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Today, the voting started for CSM 10 and I wanted to show you guys the list of names, I will be supporting myself. Here we go:

1. Bobmon

2. Sion Kumitomo

3. Sort Dragon

4. Manfred Sidious

5. Xander Phoena

6. Bam Stroker

7. Tora Bushido

8. CoreBloodBrothers

9. Gorga

10.ย  Endie von Posts

11. Sugar Kyle

12. Corebexx

13: Open

14: Open

These are my candidates, that I would love to work with on the CSM. With your support & votes, this will happen! Thanks guys And let the voting games begin!

@BobmonEVE
VOTE BOBMON FOR CSM10

  • So i did the who i should vote for thing. http://match.eve-csm.com/index.php and I got from order of best match to least match

    1. Kasken 2. Aeon Borielle 3. Klapen 4. Purinpu 5. Jayne Fillon 6. Psychobitch 7. CatanaFleet 8. KaziKai 9.Suzy RC mudstone 10. Bam Strokern

    The 4 at the very bottom was
    Cagali
    Soul Crusher
    Sort Dragon and Masika

    I got a 53% match to bobmon, but sadly it does not look like I will be voting for him.

    • Jack Morrison

      Thanks for the link, but after the 8th or 9th question i realized the whole CSM topic ain’t worth the time to go through all those questions. (at least for me) I will rather keep the (equivalently useless) 5 minutes of my time.

      • Yeah I thought the same thing. Also there were so many questions. Holy hell! But it was easier than reading all of their bios or just blindly voting or voting the coalition line.

  • Bam Stroker

    Glad I made it onto the list, Bob. Good luck!

    • You have my vote now.

    • ExdioS

      Well I ran it, and didn’t like who it chose, so clicked close, however I’m happy to say Bam will get my vote ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Celdtrex TMcD

      Bob you were on my list before this self indulgent post. You’re def not on it now, I don’t blame you for putting yourself first, I blame you for writing a “news” article promoting yourself and acting smug about it.
      Edit: Bobmon you should be removed from this site as a contributor, this is absolutely disgraceful

  • abc123

    You know, before the CSM was formed, CCP really did come out with good stuff and I was always excited when Fan Fest came around. Now we have a bunch of back seat drivers trying to assert themselves into CCP and how the game is developed. Really?
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    Why do I need the Likes of Goons / N3 / PL / NCDot and lord forbid that retard from the CVA Block —>>> CoreBloodBrothers <<<— telling CCP what I need or anyone else in the game needs. Personally I don't see why CVA and Pets have him around. He rigs so many fights and then sells the ship required for his fixed fights to the CVA pets. Talk about lining his pockets with ISK – So Sad.
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    Anyway, CCP Sells being the bad guy. Lie – Cheat – Steal – Fuck the other players before they fuck you. So when you have the Kings of the game who Lie – Cheat – Steal on the CSM why would you not expect them to do anything else. To think otherwise is foolishness and to believe Pigs Can Fly Cause They Have Wings!!!!!
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    I have said it many times and will say it again. Abolish the CSM. Send the Power Block Puppets back to the game. Let them talk to the Dev's and CCP like everyone else during fan fest or in the forums when CCP requests input which makes it fair for all.
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    CCP Also has all the metrics of game activity and can talk to people in-game with Eve-Voice to those they see impact those metrics. Instead CCP gets input from a select few who only want to make sure their power blocks have the inside scoop of thing to come to pass on to there alts. Giving these Power Block direct access to the Dev's & CCP anytime they want is bad for the game period. For if the CSM constantly says This is bad – This is bad – this is bad. After a while the Dev's will come to believe this is bad. And from my reading of the CSM Blogs and other articles, the CSM members themselfs rarely have anything to do with what the Dev's want input on or have a clue. But hey it my opinion so flame on retards.
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    But in the end as always the Meta will win for they have the numbers and the ISK.
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    Welcome To Eve-Online

    • guest

      … and are you going to vote this year?

  • Candyman

    The truly forward thinking and innovative candidates would be offering “PLEX for Votes”, because I am a worthy charity, and 100% of your PLEX will go to support my accounts and prevent the senseless suffering of dozens of alts. Operators are standing by…

  • Deltaguy

    Fuck do you look like a gaint fucking tool with your name up top on number one. If you were to work in the csm like you do on this site it would be a wasted vote. If you were to want a vote you should focus more on doing your job here and show that you can handle shit like that. As it is you cant seem to manage a simple news website and getting articles out on time.

    • Really?

      My opinion of Bobmon aside; why would someone running for an office not say to vote for them? I kinda think the point of campaigning is getting people to vote for you and pointing out that you could goon the top of the ballot is part of that.

      Your hate is making you irrational.

      Oh, God, shoot me. I just defended Bobmon ๐Ÿ™

    • Maciej Simm

      ainters gonna aint. Politics is about visibility. IDK much about bobmon but he is visible and active in the community. That makes him a fair candidate.

      • Deltaguy

        hes visible in the fact that he runs this site beyond poorly. It takes days to get current events up. Sometimes it wont even be posted because it deals with PL and hes in PL. He has no neutrallity and is in charge of a news website.

  • teamnodaughters

    CSM NEEDS TO END

    Its devolved into satisfying your null boss/ego, it stopped being about progressing eve for the benefit of the general population long ago.

    The more and more I see CSM, the more and more I see it as just a platform to give the null “leaders” direct intel to new changes, while being able to voice their own opinion behind the cover of “CSM rep”.

    According to nullsec leaders, we needed a NPC station in every nullsec regions to ensure a permanent presence anywhere they want. They bascially wanted to preserve their own power while giving their line members something to do without having it harm their empire, fuck that noise.

    CSM was needed when CCP fucked up with Incarnea and monocles (while neglecting huge issues), those days are behind us and CCP has been kicking ass without the “input” of CSM, I know this because Pheoboe would NEVER of happen if CSM knew about it. (Based on the tears, and 0.0 Null “Leaders” petition on mitt’s site.)

    Fuck CSM, CCP just end that shit already, I mean look at nullsec, its newbie preserves, NIPS, NAPS, SUPERS Online, meta BS, and killboard epeen stroking and bragging on reddit. Thats what the “leaders of nullsec” helped usher in, and I say flush that shit down the toilet.

    • Anhenka

      Democracy does not represent the will of the people, it represents the will of the people who can be bothered to vote.

      If the majority of people in highsec can’t be bothered to vote (and CCP statistics have confirmed this in the past), then they get the same level of representation that anyone else who doesn’t bother to vote gets: None whatsoever.

      P.S: The point of the proposal on NPC nullsec pockets all across eve was to provide ways for there to be hostiles in any region, helping negate the effects of stacking many regions deep worth of blues, and decreasing the usefulness of the big blue blobs. And it was mainly pushed by the nullsec members, none of whom actually like the current status quo.

      Same situation with the JF changes. Supported by nullsec CSM as a way to tone back the power of the big blue blobs.

      And now the upcoming CSM, which will likely deal with the upcoming sov rework, in an effort to break the backs of the superpower coalitions. It’s going to be mainly nullsec CSM members pushing it, for the purpose of revitalizing nullsec through breaking up the big groups, not establishing an even more sedate normal.

      TLDR: If you want input, vote and get your friends to vote. Those who don’t participate are not entitled to any part in the input process. Also lay off the tinfoil. The people who want nullsec to splinter the most are the people in nullsec.

      • teamnodaughters

        OK GOON, you drank the Mittens kool aid and actually posted support of “NPC null pockets” aka forever bases of operation without the worry of losing assets, players voted with their feet and just left Eve because it was essentially reduced to staged/safe fights, preventing boredom, and epeen stroking on reddit.

        Also don’t pass out your kool-aid here about nullsec leaders not liking the status quote and supporting the jumprange nerfs, especially when your butthurt leadership renamed goons capital station system to “Fire CCP Grayscale”
        http://evenews24.com/2014/10/06/tweetfleet-station-name-catharsis/

        No the up coming CSM will be vestigial if CCP wants to still be in business in a few years. CCP listened to you while you turned null into STAGNATION: ONLINE and sub numbers plummeted, game only came back to life after Pheobe came out and the main feature was helping to curb nullsec power projection

        The market has spoken, large mega coalitions with renters and the ability to dominate nullsec while agreeing not to seriously hurt the other mega coalition’s RMT empire IS BAD FOR BUSINESS.

        • Anhenka

          Um… wrong on many accounts. First of all, I live in a region with an NPC space. Delve. And it’s a major pain in the ass. People live there and then run around killing bads left and right and camping pipes when people are moving to ops and shit.

          Russians live there and blops everything that they can see within jump range of the NPC pocket. Goon reavers staged caps there for a while to back up their nearby operation. Having NPC space in your region is certainly no asset to the regions owners.

          No large coalition group would use a nullsec NPC station as a primary staging location because it’s so stupidly easy to camp people into them, so I’m not quite sure what you are blathering on about “forever bases”. The only time you would ever evac assets to a nullsec NPC location is when you are getting your ass handed to you, and even then you would probably choose to evac to lowsec, not NPC null.

          Oddly enough, you seem to be having trouble with the idea that people in null think that the current arrangement blows, and wants it to change asap.

          But I suppose I can’t keep you from jamming the tinfoil down and screaming about how it’s all an evil masterplan orchestrated by the goons and how everyone wants everything to stay the same.

          P.S: not a goon. Never a goon. Fuck that with a rake.

          • teamnodaughters

            Thats strange, the most active/dangerous systems is always in Catch so this “NPC pocket active fun zone BS” is nonsense. NPC is around because stations can’t be flipped and locked down, and the big guys want these unconquerable stations everywhere so they don’t end up like Solar and have their assets trapped in station

            You honestly think goons, NC, N3, or PL are gonna get camped in a NPC station, by fucking who exactly? They aren’t fighting each other and have deep reserves of ships and pilots, nobodies camping shit unless its the mega coalitions.

            Let me say this again… NPC stations are risk free base of operations that allow you to get to your super/fleet cache using jump clones to make sure you snuff out anything that tries to make a ruckus.

            Yes null leaders want change… of course they don’t want that change fucking with their status quo, just everyone elses; hence the NPC station BS that was desperately pitched when CCP announced it was gonna nerf force projection.

            P.S. Tin foil insults are lame as hell, its 2015 the cool kids insult spelling and grammar when they’re losing an argument

        • Frans Bovens

          Mate he s right in most of it, if nulk sec breaks, it doesnt matter much if you are a goon , n3 or in my case providence. If there is nothing to shoot and conquer and no game left to play then what. Yiu cant blame eve players for pushng eve to the max and breaking every meta ccp made, its in human nature. As provi csm i am ofc not a true null seccer in the eyes of many , but so far i have seen a csm pushing for alot of stuff aimed at inhabiting null. a challening environment is wanted. We embraced fรกtique,i even wrote a out it before i made csm , except i called it cooldown timers. Same goes for isboxing, jf change, and stuff which is often not mentioned, alot of change too new player experience, of which alot os yet to come, but cant tell yet. If u bitter then either run yourself, or if u gave up carring, go play another game maybe and come back once u have foudn your burning eve heart. This might sound naive, but thas how i run my csm term, greetz corebloodbrothers

          • teamnodaughters

            “Mate he s right in most of it, if nulk sec breaks”

            Dude have you looked around? Its already broke, things don’t happen because group A wants groups Bs space and recources because its expanding while group B is dying… shit happens for killboards, lulz, and chest bumping. Even Provi was “shocked” and couldn’t respond to T1 Moas when BNI was playing for real, and taking space.

            Look when N3/PL had to install BNI into Catch just to not die of boredom… you know shit is way past broken

  • Slevin-Kelevra

    Wow if that is not the biggest list of circle jerking game ruining retards I have ever seen. Is there anyone there not part of a game breaking, stagnant, POS coalition? The CSM is such a joke, alliances get there nerds to vote for the people who will support their game controlling agenda and the people who actual care and want change get ignored.

    I for one will not be voting for almost anyone of this list.

    • AFK

      Apparamtly there’s teams within ccp that pay no attention to csm at all, so I’d say they know what’s up. Which makes sense I know if I was there working hard every day and some motherfucker who last logged in 2 months ago started telling me how to do my job I’d think it was a bad joke.

  • Afk

    Around four people on that list worth a damn. The rest, the usual “meta-gaming” never-log-in motherfuckers who should biomass and fuck off already.

  • truth

    FUCK YOU DONT VOTE FOR SORT DRAGON

  • Senex Legio 1

    The whole vote slate thing is so sad, even in internet spaceships.

  • Afk

    Is there anyone who wants to look at sort dragons name, and in a straight face tell me CSMs are only in it becuase “they lve the game and just want to help improve it” and not for the ego trip. Go ahead and tell me that in a straight face. (Obviously he’s not the only one you could pick from these candidates).

  • GFY

    Xenuria needs voted in, for the simple fact that it will piss so many people off, and to annoy a few CCP employees. This stuff is useless anyhow, might as well have some fun with it.

  • GrouchyOldGamer

    Why isn’t Endie number one on that list?

    • Endiefan

      Because he is a douchebag?

      • Endie

        Wait me or bobmon this is important.

        • Endiefan

          Who do you think?

      • Speedy

        Is anyone more of a douchebag than Sion?

        What has this guy done for the CSM in the last year except metagaming and mudslinging?

  • Frans Bovens

    Corebloodbrothers here, i met bob at evesterdam and his dedication for eve is real, if u can s spare a slot, give him a vote, eve always can use a shot of anti bittervet from a eve youngster, ofc aftehr u out me high on oyur ballot hehe, greetz, core

    • Bobmon

      TY!

  • Iusetobelieve

    I cant think of a more practical way to show how useless the CSM really is other than voting bobmon into it.

  • Useless

    “Tomorrow, the voting started” … no insight, lazy to even proofread three words that makeup the whole useless post.

    You’ll surely have my vote.

  • lol

    ”I would love to work with on the CSM.”

  • You Silly Boy

    IP banning your supporters isn’t very wise. You’re now 11 votes down. Your immaturity really seems to be increasing and it’s not doing you any favours.

    • Bobmon

      There has been 0 moderation done by me in this comment section

      • You Silly Boy

        I didn’t say it was in this comment section. You need to learn to deal with the viewpointa of others in a mature fashion if you’re ever going to be a viable candidate.

        • Noisrevbus

          Like you did with your choice of name and declaration of downvotes?

          Such inspiring maturity.

          • You Silly Boy

            “declaration of downvotes”

            Indeed, myself and every other disappointed voter in every election everywhere, ever.

            Please try harder to divert the discussion away from the original point.

          • Noisrevbus

            Every voter may choose to place votes where they please.

            Every voter does not make pseudo-supportive public declaration full of spiteful attitude about it. Respecting the viewpoints of others and all that.

            Only the “immature” do. Was that not the original point?

            You are asking Bobmon to rise above, for subjective reasons rather than his objective platform, but fail to do so yourself.

  • Expert Opinion

    Corbexx should be way up there as he has been one of the most productive members of CSM 9.

    • Frans Bovens

      corbexx indeed deserves a spot and votes, greetz coreblood

  • gert

    A PL based CSM …. perfect as always LOL

    should be no problem to “fix” jump fatigue for supers and get rid of that “shit”. hot drop around the clock again ….

    • Smurf

      +1 I fully agree, the whole list is a joke…….Com’mon……

    • Manny

      Except that I was one of the most vocal people in favor of power projection nerfs. You know one of the FCs from PL.

      • gert

        yes, and the shit didn’t run very well for PL.

  • omnomnom

    weird, i dont care about CSM.

  • Bob

    I think the CSM idea is worn out and no one these days could care less or vote.

  • nullbeer

    Many if only bobmom could fill his slots with bobmon

  • meofcourse

    VOTE FOR THORIC FROSTHAMMER
    And get of my LAWN :p

  • Clearly Stupid

    I did the vote match thingy and Sort dragon was lowest with 0% match

  • lunchreader

    no vote for CFC or N3 or anything too big that says freaking things like: “don’t allow cloakers to sit so that we can pve afk”, “don’t allow High sec to be that rewarding compared to null sec” while they are blowing miners and transports in high sec and sit in pve sites in carriers and finally no I don’t give any credit to people that have a so narrowed view that they think that their stagnating confilct is the most important thing in EVE so important that they have to create content, a word that should be banned in such an opened MMO.

    • Noisrevbus

      – It’s not their conflict that is stagnant, it’s every conflict. It’s all about balance. It’s not the big blocs leaving the game, it’s the small inventive and diverse groups; while no new such groups come to take their place. I know that some people would like to believe their conflict is working just fine, but that is either down to inexperience or blind defiance and at least the former will learn with time or when directly faced with the same issues as everyone else.

      – You don’t find it sickening that all of us, as players, have to impose self-regulating extra rules upon ourselves to avoid those imbalances and force unemergent content? Rules that imply not using certain ships even if you like them, or not interacting with players you could interact with to get more content for more players.

      – You don’t find it odd that you make more money with a smaller/cheaper ship in a safer place than a larger/more expensive ship in a more dangerous place? L4 missions have higher rewards than L1 missions by the same principles, should we reverse that too?

      – Most nullsec people enjoy cloaking. It’s rarely experienced bloc-level players who are against it, more often inexperienced players who do not maintain their own space in nullsec. Any experienced player understands the corrolation between “afk cloaking” and structure hitpoint imbalance. That’s why there is so much talk about sovereignity now. It’s related.

      I get that you picked a couple of common topics from these news sites, that you have no clue about, to let off some steam against perceived enemies. However, if punishing your enemies or ignoring other players concerns is more important to you than dealing with obvious issues that involve all of us to some degree, then we’re at a level of irresponsible stupidity. At least look at the separate issues and try to understand them instead of just running your mouth to rile against the other.

      • Frans Bovens

        Screw afk cloacking btw

        • Noisrevbus

          Won’t be needed after a sov revamp ;).

    • Provi Miner

      The idea behind AFK cloaking is to make sure no one AFK mines or rats because AFK’ing is a bad. So the question is why make some players be responsible while not making others responsible. AFK cloaking should come with some activity/mechanism or something. Just to keep the AFK cloaking folks be at their Key boards. My opinion is that if AFK is bad for ratting and mining then shouldn’t it be bad for Cloaky camping?

      • Noisrevbus

        My friend, AFK cloaking have absolutely nothing to do with AFK mining or ratting. It does have to do with players going AFK and the balance of PvE (mining and ratting) and PvP, but not in such a direct matter. It has to do with the imbalance of active hunting to infrastructure.

        Look at it like this: you live in a system, you sit in a frigate and run a hacking site there. I come into your system in a frigate and try to shoot you. We are both active. You warp to a POS and proceed to go AFK there. The POS has a gazillion hitpoints with which my lone frigate can do nothing.

        I am active, you are passive. You either expect me to get bored and leave or you wait in perfect safety, for any amount of time needed, amass a superior force, blockade the system and start probing to win in very short order.

        I can cloak to buy myself similar time to you, by avoiding the probes. Alternatively I can log onto my bloc-level main and call in 20 Supers (or 250 Bombers) that RF your tower in 2mins. A timer starts (which amusingly enough is shorter than it takes a single frigate to RF the POS to begin with, even though it’s counted in days). Now you are forced to be active, giving me content or you will have to yield the system whereupon I place my own infrastructure or you negotiate the right to erect new infrastructure from me.

        Clearly, that leap from two Frigates to 20 Supers (or 250 Bombers) is quite the scale change and gap in content.

        Any player who is afraid of a cloaked Frigate would also be afraid of an uncloaked Frigate, and rely upon other players and imbalances to deal with it. If you are to occupy space and live in no security systems, that implies you should be able to deal with such content in a balanced manner.

        That’s why AFK cloaking exist.

        • Provi Miner

          just so I am clear here: your ability to cloak is the counter to my ability to safe up?

          • Noisrevbus

            People AFK cloak to deal with “safe up” (AFK in POS), yes.

            Or rather, small-scale’s inability to deal with infrastructure-level content (along with local intel or changes like PvE moved from close belts to remote sites, direct/indirect mobility nerfs or other changes to fleet scale-balance and the ease of probing: should we compare present EVE to old EVE). There is root cause and smaller exacerbating issues that have made AFK cloaking more prevalent over time as other options have disappeared from the game.

            I don’t AFK cloak, I drop 20 Supers on your tower.

          • Provi Miner

            I don’t believe you, provi always fleets up afk clockers stay cloaked. They don’t do it because they want content.

          • Noisrevbus

            I must say that it is a bit cringeworthy that your only response to my explanation about infrastructure is that you don’t “believe it”, as if it was a matter of belief or player psychology, only to later go on and talk about player psychology. Either way, I’ll try to give you a few questions to think about with regard to that as well:

            Do you fleet up in ships and numbers comparable to theirs, in a timely fashion, relative their time actively waiting for you to fleet up? Eg., if there is one guy in the system, do you actively hunt him back yourself? If there are a handful of them, do you immidiately fleet up with your few friends in local or do you wait for an FC to come online and amass a larger, purpose-built fleet in your staging system?

            On a player mindset level: The reason you see AFK cloakers in Provi but not in Syndicate or Curse is that in those regions the inhabitants will have immidiate contingencies, either by actively hunting back or by passively laying traps to bait out a direct attack for counter-attack – rather than amassing a fleet, based upon the mentioned imbalances (blockading, probing), only to singlesidedly route out an uncloaked threat. Such fleets do not provide good content. Conversely, in the other two examples you don’t need to cloak to get a direct comparable response so cloaky ships are often disadvantageous for you with their lower combat abilities and you rarely see them.

            Then again, same as how you fall back to routine, I’m sure some AFK cloakers do too. In that very moment they are only there to AFK cloak but that has nothing to do with the root cause or how you can adapt your routines to deal with them for when they are active. As with the mechanical balance, their behaviour is just a reflection of your behaviour. Instead of looking at yourself, take a look at- and think about why other regions or more successful groups don’t use/face it.

            That goes in line with my earlier comment about why most of nullsec do not mind cloaking.

          • Provi Miner

            I don’t mind cloaking I do mind AFK cloaking. there is a difference I have hunted cloaked and I move cloaked. What I don’t do and as a matter of personal preference is go AFK in space.

          • Noisrevbus

            If it’s just a personal preference, then that is fine. The only thing I take exception to is when some players try to influence other players (or the developers) based on incorrect assumptions :).

          • Provi Miner

            you could be right, but I think the correct counter to docking up is to leave and look for someone else not to camp the system and go have dinner and movie. To me at least AFK in space is AFK in space. I guess where you and I differ is that you consider AFK in station to be the same as AFK in space. Other than that I think we mostly agree.

          • Noisrevbus

            That may be a small distinction of difference, but an important one. See, same as how AFK cloakers may not really be AFK, AFK safe-ups may not be AFK. Online is online afterall. Think about your last suggestion and then think about that most local intel comes from players who are safed up. Safed up “AFK” players are as such very detrimental to leaving and looking for someone else, because they are the people updating intel channels.

            It does a number of other things too: It let’s you feed intel to a fleet-up, see starbase messages if they attack your infra or simply let you immidiately see when it is entirely safe for you to undock or de-safe again. If you are forced offline (same as an uncloaked offender when blockade probes come out) there is much more uncertainty and possible content to login to, especially these days since log-off mechanics have been changed to aid someone with system superiority as well. That is a good example of a small, related but overlooked, change in a row of similar changes the past few years that has made up-engagement increasingly difficult (mutual content-creation with it).

          • Provi Miner

            almost agree if it were not possible to fairly quickly tell who is docked and who isn’t, (the who being if you are a solo red in a system with 9 blues and the map says 9 docked you can be pretty sure you are not one of those 9). intel should favor the owner. I say should because a good cloaked camper is better intel than locals after all. The cloaked player has all the advantages with none of the disadvantages.

          • Noisrevbus

            Why should intel favour the owner? Why should anything favour the owner as much as it does? Afterall, that is part of the root cause here. That so much advantage is favoured an on-paper owner rather than a temporary occupant of the system. That goes inline with all recent talk about “occupancy sov” and why occupancy models, same as active defensive routines or extra-infrastructural approaches, like Super blobs, simply turns AFK-cloaking into a non-issue :).

            If you safe up you do not occupy the system. If you can safe up until you can re-occupy the system, nothing is lost or requires repair (again, unless I have extra-infrastrucutral assets and can surpass that barrier of entry into content). Groups who have such assets under the current model never need to cloak and groups who actively defend their space despite the current model (or “hold” space outside sov or pos, or in hybrid space) can also make cloaking an inferior alternative to non-cloaking.

            If you look around the game:
            GSF – may not have intricate defense but have super-infra resources.
            NPC null – have limited super-infra resources but has intricate defense.
            PL – has both intricate defense and super-infra resources.

            At the same time, the GSF probably have more intricate defense than many lower tier holders while some NPC null groups have enough super-infra resources (or relationships that enable them, despite personal preference to avoid using them) to locally rout out infra claims. They have bits of both.

            While “NPC null” is a poor definition, lacking any outstanding examples of it’s own these days, it goes on to suggest that AFK cloaking is a very limited issue to regions and players that lack both good defensive routines and good infra-level weight of punch. In your specific case it goes back to the overarching issue where Provi is allowed to be Provi for community-wide cultural reasons and certain balance rather than mechanics or the truth others are subject to. It’s really quite the paradox, because despite the issues you may face with “occupancy” you are also the ideal of what “occupancy” would look like as an old coalition who still organize and play in old-EVE manner :).

          • Provi Miner

            Provi is and isn’t allowed anything. while it is true sov could be taken by the powers, taking and holding are two vastly different creatures. I point to a time when PL took parts of provi, they found “owning” on paper to be a stone cold pain because the owners (occupancy) chose to make it so. I agree that provi works more on an occupancy point, and that leads back to the AFK cloaked player. Just because he is undocked does not make him any more an occupying player than the one who docked. Both could be AFK Both are doing nothing to contribute to the system, both are not creating content. BTW PL didn’t leave because of AFK cloaked players they left cause everything they did was attacked and hammered night and day.

          • Noisrevbus

            I also remember when Provi overstepped it’s unwritten relationship to it’s neighbour in AAA who broke the region and installed it’s own thunderdome until the larger bloc war effort swooped up the region much later and then left it unattended. It wasn’t hammered night and day then, it was silent for a year.

            PL may shake up your infra to solicit fights (as per the reasons outlined above), but they’ve never tried “owning” your region. In fact, the situation is quite similar to what you see with them and the content in your neighbouring regions today.

            That example is similar to all the other examples: Don’t be defiant and look to yourself or the image you hold of yourself. Take a step back and look at the actual balance of things. When they last did a public inventory they had 800 players, all of which have capital assets. They can reinforce your infra at tremendous speed if they have any interest in it. It took them just a few weeks to grind out all the Dronelands despite defensive effort from a larger coalition.

            That you can pull back to Amarr lowsec, is definately an occupancy aspect of the game. However, you mistake your opponents intentions and you have to look at the ease with which they can affect infra to your dependence on it and pace of or ability to rebuild it. It may be hard for you to understand, but that is them being “nice” to you, because the game is more potentially much worse.

            Another good example, and I have often used it to illustrate things to other seclusive parts of the sandbox, is RnK. They make for a good example since they took it upon themselves to try different corners of the sandbox and documented it very well. They were down in Provi too, no? Look at how much of the content they managed to affect despite being so relatively small.

            Provi is just a region after all. The same can be said about Wormholes, in effect, WH is just a region. FW are just two-four regions. There are many groups like RnK, each NPC null region have about 10 of them at any time, they spend most of their time neighbouring oneanother and occassionally solicit other areas for lower tier content (the “reds” that come to you and do not cloak). Most of them are the size and punch-weight of RnK, where each NPC-region had more content and less dominance than WH, FW or Provi, despite easier access to agression (less infra, restocking and timers).

            My point here is not to cheer for other regions or groups but rather to make you understand the relationship between infrastructure and AFK cloaking, and the ease of which the other groups can affect infrastructure. It may challenge your self-image but you are largely allowed to keep the infrastructure thanks to being the ideal of what space should be like. Take pride in the latter instead.

            The distinction you make between taking and holding is interesting, because while we talk about infrastructure with regards to taking it, being able to deal with AFK cloakers is part of holding it. The comment about fallback measures would imply that you are good at holding (occupying) the region, while your comments about AFK cloaking would suggest the hold is mired by cloakers.

            Grinding out a couple of PL staging towers say nothing about your hold. A group of RnK’s ability that would turn to prolonged cloaking efforts would say more. The current cloakers down there are likely nowhere near such tenacity.

          • Provi Miner

            no doubt you are right

          • Noisrevbus

            I know I am.

          • Barkaway

            I dont know, i mean yeah sure both types of afk pilots exist, but I remember when i used to be in 0.0 we had the kind that were always online almost from DT to DT and he got kills but it was not in the same timeframe all the time, which means that he was the type that was really afk most of the time and only checking from time to time.. To me thats just wrong, yes i know you can try to bait him and at some point you might be lucky, but most of the time you are not so you need to be paranoid 24/7 and in the long run its gonna shut the system down, the cloaker knows that and thats why most cloakers are someones alt so they can either do shit on their main..
            Im not really against cloaky campers, i just find it wrong that its possible to afk camp in that way..

          • Provi Miner

            oh and thank you for your thought out responses it is kinda rare here and I thank you for them

          • Herp Derpison

            As someone who cloaky camps provi, I can garuntee you that we do it for the laughs and content that provi provides us.

      • WiNGSPANTT

        Some people don’t believe you should be able to make ISK without actually playing the game. As far as I know sitting somewhere cloaked doesn’t make ISK… you know, unless someone pays you to do it!

        • Provi Miner

          then you have never afk camped a system before, lol.

    • Really?

      So, you want to totally block a large part of the Eve population from having a say about what happens in their own neighborhood because your jimmies were rustled while carebearing in hisec.

      How about you let the nullsec guys get on the CSM during the year that CCP has said it’s going to work on sov so that they can create some content for themselves that’s better than ganking your hulk once a year. M’kay?

      • lunchreader

        I’m not in high sec, I’m in null sec, and we don’t deserve that much attention compared to High sec which is the living ground of the players starting the game and thus the living roots of the game. It does not need to be harder, it needs to be safer.

        • Guest

          So you support bolstering highsec, making it a haven where people will stagnate worse then nullsec due to a lack of consequences, because a portion of the big blocks in nullsec cry about their ratting carriers getting caught? I hate to tell you this but most of us in these big power blocs look down poorly against those who afk rat and believe they are entitled to afk rat… whether it be in null or high.

  • Dick Hauser

    EVE is dead. CSM no longer needed.

    • ExPlayerIsBitch

      lol, yeah, I left while I was a head, kind of hoping I’d be wrong and so to return one day to relive the dream… but seeing the online stats declining, the price of PLEX increasing, miner bumping still being bad, and the huge REACTIVE buttons on CCP’s pages shouting for attention … no. I am not going to. Go, die already. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • FU

    Do NOT VOTE for these names!!

  • O Dear

    Tomorrow, the voting “started” <— WTF.

  • Provi Miner

    why vote? the answer is simple if you want any voice other than forum postings and wallet protesting this is your only chance. I know that for us in provi core accepts mail and convo’s and will at least pretend to listen to the concerns of his voter base.

  • Random CFC Grunt

    Remarkably similar to the order suggested by the CFC… No, I’ll not vote like this. My number 1 vote will go to Chance Ravinne (no joke actually, his youtube channel has provided me with more fun throughout the last couple of months than the nullsec ‘content’), others … no idea, Sion and Endie will be there. The rest? Fuck them.

  • WiNGSPANTT

    I’m sorry but it’s spelled “Chance Ravinne,” not “OPEN.”

    • CSMisirrelevantdumbasses

      Hey wingsplit bet yer voting for that freakshow xen, aren’t you? Maybe you two could make a really great (creepy) video. You could be like all crazy excited like when yer getting ready to ganK some minor except you’d be slathering the KY on Xen’s ass and he be all stoic and goth until you stuck it in… I got it, you could call it The joy of Xen-tard or maybe Xen pays the rent….nope better yet Xen-Tard full throttle!!!!

    • Matterall

      Haha, very nice chance.

  • derby derbington

    Despite words spoken, looks a bit donut-ish. There are a few on there that basically have no value but are steadfast members of the boys club.

  • Grandpa

    Where the hell is Steve Ronuken? Why would you want 8 guys with same opinion on every subject rather than putting in someone like Steve?

    • Barkaway

      Well because hes part of the old guard in null.. why would he have someone in the CSM that doesnt mean the same as him?=)

  • Swesal

    Idiotic how many nullsec dudes are on that list. You need five knowledgeable nullsec dudes at most.

  • FU Bob

    EVE will be so much better without all these fake politicians… ahhh, I mean CSM members.

    • Manny

      FWIW I am not a politician nor do I have the desire to be. I do however love Eve and have a ton of knowledge about the game.

      • Fu too

        And you do what exactly dickhead?

        • Internet Lawyer

          If you weren’t such a dickhead yourself then you’d know what he does.

  • Kalamu

    Bob, I didn’t vote for you, because you oppose Walking in Stations. Sorry mate, but I want WiS.

    • WeeWEE

      Yes, I also would like to be able to relieve myself in station ๐Ÿ˜›

  • I </3 Structures

    CSM would be much more meaningful if each seat had a clear link to Eve’s core space / activities.

    – Null Sov + Anoms
    – Wormholes
    – Incursions
    – Missions + General High Sec
    – Faction Warfare + General Low Sec

    Each category has a couple seats ensuring a diverse representation of the game at large.

    A candidate can only be voted into a particular category to avoid over representation like we’ve seen in null.

  • afk

    X Factor for men.

  • On the way to the polls

    Wow … not only am I not voting for you, I am not voting for any of your choices except one. Keeping the ‘Old Guard’ in place is bad for the game. Putting people who profit from the game in Real Life is bad for the game. Voting for people who do not understand new blood does not mean dumbdown the game is bad for the game. Only one person in your list ‘gets it’ … and it is not you.

    • csmjokers

      +10

  • Sienna

    Bam Stroker is the only one I this list worth a vote

  • Tora Bushido

    I think some in here are in need of a group hug.

    • Truth sayer

      I for one will be voting for Tora he gets the big picture of the eve community! He understands there is more than one type of player in eve. What different players like to do. Not just to push his merc side of the game!

  • Truth sayer

    It’s funny that null sec alliances say there no content but make major coalitions and renters. If they reset a lot of there blues and stopped rental shit, maybe you would have more entities for content!

    • Thatguy

      most nullsec’ers want content controlled by them. What you’re suggesting is turning off the isk faucet and giving space to any old hobo to squat in. Unacceptable for the space elite!

      • Truth sayer

        I know but thats the only way they will get content! its not my fault they are lazy ass’s and expect others to pay for there ships, but cry no content. Its on Vince Draken and Mittani for this and PL scrub lords for attemping to show there supercap supremacy when they created BoT! They attack brave since they cant handle any true null sec group!

        • Thatguy

          You misread the situation. PL are attacking brave, because they know they will fight back and lose ships doing so. Whereas other groups are less inclined to fight unless they stand a chance of winning. PL doesn’t want to lose their fleet, so they’re playing easymode for their killboard.
          It has nothing to do with individuals or BoT.

          • Truth sayer

            That’s right to pad there killboard since they can’t guys who will make there killboard red! They have to use spies to drop sov to get a fight, spais to get in brave fleets to warp them to a pos, seriously that’s an alliance that can longer take on a sustained true entity that’s equal to PL!

          • Thatguy

            not really “spies” to invite people and warp them, tbh.