As part of the run-up to The Mittani‘s announcement on Saturday, the following rather interesting thing was posted on EVE News 24, presumably by one of the CFC corp CEOs or other alliance leader. I don’t know who wrote it and would welcome information about who did in comments. But to me, what it says is actually more interesting than who actually put fingers to keyboard. Here’s the relevant bit (sic here and there throughout).

I’ve had a few folks come to me with concerns lately about whether or not the CFC is ruining the game for ourselves by taking over the galaxy. I would like to put that to rest with some explaining. πŸ™‚

First off, the CFC leadership talks often about how NOT to ruin the game for ourselves. A lot of people have the misperception that the CFC owns half of the galaxy atm. That is completely false. PL/N3 currently own MORE systems than the CFC and our Russian temporary allies in the south COMBINED. Obviously that disparity in income is bad for us (most of the sov is renter space, unlike CFC sov). By destroying a majority of what N3 owns and then letting the southern russian coalition move in, we hope to set up a 3rd powerbloc in the game to balance out the remains of N3/PL as well as the CFC. This will make the game more interesting, and thus funner to play. At that point the CFC will go home and deal with problems like the Fountain Core residents which are poking hard at the CFC’s side.

So don’t let your folks get discouraged that we’re ruining Eve. We’re aiming to make it better without getting the CFC killed off in the process.

On FHC, Marlona Sky put out an updated version of his light blue/amber/green/white map over the weekend. Here that is.

And another one is promised for next weekend. Needless to say, I’ll share it here when it’s posted.

But both the written statement and the map simplify a lot of points that really deserve more nuance. If I were to modify Marlona’s map, I’d make it look more like this:

When we have elections in the U.S., there are invariably “fact-checkers” who put the statements of candidates into some scrutiny, looking for statements that are true, false, misleading, or some combination. There are some things in the written CFC statement that deserve the same sort of look.

A lot of people have the misperception that the CFC owns half of the galaxy atm. That is completely false.

This is true, but misleading. This statement is built on the false assumption that all null-sec is created equal. Ever since CCP Greyscale got his hands on it, that is not the case. Deklein, Delve, and Fountain are premium null-sec regions each of which is worth much more than the average region in the galaxy. What would you rather own: three small flawless diamonds or a dozen larger pearls? I thought so. Unsurprisingly, the CFC feels the same way.

PL/N3 currently own MORE systems than the CFC and our Russian temporary allies in the south COMBINED.

First part: true, but misleading. Watch for the CFC to continue to combine “PL/N3” into one entity for a while to come. In the world of A Song of Ice and Fire, upon which Game of Thrones is based, a captured or beaten enemy is made to “bend the knee”, which includes a pledge never again to take up arms against the victor. PL isn’t quite in that situation, but after the embarrassment of B-R and the agreement they made with the CFC to evacuate after it fell, they’re damned close. Don’t expect to see PL and N3 acting in concert any time soon.

The second part of the statement is true, but still misleading: the east is much more dense in terms of the number of systems than the west. But again, not all null-sec regions are created equal. Detorid, where the hell-camp in 0-W is going on, for instance, is one of the most dense regions in null-sec. But most of it is -0.34 sec or worse; there is not a single -1.0 system in the region. Later in the statement, it’s stated that “most of the [eastern] sov is renter space.” That is a true statement. It’s also code for “it’s not space that anyone who is ~relevant~ would want to live in.”

By destroying a majority of what N3 owns and then letting the southern russian coalition move in, we hope to set up a 3rd powerbloc in the game to balance out the remains of N3/PL as well as the CFC.

True, and also quite telling. Look at my modification of Marlona’s map again. That’s where we’re headed: light blue for CFC, dark blue for the southern Russians, and cyan for entities that have formal treaty relations with the CFC such as the B0TLRD Accords. You might even call them Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia. The writer is stating that the CFC’s expectation is that once the hell-camp is done, cyan and dark blue will finish the job of crushing the orange of N3 between them (with maybe a few refugees allowed to remain either with PL or in Stainwagon).

Why do these two power blocs get to live while N3 does not? Because neither of them are existential threats to the CFC. N3 theoretically is, or at least publicly declared itself to be so. In so doing, they signed their own death warrant.

The PL bloc doesn’t have the will to press a major campaign to conclusion. The southern Russians don’t want anything the CFC has. And both of these power blocs have now shown through their actions that they are not serious threats to the CFC. Only with CFC willpower driving them have they been able to mount successful super-massive scale campaigns the likes of which it would be needed to dislodge the CFC. So they get to live so that the game can be “better without getting the CFC killed off in the process.”

This will make the game more interesting, and thus funner to play.

Now then, you tell me if this is true.

I revert back to my previous statement: once this war is done, the CFC will be doing everything necessary to ensure that any potential existential threat will be strangled in its crib long before we see another super-massive scale war or another risky huge super-cap fight. Sure, Eastasia and Oceania might ally to attack Eurasia, or Eurasia and Eastasia will ally to attack Oceania. But just as in Nineteen Eighty-Four, the B0TLRD Accords will ensure the home regions of each of these powers will remain inviolate as they squabble in carefully partitioned “buffer zones”… far from the income-generating lands of any of the three powers.

– Ripard Teg

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  1. Question Man

    Will N3 come back in the future as a relevant alliance in eve ?

    February 17, 2014 at 16:49 Reply
    1. the boy

      The alliances will loose all their corps to CFC except those which were in BoB.
      N3 members might scream and yell “lie neva gun hapen” but next week theyre going to be ratting in deklein.

      February 17, 2014 at 17:18 Reply
      1. Robo

        Lol cfc does not give the game style that many in N3 like to play. Aka challenges, fun, opportunity for individual identities to flourish, content that is not restricted by Mittens need for a safe/secure rmt platform.
        If you think band wagoning onto CFCs side due to having no spine or ability…then thinking you have achieved something…that your awesome when winning 1 fight in B-R, but getting outplayed constantly prior to that. If you think that gives you the ‘heroic’ or ‘inspirational’ factor, you couldn’t be more wrong.
        Cfc to this day has never done anything inspiring or heroic, they have always just out grinded their opponents due to their significant numerical advantage whilst getting slaughtered in the process up until the point where they get a odd fight that they succeed in. That way of winning wars is nothing to boast about.

        February 17, 2014 at 19:11 Reply
        1. pudding proof

          Since you’re here daily ranging about CFC RMT show us some proof, just a shred of evidence. As a 10 year eve player, I’m aware of a lot of RENT activity, old and new. You might be surprised to find that a lot of current RMT comes out of n3 and PL. Don’t hold anyone as an idol of purity, you would be devastated if you knew the truth.

          February 17, 2014 at 19:42 Reply
        2. smg77

          Yes your drone assist doctrine is a great example of a challenging, fun opportunity for individual identities to flourish.

          February 18, 2014 at 04:13 Reply
        3. Arrendis

          Frankly, you’ve hit the nail on the head without ever understanding what it means:

          The CFC out-grinds our opponents. This can be called ‘masochism’, it can be called ‘spite’, it can even be called ‘too dumb to know better’. What it amounts to is perseverance. Regardless of why we endure these grinds, the bottom line is that we do.

          You want to look for flashy exploits as an example of inspirational acts, go for it. It’s clearly not given you any staying power. As for me, yes, I do take inspiration from the idea that we continue to prove that when the going gets tough… we endure. We persevere. We win.

          Where’s your pro god now?

          February 21, 2014 at 07:05 Reply
    2. Robo

      The alliances within N3 have always survived against the odds, they shall continue to do so now, only the weak would question that.

      February 17, 2014 at 17:20 Reply
  2. eve player

    very nice analysis +1

    February 17, 2014 at 16:55 Reply

    Business as usual in Providence. May be crap space, but it is still our crap space! πŸ™‚

    February 17, 2014 at 17:01 Reply
    1. Jack

      For now.

      February 17, 2014 at 20:10 Reply
    2. Cozmo

      well, as long as you don’t do anything that displeases the Mittani. I think that slap on your hand was pretty clear.

      February 17, 2014 at 21:09 Reply
      1. NRDS FTW

        I think you misunderstand my point of view. I find it entertaining that the Mittani himself had to explain to those morons the consequences of their actions. As if anyone intelligent needs to be reminded Provi can be stomped on by any major sov holder. Threating to take Provi is bad joke and you put way too much value in it.

        February 23, 2014 at 01:41 Reply
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    February 17, 2014 at 17:08 Reply
  5. Oddsodz

    And this is why I have been yearning for the players over at the serenity shard to be combined to play with the rest of us. At this point in the game on TQ. There is no power bloc of any sort that can form up and kick any of the existing power blocs out. Due to the simple fact that if anybody wants to get into 0.0. They have join up (or pay up) with a current power bloc. If I had the charisma (and I don’t) to get 50 dudes to come PvP/take Sov in 0.0 with me. I would only get my corp pawned to a pulp. There is just no way a new bunch can do it. New players don’t have the Skil points to fly the ships needed. And so I am left with older bitter vets that have been around the block long enough too know that is just not worth the time or a fun game to play. The will to do it is gone. The only way now for anybody to take a system from the current power blocs is to do what is happening in that hell camp right now. Get 4000 dudes to login to one system and stay logged 23/7 in so that no meaningful fleet can getting to the system to stop you. Hell. You could do it all in rookie ships. Just need 4000 of you. CFC have that kind of man power. No body else dues. At this point in the game. CFC has won the game of 0.0. I see no reason to even try to break that could of power. Head bashing aganed a wall would be a better bet for winning

    February 17, 2014 at 17:17 Reply
    1. Dirk MacGirk

      Serenity? Seriously? You want an entire server where RMT is in fact allowed. You want an entire server of Chinese bots? More dudes from somewhere, just anywhere, isn’t the solution. The solution is modifications to the game’s sovwar mechanics and other mechanics that discourage single-point battles in favor of occupying space. Look beyond CFC. It is only doing what the game currently plays to.

      February 17, 2014 at 17:45 Reply
      1. Oddsodz

        I have no idea of how the players of the Serenity server conduct themselves. Alas, I can’t play there to find out. But More players is never going to be a bad thing. More player on TQ = more player to Pew Pew with. I Am also not saying that what the CFC has achieved is a bad thing in of it’s self. It has taken great skill in people management along with a not so small feat in IT infrastructure (website service) which I guess cost a good chunk of real world money (I could ague that it has been paid for by RMT but lets not go there just now – Lets just say Goons Get to RMT but Blink does not). They are playing the game they want to play and what CCP has put in place for them. Now the thing is. Who’s fault is it that 0.0 is the way that it is? I Don’t blame the CFC. I Think I should blame myself for not having the same people management flare. I have said this before on this site. It is hard to invade your friends when they are buying you beer at fanfest. I Still think a lot of things would change if when you want to bridge a fleet for your titan, Your Titan had to follow on with the fleet. Change the way power/force projection is carried out would go a long way the changing the game play in Eve.

        February 17, 2014 at 18:10 Reply
        1. Oddsodz

          ** Spelling ** fleet from your titan,

          February 17, 2014 at 18:12 Reply
      2. Subhuman

        Rather than a server where it is allowed for major players and not for the small guy? Yeah cause open RMT is so much worse than what is happening on Tranq.

        February 17, 2014 at 19:02 Reply
        1. Dirk MacGirk

          proof or you’re just dumb. nah forget it. You and Robo are just dumb. No logic just shit talk

          February 17, 2014 at 20:46 Reply
          1. Subhuman

            You worried you wouldn’t be able to make your mortgage payment if they allowed everyone to rmt dude? Go back over to TMc where your kind of retarded shitthrowing F1 pressing is actually considered leet pvp.

            February 17, 2014 at 22:45
          2. Konrad

            So which button are the real leet players pressing to become so “leet”? So far it seems to me it has been the ESC(ape) button.

            February 18, 2014 at 00:59
          3. Unknown

            *right click* *assist*………..for the l33test only. Soon to be the F key

            February 18, 2014 at 01:31
          4. Robo

            Bahahaa pot meets kettle mini shittler…

            February 17, 2014 at 22:51
      3. Dick MacPrick

        Ah, but higher-ups-level RMT and Russian bots are fine. Got it.

        February 17, 2014 at 20:19 Reply
        1. Dirk MacGirk

          No they aren’t dumbass. But when you understand how the plex-type system works on the Serenity server, then you can come here and talk. But since you don’t have that level of understanding, then feel free to just come here and shit things. Bot and RMT are bad everywhere. But when it is an integral part of that server, as it is because of how they do their version of plex, it probably wouldn’t be so good to mix the two. I have no issue at all if a billion screaming Chinamen are allowed onto this server. But it can’t be under their set of allowable circumstances. So don’t be a fucktard when you are ignorant of the fact. Try being polite and maybe ask: so how is that allowable over there that would make it an issue. Or don’t assume anyone agrees with the way far too many people RMT illegally over here. You just sound dumb and I’m assuming your mother raised you better.

          February 17, 2014 at 20:33 Reply
  6. Robo

    Nice read, cfc misleading their grunts as per usual… Good that some are wising up slightly though, funny that twisted half truths as predicted are force fed.

    February 17, 2014 at 17:17 Reply
    1. Jaime Gomes

      cant you just stop posting for a week or so? Man you are the worst example of an n3 warrior. always bleh ble bleh ble bleh bleh bleh.

      February 17, 2014 at 18:31 Reply
      1. Robo

        Your irrelevant, as you prove… Don’t like hearing truth, logic… Simply go to TMC to suck on teet for ever more, fine with me πŸ™‚

        February 17, 2014 at 18:59 Reply
        1. Barkaway

          Im pro N3 and i really dont like CFC, but man you are not doing a good job on selling your case, cant you atleast take a break from yelling RMT and the grunts of CFC are beeing lied to!!!!
          I think they dont care, they just play their game because its easy to be on the winning side and they basically dont give a fuck…

          February 17, 2014 at 20:10 Reply
          1. pudding proof

            Only thing they care about are all his tears. The constant cries of RMT are old and unsubstantiated. RMT goes on all over EVE, in every alliance. Robo is just another lemming that hates CFC because people tell him to hate CFC. Fact is there are great people in every alliance and assholes in every alliance. CFC, n3, PL all have plenty of both. HTFU

            February 18, 2014 at 06:43
      2. Subhuman

        The truth will out. Think on this goon peons ratting yourself into an early grave .. IF Mittens was not involved in RMT, how could he afford to live in NY AND give up his job. 1.5 cent clicky adverts? I think not.

        February 17, 2014 at 19:01 Reply
        1. Dirk MacGirk

          Dude he lives in shitty Wisconsin, not NY. And I’m quite certain his wife has a job. So its all good.

          February 17, 2014 at 20:42 Reply
        2. Arrendis

          No no no, I’m the one in New York. And I promise, I’m not RMTing to live here.

          February 21, 2014 at 07:12 Reply
      3. Robo

        Don’t see mittens camping with you eh, grinding in bombers?… Oh yea he wouldn’t waste his time doing that, his lackeys serve their purpose once more.

        February 17, 2014 at 19:41 Reply
        1. Arrendis

          Keep on believing that.

          February 21, 2014 at 07:10 Reply
  7. Jevous Encule

    Ripard, to answer your question in regards to your last statement: “CFC will be doing everything necessary to ensure that any potential existential threat will be strangled in its crib long before we see another super-massive scale war or another risky huge super-cap fight.”
    Yes I think it is true. Now..Would this be a good thing or a bad thing for Eve?

    February 17, 2014 at 17:18 Reply
    1. Robo

      Lack of content & a safe secure platform devout of competition for Mittens inner circle to rmt is of course bad for eve.

      February 17, 2014 at 17:21 Reply
      1. Jevous Encule

        I dont know about the RMT part (seriously you really like to bang that nail in bro! lol ), but one thing for certain, is that Eve’s null sec area has become another notch harder to see any change in power. If you look at it from a potential player perspective. If you are thinking of joining Eve with the wish of (one day) being part of the team that will overthrow the number 1 in power, your reality has seriously being checked with the events that occured in the last few weeks. I agree effort is the norm to achieve such a goal but, it just got to a point where it is becoming a real joke. I would be seriously concerned if I was at CCP. The game is over 10 years old, hard to code with old bugs and issues that will not get fixed. New competitors are developping similar universes that show a lot of promises. I mean…wow! I could be wrong but …On the long run, it does not look to good for Eve atm!!

        February 17, 2014 at 18:57 Reply
    2. Dirk MacGirk

      That is bullshit. CFC isn’t going to strangle anything. The reality is the CFC will go home and chill HOPING something worth fighting actually does grow up out there. The supercapital paradigm has shifted in favor of the CFC. Not on a day to day basis. That will likely remain the dominion of BL and PL. But from a sovwar perspective, the CFC is now unrivaled. It takes more time than the others to spin up, but once it gets its lumbering ass moving, its pretty unstoppable. The fact is that it would basically take almost everything that isn’t CFC to form into a unified threat. And that is unlikely to happen. Too many disparate groups out there. And PL probably doesn’t want to head it up and lead.

      February 17, 2014 at 17:28 Reply
      1. I just do not know

        PL are incapable of heading it up or leading it, no one trusts them, as for wanting to do it, well they have no reason to do so, as they have an agreement with the CFC which keeps them and the CFC secure.

        February 17, 2014 at 18:23 Reply
        1. Dirk MacGirk

          Then there are no others to take the real leadership of an opposition. Nobody but PL has the level of proven leadership, experience and coordination to match the organization of the CFC war machine. Actually, BL has some smart guys that could probably get the strategy and leadership part done, that really isn’t their game. And seriously, I’m not sucking the PL cock here. Just trying to envision a group strong enough to harness all of the various entities it would take to get the job done. Nobody else has really shown that level of coordination. Not in a very long time.

          February 17, 2014 at 20:04 Reply
          1. Robo

            N3 culmination has good leadership and structure, but they are more Pvp orientated, not bear/safe I need 3 quarters of eve on my side orientated.

            February 17, 2014 at 20:26
          2. Dirk MacGirk

            well then they aren’t going to beat CFC if they can’t merge their l337ness with numbers of less l337 groups. It takes more than just being l337. It takes a willingness to command those people in a way that doesn’t make them feel like serfs. They’ve never learned how to do that. Opposition to CFC will REQUIRE a combination of skill and numbers. But you won’t get those numbers if your attitude is l337 twats over here and all the rest of you shitlords can die in a fire

            February 17, 2014 at 20:39
          3. Robo

            Completely and utterly incorrect, to be blunt you may want to know what your talking about before you assume from your evident lack of knowledge…many in N3 as you like to say ‘narritive wise’ are not ‘l33t’.
            Nexus being newbros, Fraternity, Kadeshi, Cult, to name but a few have flourished in N3, having their own identity, ability to learn off experienced parties, which in turn has allowed them to become successful Pvp orientated alliances, not necessarily needing assistance from a whole coalition.

            This is a significant contrast to cfc alliances inabilities to do anything on their own, needing the whole bear unit to help Fweeends out.

            February 17, 2014 at 22:48
          4. Dirk MacGirk

            Oh please. The only N of consequence in N3 was NCdot and they carried themselves so far above everyone else with their elitist attitudes. The rest were “others” and in the end feel like “others”. They may be aligned against the grr goons, but in the end they are second class citizens to NCdot who only need them for fodder. Goons may rule the roost in the CFC, and the other CFC alliances know that, but they rarely if ever present themselves as being somehow “better” than the other alliances. They downplay their capabilities and importance even though we know how important they are organizationally. But whatever. None of it really matters at this point. Gotta go. second hellcamp timer needs my drone assist attention.

            February 17, 2014 at 23:41
          5. Exporer

            The only alliance of consequence in the CFC is GSF, and everyone else in the CFC is considered second class citizens. Saying otherwise is rather ridiculous.

            February 18, 2014 at 01:29
          6. Arrendis

            Feel free to keep believing that. It just demonstrates how little you know about the CFC’s organizational structure.

            February 21, 2014 at 07:14
          7. Exporer

            Beating CFC will REQUIRE numbers. If CFC has proven anything at all, it’s that numbers is the only thing that does matter.

            February 18, 2014 at 01:24
          8. asdf

            When you’re able to use your numbers to start a massive QQ campaign to get anything and everything that could possibly counter numbers nerfed into the ground, this becomes true.

            February 18, 2014 at 01:31
      2. Jevous Encule

        The reality is that the CFC will go home and chill hoping (and bored to death) for something fun enough to stump …to (when) it rises. You imply that they would wait for an organization to become seriously powerful enough to become a threat before engaging it. I dont think they will have that patience. And looking at the map, I do not think this will happen in a short to mid term basis at all.

        February 17, 2014 at 19:12 Reply
        1. Dirk MacGirk

          No, I don’t imply they will sit around waiting for an existential threat to arrive at their doorstep. That would be dumb. I implied they will likely go home after this current war and basically chillax and clear up some trash that collected back at home. And get bored. Then when something worth fighting steps up they will go out and fight it. That doesn’t preclude individual alliances within CFC, groups of CFC alliances, or even intra-coalition squadrons like Eurogoons from doing their own thing. But the coalition as a whole will likely just relax for a bit until something more substantial pokes its head up. Who knows, 6 months from now the CFC may be going to shit on -A- for lolz. No telling what will happen in Eve. But the CFC isn’t going to try and kill off every little alliance out there under the guise of it being a possible existential threat. CFC could have pushed harder on NCdot and didn’t. It’s not good business to kill all the enemies.

          February 17, 2014 at 19:58 Reply
          1. Gutmitttenslikeafish

            And yet killing off every other independant alliance in Null is exactly what they have done.
            How the fuck is any new alliance going to get a chnace to grow and become a power. It’s literally impossible now.

            February 18, 2014 at 11:33
          2. Arrendis

            Certain alliances w/in the CFC have made moves that were not, in my opinion, necessarily in the best interests of a healthy nullsec ecosystem, it’s true. However, the various CFC alliances do retain significant autonomy outside of Coalition-level activities, so what are we going to do, shoot RZR for pushing their smaller neighbors in the NE into failscade last spring?

            February 21, 2014 at 07:18
    3. This is definately a proven track record of the CFC. I mean remember when they deployed to the drone regions to kill N3 in its infancy when it was fighting SOLAR?

      February 17, 2014 at 17:30 Reply
  8. wtf

    Whe the fuck Legion of death is “neutrall”
    I saw them fighting for n3/pl

    February 17, 2014 at 17:29 Reply
    1. nanq

      CFC I’m afraid have a NIP in place with Legion of Death in regards to your displeasure.

      February 17, 2014 at 17:46 Reply
  9. RIP Nullsec

    This is now just a single powerbloc. N3 is going to die soon and the RUS and PL are CFC pets. No new alliances have a chance of springing up, so where are future conflicts going to come from?

    February 17, 2014 at 17:44 Reply
    1. Dirk MacGirk

      Conflicts are going to come from the same places they always have: changes in the environment, changes in the people involved, changes in the game mechanics. IF those things are capable of evolving then conflict will eventually occur

      February 17, 2014 at 18:10 Reply
    2. praying

      If we are lucky CFC will die from within just as BoB did after they won Eve.

      February 18, 2014 at 21:37 Reply
  10. Foreverwar

    Eastasia has always been at war with Eurasia

    February 17, 2014 at 19:16 Reply
    1. M1k3y Koontz

      *Psst* Oceania is the first nation in that sentence.

      I kinda want to reread 1984 now…

      February 17, 2014 at 23:54 Reply
  11. DrkyDrky

    The best part is that time is on CFC’s side. By the time N3PL fully recovers from B-R, CFC will have a superfleet that will that will dwarf N3PL’s at their peak and it will continue to get bigger.

    For you CFC haters out there, if you want to stop CFC, it’s now or never!!!

    February 17, 2014 at 20:28 Reply
    1. Dirk MacGirk

      no, it was yesteryear. At the latest it was Fountain. Now you’re just fucked.

      February 17, 2014 at 20:34 Reply
      1. brathahn

        indeed, N3/PL/HBC had three quaters of eve, the same numbers, cap advantage and the better position in fountain.
        if you compare the premium regions, they had also their advantages on their side + secure renter space you couldn’t attack with heavy gear due to distance benefits for the defenders.

        they had everything but their biggest problem was that there are to many egos and they are unable to team up, they never had the same aims, never the needed fire to fight it out to the end, never willed to make it hard as possible.

        you can laugh at the CFC for their bomber grind fleets, about their harphy fleets or other welps, some capital welps and so on. the point is, that group of people grew up and formed a unit. they are fighting it out. they keep up the pressure over weeks and month if needed. pings over pings in the CFC and N3 is power docking since fountain and waits that somebody hold their hands for example.

        at the end, CFC was the first real enemy N3/PL had to fought themself. PL+Test was not even able to kick out S2N out of delve alone and had to call for help from the CFC. after all this “CFC needs 4:1 to win” bullshit it is no even worth a tired laugh for N3/PL. you need more than a bad propaganda to win a real fucking war.

        February 17, 2014 at 22:48 Reply
        1. Dirk MacGirk

          yeah. The reason I raise Fountain as the last good shot anyone had to put CFC on the back foot was because they hadn’t gotten their act together with supers and titans at that point AND they were susceptible to a multi-front war drawing their attention away. They are still susceptible to a multi-front war, just given the distances involved, but have now obviously resolved some issues with the capitals.

          February 17, 2014 at 23:29 Reply
          1. Arrendis

            And we’re getting some experience with the ‘two ocean navy’ concept.

            February 21, 2014 at 07:19
    2. Robo

      Incorrect, N3/PL replace and continue to grow there supers fleets, with the experienced pilots to back them being a positive for them.
      You take far too much away from 1 victory, yes cfc undoubtedly have the upper hand right now, and there’s nothing N3/PL can do about that, attacking now would achieve little.
      Have to remember N3/PL successfully used adaption of titans/supers slows throughout the war, it is 1 single battle that went in cfc/Rus favour… Remember also that cfc had 3 quarters of null blue to them boasting significant numerical advantage against an opponent out of timezone, taken by suprise.
      Cfc can build their super fleet, if there’s another engagement of the likes of B-R and N3/PL recover, odds on successfully usage/victories would put N3/PL as favourites to beat cfc super fleet.
      I’d go as far as saying that it’s a good thing cfc think they can drop their supers in when ever they like, means more opportunities to kill them πŸ™‚

      February 17, 2014 at 22:36 Reply
      1. brathahn

        experienced pilots ?

        your expirienced titan killmail whores lost a battle for you LOL

        February 17, 2014 at 22:56 Reply
        1. lol

          yeah not outnumbered at all right? youre a fucking dumb faggot scrub, fuck back to fade to rat you piece of shit

          February 18, 2014 at 11:38 Reply
  12. Joe Neal

    i think the part that says the n3/pl has more sov is false. if u combine all the systems of cfc and rus u have slightly more then n3/pl

    February 17, 2014 at 20:46 Reply
    1. Robo

      3 quarters of the influence map is blue to each other, says enough…

      February 17, 2014 at 22:28 Reply
    2. Unknown

      can people stop combining rus and CFC…..its getting pretty annoying. If you knew anything about this war you would know that RUSRUS is resetting CFC after the war is over. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.

      February 18, 2014 at 01:13 Reply
      1. Michael

        Until all your space is taken again and papa goon has to come save you from annihilation again.

        February 18, 2014 at 01:48 Reply
      2. lol

        OH MY GOD


        February 18, 2014 at 11:36 Reply
      3. pft

        So we are not supposed to look at CFC and RUS as one because they might reset each other (but probably keep a NIP at least)?

        Please say with a straight face that you expect RUSRUS to become a strong and 100% INDEPENDENT block in 0.0 – You are not allowed to laugh or smile with in the first min after saying that.

        …. at the same time you probably pretend that PL is still a part of the opposing block even though they have ‘bend the knee’?

        February 18, 2014 at 21:34 Reply
        1. Arrendis

          Saying that with a straight face is easy.

          Of course, I also practiced long hours to be able to say, “No, I’m not evil,” with a straight face.

          Believe me, that was much harder.

          February 21, 2014 at 07:21 Reply
  13. Carlos

    CFC have ruined the game by buying loyalty with isk or intimidation.
    We are in dire need of another leader that will rally everyone and burn the north.
    But while there are entities like BL taking scraps from the Mittanies table, there will be no victory.
    What a pleasent sight it will be to see goonswarm evacuating to empire again, just like before. XD

    February 17, 2014 at 20:58 Reply
    1. Dirk MacGirk

      how would you like to see loyalty created that would make it suitable for your version of Eve? Through goodwill and love? Spreading wealth, forming bonds and even intimidation are all valid ways of creating loyalty. Me thinks you are just not happy with the outcome.

      February 17, 2014 at 21:24 Reply
      1. Carlos

        the past is full of examples. giving out regions at the end of the war is the most common way.
        Franctically, I am more worried about this stagnation/monopoly. I rather see it all burn XD

        February 17, 2014 at 21:32 Reply
        1. Dirk MacGirk

          giving regions is about spreading wealth. no point in having space unless you can do something with it. but some groups don’t want more space. or space at all. so you use other carrots. Or you use sticks. Motivation comes in many flavors and can be individualized as needed.

          February 17, 2014 at 21:44 Reply
    2. Dino

      Why people always mention BL and not PL. They have been in OTEC (and B0TLRD) for ages and didn’t commit to fountain war.

      February 17, 2014 at 21:30 Reply
  14. qwer

    Could someone elaborate how I’m supposed to count the systems as I get something like +1200 systems for CFC+RUS and something above 800 for N3/PL?

    February 17, 2014 at 22:01 Reply
    1. Robo

      Just look at the influence map and see for your self 3 quarters of null is blu to each other lmfao…

      February 17, 2014 at 22:26 Reply
      1. Dirk MacGirk

        Can’t just look at regions. Some regions have very few systems. Others have many. But the basic influence map is regionally based.

        February 17, 2014 at 23:24 Reply
    2. Ncdawt

      Thanks for the overview. I have been knowing that the cfc/rus have way more systems than ever told by themselves, but haven’t noticed that it is so explicit.
      Wonder which way of propaganda would be used to deny the truth!

      February 18, 2014 at 13:51 Reply
  15. Dinsdale Pirannha

    Wanna see chaos? Wanna see fights?
    Simple enough.

    Have CCP revert back to where each null region was a wealthy as another.
    I am not say every region is perfectly homogenized, but each region has roughly the same amount of really good systems, and not so good systems.

    The renters would lose their shit when they wake up to find their -0.5 system is now a -0.3 system after DT, or vice versa. The goons and PL would even go more nuts, as places like Deklin are not so great anymore.

    The attacks on the Jita statue would be beyond imagination.
    Then the goon strategic command would sit down and figure out who they would hit first, and what systems they would go after, and the war might actually last months.

    Then again, I could be wrong, and the businessmen of the renter empires might just sit down at the negotiation table and trade systems, and that would be that.

    February 17, 2014 at 22:57 Reply
  16. United

    Good to have you onboard Rip!

    February 18, 2014 at 01:29 Reply
  17. United

    How does this stack up compared to when the DRF attacked the Northern Coalition?

    February 18, 2014 at 01:33 Reply
  18. Uhm

    Uhm Sorry but the OP seems to think that Goonswarm controlling all of Null is different from owning a large part of it. BULL.
    Goonswarm and the top men behind the outfit CONTROL all off nullsec by way of Botl0rd accords and other behind the scenes agreements.
    And why do such large coalitions need to control it all with agreements to main monumental isk income ? Because RMT is behind it all. All the isk selling sites out there are not being funded by the average joe or wannabe alliances.
    Think about it.

    February 18, 2014 at 02:19 Reply
    1. hmm

      i thought about it, you are fagola

      February 18, 2014 at 05:34 Reply
      1. lol

        is that you mittens?

        February 18, 2014 at 11:34 Reply
        1. Arrendis

          I’m afraid the Mittani has a pronounced tendency to use such innovative, cutting-edge techniques in his writing as ‘capitalization’, ‘proper spelling’, and even ‘only using words that actually exist’. He’s also known to be a bit long-winded, and would likely find seven words neither verbose, nor eloquent enough to suit his tastes.

          Also, I hear he’s something of a sarcastic fellow, from time to time.

          tl;dr: The answer to your query appears to be negative at this time.

          February 21, 2014 at 07:27 Reply
  19. Cannonball1

    The best analysis EVE-related analysis I have read in a long time. Though many of the points are very obvious, many more are very nuanced. Good work!

    February 18, 2014 at 03:27 Reply
  20. WaKKO151

    Big Blue Donut….

    February 18, 2014 at 03:33 Reply
  21. Giro

    You know i stopped playing eve a short while (3 or 4 months) after the DRF vs NC war back in the north. Everyone got scared of the big blue dounut and stuff just like now the good thing bout eve are the small meta things like an alliance breaking beacause of one little Mishap and stuff. The game will Balance itself and tbh the Influence map looks pretty much the same it did back in 2010 just the names changed slightly…

    February 18, 2014 at 04:47 Reply
  22. Jitabyspring

    Sorry folks the blue donut does win and bickering about it is now just idle chat. As someone who quit the game and stuck to it after the greed is good crap I can tell you as a neutral observer it’s over and here is why.

    The vast majority of people on this thread seem to forget that CCP AND CFC colluded together to change the rules of eveonline mid game to give CFC complete control of nullsec.

    Perhaps some of you remember a fucking shit stain moronic group of retards that went under the name of Morsus Mihi? In their legendary stupidity they sold most of their titans and supers to a group of Russians who used bots in drone regions to shrewdly hoodwink these fools. Shortly after the Russians ejected said short bus riders from their space in record time to the glee of the entire community. It was very amusing for everyone, stupidity was punished . That was until the Russian bear and it’s unstoppable army of tracking titans and uber powerful supers with 1000s of drones backed up by a bot army second to none, glanced at the CFC….

    Wait a minute says ccp this is all very unfair they say, and overnight with the push of button the Russians prized drones lands is as valuable as a luxury high rise in down town Chernobyl.

    We didn’t want that land anyway says the bear, as it heads off to Deklien and then what happens… Mitanni the brilliant strategist and great leader pulls a Lance Armstrong and the next day the great Russian fleet is nerphed into the ground and it’s Mitanni and his 2000 man tengu fleet that save the day as the non English speaking bear is publicly humiliated and thrown back to hi sec.

    The point of the story is this. Why the fuck are YOU, YOU PERSONALLY still supporting this bullshit game with your time and money. Even if you could win, with some brilliant strategy that turn the table on the big bad CFC, they would simply bat phone Ccp and have your strategy declared illegal until they have time to emulate it. But by then you will be publicly flogged and enjoying the rest of your eve life in jita scamming noobs.

    Wake the fuck up.

    February 18, 2014 at 06:52 Reply
    1. lol

      Well about Morsus Mihi… They built those titans with the ISK income they made from R64 printing moons – by that i mean moons that were WORTHLESS would magically create R64 goo out of thin air until someone told CCP and the offending corps were DING DONG BANNU’ed out of the game. Ever wondered why MM was the only fucking alliance in the game to have as many titans as bob back then?

      February 18, 2014 at 11:33 Reply
    2. Derek Colby

      Ya the Russians are second to none in strategy games, look at all their chess champions. The mistake they made was playing a game which claimed to be an impartial sandbox. Unlike say chess though the developers actually didn’t want a minority of Russians controlling their game so they fixed it so a docile and pathetic CFC could easily win with what they had available which was numbers and tengus lol.

      You are right about one thing also, the computer in war games said it best ” the only way to win is not to play.” I took personal responsibility this morning and bio massed six accounts and feel great about it. I will no longer support a company that directly conspires with a group of players for a desired outcome. The CCP/CFC alliance and let’s face it, that’s what it is can be easily defeated if all non CFC members unsub for say 2 months . No one would have to do a thing and all the lance armstronging in the world would save either group.

      February 18, 2014 at 14:58 Reply
      1. cfc.grunt

        I gave you a + because you quit the game and i will give you a – because you are still writing about this game. Get the fuck out of here.

        February 18, 2014 at 16:41 Reply
  23. Johnno

    I guess i am done with this game. Real shame, played it since 2006.
    And i will not be the only one unsubbing.

    February 18, 2014 at 11:07 Reply
    1. No one cares

      Haha, you dumb fag

      February 19, 2014 at 00:19 Reply
  24. oh dear me

    tbh, this has been coming for some time. pvp in alliances that have the ability to change the game sucks for me being aussie (we have virtually no internet – its like 30%tidi at login). I was going to quit, but I stayed. I play the highsec carebear game, I pos it up, make shit and run the occasional mission. now I make virtually afk billions a month by replacing the shit the pvp people lose.
    yes its boring shooting red x’s, but so is trying to shoot shit in tidi in a country where the politicians and business cant sort shit regarding interweb.
    my plan is to stockpile a half dozen titans worth of isk and see if the intorweb finally reaches us – if it does, the Herrick will be back.

    February 18, 2014 at 11:39 Reply
  25. RA dude

    0.0 block map today:

    Blue elephant guy (CFC) is looking angrily at cyan leech (PL), which is sucking blood (or brains?) from the fat orange body with small dick (N3). At the same time, the fatty is being eaten from below by the dark blue octopus (Rusrus) wearing a light green hat (Proviblock).

    If you only see a boring doughnut, you should probably change your combat booster dealer.

    February 18, 2014 at 11:41 Reply
  26. byebyenull

    So finally after completing their big blue doughnut, some ppl really think that other entities will have a chance in null?? In no way will CFC/CCP coalition let that happen.
    The only thing for them left to do is harrass people in hi sec by wardecking them and getting their hard-on that way.
    After this war is done, they really made it happen destroy a game for over a half million gamers worldwide that enjoyed it for as long as it lasted.
    The only sensible thing CCP can do is fire their staff, let Jove empire completely clear out null and lets start over again!!
    Would love to see that happen! and ohh while in the process CCP can finally make sure they reset all their fuckups from last couple of years… (maybe some rewritten code where they dont have time for to write)

    February 18, 2014 at 15:36 Reply
  27. Ex EVE player/Ex Fountain core

    There should be NPC systems in every region. If possible in jump range to empire. There would be more non sov holding groups in 00 and much more small scale PVP.

    Moon mining should be like PI, every player should have access. No POS’s needed like now. That way big alliances leadership will not have interest to invade some region just because it have more moons worth fighting for. ISK would be more evenly spread to all players so there wouldn’t be so much alliances able to buy supercaps. Alliacens should be forced by game mechanics to build supercaps bu themselves.

    Sorry for my bad English, it’s not my 1st language

    February 18, 2014 at 15:43 Reply
  28. AVK

    It is not true that no one wants to live in the bad space, there’s plenty of small and medium sized groups who could make use of the space, but the CFC/N3/PL have trampled over all of them to create sprawling rental empires. Every system taken by a renter is a system not being used by real players, therefore not creating meaningful content, not writing new stories, not making new PR for CCP. Just bots and humans who may as well be bots doing nothing of note.

    February 18, 2014 at 16:00 Reply
  29. Solar is best

    If you want to beat CFC, you N3/PL boys need to come to MACTEP (read MASTER) and suck his cock till he get satisfied and turn his armies against CFC. The combined migtht of DD+ Solar + what is left of your armies will roll over CFC. But remember, you have to suck it very well and dont forget to swalow.
    Solar grunt out for killing some more N3 poses in Detorid

    February 18, 2014 at 17:00 Reply
    1. Jevous Encule

      Your best candidate for this would be Progodlegend. I heard he is an elite at this sort of task. I would even say it is probably is “reason d’Γͺtre”.

      February 18, 2014 at 17:05 Reply
  30. not wrong...

    Copied from another thread….

    NC was just a massive
    collective of bears who blobbed one system when attacked but at least dropped everything
    they had. Unlike Goons who needed the rest of Eve to hold their nut sack for
    the single instance they dared to drop their big toys and only then when they
    had that much more it wasn’t even a fight.

    The problem is CCP not really Goons, CCP allowed themselves
    to be dictated to by a single in game group which has changed the game forever
    and not for the good of everyone. I don’t blame Mittens at all for trying to
    gain an advantage, although i do doubt the morality of purposely breaking a
    game hundreds of thousands of people play to better your own game.

    CCP should have and should do things to prevent the ability
    to maintain such massive coalitions and cause more conflict. Renting of any
    form shouldn’t be possible with Sov mechanics, moon mining of any form should
    be removed as its basically botting and replaced with active mining collected
    by the players doing the mining – so they have to actually hand over the
    “goo” and not simply a pos maintained by a director who simply
    collects free isk.

    With the above the game pushes back to corp / alliance size
    groups who might have friends but they have their own shit to deal with. Not
    massive blob of bored people and one puppet master collecting all the benefits
    and picking who gets what.

    The same way as NC. / PL shouldn’t get free isk renting
    systems, as i said already it shouldn’t be possible to do this and make corps
    and alliances think up ways to actually make isk or at the very least if your going
    to extort it do more than simply log in.

    But CCP won’t do any of the above until they lose subs and
    by then it will be way too late, i stand by my original comments that its basically
    game over baring a reset or massive game changing event but even then the isk hoarded
    to date by CFC is out of this world and will take years to dwindle down.

    So who will ever change that? NC. and PL where simply the
    only ones who could and now PL are safely back to pet status and NC. are being
    chased down to finish them off that’s it really…. The few people like myself
    who have stuck around for that “last big war” the beating of Goons
    know even for anything to ever happen it’s going to take years and big changes
    , which i myself aren’t prepared to pay to wait for – hell I’ve been doing that
    for years, how much longer do we wait on CCP to fix a broken game?

    February 19, 2014 at 00:50 Reply
  31. lol

    New server please with anti-blob built in.

    February 19, 2014 at 01:30 Reply

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