Around 5pm this evening a screenshot was posted on multiple platforms by JEFFRAIDER, CSMX candidate and member of Pandemic Legion, purportedly showing an upcoming change to the Tengu Strategic Cruiser. According to sources, the information was leaked from the CCP private test server, Chaos.

Chaos is the primary development test-server and nearly all new features are tested first on this server and it is usually at least one build beyond that which is on singularity. Chaos was a public test-server many years ago.


Image courtesy of JEFFRAIDER, CSMX Candidate

So far we only have the information for the DEFENSIVE sub systems for the Tengu Strategic cruiser, however we expect there to also be changes to other sub systems, not only on the Tengu but maybe throughout the Tech 3 Strategic Cruiser stable. It is also worth noting that things off the Chaos server very rarely make it unchanged through Singularity and onto Tranquility.


A number of people are also indicating that there may also be an incoming nerf to the Ishtar Heavy Assault Cruiser as well as the Tengu. Whether these rumors are true or not we will have to wait for the o7 show, which will be airing tomorrow Thursday 26th February 2015 on at 2000 Eve time.

With these leaks, this episode is now a can’t miss event and could shake up the ‘meta’ of Eve Online for months to come.

If you have anything that you think should be reported on EN24, please contact me at @mail_lite on Twitter, email at [email protected] or Eve Mail me in game.


  1. boliano

    bout time

    February 25, 2015 at 22:01 Reply
  2. lol

    nerf the freaking bombers so we can fly BS in tidi again ¬¬

    February 25, 2015 at 22:07 Reply
    1. Eve_is_toohard

      I can think of at least 4 hard counters to bombers that would make them useless on a battlefield. But why should I (a bomber pilot) tell anyone what is blatantly obvious? Life is too hard, especially for southerners, apparently. I blame the mediterr– i mean, amarrian, sun(s).

      February 26, 2015 at 23:27 Reply
      1. Herp Derpison

        defensive bubbling

        February 27, 2015 at 00:07 Reply
  3. Noisrevbus

    They decided on shifting goalposts again? Not too surprising, though always disappointing, as it means they’ve sunk design resources into this rather than fixing the underlying issues of accuracy plus damage/repair scaling and postponed or suspended any such effectful changes once more.

    February 25, 2015 at 22:09 Reply
  4. lol

    RIP Tengu

    February 25, 2015 at 22:18 Reply
  5. Skippy Doo

    Still waiting on the carrier reballance…

    February 25, 2015 at 22:33 Reply
    1. yep

      I have a feeling that there will be a brutal sledgehammer coming towards supers and carriers in general, but they will fix the subcaps first I guess and SOV.

      February 26, 2015 at 01:37 Reply
      1. random Dude

        I hope the Slege hammer at least removes fighter and fighter bombers assinged to interceptors!

        February 26, 2015 at 06:39 Reply
        1. Kin

          Hmm, maybe using smartbomb? 🙂

          February 26, 2015 at 09:58 Reply
        2. Tiehaa

          assigning drones option should eb removed from game and forces the capital to be actually engaged on grid.

          February 26, 2015 at 12:20 Reply
    2. yierharh

      they invented drifters, titan doomsdays, dreads, supercariers, battleships, black ops, hacs, cruisers, bombers etc etc etc which all can destroy carriers.

      Carriers are not the problem, throwing 300 on a single grid with spidertanks are.
      Removing remote capital armor/shield reps + capacitor boosters should be good for some fun.

      February 26, 2015 at 12:19 Reply
  6. Candyman

    Pls nerf everything so there’s never an original ship again, and everybody flies the same boring shit, but mostly so nobody will ever whine to CCP again that it’s “OP” or just not fucking fair because ~reasons~ they pulled out of their ass.

    February 25, 2015 at 23:28 Reply
    1. logic

      Uhm… everybody already flies the same boring shit – that’s why they are nerfing it.

      February 25, 2015 at 23:59 Reply
      1. Soulxlight

        It is and always will be an ongoing rebalancing effort. After this another ship will become THE ship to fly.

        February 26, 2015 at 00:43 Reply
        1. no

          If they manage do rebalance the T3 cruiser and the Ishtars in a good way and get a solution for bombs there will be a rich meta of various doctrines.

          Faction BS are finally affordable for fleet comps now, you already see mach and rattles fielded + NApocs and TFI. Then you have Domi’s. That is already 5 different BS hulls as doctrine. IF they fix bombs they will become more used.

          IF they fix T3/Ishtars you may see other HACs again and maybe some working T3 fleets beside Tengu.

          February 26, 2015 at 01:35 Reply
    2. Calfis

      Cuz Ishtars Ishtars and more Ishtars is never boring, amirite?

      February 26, 2015 at 00:14 Reply
  7. Ryu


    February 26, 2015 at 00:03 Reply
  8. Messiah Complex

    JEFFRAIDER is a CSM candidate?

    February 26, 2015 at 00:04 Reply
    1. Bam Stroker

      No he’s not. Author might have confused him with Vic Jefferson maybe? vOv

      February 26, 2015 at 00:05 Reply
    2. GrouchyOldGamer

      Jeff should be the first CSM emeritus.

      February 26, 2015 at 08:28 Reply
  9. bla

    People try to make fun of me, call me an noskill F1-pressing noob. Little do the know how wrong they are. Pressing F1 is too much effort. I hate 1’s, I’m even more lazy then those F1 pressers. F1…..too much effort, let go of that 1, free yourself of the 1, just press F!!!!!

    Ishtars unite!!!!!

    February 26, 2015 at 00:16 Reply
    1. Thatguy

      I assign my stuff to f3.

      February 26, 2015 at 16:17 Reply
  10. Oddsodz

    I just don’t get it, The ships themselves are not overpowered at all until you add links. So if you was to remove the “OFF GRID BOOSTER” and put it on grid where it can be shot. You would see less BOOSTED ships in the big fleet fights of 0.0 and so more things would die instead of what you have now of cat and mouse until somebody gets a few alpha shots down. The reason nothing dies in the 0.0 fights is not that logi is so good. It’s becasue logi plus SIG tanking is so good with links. Take the Links away and then you will not see so much “Ishtar + Tengu fleet fights online”. They are only good because of links. Take the links away or have them on grid where they become a FC option or decision to shoot and then you will see things change in the big blob fleet fight of 0.0

    February 26, 2015 at 00:41 Reply
    1. shut up

      You are a retard and should feel bad about it.

      February 26, 2015 at 01:32 Reply
    2. Lee Thrace

      The anti-solo pvp movement is using clever tactics tonight, but I see what you are doing you snake. This aggression will not stand!

      February 26, 2015 at 03:04 Reply
      1. Chris

        Couldn’t you just leave link stats/mechanics alone and have the bonus scale down based on the number of pilots that ship is boosting? No idea how complicated that would be on their end but it seems like it would be okay to me. It would have a marginal impact on solo/small gang pvp while affecting larger fleets. I can garuntee nobody will have enough pilots to drop a booster in every squad. Its a struggle just getting boosts to fill wing slots.

        February 26, 2015 at 04:26 Reply
        1. Walex

          I really like that idea. For every additional squad the booster gets less effective. And still give the small gangs a fighting chance against the blob.

          February 26, 2015 at 09:19 Reply
          1. Thatguy

            Only if you buff the boosts so that each small gang ship becomes a force multiplier. But then there would a major issue with boosts vs no boosts.

            February 26, 2015 at 16:17
        2. Noisrevbus

          What they should do is take that line of logic and apply it to weapons and remotes instead. That would make current balances of Ishtar and Tengu obsolete while at the same time both mending the gap between large and small gangs and ensuring that large gangs are subject to the same balance small gangs are where you can’t just alpha anything you want with S Rails.

          Instead, you alpha things with weapons made to alpha (indirect projectile buff), break tanks with short range weapon burst (indirect blaster, pulse, AC and dumbfire buffs), neut out tanks (indirect amarr buff) or control logi (while ECM get stacking balanced too). That’s a win-win for everyone from small-large gangs trying to find content from each other to the balance of races and hulls. When that is done booster ships would also be tanky enough to be put on grid even against larger gangs, so the necessity of off-grid boosting is gone.

          When that is done they can adapt LR-bonused LR guns like Rails on Caldari to actual combat ranges again, so they have their niche back instead of uselessly overshooting it (only to be turned into all other guns). Similarily they could ensure that everything doesn’t hit anything from a standstill all the time – so people actually start missing some shots, move their ships around to hit again and ships with tracking bonuses will have an advantage in the sig-speed relative that is meaningful. So, you know, we actually fly our own ships again. That will also fix the sentry Ishtar and Slowcat since their sentries sit still.

          Et voila, Blackbirds nerfed, Logi nerfed, Carriers nerfed, Supers nerfed. All of it without touching any of the ships like a candy-peddling van-pedaller. When that is done we can remove weapons from Supers, Shadoo-them, and turn them into mobile stations for siege staging and deep space pirate nesting.

          Everybody wins.

          Then again, I guess a proper and useful change is hoping for too much.

          Let’s make sure the Ishtar drone bonus is 5% instead of 10%, instead ;).

          February 26, 2015 at 20:30 Reply
      2. Random CFC Grunt

        Solo is to fly one character. If you get a second character and a second ship just to make the first one 50% better it’s not really solo, that’s a duo. It’s like using a trainer with no invulnerability option.

        February 26, 2015 at 10:32 Reply
        1. yoyo

          +1….how often I havent encountered a “wanna 1vs1?” in lowsec when the opponent was boosted.

          February 26, 2015 at 12:16 Reply
        2. Lee Thrace

          You vile bastards won’t take my links.

          February 26, 2015 at 16:41 Reply
          1. Random CFC Grunt

            Hopefully we will…someday…

            February 27, 2015 at 15:36
    3. Vvvvvvlade

      put links on grid, remove sentry drones from game, remove option to assign drones.

      February 26, 2015 at 12:15 Reply
    4. lol whot

      It’ caled combat probing, and it works you know. But only hadful of people do virtue …. it’s not like it’s hard to kill off grid booster you know, i lost mine like 4+ times

      February 26, 2015 at 13:48 Reply
      1. Oddsodz

        Then you sir are a bad, Go hang in black rise and see how not to lose links,.

        February 27, 2015 at 17:42 Reply
  11. Bob

    Time to train another 90 days for the next fleet comps. Damn, that sentry 5 took forever.

    February 26, 2015 at 02:08 Reply
    1. Michael Oskold

      its too bad almost every single fucking battleship comp uses sentries kek

      February 26, 2015 at 02:59 Reply
    2. Thatguy

      next meta will be Roaming Carriers. So get training.

      February 26, 2015 at 16:14 Reply
  12. Bebo

    Caldari had one fleet pvp ship and they killed it…

    February 26, 2015 at 02:30 Reply
    1. beboy

      CCP hate Caldari remember.

      February 26, 2015 at 02:37 Reply
      1. Vvvvvvlade

        CCP hate non-goons.

        February 26, 2015 at 12:13 Reply
        1. Random CFC Grunt

          Yup, that’s probably why they nerfed Drakes when we were using them as our secondary doctrine, then they nerfed Drone-assist when we were using Domis + Boots. Then we had a little thing called Phoebe and now, when our primary doctrines are Ishtars and Tengus, they want to nerf them… Yep, your story is quite accurate…

          February 26, 2015 at 13:17 Reply
          1. Ming Tso

            Tengus and Ishtars are everyone’s primary doctrines. That’s why they want to nerf them, not just because you’re CFC.

            February 26, 2015 at 13:44
          2. Random CFC Grunt

            I don’t see how that contradicts what I’ve written, especially since this is not news at all. I am aware that they are the dominant doctrines now, but let’s face it, the nerf is long time coming (especially the Tengu nerf) and CCP tends to react a tiny bit quicker once the CFC adapts a doctrine using broken ships like the ones in question (this applies mostly to Ishtars). Then again, we don’t even know what is CCP’s plan at the moment…

            February 26, 2015 at 14:01
          3. Parrforthecourse

            Not understanding why it must be a nerf? Seriously, I do not unnerstan!!! Why-o-why can’t we add buffs to other ships to make them a viable counter to whatever ship in question?? Why does everyone seem to buy into the nerf mentality??????? I’m really asking…it’s not a troll…and no I don’t want to end up with a single class of ship overpowering the others. I’m genuinely asking why can we not change how we think here?? In the end, it’d be the same process…new ship gets buff…meta changes…another ship gets buff…meta changes…at least with a buff instead of a nerf you don’t feel like your taking it up-the-ass and being force to use a Celestis.

            February 26, 2015 at 14:53
          4. Random CFC Grunt

            Because the nerf applies only to one ship, if done incorrectly (and you can be pretty sure that’s what it’s going to be like) it affects only that ship. A buff, when performed incorrectly (again…) can be seen as a nerf to every other comparable ship, besides, CCP was buffing ships for a while now and guess what – one of the effects of that was the Ishtar (remember that it was already nerfed since that time and look how well that turned out…). Add to that the fact that both of the ships mentioned here – Tengu and Ishtar – are broken. The Tengu is way too flexible (before you deny this – it’s the only T3 that can fit 6 links and still be nullified and cloaky, it’s the only T3 which can be adapted to almost every conceiveable role except maybe a hauler, while the Loki and the Proteus may have some elements that are more useful, they are nowhere near the flexibility offered by the Tengu), the same goes for the Ishtar but here we also get problems from the not-exactly-balanced sentry drones. The drones make correctly-run Ishtar fleets hard to kill and insanely powerful (after all, sentries by default are a battleship-size weapon), while being very cost-effective. Oh, and don’t forget that you can fit armor ishtars just as well as shield ones, use them for solo, use them for small gank activities, gatecamps and ratting too… Can you say the same about – say – an Eagle? Or a Muninn? Or a Vaga? Or a Sacrilege? Or a Zealot? Or even a Deimos?…

            February 26, 2015 at 15:16
          5. Parrforthecourse

            Nope, you’re right, you can’t…and understand what you are saying….on the other hand, I’m not getting why we can’t build the same capability for the other ships you mention. Or perhaps a counter to these capabilities in the ships you mentioned. You mention that CCP was buffing for a while….I must be too young to remember (only been playing since early 2012) but, again why take things away?? And why on earth would you want to buy into that?? (you never really adressed these two questions, by the way) It just does not make sense to me but, I guess we’re both entitled to our opinion on the subject. You obviously want a nerf OK … but what’s the problem if we go the other way to achieve the same result??? I would at least feel like I’m flying something I can counter with instead of attempting to figure out how to fit a round peg in a square hole (i.e. picking shitty ships that I never wanted to fly in the first place).

            February 26, 2015 at 15:53
          6. Thatguy

            Buffing 100 ships is harder and riskier than nerfing 1 ship into line with its other strategic cruisers. Tengu has always stood out amongst them as powerful in defense and offense.

            February 26, 2015 at 16:14
          7. Parrforthecourse

            OK, I understand … to a point. The problem is the balance that you guys are talking about has been applied to ALL of the ships and most of the ship classes. So, the argument that it’s easier to apply a nerf to just one ship is correct but, kinda goes flyin out the window when they’re nerfing (excuse me) balancing all the ships anyway. I’ve also herd terms like “power creep” being thrown around to. Again, this problem is NEVER going to go away … as soon as you think you’ve got everything just so, there’s going to be some ship that’s better than all the others for whatever reason. This gets to the bare bones of it, you guys believe in taking things away, and I still do not get why???

            February 26, 2015 at 18:30
          8. Random CFC Grunt

            Take a look at the stats that the eve’s ships had before the rebalancing started. There have been tons of buffs but balancing is not a one time effort. Now, CCP is taking further re-balancing passes and hopefully will be doing that constantly and nerf or buff those ships/mechanics/items/whatever as is required. If they don’t, people will get bored and stop playing and that’s not quite what they want.
            You don’t like nerfs? Tough shit. Get used to them as they are the easiest, most cost effective, quickest and usually one of the better methods of correcting previous bad decisions. Don’t take them personally. You’re not the only one who will miss Tengus and Ishtars being OP. All of us will in a way but when they’re back in the right place (hopefully) people will enjoy other ships for a while (until someone else develops the next “meta”).
            As a proud owner of 8 Tengus and a metric Fuckton of Ishtars I’d like to say – CCP, NERF this shit into the ground!

            February 26, 2015 at 19:40
          9. Parrforthecourse

            Actually, it’s not the Tengu or the Ishtar…I’m still pissed about losing the 5th turret on the Myrm…but that’s another story. As for the tough shit part, yeah, I got that already, but thanks for the dose of reality. I was just asking why as it did not (and still really dosen’t) make a whole lot of sense to me. I mean from the stand-point of cost it does compute…but from the perspective of retaining customers by keeping them happy…it just seems to make a lot more sense to attract them with honey (i.e. buffs) rather than nerfing everything in sight. Anyway, thanks for the conversation and taking the time to respond!! I really appreciate it, have a great day!!!!!

            February 26, 2015 at 20:05
          10. Thatguy

            By readjusting things constantly, not unlike league of legends, you will eventually obtain a balance wherein “everything has a use and is used”. Tengus and Ishtars clearly have dominance due to:
            1) Doesn’t take immense damage from bombers compared to battleships.
            2) Faster.
            3) More fitting options. (Ewar, etc)
            4) Can do battleship level damage / range.
            5) is cheap enough now, to do so.
            6) Battleship equivilant tank.

            Once you address one or more of these issues, you start to bring it into line with what is expected of a ship designed to specialise.

            I for one, would love to see Battleships EHP buffed a little. But then you have to think about logistics and “would it be too easy to keep a battleship alive?”

            February 27, 2015 at 09:33
          11. Random CFC Grunt

            Why take things away – because it’s easier than giving every other ship a buff to put it in line with the overpowered one.
            Why on earth would you want to buy into that? If by this you mean why do I think it’s better to nerf one ship instead of buffing all the others, then the answer is that I believe the current balance of ships is not that bad (I will of course be proven wrong by the next example of human creativity…) and I believe it should be preserved.

            Nerf 1 =/= buff all others. Note, that the numbers that actually constitue a nerf usually aren’t enough. Tengu’s problems may be solved by these changes but I don’t think they will, same goes for the Ishtar. Unfortunately CCP is much more willing to do some cosmetic tweaks (change 5% to 4%, 7,5% to 5%, reduce shield by x amout etc.) than to fix broken mechanics (sentry drones, off grid links etc.).

            February 26, 2015 at 16:19
    2. lance

      we will forever mourn the drake, prince of ships

      February 26, 2015 at 04:01 Reply
    3. TUO

      Except for, you know, Harpies, Hawks, Cerberuses, Eagles, Moas, Ravens, Scorpions and Rokhs, Caldari has no fleet combat ships…

      I was trolled into leaving this comment, wasn’t I?

      February 26, 2015 at 09:20 Reply
      1. II

        Harpies? Hawks? Moas? Ravens? Scorpions? Rokhs? … troll detected!

        February 26, 2015 at 10:00 Reply
        1. Random CFC Grunt

          Have you ever played this game called Eve?…

          February 26, 2015 at 10:25 Reply
      2. Random CFC Grunt

        You forgot Basilisks, Crows, Chimeras, Blackbirds, Onyxes (even though the last three have limited use).

        February 26, 2015 at 10:28 Reply
  13. santa

    And exactlly when does the ishtar or tengu even with links becomes overpowered in fleet? Everyone has them, Typical CCP if it’s too fun or too often used definatelly is not good for the game should be changed (usually nerfed).

    February 26, 2015 at 07:57 Reply
    1. Walex

      Like all the time?
      You must agree that the Ishtar is kind of OP compared to other HACs, battlecruisers etc. Able to project 650ish dps @ 80k compared with t2 resists and small sig.

      February 26, 2015 at 09:16 Reply
      1. Random CFC Grunt

        Please also remember that the Ishtar’s DPS is not attached to the ship itself, making it easy to kite, as the drones can sit in their effective range, pumping tons of dps, while the fleet is at a safe range. Sure, drones can be destroyed but usually the fight is over long before the Ishtars run out of them.

        February 26, 2015 at 13:06 Reply
    2. U-T

      thos ships don’t need nerfing, but ofc, when you have 10 pimped battleships and they get alphaed by 300 tengus or ishtars, those ships are obviously to blame…

      Not that the blob matters or anything, huh CCP?But then again, we wouldn’t want to upset your CFC devs..

      February 26, 2015 at 12:12 Reply
      1. Random CFC Grunt

        If someone decides to fight 300 Tengus in 10 pimped-BSs then I honestly doubt the problem is with the ships or the blob…

        February 26, 2015 at 13:30 Reply
  14. GrouchyOldGamer

    I’m very disappointed in the Ishtar nerf it will greatly reduce my enjoyment of Eve. Being able to anchor up then assign my drones to a random fleet member meant I could play and and be doing something actually fun on another screen.

    Damn you CCP!!!!

    February 26, 2015 at 08:27 Reply
  15. Michele Manfredi

    fuck u ccp…500 m isk for the hull and sub and u nerf the ship……i want see tonight…but for me an harpy become only way for fun ..thnx for destroy our doctrine and my skill month for skill caldari month for subsystem …fuck again bye

    February 26, 2015 at 08:36 Reply
    1. Kin

      Harpy nerf allso incoming, so you should start learning something else.

      February 26, 2015 at 09:52 Reply
      1. Michele Manfredi

        yea buy another plex for another not nerf doctrine.

        February 26, 2015 at 10:10 Reply
    2. nullbears pls go

      Good riddance.

      February 26, 2015 at 09:56 Reply
    3. lol

      Its not CCPs fault that u are noob with 2mil SP…….

      February 26, 2015 at 11:11 Reply
      1. Michele Manfredi
        February 26, 2015 at 15:09 Reply
    4. yoyo

      should have stayed with the goon’s rifter of doom.

      February 26, 2015 at 12:09 Reply
      1. Tiehaa

        this, buy 1000 rifters and everyone has fun.
        Till they nerf rifters.

        February 26, 2015 at 12:22 Reply
    5. Tired

      Cry more, it warms me.

      February 26, 2015 at 15:05 Reply
      1. Michele Manfredi

        it s not cry only rage for waste money in game time.

        February 26, 2015 at 15:13 Reply
        1. RANDOM

          Your tears seem so similar to something else…. OH YES!

          February 26, 2015 at 16:46 Reply
    6. Frans Bovens

      It wont be useless no wurries, just not god mode

      February 26, 2015 at 18:15 Reply
  16. No1LovesU

    no 1 loves you jeffraider,
    Clearly Bullshit and cry for attention

    February 26, 2015 at 08:53 Reply
  17. NC.Guy

    Let’s be honest the ishtar needs a little nerf its the most versatile hac out there and makes most others obsolete which is boring and who seriously isn’t sick of tengu fleets?

    February 26, 2015 at 11:43 Reply
    1. Parrforthecourse

      NO!!!! No more nerfs…EVER!!!!! Stop with the nerf mentality!!!! We have had enough nerfing!!!! If you feel the Ishtar is OP … then, balance the other ships with buffs to counter this (notice the word counter…I did NOT say equivalent) We need to buff the other ships to make them a viable option instead of forcing people into using ships they did not want in the first place!!! CAN WE PLEASE GET AWAY FROM THE NERF MENTALITY?? I’m not intending to be mean or scold …I’m just so tired of CCP Fozzies approach to everything is take, take, take….and people seem to buy into that philosophy…when it could be just as easily solved by adding more to other ships. Stop taking and start giving!!!! It’s increadibly appealing when you stop and give it some thought.

      February 26, 2015 at 14:41 Reply
      1. voice of reason

        Clearly you haven’t been around long enough to remember this or completely recessed it into your memory. the entire reason for the Ishtar being OP is BECAUSE of a buff that it got 2 years ago. Here is what some of the traits for the thing use to be.
        So you see the entire problem with the ishtar is that is WAS BUFFED and they are simply trying to correct for the over buff which it received. If you just keep buffing everything you have horrible power creep which has already happened in EVE. look at the dps faction battleships now are capable of vs. what they used to be. it’s not hard now to get virtually everyone one over 1200-1300 dps which used to be EXTREMELY high in previous years.

        February 26, 2015 at 16:42 Reply
      2. Walex

        That’s not how you balance stuff. By buffing 120 other ships you get so many uncontrolled and unforseen effects. Nerfing one ship slightly is the sane and correct way. If nerf too much it’s easy to change it again in the next 6 coming weeks.

        February 26, 2015 at 17:14 Reply
        1. Parrforthecourse

          Oh, I’m sorry, must have missed the part where CCP was nerfing just one ship. But, haven’t they been nerfing (apologies, I think CCP’s quaint terminology is balancing) every ship in every class over time?? Nope, that can’t be right, is it???

          February 26, 2015 at 18:47 Reply
  18. Woschdbrot

    Not a huge suprise, there’ll be a new meta as usual.

    February 26, 2015 at 11:48 Reply
    1. Tiehaa

      ccp should just do away with drones alltogether, just carriers/supercarriers get drones and do away with assigning drones, drone carrying ships have to be on grid to attack.

      February 26, 2015 at 12:10 Reply
      1. Jack Morrison

        Drones are not an issue – it’s the damage application and tracking of the sentry drones that causes some imbalance on a few hulls.

        February 26, 2015 at 13:07 Reply
  19. Dying Bravely

    So….we’re switching to every other T3 online.

    February 26, 2015 at 12:00 Reply
  20. ScrewTengus


    February 26, 2015 at 12:38 Reply
    1. Random CFC Grunt

      Guess you’re not in Razor then…

      February 26, 2015 at 13:09 Reply
      1. nullbear

        N3 used alot of Proteus during the Halloween war… I know because I killed a fuckton of them.

        February 26, 2015 at 17:23 Reply
  21. JustCrashIntoEachOTher

    Here is an idea buff other ships instead of nerfing the ones that work. That way maybe there will be more fleets with other ships with diff roles that can be also effective of the same class or at least a counter. People adapt then something else will take its place. They nerf that. Now you are at an impass because we are making ships more worthless then worthwhile. Drake, Dramiel, vagabond etc etc. lists goes on. cycle goes on.

    February 26, 2015 at 13:53 Reply
    1. Parrforthecourse

      Jesus, can I get a HELL YEAH!!!! Been screaming about this for I don’t know how long…stop fucking nerfing already…if you want balance then buff everything else. That way, more doors get opened instead of just having to choose from the other shitty options that nobody wanted in the first place…DAMN IT!!!!!! CCP NEVER FUCKING LISTENS>>>>AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      February 26, 2015 at 14:28 Reply
      1. Random CFC Grunt

        …because it’s not an issue to just change every other ship in game once we discover that one of them is op…

        February 26, 2015 at 15:43 Reply
      2. Anon

        Why do the work to buff 100 things instead of nerfing 5 things? Your way encourages power creep instead of balance.

        February 26, 2015 at 16:04 Reply
      3. Frans Bovens

        Breath in, and out, deeply plz, get a glass of water and sit down. Think of flowers and meadows.

        February 26, 2015 at 18:10 Reply
  22. Sold

    Those Tengu nerfs are barely going to scratch the surface of what is wrong with strat cruisers. So much more needs to be done.

    February 26, 2015 at 14:21 Reply
  23. Afk

    No need to touch the ship. Just change the sub skills to rank5. These ships did exactly as predicted, become op and obsolete other specialised class ships.

    February 26, 2015 at 14:23 Reply
    1. Thatguy

      “These ships” you say that like the legion is used at all. Loki and Proteus are seldom used outside of wormholes.

      February 26, 2015 at 16:07 Reply
      1. Thatotherguy

        There is alot loki doctrine fleets in null both shield and armor. also they use alot lokis in lowsec too. Personally i got 3 lokis and none of them in wh. Ive also seen rail proteus fleet doctrine used in null. Even tho proteus usually used as a long point in t3 fleets. Ive seen also legion fleet doctrine used yet again in null. However legion most rare of these and mostly used as links or maybe even for some random pvp/pve stuff..

        February 27, 2015 at 14:43 Reply
        1. Thatguy

          I’ve also seen Battle Badgers, but that doesn’t make them used. You suggest there are “alot” of these. Well. Who is currently using them actively this year?

          February 27, 2015 at 15:34 Reply
  24. Cannonball1

    It’s not the tengu and the Ishtar that are the problem–it’s the stealth bomber.

    February 26, 2015 at 15:34 Reply
    1. Random CFC Grunt

      The truth is – they all are…

      February 26, 2015 at 15:41 Reply
      1. Fartolio

        Every damn usable ship will end up being a problem.

        February 26, 2015 at 19:04 Reply
        1. Random CFC Grunt

          I’m still waiting for the time, when the Sac will need a nerf…

          February 26, 2015 at 21:10 Reply
  25. Codo

    Ccp have already said they are going to nerf the t3s. Old news

    February 26, 2015 at 16:09 Reply
  26. trollsroyce

    A healthy cycle of meta shifts is achieved best by nerfing the long standing top compositions. This makes people stockpile old ships and thus drives the industry.

    Imbalance is not the most important motivator of nerf cycles. The important one is economy & industry. The other important one is promoting perpetual change that makes things interesting.

    February 26, 2015 at 17:20 Reply
  27. nullbear

    I’d love to see the T3 Cruiser concept go away and just redo them to work like T3 Destroyers. I think that idea is much much better.

    February 26, 2015 at 17:25 Reply
    1. Guest

      I’d still like to see them be modular, but move all the fitting to the engineering and electronic subs, and a selector that basically turns on a 3rd subsystem. This would mean, they can still have everything they can get now, just not all at 1 time.

      February 26, 2015 at 18:46 Reply
  28. Newbrosian

    Nerfing the Ishtar hmmm…to Evemon Batman!

    February 26, 2015 at 17:50 Reply
  29. Frans Bovens

    So this one time at wintersummit camp with ccp rise..

    February 26, 2015 at 18:09 Reply
  30. Andy

    Since when was Jeff running for CSM X? that’s news to me.

    February 26, 2015 at 20:02 Reply
  31. Plukovnik

    Proposed change for Ishtars:
    Heavy Drones and Sentry Drones: -30% HP and DMG
    Dominix and Armageddon (+Navy Domi, Sin) would receive +15% DMG/HP to heavy drones/sentry drones, Rattlesnake would also get its stats improved.
    That would make Ishtar still excellent ships for skirmish warfare with heavy/sentry drones, however not having same damage as battleships.
    Battleships would have much better damage with drones, however their versatility would not be as great as of Ishtars.
    This would also bring an end to AFK ratting ishtars and would force players to use either expensive T3s or Battleships.
    Gila would finally become meaningful alternative to Ishtar in terms of versatility, damage output with drones same as Ishtar, but its damage would outperform Ishtar if it used its faction specific missile bonuses.

    February 26, 2015 at 21:08 Reply
    1. Plukovnik

      Of course I did not mean giving “negative bonus” to ishtar, but only changing Heavy and Sentry drone stats, Ishtar stats would stay as they are. Changing Heavy and Sentry drone stats would only affect Ishtar and Vexor/Navy Vexor – and sentry drones of course Carrier blobs, which would only be good.

      February 26, 2015 at 21:12 Reply
      1. random guest

        Wouldn’t it just be easier to reduced bandwidth by 25? Losing a drone would be a 20% dps loss to the Ishtar without having to make changes for other ships?

        February 26, 2015 at 21:37 Reply
    2. Dronet

      Well there goes my wormhole myrmidon 🙁

      Not only HACs and battleships use heavy drones

      February 26, 2015 at 23:00 Reply
    3. JimFromIT

      Dev blog is out, none of what you said is tru so I gues your “proposed changes” are just “I think this will happen”

      February 27, 2015 at 15:54 Reply
    4. novasigma

      domi navy issue will never get this high of a bonus! it can already pack over 1600 dps with out any shiny mods every thing t2 will get you over 1600 with max skills.

      February 27, 2015 at 16:34 Reply
  32. Titus Veridius

    Ishtar needs buffed.

    February 28, 2015 at 15:52 Reply
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