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Hey guys, riverini here. During the past years we have encouraged a very liberal commenting policy regarding the EN24 articles however recently we have noticed a few recurring trends from several commenters which has required me to take action before things escalate beyond control. The following rules will now be enforced by myself and my team in the comment sections of EN24 and it’s sister sites.

- Eve News24 is a gaming site. As much as I’d love our commenters to come here and exchange their opinions, I will have to ask you to please take political discussions and sensitive real life subjects elsewhere.

- There are countless venues on which you can have both civilized and uncivilized discussions regarding current world events. EN24 is not the place to have these sort of discussions. For this reason, any non-gaming related discussions will be deleted (within reason).

- Tiresome comments or one liners regarding certain writers or topics will be moderated and treated as spam. This is not KUGU!

- If you are to discredit or contest the veracity of a piece, we would like you to please provide evidence supporting your claim. The you got “trolled” comments will be moderated.

- Keep the profanity down, there are more civilized ways for the 21st century forum warrior to make their point, take the higher path. Racism in any shape or form will be dealt with a zero tolerance policy.

- Also, we get it! You don’t like Gevlon’s articles – on the other hand – stats show there are thousands other players who actually take the time to read his pieces. He is a very polarizing writer, but learn to appreciate the discerning point of view he brings to EN24. Constructive and meaningful comments are always welcome, monotonous sperg not so much.

It is against my best interests to BAN EN24 commenters, we take pride in letting everyone express their views on EN24 – and you would be surprise the high amount of opinions I personally don’t agree with, but our commitment to our readers serve a great motivator to allow the most diverse and open EVE Online discussions to keep happening on EN24.

So let’s keep it that way.

- R

  • thanks

    Thank god for that

  • Deltaguy

    Sorry this may be the 21st century but people need to evolve and stop being hurt when someone cuss’s its as part of modern communication as anything else nowadays, coddling fucking people like children cus someone says fuck or ass or shit is retarded, this isnt WoW or hello kitty island adventure. And i really find it funny that you demand people provide sources if they wanna counter an article considering some of the baseless intel that has been posted here the article writers should follow that rule more than people making comments.

    You also really need to be more on top of shit, like the nexus thing.

    • Bo Jangles

      For anyone who read the above rules and were unsure on them. Here I present the prime example of a non constructive and somewhat meaningless comment.

      Take particular note on how the example uses deliberately excessive profanity as an act of rebellion in an attempt to evoke a reaction and achieve much desired attention. Rather than delete this comment I think we shall leave it here for example.

      • Deltaguy

        No im simply pointing out people speak more like fucking this than as if we lived in kello kitty no cussing land. Im not going to alter the way i talk becuase a few people might be offended at a few cusswords. Also as i pointed out which you skipped over, if you want commentors to back up intel claims then your article writers need to as well.

        • NoTech

          So you’re saying you’re too headstrong to adapt and leave other opinions their space ?

        • Bo Jangles

          The fact of the matter is we’re not saying you cant swear, but being overly unnecessary is just well… unnecessary.

          As for your latter point I’m not going to comment as I’ve said time and time again each article reflects only that opinion and words of the individual writer and not EN24 as a whole so It’s not my place to speak for all of my associates at EN24. Unless of course you have issue with my articles in particular then I’d happily discuss with you over an appropriate medium.

          • Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            Well, uh… Bo Jangles, as a matter of fact…… ………. ……… …… ……. Shit! Brain fart!

          • Bo Jangles

            Mmmmm, Brain Farts

    • NoTech

      So your point is ?

  • Inigo Montoya

    “Also, we get it! You don’t like Gevlon’s articles – on the other hand…” LOL! You have a perception and cognition problem there buddy…

    • riverini

      You keep using that word… :P

      • Inigo Montoya

        It must be a hard one to grasp apparently.

  • Dave From Razor

    You blocked my MAC address from certain locations I am having to spoof to get my views heard

    This would never happen on New Edens premier new site

    Long live razor the strong right arm of the cfc

    Dave

    • Barkaway

      No, wonder why?

    • Barkaway

      the one CFC masturbates with?=)

      • GrouchyOldGamer

        Comment of the day lol

    • Glenn

      “You blocked my MAC address from certain locations …”
      You obviously dont know about MAC address’s.

      • riverini

        Dude, you totally fell for it… haha…

        • Dave From Razor

          Always one ; )

          • Firefox4312

            Dave for CSM. :P

          • Bo Jangles

            I’d vote for Dave

          • Koomji

            Dave From Razor

            3A:FF:EB:4C:1A:F2

            harsh words here

        • asd

          May Dave live prosper long after Razor has fallen to ashes ^^ … Wonder if Glenn knows what MAC address spoofing is anyways … oooops this wasn’t gaming related …. ban Riverini, Dave, Glenn and me pls ! (all regular shit posters afaik)

          • Bo Jangles

            You’re on your last warning for that non eve related post…

  • Scott Lockwood III

    To be fair, some of the people whining at you no doubt also can’t understand how the things they say lead directly to people saying mean things back to then. If you censor one, I hope you plan to censor the other. Otherwise, you run the risk of alienating large chunks of people who will claim favoritism.

    • Bo Jangles

      Can you elaborate? ^_^ I want to clear things up for you but I’m not entirely understanding of what your argument is.

      • Scott Lockwood III

        I’m completely clear on things. What part of what I wrote wasn’t clear to you? I can give you an example:

        Party A makes an assertion in the comments.
        Party B replies to disagree, and makes a remark that is insulting.
        Party A either responds in kind, or otherwise makes a dig at B.

        Moderator steps in and censors A. What about B?

        • Bo Jangles

          If both parties have broken the rules then both will be moderated, party A has no need to sink to B’s level and the correct response would be to either take the high road and reply sensibly or flag the offending comment and watch me wield my mighty banhammer.

          • Scott Lockwood III

            And when your perception and A’s perception of B’s comment don’t agree?

          • Bo Jangles

            The rules are relatively clear (and generally common sense) and if they’re not clear that’s exactly why I’m here.
            There shouldn’t be any excuses for grey areas and misconception. The moderators will moderate as fairly as they possibly can, there isn’t much more that can be done than that.

  • me@home

    A simple solution would be to stop publishing Gevlon :)

    • Bo Jangles

      Was waiting for this comment; Was not disappointed.

      • me@home

        Glad to be of service. Consider it a choice of quality over quantity – Gevlon writes a lot it is true. It is my opinion however that most of what he writes is completely pointless or shameless self congratulation for ‘feats’ he feels he has achieved which read as bland posturing. At best his articles are like a car crash which attracts rubber-necking. He might well get people to his private blog, and I’d be happier if he stayed there :) That’s as constructive as it gets :P

      • Jack

        This site excels at actually posting news, sometimes slanted views, but at least posts with purposes. The blog reposts are of mixed quality and of generally poor content. Some Riptard (or whatever his name is) ones are alright, but I’d speculate most of your Glevon traffic is people trying to load the comments to dump on him (myself included: “Fire Glevon”). Stick to what you’re good at, news.

    • Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      2nd that motion.

  • Bawk Bawkbagawk

    I am interested to see if this new policy will be maintained fairly or if you will simply use it to censor comments that are critical of the articles… again.

    • Scott Lockwood III

      What’s even worse is, realize that GG is compensated in some form for inflicting his drivel on us, and management has just told us to suck it down without complaint.

      • Bo Jangles

        That is not the message here, the message is if you’re going to say “GG SUX KEK” and be in no way constructive then save your breath, you’re not helping yourself or anyone else. If you actually wish to make a point (be it relating directly to how much GG sucks or not) then go straight ahead, you wont be moderated as long as you’re not just spewing bile everywhere.

        • Scott Lockwood III

          It may not be the message you sent, but then it is the message quite a few people received.

          Here’s a far more serious question: You’ve advertised for people to write for you. Have you considered advertising for an Editor? While I do consider most of what GG writes to be brain hemorrhage inducing, some simple editing for grammar sake would go a LONG way toward improving his reception.

          I don’t have a lot to say about Eve, however I am a competent editor. I also have some experience with eastern Europeans, and the common grammatical mistakes they make when writing in English. I’m available if you want the help.

          • Bo Jangles

            We do have editors here at EN24 (although sometimes we have a bit of an absence) the thing with GG is his articles are re-posted directly from his personal blog so the quality control comes directly from there (I’ll leave you to decide if this is acceptable or not)

            As for the latter point, give rivi an email or add him on skype and have a chat with him; Normally our editors are expected to write as well but you never know unless you ask.

          • Koomji

            bo jangles you are a good PVPer and i respect your opinion

            why get rid of GG when at least it’s content, it’s EVE related, and mostly relevant

            if people don’t like it, don’t read it. i don’t bitch out a magazine store because it has magazines i don’t like to read

            also Simon pieman’s mom and I like to read GG’s stuff together before bed

        • Bawk Bawkbagawk

          But we will have no way of knowing that will we? because by deleting comments you ensure that no one but the mods and the commenter will know what was deleted.

          • Bo Jangles

            I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. Comments with a purpose will not get deleted (unless they break another rule etc) the only comments that will get deleted are the ones that are no better than GG sucks spam and therefore will not be missed and have no direct impact on the discussion.

  • josephdamienfurlotte

    Goblins articles do not actually get read, the time spend on those pages is typically spent reading the comments after skipping the actual subject matter. Or spent writing the comments themselves. If you set up a separate page for comments not directly ON his pages, they would receive zero hits.

    I am sorry rivi, but he is literally the only Reasoning TM gets more hits, their posts come slower and drag on and on.

    • Pope

      I enjoy reading his articles. It’s the goons that have the problems with him and march over to this website to spam the comments with things that would get them banned on their own website… ironically.

      • Playos

        It’s not just goons… outside of the dread/titan DPS and goon carebear articles, most of his work is suspect at best and complete self-fapping logical fallacy.

    • orly?

      I would like any input you can provide on just how you know his articles do not get read? I can understand why one may suppose this to be the case. However, to state it as fact when there really is no way you can know for sure would seem to be what the new rules are all about.

      • josephdamienfurlotte

        After reading the comments section of many of his posts, most comments are “Got to XXXSPEWXXX and stopped reading” or ” Started then realized was goblin, **** this i am going elsewhere”

        To those who do read it, the loss of brain cells is stupendously similar to being hit in the head with a bat.

    • Dick Hauser

      I read all Goblin articles… every last word… and 9/10 times i scratch my head in disbelief at the nonsense…. but the 1/10 is gold.
      Would be a more boring game if not for gobbers.

  • Gsy

    Next step is to stop posting of ‘guest’ posts and make forum posting accountable, would solve the issue of meaningless dribble but obviously this is more challanging to do.

    • riverini

      Erhmmm, nope, I love the fact that you can guest post. That will stay.

  • atcq

    i like how there has to be a whole paragraph about gevlons articles. so, though most of the comments say his articles are shit, now you have to refrain from saying so, because of comment policy … EN24 should probably think about the fact that no other writer did need a whole paragraph to shield him from the audience that reads your site!

    • Bo Jangles

      You can tell us his articles are shit if you want. So long as you’re actually making a valid and reasoned point as opposed to seeing his name, and insta-commenting “GG sucks LoL” :)

      • atcq

        yeah, but did you guys even bother to think about why this is true for gevlon but none of the other writers on this site?
        and maybe come to the conclusion that indeed your readers are only “reading” the article for the hillarious comments? and indeed most of them hate gevlons articles?

        • Roy Smokesalot

          Agree. Hate Gevlon, come for the comments.

        • Jarhead

          perhaps because he defeated the Goons in hisec? forcing them to relinquish all the POCOs they owned. that they try to combat his credibility through vicious trolling of the comment section suggests to me that they are afraid of his influence.

          • atcq

            lol, i could agree with that if his articles didn’t have those comments before he even dreamed of fucking with the goons. but they had exactly the same comments independently of him hitting goon pocos or not.
            pls do your research next time, this goon poco highsec bash is a recent thing and EN24 was reposting his blog entries as news for much longer than that!

  • asd

    You can not operate a polarizing news website, promote polarizing articles and candidate for CSM while refusing to grant the same freedom of speech to others, expecting them not to give replies as polarized and stupid as some of the articles themselves.

    • riverini

      No, one thing is to blast us for one thing, the other is to simply write SHUT-UP a thousand times.

      there is a clear difference, so we are cleaning up a bit. Your comment does make a good point.

      • Koomji

        what about commenting on Simon pieman’s mom. it’s important we continue a 2-way dialog to improve her metrics

      • Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        I still will blast you Riverini, for keeping Gevlon. Really, is he litterbox trained or does he shit up the floor?

    • NoTech

      Strange that the “Freedom of Speech” card is played when it comes down to reduce abusive and/or offensive forum articles. As you might know -or not- freedom of speech has its limits.

      • Playos

        It is odd how “Freedom of Speech” only gets played when people say things other’s don’t like. Odd how that works /s

      • orly?

        Moderators have the right to decide what is signal and what is noise. If you want Freedom, I suggest a public sidewalk or perhaps a national park.

        • NoTech

          No, I’m perfectly fine with it, that’s where I was aiming. Moderators decide if its noise or legally challenging, there is the limit.

    • nobody

      Yeah, it’s his website, so he has the freedom to put whatever the hell kind of speech on there he wants. It’s HIS freedom of speech. It’s yours if you get your own website. “Freedom of speech” does NOT mean “freedom to use anyone’s microphone.”

  • billy

    Good rules. I agree with everything you say. Even the annoying goblin. Interesting to see another persons POV when its so different.

  • Nobody

    I don’t think this is a bad idea at all. It will make skimming the comments much quicker with merely the absence of “-A- is shit” and “Gevlin sucks” alone!!!

    I will look forward however, to the inevitable scholarly presentations of the above two exclamations with citations and references and detailed evidence, as the forth paragraph encourages, telling us all exactly why -A- is shit or whatever. That ought to be worth a laugh or two. At least at first. After enough lengthy dissertations we might wish they’d have left it at the current shortened 2 or 3 word comments.

  • Vincent Shanks

    1000s click Gevlon’s article to post hate comments. not read the article. imo

  • Unironically Meta

    Heavy-handed moderation? Basically TMC.

    • Bo Jangles

      Not heavy handed, Just less madness.

  • Woschdbrot

    Maybe you should ask yourself why people go berserk on Gevlon’s articles. Maybe, just maybe, it’s because he’s has a very limited point of view, has only 2 kinds of articles (gank = pvp and I’m the master of market games) and isn’t a decent writer. But I get what you tell us – he generates clicks. But let me tell you, considering the amount of hate and troll posted in his comment section + the likes for these comments, that’s the main source of clicks and you know it. But you keep him on the team to get more clicks instead of trying to get en24 on a better standard of coverage.

    This site has been in decline for quite some time – and comments are not the issue here.

    • ClausRasmussen

      >> Maybe you should ask yourself why people go berserk on Gevlon’s articles

      I do. Because the obvious thing to do if you don’t like a writer is to stop reading his articles ?

      I read several news outlets on a daily basis where there are journalists or authors I simply can’t stand. Guess what ? I just don’t click on the link and stop reading them ! How hard can it be ?

      Personally I find his articles interesting and thought provoking. Sometimes he is right, sometimes he is wrong, but he always makes me think. He is one of the main reasons I frequent this site.

  • WhoB

    Thank you. I’ve been hoping for some change for a while now.

    I was hoping for some kind of moderation system like slashdot but realize that takes time to implement and might be difficult for an Eve related site. The ‘featured comment’ thing you used on the Oculus thread is a nice way of emulating that.

    Concerning the ‘proof before you criticize an article’ I agree that the commenter should provide some evidence but I also think that ones they do you should make it clear to everyone reading the article that it’s content is in dispute. Maybe a tag at the top that leads to the critic maybe use the ‘featured comment’ for this as well.

    Finally, I prefer a news site that doesn’t agree with me on everything. That sometimes posts stuff I strongly disagree with. That challenges my way of looking at things and forces me to reconsider even if I, eventually, reach the same conclusion. That’s called journalism. The day all articles and comments agree with me fully I will leave this site and look for another because on that day you are biased.

    PS. thanks for keeping the anonymous option on comments so many sites forget that. It’s the opinion that matters – not who wrote it. For now I’ll just keep writing [email protected] in that box.

    • Bo Jangles

      Some good points that have definitely been noted :) Thanks ^-^

      • _a_ is shit

        Can you also add an exception to the one liner rule? I think anyone should be able to type “-A- is shit” without being moderated.

        • Bo Jangles

          I’m afraid that everyone knows -A- is shit so it would just be a waste of your, mine and the readers time ^_^

  • WhatWouldJesusDu

    Riverini is massive pile of Mexican dog shit.

  • BeringSeaTrawler

    Niggas gunna nig