Everyone knows changes are coming, but no one knows exactly what those changes will bring. These developments make for fertile fields of speculation. Most of the thought fodder has been spent on the impact to the big boys, their pets, and the hungry mob waiting just beyond the borders.

There is another side of a possible occupancy-based SOV mechanic which I feel is worthy of some attention. Like Macauley Culkin in “Home Alone”, some small alliances and even corporations may wake up one morning to find themselves in charge of the system. SOV in this case may well prove to be a white elephant. Now that you have it, just what the hell you going to do with it? Let’s walk through some of the scenarios that are possible in this eventuality.

Maybe the former owner does not have the resources or will to reclaim the system. It may be too far from their base of operations or perhaps they realize they do not have the headcount to occupy the system properly under the new SOV mechanics. This doesn’t mean they will just wish you the best and go off quietly about their business. Odds are good they will approach you about some sort of mob-style protection ISK. If you don’t agree to pay each month, they come in and kick over your station. Oh wait, my Providence history is showing, if you live in most of null sec space you don’t have a station. Good luck sneaking one into your newly acquired system. Space just got big again, remember? You might be looking at multiple jumps through neutral maybe even hostile space. Either way, the former overlords may choose to come in and kick over your sandcastle in whatever form it may take be that station or POS.

Control over all the precious moon goo is based on moon control and not sovereignty. So even now that you own system XYZ, you still have to deal with your former overlord or some other squatter sitting on that R64 moon you have always wanted. You will need to roll up your sleeves and smash down their POS if you want to start bathing in that sweet moon goo.

During any crisis which disrupts travel, be it a hurricane, earthquake, or war, people quickly run out of the basic items we count on to make our day-to-day life as pleasant as they are. The day before Hurricane Katrina hit, people want another game for their Xbox 360. A week afterwards, they were trading the entire system for a couple gallons of clean water and a roll of toilet paper. Our hypothetical null sec system may well face similar shortages. Basic components and modules will no longer be just a few, relatively safe jumps to the store and back. You will have to establish trade routes, start up cottage industries, or learn to go without. The same issue will be facing those people wanting to move goods to markets in places such as Jita or elsewhere.

At the height of the Roman Empire, the land was mostly free of large bands of marauders. Sure there were random highwayman and no doubt thieves lurked in the heart of many large cities, but any group large enough to cause a significant problem was soon dealt with by the local Roman garrison. When the Empire fell, often the troops which formerly made up the local protective garrison set about the business of becoming marauders themselves in order to feed their various and sundry appetites. This situation may repeat itself in the wilderness areas of null sec. System XYZ can no longer count on a large organized force to respond to any banditry or other assaults which may beset them. In fact, the fleet which weeks ago you counted on to gate camp the entrance to your system now schedule regular raids into your nether regions. You will need to find a way to defend yourself if you have any hope of hanging on to the system which falls into your lap.

Hopefully, alliances and corporations such as the hypothetical one listed here have used the last several weeks and months to prepare themselves for just such a possibility. This preparation could be political, in that they will roll themselves into another larger alliance or they may be girding their loins for combat to hold what they’ve always secretly wanted. Just today a report broke of a large SOV transfer. This may well be individuals preparing for what they see as an inevitable future. One thing is for certain Eve is most likely about to get even more interesting.


  1. yoyo


    October 17, 2014 at 22:35 Reply
    1. Varesk

      you should screen shot that post so you can show it to all of your friends and maybe your future kids. i am sure they all will be happy that were able to post “first” in a thread. congrats on achieving your life goal.

      October 18, 2014 at 19:36 Reply
      1. yoyo

        tu tu tu.
        Seeing you go emo and kill your family made my day. 🙂

        October 18, 2014 at 22:31 Reply
      2. Yiehaa Tahula

        BL grunt….he mad.

        October 18, 2014 at 22:37 Reply
  2. BearNClear

    Since the first announcements of changes to Jump Drives and the possible changes coming to Sov, We as renters have already started to take steps. As I have previously said here, we will be ready, whether that allows us to keep our systems we current rent, only time will tell, but we will gladly give who ever tries to take it off us, one hell of a fight. Assets in this game are virtual, and everything is replaceable. Bring it on!

    October 17, 2014 at 23:12 Reply
    1. NoirWolf

      Not possible changes to sov, eventual changes, jump drive changes are phase one, sov changes start in phase 2 and end in phase 3.

      October 18, 2014 at 00:12 Reply
      1. BearNClear

        Sorry mate changes are not confirmed, Yes they are going to change, but how no one knows for sure. hence all changes are possible. Stop picking hairs.

        October 18, 2014 at 00:18 Reply
      2. Tarhok

        phase 2 and 3 are…when?
        2016-2017? Whem Mittani approves it?

        October 19, 2014 at 19:34 Reply
    2. noway

      Thats the spirit!

      October 18, 2014 at 11:12 Reply
    3. teamnodaughters

      Its all well and good till BL rolls in

      October 18, 2014 at 18:48 Reply
      1. BearNClear

        Really don’t care if they do, we are happy to fight who ever, and if we loose so be it. We will just relocate.

        October 18, 2014 at 22:48 Reply
      2. imsosly

        BL was borderline irrelevant before.. Now with jump nerf, they will fall to the side of complete irrelevance.

        October 18, 2014 at 23:43 Reply
    4. or you could take the sov for yourselfs instead of being mindless drones .

      October 18, 2014 at 19:46 Reply
      1. BearNClear

        mindless drones lol, Taking Sov? no, no real interest in holding Sov, because there is no way in hell we could ever hold it longer than a few days, when some one bigger walks in. The game mechanic at present makes it almost impossible to hold Sov if you are a smaller entity. We have good members, but we aren’t stupid enough to try and put our small numbers up against a gang that can continue to escalate out the wazoo. That’s the current issue, if we put 50 man fleet on field to take a system, within minutes there is a counter of 200+ carriers and supers. That’s still going to happen after this patch, and unless there is major changes to Sov, it will continue to happen then too.

        Sov is a goal we just can’t be bothered with, hence we rent. Show me some other way of doing it, and we will happily try. But at present its pointless.

        October 18, 2014 at 22:57 Reply
  3. Pick a Name

    This Rupert guy writes this as if EVE is just a huge pain in the ass, and I shouldn’t want to play. Sure somone my POS, and I can shoot their ships. Whats your point? The whole OP seems like it’s being written from someone that doesn’t want to play EVE. Yes you could lose a POS, or ten, and you could kil ten times as much, or not, welcome to EVE……. if killing dudes, and risk being killed yourself in the process, then maybe EVE isn’t for you.

    October 18, 2014 at 01:32 Reply
  4. Jaime Gomes

    I think the entire magnitude of phoebe will only be accurately measured once the promised ncp areas are fully functional and deployed. Ex: npc areas in drone regions and cobalt edge and so on.

    October 18, 2014 at 13:30 Reply
    1. Sjörövar Fabbe

      nah, it will show as successful when more people will be online. If active and online accounts drop, CCP will realize another fail happend to them…

      October 18, 2014 at 13:33 Reply
      1. Jaime Gomes

        Well they could make some sort of promotion to people with x+ months outside of eve to come back. 20% sub discount or something. Although i believe more people will log in.

        October 18, 2014 at 13:36 Reply
        1. Sjörövar Fabbe

          do not take shert term effects into account. Is remains to be seen whether this wil help EVE or not. I doubt it and the magnitude of different changes jsut tells me that I will take 3 days off of EVE and relog when the patches are patched..

          October 18, 2014 at 13:46 Reply
      2. Knork

        At first, numbers will drop. many bittervets will unsub their chars and their cyno alts. But over time, many other players will find EVE interesting again and return. The question is wether more players enjoy EVE in the long term after these changes, or not. And that’s something nobody can say for certain and is a business decision. But imho a good one.

        October 18, 2014 at 14:27 Reply
  5. heh

    I don’t think that’s quite accurate. You can have a rental empire just fine so long as you don’t have people challenging you from outside. Renters are going to rent unless forced to do something else. Moon Goo empire can still run, just slightly slower with the JFs. The problem you are going to see is with how the big blue empires deal with attacks on multiple fronts from enemies, if the enemies are willing to bring it. That’s the big question here. Are the enemies willing to bring it… and are there enough people in the game to even be enemies in the first place? Empires want to hold and stay together, and they can so long as no one challenges them. What the patch does is make it easier for them to be challenged with a multiple front attack. You still have to challenge them though.

    October 18, 2014 at 13:33 Reply
    1. Knork

      Exactly. But with these changes, you at least have a fighting chance – if and only if you decide to take that chance.

      October 18, 2014 at 14:29 Reply
  6. Ltd SpacePig

    Short term nothing will change.

    October 18, 2014 at 13:39 Reply
    1. imsosly

      You are sad. Blind and sad. An entire REGION was just transferred. LOL. And the patch HASN’T EVEN HIT!

      October 18, 2014 at 23:41 Reply
      1. Ltd SpacePig

        It’s a change from one landlord to another one. Same thing, same shit.

        October 18, 2014 at 23:45 Reply
        1. FuckYouGermanGaylord

          now take your fag alliance into some herman forest and bugger each other to death

          o /o/:DANCES ON N3S GRAVE

          October 20, 2014 at 01:47 Reply
        2. FuckYouGermanGaylord

          now take your fag alliance into some herman forest and bugger each other to death

          o /o/:DANCES ON N3S GRAVE

          October 20, 2014 at 01:47 Reply
          1. Really?

            Did Piggy touch you in the no-no spot?

            October 20, 2014 at 12:35
  7. LOL

    I love these ”what ifs” make’s me want to dust off my tinfoil hat soon my friend you shall be free….

    October 18, 2014 at 14:10 Reply
  8. Flippant

    “What Could the Phoebe release mean for current renters?” Hopefully a swift and bloody death.

    October 18, 2014 at 14:18 Reply
    1. hoodaticus

      Only for the stupid ones.

      October 18, 2014 at 18:23 Reply
      1. imsosly

        Trust me, most renters are stupid. They were deer during 23.5/7/365 hunting season in officially sanctioned forests seen after by CFC/PL/N3 and they didn’t even realize it. Renters are dumber than bricks.

        October 18, 2014 at 23:39 Reply
        1. hoodaticus

          Provi aren’t renters – yet.

          October 19, 2014 at 18:25 Reply
          1. provi resident

            is there any subject in eve that doesnt involve provi? especially in this context? 🙂

            October 19, 2014 at 22:31
      2. Jus Sayin
        October 19, 2014 at 19:15 Reply
        1. hoodaticus

          You win

          October 20, 2014 at 01:58 Reply
  9. HAL 9000.1

    Everyone of these post just points out the potential downfalls to the new patch which are only issues if you don’t even attempt to adjust how you play the game, not one even focuses on the benefits of the patch which there are many.

    All this doom and gloom over running out of supplies is such lies, especially now JFs go 10lys. Just use whs for the love of god. Down in stain we only use whs for logistics, never used a JF, and pretty much every other day we find a highsec wh to move goods through.

    If you don’t want to adapt that’s your fault and probably deserve to die horribly…

    October 18, 2014 at 17:36 Reply
  10. Dracvlad

    Its good to see the commentators on this blog understand that what will be required is attacks from multiple directions, whats also important is people happy to tie up the main line forces and people willing to camp key choke points, even just bubbling someone so they cannot jump for a while i all adding to the pot.

    Some guys who I really respect have developed a good medium sized alliance, if I do decide to come back for a while, I might join them as they have the ability to carve out their own area of space.

    Having lived in Stain I also concur with another poster here that using WH’s is the way to do it, the only issue is high level upgrades to IHUB’s in the current system of course. But the majority of modules you need can be brought in quite easily by using WH’s. I did not do quite so much moving of stuff by WH’s, but we would get a link to hisec almost every day from Stain.. I was also in IRC when they were in Cobalt Edge and actually got there via a hisec WH.

    Eve might get fun again…

    October 18, 2014 at 18:38 Reply
    1. Sigh Retards

      Problem is you all hate each other as much as you hate CFC or N3. You won’t be able to hit any of them on all sides let alone one of them on one front. If you could, you would have already done so period. Since you haven’t it tells me that you won’t even after the changes. And CCP already failed since they didn’t make the sov mechanic changes first. They can say what they want and not deliver. Walking through stations anyone??? So we know jump changes will hit but anything else is all phony at this point.

      October 18, 2014 at 18:43 Reply
      1. asdf

        Nah, upcoming sov changes aren’t phony, they’re just more likely than not going to be even worse than Dominion as is par for the course for CCP.

        October 18, 2014 at 19:05 Reply
      2. Varesk

        clueless poster is clueless. ask INIT how they are doing. I am sure you would be surprised on the current state of that alliances.

        October 18, 2014 at 19:33 Reply
      3. Dracvlad

        There are a lot of small and medium sized alliances that have the ability to do it, all they have to do is just use WH’s and transport ships, it would be hilarious. There are a lot of people who have had their noses rubbed in it by the CFC, NCDOT. and PL, you can tell that PL see the writing on the wall as they are walking away from running their rental sov empire, they are the weakest of the three entities in terms of staying power in any case, the CFC being the strongest.

        October 18, 2014 at 21:53 Reply
        1. Dracvlad

          What I mean is use WH’s to bring SBU’s in across different regions, it would be very funny to see all those WH alliances doing their bit to poke the current power blocks too let alone those that has no way to take let alone hold even the most crap system…

          October 18, 2014 at 21:56 Reply
  11. imsosly

    It means get out now or you aint goin anywhere with ur assets.

    October 18, 2014 at 21:21 Reply
  12. OMGoutrage

    “if you live in most of null sec space you don’t have a station.”

    Bullshit. If you don’t have a station included in your rental agreement, you are free to use the station(s) belonging to your blue landlord(s). You’ve actually played in nullsec before, right?

    October 18, 2014 at 23:16 Reply
  13. GrouchyOldGamer

    Renting is a horrible mechanic. I hope as CCP look at changing sov they buff some of the shitter space so as groups move to occupy is they can earn a decent living to defend it.

    October 19, 2014 at 10:51 Reply
    1. yoyo

      As long as CCP listens to Mittani and they have many subs in their ranks do not expect much tho change. The RMT is strong there.

      October 19, 2014 at 19:38 Reply
      1. GrouchyOldGamer

        Do you not even feel mildly silly typing that?

        October 19, 2014 at 20:30 Reply
        1. PX5

          Thank you sir. This comment made me smile 🙂

          October 21, 2014 at 01:02 Reply
  14. lol

    get rekt by blops.

    October 20, 2014 at 06:20 Reply
  15. Sold

    Oh, god. Sov required for POSes? No. Just no. Everything should be decoupled from owning sov. Its nothing but a flag. If you don’t want people putting things in your space, go kick them out.

    October 20, 2014 at 13:59 Reply
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