In an unprecedented and historic move tonight the big SOV holding alliance in 0.0 came together and jointly agreed the outline of what they hope CCP will implement in regards to SOV changes and wider nullsec changes. CCP have alluded to changes in upcoming expansions to EvE online. The SOV leadership hope, by doing this, to divert a Dominion style expansion that, in all honesty, was not good for 0.0. The fact that these leaders, who scheme all day and all night on how to get a one up on each other could come together and agree to this is a huge sign to CCP that the player base feels that change is needed in null sec and that maybe CCP needs a guiding hand.

In an open letter to CCP they outlined three areas in which they believed 0.0 could be changed for the better.

Nullsec leaders holding conquerable space have come together to put forth an open letter to CCP expressing their dissatisfaction with the Dominion sovereignty system and stating their support for occupancy-based sovereignty mechanics. The letter further states a need for more NPC 0.0 space within conquerable regions for the sake of increasing activity in 0.0, especially much-needed small-scale combat, as a lot of conquerable systems are over 25 jumps from NPC space. Lastly, to support the concept of occupancy-based sovereignty, the need for an expansion of systems to support more player density is also expressed.

This statement has been signed by the leaders of the constituent alliances of the CFC, N3 and HERO coalitions, those of non-coalition actors such as PL and Pizza, various current and former CSM delegates and community opinion leaders.

The first was the introduction of a occupancy based sovereignty system, something along the line of ‘use it or lose it’. This would hamper the AFK empires while rewarding groups that actively use their space on a daily basis with perks and an ‘occupancy index’ of some kind.  It would help smaller alliance claim small areas of space for themselves and negate the current relied on coalitions.

The next section calls for NPC areas in every SOV region. This would be great for smaller alliances or nomadic PVP seekers who could base from these area’s and create content for themselves without having to worry about the 25+ jumps back to a friendly station. It also opens the door for ninja plexers to station close to unused or undefended space to make ISK. These areas only have to be small but could cause a lot of content in guerilla behind the line fights.

The last point made was the plea that each system should be able to support more than a handful of players. At the moment a handful of players can easily run all sites in a system within a few hours to half a day. This then causes people to log off to do other things. If, when the above ‘use it or lose it’ occupancy rule comes in the amount of sites available should increase to support a higher density of players as long as they are undocked and interacting with parts of the system.

If the above changes came into effect I could see the large alliances settling in a small amount of systems with high density farming, leaving the crappy systems unused and therefore susceptible to capture by smaller alliances who then use and upgrade the space, making it harder for others to attack it.

The leaders that signed the statement are as follows;

The Mittani, Goonswarm Federation
Vince Draken, Northern Coalition.
Gorga, Nulli Secunda
Grath Telkin, Pandemic Legion
Lychton Krondur, Brave Collective
SkierX, Test Alliance Please Ignore
Tarkinius, Fidelas Constans
Carneros, The Bastion
Sister Bliss, The Initiative.
Wibla, Tactical Narcotics Team
The Troika, RAZOR Alliance
Da Winci, Circle-Of-Two
Mo’Chuisle, Executive Outcomes
Loquitur, Fatal Ascension
Rina Kondur, I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
Basil Vulpine, Get Off My Lawn
Ex River, SpaceMonkey’s Alliance
Ltd SpacePig, The Kadeshi
Sort Dragon, DARKNESS.
Some CSM members also supported the statment and are as follows;

The full Original EvE Online Forum Post



  1. Meow.

    So first the coalitions destroy their own game experience, While Providence has lots of fun because they fly NRDS.
    Then the coalitions complain to CCP about their sucky game experience and demand CCP change the game to their exact specifications, which happens to destroy NRDS. Thus punishing the only null bloc that managed to not destroy their own game experience in the first place.

    GG, retards.

    September 29, 2014 at 12:52 Reply
    1. null bear

      Yeah looks like Providence has been having lots of fun lately being PL and NC’s fuck puppet… GG yourself

      September 29, 2014 at 13:05 Reply
      1. Heh

        Better than doing nothing, and besides, why would Provi sign something that makes it easier to take over their space as well as bein able to QRF them?

        September 29, 2014 at 13:24 Reply
        1. Red Orchestra

          Nobody gives a shit about provi FYI, so their signature there is irrelevant.

          September 29, 2014 at 13:29 Reply
          1. Heh

            Let me know when you have something to say besides trying to be sneaky at making renting easier

            September 29, 2014 at 13:47
          2. Blue

            Why is it Provi “shit space” is so densely populated compared to Goon or N3 “shit space”?

            It concentrates the mind doesn’t it. If you’re lucky enough to have one.

            September 29, 2014 at 15:48
        2. bum

          Well according to my Twitter they did sign it. Or at least core did (he doesn’t speak for Provi, he’s Volt + a CSM).

          September 29, 2014 at 15:45 Reply
      2. null bear tard

        If NC and Pl didn’t destroy their own game experience, then they don’t need to destroy other people’s content.

        September 29, 2014 at 13:30 Reply
    2. C.F

      I agree Meow. The petition looks like a request to make “renter” space more valuable. More sites to run and more piracy from NPC stations nearby means the value of being a rentee increases which increases the earning of the renter alliances.

      As ProviBlock has shown, the game’s current mechanics allow for an alliance to create open stations and collect docking fees and sales taxes from the station. Any of these Null Sec alliances could do something like that to fix the lack of public traffic in their area, declaring a constellation or whole region NRDS. Create their own little free ports, if you will. But the big coalitions won’t do that, they’d rather lock down everything and then complain about the stagnation they’ve caused.

      September 29, 2014 at 13:28 Reply
    3. die

      Let’s look at the facts:

      (1) Null is stagnant.
      (2) Low-sec is a barren, desolate wasteland.
      (3) High sec has been nerfed to hell.
      (4) Industry has been stupidified (oh a “landscape” – what joy!).
      (5) Apex forces dominate everywhere.

      Yesterday I witnessed a bemused relatively new player being ganked by CODE in high sec (he was mining). When I say witnessed I mean I was watching the chat in local. Obviously I wasn’t in space because I sit in station ship spinning. It occurred to me then that this “new player experience” that groups like CODE provide is one of the reasons Eve is going to die.

      I pay my subs because I have some psychological attachment to my 10 year old characters and their SP. Otherwise, WHY? As soon as an alternative comes along, like ED, I think Eve is going to tank, which is a shame because I’m in love with CCP Punkturis.

      September 29, 2014 at 15:31 Reply
      1. Senex Legio 1

        lol…..Apex Force.

        That is all….useless comment from me.

        September 29, 2014 at 16:31 Reply
        1. die

          Dumb isn’t it. All it means to me is that you can escalate a level higher than the other guys so ultimately you cannot be defeated in combat.

          September 29, 2014 at 17:00 Reply
    4. Javafanatic

      No we just won this style of play and we’re looking for something new to shit stomp you into. Your shitty skills – our entertainment.

      September 30, 2014 at 01:25 Reply
  2. BitterVet

    Hahahahaha….now a desperate attempt gets made by sov holders, LMAO. Now they suddenly agree. Wow. I would rather let eve die off. There is a huge amount of systems out there, not use or under utilized to a point of non existence. Why the fuck not give it to another alliance, free of charge, and make an attempt and creating more fun in deeper null sec. Oh well, that won’t happen, the SOV holder are too fucking arrogant, not the letter is proof of set arrogance being made public. People in the game can make the changes, the sov holders themselves. But they refuse to listen to reason or refuse to listen to idea to enhance the game within. Instead they run to ccp like cry babies. OMG…you idiots are pathetic. Just stop logging in and let eve die. Maybe then you fools will understand the concept better of giving smaller entities a chance. But hey, WTF, arrogance and stupidity make a really good mix for your guys.

    September 29, 2014 at 14:25 Reply
    1. Really?

      Most alliance really don’t want to bother with the PITA of actually managing the sov.

      September 29, 2014 at 15:26 Reply
      1. BitterVet

        And there are alliance that would not mind having sov. I know of a good few that would have enjoyed having a little sov, even if it was 3 systems or 5 out of an entire region. lol…but nobody gives a shit. They are arrogant, the game is dying (YAY) and now they crying to ccp, when the playing and sov holders themselves could in actual fact create a temporary fix themselves. I love it when they are mixed arrogance and stupidity. Only shows me what a great mentality they have.

        September 29, 2014 at 15:50 Reply
        1. Really?

          Well, a good few alliances is called a coalition. A coalition can do things if led and motivated to a common goal. Take a chunk of provi and see if that’s really what you want. You would create content and be an eve savior.

          Unless of course you just want some null welfare and someone to hand you a region after thousands of man-hours of work and isk went into taking it in the first place. If that’s what you want then pay-up and be a renter.

          September 29, 2014 at 16:22 Reply
          1. heh

            Provi would have little impact except on Provi. The content in Provi is already happening. The content creating problem is elsewhere, because of bluing and NAPing. Fact of the matter is, you can create a system in EVE through the game mechanics all you want, but the biggest problem is the fact of meta-gaming in the sandbox and people going with it. That’s the problem with Sandbox sometimes, is that you really don’t have anyone holding your hand…. and guess what some people don’t want to go down the slide that doesn’t have the railings sometimes.

            CCP can’t really fix this problem without eliminating the Sand Box. The people do. They don’t seem to understand that they are the problem. You make the decisions, you can fix it. You want your people not bored in the CFC, then invade PL and BOT with NC. Or the other way around. Not really that hard to do. Until then stop complaining about things not happening when you are the content creators.

            September 29, 2014 at 20:08
          2. BitterVet

            HAHAHAHAHA….i can only see the blind arrogance now coming from people like you. LMAO. I don’t think taking any piece of provi is worth while. That’s for idiots like HERO. They seem to think Provi is a corruption infested coalition. To a certain degree, all coalitions have faults. Provibloc is no different. You fucking idiots can keep your regions, no matter how dead they are. But when ever in the near future dies of even more that is has, and mind you the total amount of numbers that has dropped is even more now, so it only makes me happier. When it eventually dies out in the near future, there will be only one thing you or any other completely dumb arrogant fool will blame, and that is everyone else except yourselves. Who gives a fucking hell how much isk you spend on taking over regions, and how much fucking effort it took. I sure as hell don’t give a flying fuck. This is a game. The only true way of changing any game is to change the mindset of the people (player base). Unfortunately the overly blinded arrogant powerblocs don’t and won’t ever see that, and probably don’t want to see that. Their aim is most likely to end eve as the powerbloc that was the “most” powerful. Instead all they do, is spoil the game for everyone else. There is no longer any challenges in the game, there is no longer any real fun. Even i with my last couple of online toons, have recently decided to move to provi and help them. At least they believe in having fun. Unlike the powerblocs that very few people ever truly want to go to war with or fight with. After a lot of discussions with members in provi, and other powerbloc members and renters, to me eve is dead, and for some reason i am drawn to provi, because of the fun they are having, and the fun you have all forgotten. Whatever you want to think, i honestly don’t care. Arrogant idiots can continue to live in their own bubbles.

            September 30, 2014 at 13:41
          3. BitterVet

            Oh, and if you’re too lazy to read. Give yourself a blowjob and stop playing eve and go to bed.

            September 30, 2014 at 13:42
  3. aaaaa

    more 0.0 space? half systems are empty and just because there are npc 0.0 the small scale pvp still egsist. by adding more systems you wont solve it. in my opinion there should be more easy for small groups to take down sov from holders. that way coalitions or allys wont expand to big blue dots on map but will control just as much as they can defende not taking half map and keeping it half empty

    September 29, 2014 at 14:36 Reply
  4. Someguy

    It’s been said before – this game is over 10 years old now so the powerblocks have built massive stockpiles of ships of all sizes and can replace anything they need quickly. Plus they have massive amounts of experience and game mechanic knowledge. Thus the big coallitions will always rule whatever they choose to rule. The only way to stop that is take all SOV away or turn all 0.0 space into a portion of SOV and NPC thus giving enough of it that the powerblocks won’t care – but again, if they decide to care then no one can stop them.
    SOV by occupancy will most likely result in renters and more various shades of blue – but at least that means players can get into the SOV thing where before they could not. It will likely also mean the big coallitions get even bigger.
    Adding NPC space to all nullsec I agree with – of course that will add content in many regions that currently do not have any NPC space – plus see my comment above.
    And bloddy hell yes – have more things to do in the systems. Change the pirate detection array so that it is not affected by security level of the system and give us more then 2 Havens and 4 Sanctums – or if your security level is to low then all you get is 1 Forsaken Hub and 1 Forlorn Hub plus a dozen other crappy sites that very few care about because of their isk/hour rewards – those who enjoy this type of game play know what I mean. Having a dozen or more Havens, sanctums, Hubs (or whatever they are called in the different regions) means way more players can enjoy the system and give you a slight chance against the interceptor roam gangs.

    September 29, 2014 at 14:47 Reply
    1. Someguy

      Noob poster question – I put spaces between my paragraphs but it doesn’t come out when I post – how the hell do I separate my paragraphs!!!

      September 29, 2014 at 14:49 Reply
  5. Camp

    I decided that the solution to nullsec stagnation is to make all resources in Eve dynamic and to continually move them around.

    The problem at the moment is we’ve got x moons in a region that never change, so people set up infrastructure and renter empires around them. It’s an entirely defensive posture. If resources in Eve were more like a PI map, slowly evolving and changing over time (six months, say), there would at least be some ISK-based motivation to keep things changing.

    At the moment all motivations in-game are towards camping:

    (1) Camp static moon goo
    (2) Camp static low true-sec systems
    (3) Camp static jump bridge network
    (4) Cloaky camp someone’s system to reduce the indices
    (5) Bla bla bla


    September 29, 2014 at 15:15 Reply
    1. theseconddavid

      +1. Move the rats as well.

      September 29, 2014 at 16:02 Reply
    2. Senex Legio 1

      I think they should deplete or require a pilot to actively harvest them. Passive income is bad for the game and has resulted in capital and supercapital proliferation. Everyone needs to be poor again.

      September 29, 2014 at 16:29 Reply
      1. Camp

        It gets extremely tedious though doesn’t it. It will only appeal to people with mental disorders.

        September 29, 2014 at 16:49 Reply
        1. Senex Legio 1

          Lord knows EVE is full of those.

          September 29, 2014 at 17:10 Reply
    3. teamnodaughters

      When the leadership at the top is content and the amount of resources generated 24/7 can not only support a mega coalition but are essentially infinite, there is no need to go to war, everyone is fat and happy (except line members being bored) so why risk it?

      I like the WH mechanic that actually has a limited amount of resources that can be obtained unless you decide to go into other wormholes to get those resources.

      No matter what CCP does as long as there isn’t a conflict driver and/or a limited amount of resources that cannot sustain super huge coalitions nothing will change, things will get worst and EVE become closer to being dead

      September 30, 2014 at 02:35 Reply
  6. OMGoutrage

    These people are the problem they should not be part of the solution.

    September 29, 2014 at 15:53 Reply
    1. Senex Legio 1

      There is an argument to be made in this respect. It is their actions which, in part, lead to where we are today.

      However, they are not responsible for the flawed game structure that lead to those decisions. Can you blame them for having renters when the game encourages vast holdings with no real occupancy, or provides purely passive income in massive amounts, or even a sov system that is simply not fun to fight for, hence the various non-aggression treaties? These are all related to game structure.

      September 29, 2014 at 16:28 Reply
      1. OMGoutrage

        I don’t blame them personally for acting as probably anyone else in their position would act. However because they are in the position they are, I believe they are irreparably biased and therefore not going to be the source of the best solution to the problem.

        September 29, 2014 at 16:40 Reply
        1. fred

          Yes. I can’t imagine that as soon as CCP make all their space so much more valuable, they’re all going to abandon it. Not.

          They’ll continue to boss it with their apex forces as before, except now their rental income will be far higher and IDK what the hell they’re doing with all the ISK. They’re certainly not whelping super blobs with it.

          September 29, 2014 at 16:45 Reply
        2. Senex Legio 1

          Also a fair point. CCP has to search diligently for any self-serving “recommendations”. The louder they howl on certain issues, the greater likelihood is that CCP has got it right.

          September 29, 2014 at 17:10 Reply
        3. The MIT

          If you are not good enough to be in a sov alliance go get wrecked and you have no say. You choose to be useless no one made you that way.

          September 29, 2014 at 21:18 Reply
          1. bob

            “not good enough to be in a sov alliance” lol
            Part of the problem is a great many players think CCP’s endgame is pointless and boring, enjoyed by pointless boring players. You are too scared to be WH dwellers, cannot work in the restrictions of hisec, like your isk security blanket too much for losec, and you are the winners?
            You are lame and the problem.

            September 30, 2014 at 07:17
    2. NixPanicus

      You realize those people will exploit *any* solution to the problem as effectively as they exploited the current SOV mechanics, right? They’re at the top of the food chain due to superior organization and institutional experience smaller entities can’t hope to match. Out of game organization gives PL, NC., CFC and others like them flexibility and responsiveness the small alliances just can’t match. Any solutions will *have* to involve the major players, because only they understand how to work around their own advantages. Solutions developed by smaller players are likely to be something asinine like ‘Make alliances smaller!’ which is retarded because the big players already work in coalitions of alliances. All smaller alliances would mean is GSF1, GSF2 and GSF3 instead of GSF with no loss of efficiency. You need the big coalitions if you want to develop any real solution to the current SOV problems.

      September 29, 2014 at 20:06 Reply
      1. Senex Legio 1

        You are right, but smaller entities also have valuable contributions on how the system can be fixed. They provide a unique perspective that the large entities cannot possibly provide. The Mittani’s post of “no one should comment except sov holders” was as self-serving as it was stupid.

        What I am saying is both sides should be listened to. Everyone will come at it somewhat differently. To ignore the large alliances would be to alienate them, and that would be the wrong thing to do. However, you go in there knowing everyone has an agenda and you look at their comments through that filter.

        September 29, 2014 at 21:11 Reply
        1. The MIT

          If you are not a sov holder why should you have a say in sov? Sov holders are better than you. Join one or loose. Your problem.

          September 29, 2014 at 21:15 Reply
          1. Senex Legio 1

            You sir have won EVE.

            September 29, 2014 at 21:38
          2. OMGoutrage

            I smell fear.

            September 29, 2014 at 22:18
          3. heh

            …and this is why we can’t trust what they say. This is why when they make comments like this, and then people like you say, “well you aren’t one of the bigger players, you don’t count,” we start to want to take a closer look at this.

            What we have here is a system that would be easier for bigger coalitions to grind, and result in them needing a bigger buffer between each other which renters would be in.

            Biggest problem the 3 big players have is that they don’t want to work to get sov. None of the rest of the Eve cares. We don’t care. The sooner you unsub and get out of here, the better.

            September 30, 2014 at 04:11
          4. haha

            Given that current sov holders are the problem, I would have thought they’re the last people you should listen to on any issue.

            September 30, 2014 at 12:17
      2. Stu Pendisdick

        “They” ( in reality, *HE* ) occupies the slot at the top of the food chain by providing thousands of subscribers who have no other choice in the matter if they wish to remain in *HIS* organization outside of EvE.

        “They” ( in reality, *HE* ) holds such sway over the inner workings of CCP by virtue of economic terrorism, charisma and infiltration of the real world corporate structure.

        At the end of the day, you can’t fight American Express.

        Until “They”, ( in reality, *HE* ) is removed from a position of influence by a real world corporate structure than can manage to find it’s at-present-lost collective fucking balls, this game will continue the death spiral that has been the original intent since it became the focus of “Them” ( in reality, *HIM* ).

        All that is left to wonder at this point is what game will be next on the hit list.

        People really need to study “Their” ( in reality, *HIS* ) history.

        September 30, 2014 at 21:48 Reply
  7. concerned player

    i have a feeling this wont end well for ccp… 🙂

    September 29, 2014 at 17:20 Reply
  8. Dograzor

    Hey Mail Lite,

    “The Troika” is not an actual corp for RAZOR Alliance, it is an alliance leadership consisting out of three members, hence Troika. 😉

    September 29, 2014 at 17:37 Reply
    1. hattori

      dograzor you’re still shit fuckoff

      September 30, 2014 at 06:32 Reply
  9. CareForABear

    Funny why not just:
    * Remove local
    * Remove snap fingers power projection of

    September 29, 2014 at 19:08 Reply
    1. Barkaway

      if you dont like local please go to a wormhole theres alot of them..

      September 30, 2014 at 07:42 Reply
  10. NixPanicus

    Why not post the original, which was much more succinct and frankly better written, and then post your analysis afterwards? EN24 copy pastes articles all the time, why the need to actually write this one?

    September 29, 2014 at 20:07 Reply
  11. heh

    CCP can’t really fix this problem without eliminating the Sand Box. The people can fix it. They don’t seem to understand that they are the problem. You make the decisions, you can fix it. You want your people not bored in the CFC, then invade PL and BOT with NC. Or the other way around. Not really that hard to do. Until then stop complaining about things not happening when you are the content creators.

    Remember this, in the end you blued up yourselves. CCP didn’t make you blue anyone, and there’s no fixing that. You are meta-gaming and meta-gaming goes outside of game mechanics. If you can’t fix yourself, CCP can’t fix you either without turning this game into a theme park.

    September 29, 2014 at 20:11 Reply
    1. BitterVet

      Exactly. Agreed. The fucking idiots that turn null sec or eve in to the boring way it is, is because of the big blue donuts, the powerblocs themselves N3/PL and CFC, oh wait, the ARROGANT powerblocs. I cannot wait for this game to die off. THen they can do wtf they want and be bored for as long as they like. I have already unsubbed and stopped playing on many of my toons. Only got a couple left to go. Soon, they will stop too. Eve is dead, there is no longer any point to it. Just let the fucking game game die.

      September 30, 2014 at 09:03 Reply
  12. The MIT

    Yes the bigger alliances who have earned their place in null through several years of work are better than you. You can join one of those alliances. If you are not good enough to get into one that is your problem. No you can not take valuable null sec space without pvping and with your one man alliance that has not had the several thousand hours of work the other alliances have put in. Get off your high horse and choose an alliance that already exists.

    September 29, 2014 at 21:23 Reply
    1. Senex Legio 1


      September 29, 2014 at 21:39 Reply
    2. Truth

      ..right. being told in advance TECH locations and being handed T2 BPOs by CCP devs.. If that is your definition of ‘several years of work’ then I feel sorry for you and anyone related to your drone-minded, unintelligent self.

      September 29, 2014 at 23:58 Reply
    3. BitterVet

      Best part of this. Null is dying or dead. Eve is dying or dead. The arrogant powerblocs know they are to blame or he cause of it in various ways. Who the hell cares, they are killing the game trying to hold on the space they don’t even use. WHO THE FUCK CARES. LET THE GAME FUCKING DIE RATHER. Then the powerblocs can sit back and praise themselves for being arrogant fucking idiots, and stop asking why numbers are dropping and peope are unsubbing, and why the game is dying. Because clearly, they are too arrogant to realize they are the ones at fault.

      September 30, 2014 at 08:59 Reply
    4. Guest

      Ok fuckwit, let me explain something very basic to you, not everyone wants to be in null sec. It’s obviously not that hard to get in, Jesus, they let you in.

      Please continue to expose yourself as a moron.

      September 30, 2014 at 16:55 Reply
  13. The Deacon

    Alright, I have to agree that the suggestions are way to far in the favor of the big coalitions rather then the smaller alliances. Rental space would still be the major benefactors, as they are already occupied and active, but you gain free incentives rather then charging for upgrades.

    But let’s takes this idea and see what we can do with it.

    So you want occupancy based Sov. Fine, but instead of benefiting from occupancy, like free stuff, how about we make you suffer for not occupying. So the anoms ran out and your ISK/Hour sucks on ratting or low level anoms. Tough luck, because you need to work to keep SOV. So if you decide your done because the ISK reward is not worth ratting, then the pirates get to effect your SOV. Decay on SOV or some mechanic that allows that little roaming group to really screw your day up. Maybe they don’t want your SOV, but they can make you lose it and have to reestablish your control, costing you ISK and time. Oh look, content. And your members can not just be lazy goo collecting neckbeards that only want to PvP, because the rest of the game is stupid and boring.

    NPC in all 0.0 regions. Great idea! But pirates don’t need stations, you silly pod people would just blow them up. And any station they had should only be accessible by people they like anyway. And since NPC pirates don’t field capitals, neither should you. So let’s have system wide cyno jam! I’d still let the covert in, as it is covert and has limits already. Oh and one other thing….these systems should be the lowest security ratings, I mean the -0.8 and lower. After all, it’s lawless space, and the best rats should be in pirate held systems. Why the hell wouldn’t they control the systems where they appear the most? Hey, look….more content! Want to rat the best systems, well now your going to have a bit of risk. And no silly AFK capitals ratting away with no real risk and the highest reward. Better bring a fleet.

    In the end I have to agree, these people have made their own problem. With help from CCP of course. They have bunkered up and have concentrations of players ratting in a few systems, away from danger, and collect their SOV money from moons that require little effort. They rent our systems to industry and carebears that have left HighSec for safer and more prosperous fields. Come to think of it, how much do you think these rental empires contribute to groups like CODE to chase carebears from HighSec? The majority of CSM are Null members who want more renters or members to create ISK and content, no matter the cost of new players or casual players that quit because they can no longer enjoy the game the way they play.

    You want content, you want different, then get off your lazy ass. Too many live the easy life, all PvP with no need to earn ISK. And then they complain because nobody wants to fight a losing battle against overwhelming odds or powerful ships. Because there is no effort for them, they don’t need to earn anything, and screw that guy that is risk adverse about losing a ship that cost him DAYS to earn. What have you got to worry about, you have fifty repping Archons so you don’t lose anything, and a hundred F1 monkeys to keep the opposing weaklings at bay.

    Take a few lessons from places it works. Prov is shit space so no wants it. Yet almost the entire galaxy goes there to fight. NRDS has more non-targets then anyone, but more fights then almost anywhere else. People don’t want Prov because it’s what everyone wishes their space was like, but will never have.

    RvB knows how to down ship for fights, null mostly knows how to blob or escalate. I’m sorry, as mush as TIDI is better then the black screen(IT’S SOOO MUCH BETTER) it’s still terrible. Not everyone has four hours for a one hour fight that suddenly turns into ten hours. Getting in and out of fleets, not having to always fly doctrine, and trying new stuff(much of which does not work) is more fun then forming a fleet that gets blue-balled.

    How many…HOW MANY…Null alliances have “tried” Faction War? Why? Because you couldn’t earn ISK in null, because you couldn’t get fights as your blue to neighbors or NOT ALLOWED TO SHOOT as it might ESCALATE?

    Granted, CCP can and will make changes to SOV. And it needs it. But then people need to be willing to change the way they see the game and how it is played. SandBox people, we don’t have to wait on CCP to make changes.

    September 29, 2014 at 23:02 Reply
    1. Grath

      Yea, shame on us for trying to win at a game.

      Fucking idiot.

      September 30, 2014 at 00:42 Reply
      1. FatProviBear

        Sorry but “win” is not a cold war with a side dish of cock measuring as you rental heathens believe.

        September 30, 2014 at 01:06 Reply
        1. Guest

          Hey you can’t talk that way to him, he’s one of the dignified signatories, you know the ones asking for a revamp of a sandbox game mechanic, instead of just saying “Fuck it, they’re just pixels, let’s do this.” He’s trying to win eve damnit, The traditional way, by not playing Eve. Didn’t you read that?

          September 30, 2014 at 16:11 Reply
        2. Guest

          Hey you can’t talk that way to him, he’s one of the dignified signatories, you know the ones asking for a revamp of a sandbox game mechanic, instead of just saying “Fuck it, they’re just pixels, let’s do this.” He’s trying to win eve damnit, The traditional way, by not playing Eve. Didn’t you read that?

          September 30, 2014 at 16:11 Reply
        3. Grath

          Idk, i feel like we’re winning, so maybe you’re wrong

          September 30, 2014 at 18:02 Reply
          1. asdf

            Stagnating the game to death is winning? I’m pretty sure that’s called “everybody loses”.

            September 30, 2014 at 20:47
      2. Guest

        You have 3 choices 1) Do nothing, Leave things as they are. 2) DEMAND CCP saves you from yourselves 3) Do it yourself and actually fight using the tools eve already provides.

        In a game famous for it’s emergent gameplay, players who are pretty rabid about protecting the sandboxy elements and player driven stories, You have chosen to be spoonfed content. Excuse me “Content Creators”, a’la World of Warcraft. If you,want more content why not MAKE IT YOURSELF? You are one of the major content creators, are you not?

        Please don’t say “Sov is broken” “Because tidi” “Alliance Leaderships is hard”etc.

        Let’s face it, nothing CCP can do will change your issue unless the “Big Cheeses” who play Eve make it happen. The problem may just be the meta is stagnant or broken.

        I honestly think if you guys don’t do something yourselves, this game is in big trouble and you’ll be a space emperor of “who gives a fuck the game is dead”

        You are, after all, asking CCP to do something to fix Eve. We all know how good CCP is good at fixing Eve.

        Hint: They’re fucking terrible at it..

        September 30, 2014 at 16:46 Reply
  14. heh

    This agreement is supposed to be about null sec revitalization…. supposedly at least… but you don’t see us talking about that at all… you see us talking about how it makes renting even worse. O there’s more systems nearby? You mean buffer systems for traveling because the fuck the major coalitions are letting you live there. LOL…

    The problem never really was what they are talking about above. The problem is their metagame. No game mechanic CCP is going to do minus overhauling the game with a theme park model is going to stop them from doing what they are doing.

    So you have to ask yourselves… what is it that these coalitions (minus the one coalition who doesn’t go around renting to people, providence) really want with what’s going on here. Either they are blind as hell to the fact that they are really advocating for things that just help them, or they are doing it on purpose under a guise. They keep saying these things are supposed to help us yet the things they are advocating for kills the one region in the game that does stay active. Is this what you really want?

    September 30, 2014 at 00:27 Reply

    ummmmm what about power projection? thats the key.. not more ratter sites

    September 30, 2014 at 01:12 Reply
    1. Xade

      No it isnt…not at all…powerprojection wont be nesseccary then … since the whole CFC could rat in deklein or wherever! …. and alliances like MOA will be able to take parts of Pure Blind…and when the first systems fall….others will Follow and there will be huge amounts of space becomming free…! So there is light in sight 🙂 hope this happens fast…

      September 30, 2014 at 11:05 Reply

        Unless we know your capital fleet blob is either too far away to jump to us, or small enough for us to handle, we cant do anything. The ability for CFC to blob us is what kills small alliances ability to take space.. nothing more nothing less. We dont care about the “wrecking ball” or if you have 1000 archons. We care that those 1000 archons can move together instantly….if they are all spread out , or together in a big blob and cant move quick. That is what we want… we want the engagement limited to what can be drawn from locally… perhaps what is in system. Not 1/2 way across eve. ITS 100% about POWER PROJECTION. All of the other issues are secondary to power projection. Small groups like ours WOULD grind structures …but we cant since we get blobbed.

        POWER PROJECTION>>>>is the key… and If anyone of these power blocs is telling you different its cause they do not want to lose the only advantage they have…. THE ABILITY TO PROJECT POWER INSTANTLY.

        without power projection they would die a death by a thousand cuts….

        what do I know? we only fight them every day, and face the power projection issues daily… from JB sharing, and JB leaping, to titan cynos…to clone jumping….ect ect

        September 30, 2014 at 13:42 Reply
  16. Tri

    “My educated guess based on what we can read between the lines of official statements would be that CCP is simply been unable to implement any large scale features at this point. This is because of all the technical debt that they have incurred over the years [1]. Technical debt is created when things are done quick & dirty instead of in the proper way. Many companies do it that way because they need to move fast and the people responsible don’t understand the long term consequences. Just like financial debt technical debt incurs interest payments. In software development these come in the form of slowing down your development process because of the need for working around issues caused by your previous improper solutions. If you do not correct those and continue to add more debt, this will eventually almost completely bog down your development process. This will make it virtually impossible to implement new features in a reasonable amount of time. At this point you have no choice but to start correcting your old mistakes, but this is likely to tie up large amounts of your development resources. This in turns leads to your product being stagnant in the eyes of your customers while you do the necessary work under the hood. At that point it becomes a race against time. If you are lucky, you are able to pay back your debt and start innovating again before you lose too many customers because of either dissatisfaction with your product or competitors running circles around you.”

    September 30, 2014 at 09:40 Reply
    1. Asshole

      It makes sense … and yet another dev (CCP Veritas) leaving ccp ..

      September 30, 2014 at 09:42 Reply
    2. Ashesofempires

      While you are mostly correct, Technical debt isn’t something that has to be 100% solved before you return to the process of adding new features.

      Most software, especially large-scale software, has many systems. EVE has dozens of systems, most of which rely on each other to some degree but are largely separate. They pass data back and forth between them as necessary, but you can work through the technical debt on them piecemeal.

      Refactoring them into modular systems that are much more independent is ideal, because it means that your overall system architecture is much less interwoven. This allows developers to add features to one set of systems while others work on refactoring and reducing technical debt on other parts of the software.

      In EVE’s case; they reworked the back end communications software with CarbonIO, they rebuilt Crimewatch from the ground up, and along the way laid the groundwork for a lot of features that they’ve added using it (revamped faction warfare, revamped flagging, war-dec system). CCP has done an awful lot of work reducing the technical debt that they’ve incurred over the past 10 years of development.

      Are they done? No. Not by a long shot. I wouldn’t say they are near done with their task until they refactor and rebuild the fitting and combat mechanics from the ground up, and they won’t ever be done until they move away from Stackless Python into a development language that’s designed for multi-threading.

      October 1, 2014 at 04:31 Reply
  17. Boooom

    I think we should all left EVE so those very smart smart ppl can rat all day and all night long without any1 anoying them. Death for RMT! 🙂

    September 30, 2014 at 11:07 Reply
  18. Boooom

    Oj forgot one more thing, i bet that from all this signed on petition, 99% are Real Money Traders. So change sov mechanic yes, make it much easier to get sov over sustems. Yes make it easy, so ppl who want have fun can enjoy in the game, get their RMT fun out.

    September 30, 2014 at 11:10 Reply
    1. blue

      Evidence they’re RMT or don’t make the accusation. Or if you insist on it “allege” and then suggest where you heard the allegation.

      I’m kind-of sick of unsubstantiated rumours with regards to this and would have thought that CCP were keeping a close eye on the blue doughnut wallets. Unless you’re suggesting they’re part of it? Seems unlikely.

      September 30, 2014 at 11:57 Reply
      1. Distracted

        He heard it from Dinsdale.

        October 1, 2014 at 10:53 Reply
    2. Just Sayin

      He’s got you there, the burden of truth lies on you Boooom.

      September 30, 2014 at 15:20 Reply
  19. Just Sayin

    Remember when “Blue Doughnut” was an insane theory and you’d get laughed at or banned from some places for the mere mention of the words?

    I bet the guy who coined it is smugging his ass off these days. Either that or he quit Eve.

    September 30, 2014 at 16:17 Reply
  20. Fix it since YOU broke it.

    You guys want to fix the game? Don’t turn it into Extort Renters online, Every alliance reset EVERY other alliance, and GO. Game enjoyment goes up OVER 9000!!!! Null fighting NC, NC fighting PL, Razor fighting Goons, CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!!!! Then and only then will we have a game again.

    October 1, 2014 at 00:56 Reply
  21. 10yrBitterVet

    Ahhhhhhhhhh… it’s so cute that a bunch of Null slumlords think they are running the game. Dooods… get over your self-entitled bullshit, mmmmkay ?

    October 2, 2014 at 21:31 Reply
  22. 870780 592790This douche bag loves his illegal bretheren because hes a itiaen of the world and we ought to be ashamed of ourselves I got news for you Asswipe get your asswiping ass back to the craphole where you came from with all of your illegal beaners 638900

    November 30, 2017 at 00:02 Reply

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