figure out how to evacuate assets in a suddenly hostile region. While many members of Brave honorably stepped up to help with courier contracts, there is just no way that the assets of thousands of players could be moved in only a few short days. Brave should have moved to Curse and defended the Eastern portion of Catch, taken back F4R and established themselves in a much more defensible position until PL gets bored and moves on. It should have used diplomacy to rally allies to its aid (like Provi-Block). Stronger leadership also would have held the coalition together. Losing Test was a massive blow and completely preventable. Brave has failed to expand its leadership so that the lose of a few key leaders has really hurt Brave’s ability to respond in a crisis. There has been a huge lack of information about Brave’s direction and mission for months. All of this was preventable and caused Brave to collapse at the slightest sign that things weren’t going well. I hope Brave can raise itself from the ashes and learn from this. It won’t just take a new leadership direction, but a whole new identity and philosophy. It is an interesting case study for other alliances as well.

    April 3, 2015 at 19:44 Reply
    1. Jaime Gomes

      If this post had more spin i bet we could fight global warming.

      April 3, 2015 at 20:04 Reply
      1. Rarnak Ki

        Except that I have been a line member sith Brave for over a year. Dismissing my statements as merely spin is in fact spin in itself. I have no agenda other than caring for what happens to Brave and having an interest in what causes alliances to succeed or fail in this game.

        April 3, 2015 at 20:11 Reply
      2. PL/BL tears

        And global cooling umm….global warming….umm i mean climate change fuck why doesn’t the weather cooperate. Its a fake as the catch war. While you guys rage for something (global warming…content) you fuck everyone else. Quit with the fakeness and become real. And I don’t mean real pricks like PL. Would CCP please give Eve players a way to fuck with mercs that hide in NPC and low sec. I mean ok go after pos’s but how about the ability to attack NPC/low sec stations and gain hangar control or put a mini hacking game so that players could hack another Eve players inventory in low sec stations. Now that would be fun. Go hide in NPC or low sec space and still be hit for content. Want some PL and BL tears. Make them man up or die off.

        April 4, 2015 at 00:06 Reply
    2. Baboom

      Brave identity and philosophy are fine as they are, but it is time for a change of leadership and strategy. If that does not happen quickly, Brave will failcade.

      April 3, 2015 at 20:04 Reply
      1. teamnodaughters

        Amazing how so many people are concerned for an alliance that isn’t theirs, lol

        April 3, 2015 at 22:44 Reply
    3. Jan Irvam

      Brave members and Brave leadership were both tired of the fight. It was a phoney fight anyway. While the morale of some has been hurt by the loss of sov, anyone with a brain can tell that we (Brave) should be having more fun than fighting phoney defensive fights against PL day after day. Fozziesov is just around the corner, and in the mean time we have better things to do than play fake war against PL on the defense.

      The character of the evac and all the ships we’ve lost may be an indicator of Brave’s lack of coordination on the one hand, but on the other, the individual work of the FCs and logisticians has showed that Brave is improving by leaps and bounds. As for how we could have done more to stick around longer, you’re missing the point that Catch was bad for morale. We actually successfully defended GE- from a full escalation situation. We proved we could. Did we want to? No. It was a dead albatross, and HED ultimately became one too as our perspectives evolved. The rest of the character of our transition can be explained by opportunistic thinking. Yeah, we started off thinking we’d improve morale by adding Aridia to our plate while holding HED-GP, but really once Aridia, Delve, and Fountain were on the table, HED-GP really just became another GE-. Brave has a code that we always undock. So we undocked in defense. Did we drop caps? No. While we were undocking in HED our hearts were saying, “BUH BYE!”

      While Brave is so huge that there are undoubtably those with crush hearts and morale, frankly the bulk of our membership just wants to have fun and have open minds about having fun wherever their leadership thinks is best. As for the leaders, my read as a line member is that excitement is high about opportunities presenting themselves. Fozziesov is coming, and more luscious regions than Catch will open up for the taking. Catch and -A- are a good fit in my estimation. Let them have it.

      I am adding this comment because, while there are no perfect leaders and new alliances and coalitions have more to learn than older ones, there seems to be a complete lack of comprehension of the dynamics of how perspectives changed from ‘let’s add some new content dimensions’ to ‘lets gear up for a new era’ during the process of our refusal to continue PL’s phoney war. You guys are completely missing the boat on this.

      April 3, 2015 at 20:18 Reply
      1. Noisrevbus

        There are those of us who understand the dynamics and consider your post well put.

        Here, have a plus from me.

        April 3, 2015 at 20:35 Reply
      2. teamnodaughters

        In the end, PL lost… they were after content and they got a ton of it, however they couldn’t control themselves and killed the goose that laid the golden eggs.

        As long as Brave is in lowsec PL will never force these types of battles again

        April 3, 2015 at 22:09 Reply
        1. gert

          PL has lost the war in the moment their super fleet was tackeld and they need to call NCdot for help against their own N3 allies to save PLs supers.

          April 4, 2015 at 00:02 Reply
          1. Ryu

            Lol if u are talking about hed gp darkness kadeshi and black legion were shooting us and nc. Cynoed in 20 supers (compared to our 80 in field) so yeah you are wrong.

            April 4, 2015 at 00:56
          2. gert

            PL lost a ragnarok and NCdot 5 supers, so yeah, you had everything under control ….

            April 4, 2015 at 19:47
          3. Ryu

            nc. lost 5 supers, in a different region some 6-7 hours before. But dont let facts hit you 🙂

            April 4, 2015 at 20:26
        2. Noisrevbus

          I think you misunderstand. You need to be mindful of that content is a commodity in EVE and the content that directly involved PL and HERO is not the only content in question here. It’s an eco-system.

          Content in EVE has always best been created between similar groups (mindsets, resources and assets). The way balance has progressed in this game over the past 8 years or so, content-creation has gone from being best created between similar groups to, almost exclusively, only be emergently created between similar groups. Any other content is “fake” or negotiated.

          BNI and Dreddit as groups, when they joined EVE, had some 10.000 players. There is only one other group in EVE that has that: Goonfleet. When you form a coalition of some 20.000 players, like HERO, you will also realize that there are only two other coalitions of that size in the entire game: N3 at around 20.000 players and the CFC nearing 40.000 players. There is a disparity in numbers of roughly 1:2 there and a balance of power only upheld by the power of Supercapitals and the inability of Margin- and Super- exploitiong groups to create content. The mexican standoff of apexes.

          Most other groups are considerably smaller, and while BNI as an alliance want fun-per-hour and fun content like everyone else, you are so much larger that hardly anyone else can give you enough content to sustain you or will give you any content due to the obvious balance issues. That’s likely why you moved toward Catch and formed HERO in the first place: as the first friendly welcome wore off, where everyone gave you content without reciprocation, you were not getting the content or fun you had come to learn or expect.

          Now, looking at the political landscape N3’s eyes will obviously turn to HERO as your groups are, not only the most similar to the CFC and thus best suited to create content with them, but also capable of turning that 1:2 political vaccuum into a 1:1 position where the two blocks can start creating content between oneanother. Even if that is not what you would like, and quite understandably may want to avoid (because it’s boring grindfests), that is what the game at large gravitates towards in terms of it’s balance and expectations from the playerbase. PL takes that upon themselves to steer.

          That’s why their pick of BNI and HERO (same as TEST and HBC in the past) is pretty obvious. It is a multifacetted scenario where they prepare you for the inevitable content you will get due to your choice of organisation, while nicely providing you with in-emergent content as you learn. In turn they get the same in-emergent content and will not be forced to carry the burden of the mexican standoff that the game’s imbalances have created. Over time this has had the added benefit that PL get to elicit some tears while BNI get to claim some pretty exciting scalps. Things that are not given, but come as unexpected perks for the players involved. Fozziesov has the potential to rectify some of these imbalances, which is why the mutual benefit is gone and with it the dynamics between BNI and PL. What Jan said about BNI goes for PL too.

          Now, you may believe that the Provibloc with their nigh 15.000 players are a good fit for you (BNI alone also has 15.000 players). While that is true on a surface level we need to go back and look at organisation and similarities again. BNI, much like Goonfleet, has a political- and goal driven organisation. It is setup to play to win. It is also setup to play to win on the same premise, by leveraging numbers through marginal cost-effect play. The Provibloc is something entirely different. While they can be effective at times, they are not organised to be effective all of the time. Instead they are an open industrialist and roleplaying collective that provide alot of other forms of content that BNI does not do. They are playing by old-EVE standards of content rather than present-day standards of efficiency. They fly things that are appealing for individual players to fly and shoot at, rather than only flying things that are effective in combat and cost.

          That also means that the Provibloc is a content provider for a whole host of other player-groups. From small roaming pirates to larger groups, like PL, when they are on vacation (or between deployment). If BNI presumes to tie the Provibloc down in a 15k-15k war for fun content, they are also stealing content from alot of other playergroups and those playergroups will react by doing things such as pushing you toward sovplay or third-party your content. It is actually more than likely that by instigating content at the 15k scale with Provi you may have taken content from PL alts in small pirate groups that are forced to turn to their PL mains in order to get their content back. They probably care more about the casual roaming content in Provi, that you are unintendedly killing, than they do about the content they can elicit from you; as that content is better than the content you provide with your content-denying organisation. In order to get fun you need to be more fun, not content-hogs.

          That’s also the difference between you and Goonfleet, because you honestly believe you are fun while they purposely take a no-fun approach to micro-content in order to obtain fun macro-content; which is fine as long as you don’t mix up in-game and meta-game, and it puts the entire game in a stalemate ;).

          April 4, 2015 at 01:13 Reply
          1. Kamar Raimo

            Pretty deep dude.

            Seriously good post but I think you may not quite get BNI. Maybe I am wrong too. Time will tell but I think history is not quite as repetitive as you imply it to be.

            April 4, 2015 at 01:21
          2. MindRanger

            A fairly good assessment, maybe it lacks about a PhD worth of elaboration, but definitely the best start of one I’ve seen in a while 😉

            April 4, 2015 at 02:09
      3. Kamar Raimo

        You sure will have a story to tell, or -as in your case – you already have one.

        April 4, 2015 at 01:16 Reply
  6. Drakkenstien

    Brave’s existence as a sov-holding entity were highly dependent on the other powers not actually caring about us keeping it. Nobody other than -A- wanted Catch, and by all but inviting people to come into our space to play, we’d opened up a whole region basically as a free for all. We hoped to keep it, but this was always a possibility, and really, a probability.

    So long, Catch, and thanks for all the fish.

    April 3, 2015 at 20:28 Reply
    1. Titus

      My corp loved getting wh’s to Catch because Brave always put up a fight. Please don’t go the route BRUCE did after PL’S war with them. As long as you have good leadership you guys will be fine no matter where you end up. Now, go take Scalding Pass =)

      April 3, 2015 at 21:29 Reply
      1. Dave

        No, No, No…Forget Scalding. Go for Vale of the Silent!

        April 3, 2015 at 21:55 Reply
        1. CaptainCommonsense

          No, Cloud Ring!

          April 4, 2015 at 05:35 Reply
          1. Drakkenstien

            Oooh, pretty. I like it.

            April 4, 2015 at 14:07
      2. eve

        problem is every time they build a sandcastle PL will go and kick it over for “gudfights” LOL…. perhaps at this point Brave would do more for the game to disband showing PL constantly picking on noobs kills eve.

        April 4, 2015 at 07:29 Reply
  7. Billbo

    Is Lord Commander Shadoo back?

    April 3, 2015 at 21:34 Reply


    April 3, 2015 at 21:36 Reply
  9. not an empty reponse

    pl chest beating on a pl website about pl news while replying to other pl chest beaters

    April 4, 2015 at 00:24 Reply
  10. Mangraa

    HERO/Brave turned out to be great neighbours to Providence, at least in my opinion. Over time, the fights we had lost that anger and need for swift destruction felt during the war, and turned into, dare I say it, genuine good fights. They would continue to form up for us like 90% of the time, despite the crazy situation they had at home. I admire the endurance and willingness of any and all HERO members who fought it out till the end. Well played.

    April 4, 2015 at 00:32 Reply
    1. Michael Majere

      Will miss Fighting against Brave

      April 6, 2015 at 01:43 Reply
  11. santaclow

    Brave is the last abomination of Dominiom Sov. Glad to see them out. Faction Warfare?

    April 4, 2015 at 01:00 Reply
  12. Andrew Metzger

    If only the CFC had put the boot down and finished PL off. Now they’ve healed up and they’re off life support but they keep trying to kill small animals and shitting all over.

    April 4, 2015 at 01:12 Reply
    1. Ryu

      ayyy lmao

      April 4, 2015 at 02:50 Reply
    2. Mcdonald triad

      1. Firesetting
      2. Cruelty to animals
      3. Enuresis

      April 4, 2015 at 16:46 Reply
  13. Kamar Raimo

    Everyone always said Brave are the new Goonswarm or TEST. Now that they have lost sov and declare themselves nomadic mercenaries they look more like the new PL.

    Look out supercap dropping bittervets. You may find yourselves in the retirement home because there is a new kid on the block.

    April 4, 2015 at 01:13 Reply
    1. Jed

      Brave doesn’t look like PL lol. They look like noobs to farm.

      April 4, 2015 at 02:38 Reply
    2. Ryu


      April 4, 2015 at 02:49 Reply
  14. JedTheFish

    Time to evict Provi next!!!!

    April 4, 2015 at 02:37 Reply
    1. Ryu

      yesh. Although provi wont have the morale problems hero had

      April 4, 2015 at 02:49 Reply
      1. Kamar Raimo

        Pl will likely go where the fights are and that will likely be Fountain/Delve

        April 4, 2015 at 03:25 Reply
        1. Ryu

          too bad there are no fights there to be had other than sbu pingpong and form for stratops only when one entity outnumbers the other entity in available supers and subcaps. Cfc doesnt allow “fun” roams, nc. Is the only blue and kadeshi darkness cant sustain more losses from “PL FUN OPS”.

          April 4, 2015 at 03:59 Reply
        2. mr nobody

          yeah delve would be aids. If PL was to get involved in the war it would have to be a substanial amount of isk. I would also assume that the best would be actually to attack in the north so tribute and vale areas and force CFC to spit up

          April 4, 2015 at 04:31 Reply
        3. Ellipsis


          Crystal ball says:
          PL will go to Etherium Reach and bail out Legion of Death. A conflict where they can easily ply their super/titan fleet against all potential opponents and face no actual risk.

          April 4, 2015 at 16:44 Reply
  15. aFK

    Next PL campaign: freighter ganking in uedama

    April 4, 2015 at 03:44 Reply
  16. Free Ukraine

    Thank you PL for allowing the biggest bunch of Shitlords back into the sov game. Cannot wait to kick AAA back into the fucking Stone Age

    April 4, 2015 at 05:38 Reply
  17. Jarhead

    I find EVE interesting but I do not currently play. is there an issue with large player groups that are capable of holding sov choosing not to? what would happen if NPC Null and Lowsec stations charged docking fees that rose as more players used the same station? would that force powerful groups like PL to hold some sov rather than roaming freely?
    secondly brave seems to have a numbers superiority and now nothing to lose. what would happen if they started flipping PL moons?

    April 4, 2015 at 11:46 Reply
    1. Jay

      PL would poop on their faces with the Super Blob, regardless of numbers, PL have the tools and know how to use them. Brave apparently do not have them or the know how to use them.

      April 4, 2015 at 14:04 Reply
      1. Jarhead

        how far can the super blob move these days? what happens if brave hits moons in many different areas?

        April 4, 2015 at 17:56 Reply
        1. Nullbeer

          Or just refs every pl moon and dont show up for any of the timers? That would be amusing to watch the PL tears about blueballing, and eventually they might not even show up to the timers bc they figure brave wont either.

          April 5, 2015 at 04:06 Reply
  18. Homer

    Can’t do much with your overloads fighting the personal vendetta war in the south.

    Pets will do what pets do best, wait indoors and begging for treats.

    Don’t worry if history has shown us anything is that Russians cannot hold space EVEN if PL gifts it to them 😉

    April 4, 2015 at 14:11 Reply
    1. Umm

      Brave’s move towards being a merc’s for hire, shows they have learnt the biggest lesson that PL was teaching them: You don’t need Sov to have fun.
      Given the new sov mechanics due in June & PL’s unlikley desire to stay in catch to safe guard against the Russians, the whole region will be open for the taking.

      Since Brave know the area well, they may just have the last laugh and end up being hired to safe guard the very space they just lost and prevent N3 from having to deploy forces there to do it themselves.

      April 5, 2015 at 08:11 Reply
  19. hehe

    What’s wrong brave…tired of getting station camped and farmed in Saint? It’s ok..a few jumps away won’t stop it lol

    April 4, 2015 at 20:45 Reply
  20. Necromonger

    Karmafleet is recruiting o/

    April 4, 2015 at 21:20 Reply
  21. anonymouse

    So the number of kills in null sec will go down quite a bit making null sec a LOT more boring.
    The blue donuts is all what is left now… .
    Lets see where can you go to null to get kills, there used to be brave sov, now there is nothing left… . The rest is blueball or blue donut making null empty and void of content.

    April 5, 2015 at 12:18 Reply
    1. dad

      Take ur items an join a alliance base in 00npc with not much blues, u can make money, u have more types of pvp (a lot of targets). and for my taste u can make good solo wandering? in 00 (my inglish) xD

      April 5, 2015 at 15:58 Reply
      1. derp

        so you want me to join alliance with less pew and more dick per hour. thanks for the advice, dad.

        April 5, 2015 at 19:27 Reply
          1. derp

            just saying after playing for many alliances I found Braves to be the most fun. Often it’s not easy to fight against overwhelming odds, feels like climbing uphill. Braves is more like playing Eve in the hard mode. Perhaps one day you will be ready for this.

            April 5, 2015 at 20:40
          2. Time to Move on

            So join Nc. Or Nulli Secunda. That’s exactly what they do except they are good at it.

            April 6, 2015 at 06:03
          3. been there, done that

            I was in Darkness. NC fcs have like constant pms or something and overall I like BNI more.

            April 7, 2015 at 00:30
    2. Lord Odious Smugly

      Actually, quite the opposite, because there are enough new groups out there thinking that Catch is now “easy pickings”, at least for roams, that you should just make a little effort to fly there and shoot the tourists in the face. C’est fun.

      April 5, 2015 at 20:44 Reply
  22. Hodor

    2 days ago I auto-piloted through goon space some 10 jumps then 5 jumps through NULL NPC space and then continued on to Jita. I thought for sure my caracal was dead when i logged in the next morning. But nope, there it was docked in Jita safe and sound!

    null is dead.

    April 6, 2015 at 20:40 Reply

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