In the aftermath of some of the best discussion ever on the Dust forum [aka the thread that wont go away] Our blog recently had a sitdown with the infamous Goons and talked Dust, good times were had by all. Bombs were dropped. Also here is our our sitdown with TEST.

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO

1. ‘I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again and it’ll be just as worthless a comment for CCP as it ever was, but: make station capture in EVE require Dust mercs. Stations changing ownership by firing at them is pretty ridiculous and it’s the one place where Dust makes absolute sense to EVE.’ We saw this suggestion and loved it…what other roles could dust bunnies play in EVE?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
The key is to give both games roles that aren’t reliant on one another. You want the roles these games play to dovetail and work in tandem and not be required to do one thing or the other. Making one game required to achieve a goal wouldn’t work and would only serve to alienate one player base or the other. DUST mercenaries should have roles that are irrespective of what happens in Space (and vice-versa) but can offer a compelling reason for EvE and DUST to cooperate.

The current iteration of Faction Warfare is a great first step towards showing what we might be able to achieve on the ground. If this was polished and iterated on, it could be a compelling tide-turner. Further, DUST Mercenary Control could reduce Sov costs if a number of planets blue to the System Holders reaches a certain threshold. At the same time, this could afford a number of benefits to the Mercenaries on the ground: increased salvage gain at the end of matches, increased payouts, or any number of things.

A third role a DUST character could play is general sabotage of EvE space-structures: Territorial Control Units, etc. Winning matches within, could sabotage and offline these structures early giving the winning team a foothold in space.

Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO
The basic commodity that the DUST mercenary is providing is labor. This is something Kane Spero and I have talked about a lot. The general notion is that the dust mercs offer the capsuleers shortcuts to traditional objectives, or the ability to influence things outside their traditional sphere. The classic examples are of course the ability to affect Planetary Infrastructure, Shift control indexes in Faction Warfare or Incursions, or affect POS fuel costs in Molden Heath. These are a good start, but they lack a visceral and compelling sense of impact.

Though it might seem a natural fit because of our background, I’m actually really paranoid about DUSTs application to Sov Null. There’s a lot to go wrong there, and I think the risks at this stage far outway the possible rewards. Faction Warfare, Low Sec, and Player Owned Stations seem to be a much safer starting point.

I would love to see capsuleers issuing contracts to take down POS shields, steal moon goo or reaction products, disrupt local chat as an intel source, affect LP payouts on plexes or ratting income, and other such inventive and disruptive, but not war defining, affects. A fun off the cuff idea for sov null might be liberating assets trapped in hostile stations, one gruelling battle at a time.

An idea I’d particularly like to see is DUST tied into the exploration mechanics. So that Data, Relic or Ghost sites, once located hacked and looted by capsuleers in the traditional manner, can be contracted out. Both teams would have a timed race to hack and hold a central objective (ala domination) in a hostile environment after which the winner (if any) gets rewarded by the capsuleer and the capsuleer gets some bonus loot delivered to his hangar.

2. What has to happen so that the social components of Dust 514 more resembles New Eden?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
The single most important thing to build a robust DUST 514 community, akin to that seen with EvE Online, is the release of an API.

An API with endpoints for Employment Histories, Wallet Histories, Skill Sheets, and Asset Lists. APIs allow for corp tracking and keeping track of their members and easier authenticating of new members. It allows for more robust EFTs and skill-training programs. An API could even lead to the potential for a DUST killboard. Nearly everything that has to do with EvE these days, relies on a robust and open API for characters, corporations, and even alliances.

DUST only players, however, don’t even have access to their own corporation or alliance’s API. They are are restricted to EvE players to get those keys for them.

Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO
There’s basically two contexts for intra-faction communication. The first is immediate in game communication that is objective oriented. Robust ingame voice comms are really the only way to handle this due to hardware constraints and the fact that it’s really hard to text chat while being shot in the face. EVE traditionally handles this through Mumble or Teamspeak because EVE Voice is unreliable and difficult to administer for large fleet fights. An overhaul/upgrade of EVE voice’s backend and customizability would be the obvious solution. But that might be precluded due to software or licensing reasons we’re not aware of.

The second is socialization and orientation outside of matches. In EVE this is rarely handled with in game channels. Chat rooms are typically too fast moving, too crowded, and too timezone dependent for anything outside immediate announcements. This is usually handled with third party applications like Forums, Jabber, Mumble servers, event calendars, wikis. For most of the established EVE groups this infrastructure is already in place, but it’s security is entirely API dependant. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel here we simply need to give mercenaries the ability to securely access this infrastructure.

There’s a larger question here of how do we indoctrinate new players into the New Eden mindset; get them grounded in the lore, the factionalism, and the idea that New Eden is a fundamentally social experience and the social nexus of that experience is the corporation. That is largely depends on a robust New Player Experience.

3. Both Templar One and the battle over Caldari Prime saw ships crash on the surface of planets.

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO

These were great mini-events, though heavily scripted, that needed to go further. The Battle for Caldari Prime energized some players, while it confounded others. Many aren’t used to, or even aware, there’s an expansive wiki on the New Eden universe and were therefore lost as to who Tibius Heath was, or why they should care. Both events became just a cool map with some okay rewards. A more immersive experience is required. This could happen through game videos that are pushed out with an Update (like the old Introduction video) that gives a short :30-1:00 long SCOPE news alert about anything happening.

When I played EvE, on the login screen, there was a news feed ostensibly run by The SCOPE. These text-blitzes had news reports of things happening in both Player-Controlled Alliances as well as NPC ones. At the very least, this should be on the DUST login screen as well. Little touches like this, allow for greater immersion in the world and show the stakes that are on hand for the Mercenary.

4. EVE is well-known for its industry. What roles can mercenaries fill here?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO

Industry in EvE is a tough nut to crack and one where some in EvE Online are chomping at the bit to produce items for a new segment of the population: DUST Mercenaries. Some have been rather disappointed that they cannot sell to DUST characters as of yet. As I personally have never done much of industry in EvE Online, I won’t speak at length about it. However, for industry and for the Economy to work, you need to have Scarcity. Scarcity is the golden rule in why and how economies work the way they do. Scarcity is why labor (which DUST Mercenaries are already primed to provide) and massive wars break out.

Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO
I really don’t envision DUST mercenaries producing anything myself. As I said earlier their chief commodity is labor. I could definitely see them being sent into hostile environments to retrieve materials (Lets have a volcano map with actual lava!) for industrialist or explorers, but at the end of the day they’re passing the raw materials along in exchange for sweet, sweet isk.

What we absolutely need is a marketplace for trade, and the ability for EVE to produce our weapons and sell them to us. Markets are dependent upon scarcity of resources. That’s the entire point of trade. I would definitely say we need to remove NPC weapons past militia and standard from the market. It’s kind of an interesting lore note that the weapons and vehicles we use are not in a hangar somewhere but DRMed blueprints that are rapidly produced on site. These BPCs, especially advanced, and prototype variants need to be researched and produced by capsuleers, and access to them has to not be universal (restricted by affiliation or location). The racial variants from the LP store are already a step in the right direction.

5. Console players are familiar with game modes whereas EVE simply provides the freedom to do a particular action, where do these two philosophies meet?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
I don’t believe that Game Modes are completely foreign to an EvE Player. They are just looked at in different ways. The greater scale of different types of roles one can play as an EvE player: combatant, pirate, industrialist, scammer are all a type of play style that appeal to some. In EvE PVP for instance, this is further delineated into small-gang PVP all the way to the Sovereignty Grinds that make the news every so often.

DUST’s game modes, however, are far more traditional: capture the proverbial flag, capture and defend, and deathmatch style. The biggest difference here, is the symmetrical warfare involved that make DUST far more polite than its big brother of EvE Online. In a major way, this is where the true difference lies. While this is admittedly theory-crafting, introducing more Asymmetric Warfare into DUST could be that meeting point.

The ability to surprise attack a district, the ability to bring more friends than the other guy, the ability to hop from map to map to map. Or, even, ransoming the clones generated on a district could marry what we have already with the future of the game.

6. What FW mechanics would you add so that the two games could better support each other?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
A better way to decide and dictate where in the war-zone you will be fighting. The current system of waiting for the battle-finder to decide the location, forcing you to scramble to tell your OB support, and then waiting for that OB support to jump as far as 10 jumps to get to your location, is poorly thought out. It adds unnecessary hurdles where there shouldn’t be while making it a hassle the whole way around. This is especially true when trying to sync two or more squads. Which brings me to my next point…

Team Deploy. One of the biggest things people enjoyed in PC was the ability to play solely with their corporation and alliance. This is a point that should be kept in mind. The ability to fight as a team builds camaraderie, instills trust, and gives everyone a taste of how to fight as a larger unit. It shouldn’t be surprising that people want to queue sync with their corporation and/or alliance mates.

The only reason that I can think of why this isn’t implemented, in at least Faction Warfare, is an alarming lack of foresight on CCP’s part.

7. Ship boarding will continue to be a holy grail of the interaction between the two games. Do you see any instances where it fits?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
Unfortunately, I do not. The main reason for this is just the way EvE Online works. Though I am not a programmer, how I reason this is impossible is because of server ticks and Time Dilation. As it stands, there’s a two to three second lag between EvE and DUST without Time Dilation. With Time Dilation, the desync between games becomes more than a little insurmountable.

As an alternative I propose that storming stations could be far more attainable with current technology on both sides. Station Storming could happen on its own, cause a station to go into reinforced mode — or be sabotaged in another way. Mercenaries could gain from being paid directly by the corporation who wishes them to do it. Corporations stand to gain by a lowered requirement of structure shooting.

Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO
Aside from the technical reasons Paradox already mentioned, I object to it because an EVE Pilot should only lose control of his ship to EVE events that he has some kind of tactical control over. Furthermore the mechanics of queuing two teams, deploying, and fighting only to have the battle prematurely end due to a titan bridging out/being Doomsdayed/Node Crashing seems like it would be frustrating.

8. How should CONCORD affect Dust mercenaries?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
This is a far more difficult situation and probably more pertinent to a possible PVE. CONCORD punishes those who do ‘bad’ things in high-security space. As we’re unable to do ‘bad’ things in DUST, Burn Jita for instance, it is hard to consider where CONCORD would have any hand in DUST at all. Further, strictly according to Lore, Mercenaries are approached directly by the Empires and are (at least in Faction Warfare) punished by those same Empires directly.

With EvE: Rubicon loosening the bonds of CONCORD to the Player Controlled Empires in any case, it is probably best to table that thought until later.

The one thing that I do think of are payments to CONCORD for holding Planetary Sovereignty. Though, this is a system I’m honestly dubious on.

9. When the War Barge is a pilotable ship in EVE or an AI mechanic with travel time, what new game mechanics open up?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
Further contracts, suicide ganking, and piracy all stand to see a boost in EvE Online. In DUST 514, the all important logistical metagame begins to take shape. With it, DUST 514 corporations are now forced to consider the best times and the amount of clones to take to battle. Good lines of Logistics are really the heart and soul, and the thankless job, of any and all wars in the New Eden Universe.

This important piece of the game would now find its way into DUST 514.

Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO
I spent a good chunk of my EVE career in MINILUV which is Goonfleet’s HighSec division. We were one of the few groups that was completely self funding because we made a habit of blowing up freighters near market systems and stealing their cargo. During wartime we were usually tasked with interdicting enemy logistics along the natural choke points that exist in New Eden’s trade networks.

Unless war barges have some pretty sharp teeth, or friends who know what they’re doing, I guarantee that they will be easy soft targets, and many battles will end before the boots even hit the ground. I definitely don’t recommend depending on autopilot to get you anywhere alive.

10. Talk to us about the corp & alliance tools that are necessary in Dust 514.

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
Alliance formation and management do not exist from the DUST 514 client, period. At the moment, it requires an EvE character to make, make the Executor Corp, set up the automated payments to CONCORD, and manage the corporations within that Alliance. These tools are absolutely and positively non-existent in the DUST 514 client or its associated website. This forces a reliance on EvE Online characters that, frankly, undermines its ability to stand on its own feet.

Corporation Management Tools are so anemic as to be non-existent. The roles system has been implemented poorly and we have identified a number of major security holes between DUST’s handling of these roles and the EvE Client. The most famous of these was Corporation Shares and using EvE characters to steal the Corporation from unsuspecting DUST CEOs who did not know that the EvE database automatically creates these shares. The inability for a DUST CEO to claim the shares of the Corporations they create, and therefore protect their assets, was inexcusable. CCP’s reaction to this major hole in corporation security, was likewise, inexcusable.

Further, with a lack of any ability for a DUST character to find and acquire CORP and Alliance APIs from the DUST website, means that DUST characters are managing corporations with both of their hands tied behind their back.

11. We think the player conflict that Bounties, Player Contracts and War Declarations fosters is a brand of player content. Is allowing players to create important?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
It is absolutely essential. Nothing in the New Eden Universe is handed to you on a silver-platter. While there are Missions and a form of PvE, this pales in comparison to the player-created content that EvE Online is famous for. Bounties, Player Contracts, and War Declarations are only the tip of this iceberg as player-created content goes above and beyond what you can do from within the game client. Without the tools available to create content in DUST 514 there is no player created narrative. Without this narrative, it is a sandbox without sand.

12. You’re in charge of designing the player market in Dust, what features are necessary?

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
A Corporation Armory where we can dump salvage we aren’t going to sell and can trickle down to our newbies. You will also need Buying and Selling Contracts, that allow players to sell their salvage to a specific group of people. The Secondary Player Market will need Buy and Sell Orders, which allow people to fill contracts for, say, 100 GEK-38 Assault Rifles for a specific price. Next, you will need direct player to player item trading for any amount of money that was agreed on by those parties.

Finally, you will need a market where the NPC seeded prices fluctuate depending on War Zone Dominance and other factors within and without battle. For instance, Drop Uplinks might be prohibitively expensive or non existent in systems held by Minmatar forces. In your local, the market might yield cheaper prices for your home-race’s goods while there might be a mark-up for NPC seeded goods from other races.

Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO
I’d just reiterate the points that I talked about with industry. Markets depend upon scarcity. NPC seeding especially universal availability is always bad. The opportunity to acquire one type of good must come at the expense of another. The methods you use to vary that avalibility be they sanctions on certain BPCs by the Empires, availability based on standings or LP, salvage, PVE rewards, or EVE production are all viable solutions. I particularly like EVE production, but I might have a profit incentive for that one.

13. Fix the NPE for us.

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
Start with a system of Academy Matches that gradually lets people out into the greater game. As it is now, you have one or two games and then you are let out, without warning largely, into the greater game population. I nickname this ‘The Wall’ and hitting this wall after thinking you are okay, has been a huge source of frustration for Newbies. Academy Tiers could be a good idea, something that gradually upgrades your Academy

The current Objective Based NPE is a good idea, but does not go far enough. It needs to go further in depth, either through videos or through railroading to show more of the game. This could be where PVE could shine. In the old EvE Online NPE, it began with a long story-line mission that showed the new character some of the basics of what to do, how to use the market, and some other salient points. Other Contracts with AI on the other side and specific instructive situations would be a good iteration.

Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO
We’re at a little bit of a disadvantage on this question because we generate our NPE in house. Basically we only recruit from an external community and our newbies are immediately handed a guide we update after every patch, given charts on how to allocate SP, handed some basic fittings for vehicles and suits, given ingame channels and an IRC to idle in and ask dumb questions, and told that if they play solo they are doing it wrong.

Obviously CCP can’t afford to be so heavy handed, and our approach only works because of our unique community. But there needs to be a much gentler transition before we let the ProtoStompers run all over them.

I would definitely support at the very least a video, and preferably a PVE match that puts you into squads and gives you squad based objectives to work towards. For example, requiring someone to hack a console that slowly opens a door while the rest of the team holds off waves of drones.

Finally, it needs to be made clear that corporations exist, vastly improve your in game experience, and “here’s a convenient place to peruse the recruitment ads”. I wouldn’t object to a graduation ceremony after the academy that plays a video and says “You’ve graduated/been kicked from the NPC corp, and are now a free agent. If you want to not die, you should probably find a player run corporation to fight for.”

Double finally, all of this needs to be optional because that would be annoying as shit to be railroaded through the second or third alt down the line.

Final Thoughts

Samahiel / Goonfeet – COO
Right now, as an Alliance and as a Corporation our aim is simple. We want the tools and the ability for DUST 514 to stand as a game unto itself, to see its community flourish, and to see those social mechanisms that are so important to a Massively Multiplayer Game come into being. We want to be able to create our own narrative. Only after that happens, can we begin to think about how DUST 514 will dovetail with EvE Online.

Paradox / Goonfeet – CEO
Postscript: From my point of view the most critical and immediate issue is one of communication. Improvements along the lines that we’re discussing take time, and must be handled carefully and incrementally. But, and this is a very important but, that time and that patience can only be expected of the playerbase if they’re informed of the direction in which things are heading, what the general shape of things to come are, and a timeline of when that can be expected. Uncertainty is incredibly psychologically stressful. In the face of it, people will almost always find a way to opt out of the situation. The best way to manage expectation is through constant and respectful dialogue.

As it stands now, the level of communication is not nearly enough. While writing these responses we’ve been on skype with former and current CSM and CPM members; we have forum threads with posts by former CCP devs; we have channels of intel guys, market guys, and industry guys who love to pour over every blue tag for the slightest hint that might give us an edge; and we still have only vague notions, intimations, and outright rumor to predict what is coming out at Fan Fest, much less a year or two down the line. This is not an environment that breeds confidence in investing either time, energy, or aurum in the future of this game. I can only imagine how much worse it must be for the small corp of mag veterans, the returning EVE bittervet, or the solo console player burned out on COD.

- Magww

As always, we’ll continue to attempt to help promote and publish ideas that help establish, enhance and grow the Dust 514 community as much as we can. Have any ideas that need sharing? Would you like to join our staff as a writer? Be sure to contact us at [email protected]

  • lololololo

    tldr: fuck DUST and the fagolas that like it

  • no more for you ccp

    Stations changing ownership by firing at them is pretty ridiculous…..

    So is player built indestructible stations….

    CCP – Now that we have nerfed nullsec into the ground year after year lets focus on connecting it to our shit tier fps that is somehow worse than BF4

  • Way Anyone

    Read as:
    “We’re going to put a ton of people together and mow down everyone. We’ll also be providing intro scams that are easy to run for noobies. Don’t get too caught up on game mechanics because we’re going to wreck them. I want to thank CCP for helping us shit up their products forever.”

  • Homophobic John

    Why waste the well written and structured articles you randomly get on DUST?

  • riverini

    in before “grrrr goons!”

    also: grrr! GEWNS!!!

    • Bring the Pain

      Remember that’s goonfeet not goonfleet… Typo or intentional?

  • Cloora

    If you think that requiring DUSTplayers to flip a station is a bad idea, then why not something simpler and not as required in EVE that still gives a significant enough advantage to use.

    If your contracted DUST forces win in the station, the winner gets to pick when the timer comes out. If the attacker loses, the station gains another 24 hours if the attacker wants.

    • GrouchyOldGamer

      How do I stop DUST players getting into my space? If I want to stop enemy ships coming in I cyno jam the system, camp the gate or have an advantage over weak black ops ships. DUST players magically appearing in a station is a level of bullshit not even CCP would reach for.

      • Cloora

        Blow up the war barge?

        • GrouchyOldGamer

          Would that war barge be piloted by a eve pilot or a ps3 pilot?

          • Cloora

            It is a ship, so a capsules.

          • SILENTSAM69

            Yeah, the idea is to have the War Barge be an EVE ship that you could attack. Setup gate camps and what not.

          • GrouchyOldGamer

            That’s taking shitty game design to a new level.

  • Oh no

    Keep Dust away from eve, ccp must act fast to safe eve not fucking it more

    • Hi

      Dust is part of EVE now. Deal with it.

      • Billbo

        How does it feel knowing that I can make 300mil/per hr while it would take you prolly 2 months of grinding to earn that wealth? Now tell me your game ain’t broken?

        • Cloora

          I make 600m ISK in EVE and trade it to rich DUST corps for 55m DUST ISK that last me a long time. Game ain’t broken son.

          • Flymolo

            I make billions of isk from doubling in jita.

        • SILENTSAM69

          Like you are not a rich EVE player…

  • fermaguel

    fact is, if neither game requires the other to function for ANY mechanic, then there may as well not be ANY interaction to begin with,a s any interaction would be inconsequential, letting mercs take stations would be wonderful, make it “not required” by having station-fights without mercs end with you leaving the station uncaptured, or destroy it entirely.

    as long as interaction is half-assed and they arent reliant on eachother’s existence, then interaction is meaningless outside of “oh, look, you can capture systems 2-3% faster in FW if the random matchmaking happens to throw the good players onto your team for FW”

    • Meaningful

      I disagree here.

      I think the balance to be struck is for the interaction between the games to be meaningful without being required. 2-3% boost in speed of capturing systems? That’s borderline in terms of being meaningful. The ability to put a station or POS into reinforced mode? That’s definitely meaningful.

      The balancing difficulty here is making sure that, whilst being meaningful, the interactions don’t leave either group feeling powerless in the interaction. The POS capture is a case in point – I think a lot of EVE players would be pretty pissed to find out that their POS was in reinforced mode and there was nothing they could do about it as they don’t play DUST.

      This is, of course, where it gets tricky. TiDi (and numerous other things) make direct interaction between the two games quite tricky. Tricky although probably not impossible. For example, and taking the POS thing a little further, there’s a hell of a lot less complaint to be had if mercs had to pitch a transport ship up to the POS and have it sat there for a certain amount of time before they could start the battle. That would give the POS owners a chance to prevent the attack. It would also invite interaction between the DUST players and other EVE players. I could see it working as follows:

      EVE Corp A decides that they want to destroy POS of Eve Corp D. They hire DUST mercs and guarantee to transport them to the POS. Eve Corp A then become responsible for getting the transport there in one piece. D get to shoot at A on the way in (and have a chance of the attack not taking place at all) but D get to avoid a protracted structure shoot if the mercs can take the POS down. And – all together you have 3 corps in the interaction.

      Sure there’s a lot of fun logistical problems for the devs to work out to make that sort of thing work but that’s what they’re paid for ;p

    • SILENTSAM69

      Technically wrong. You need EVE support to get orbital strikes in Fac War.

      I do agree there is not nearly enough interaction between the two though.

  • Methylated Spirit

    I’m developing a foot fetish after reading this.

    • AlloK

      mmmm goon feet

  • spacemonkey

    If I could jump from my space ship to a FPS combat game, without moving computers, without moving rooms, without changing controllers and without using a different monitor(tv), without stopping someone else from watching the tv, then DUST would be awesome.

    But it’s not.

    • Cloora

      Well, you could hook up your PS3 to your HDMI connector on your second monitor (you play EVE and we have an average of 3 monitors. I have 4) and play there. I run matches in DUST while I wait for fleets to ping on EVE.

      • Laptop Gamer

        The problem here are many:
        1. (and this is probably the biggest) I don’t own a PS3 and I’m not buying one.
        2. I don’t own (or need) a second monitor.
        3. I generally play eve on a laptop and can’t plug the PS3 into that monitor even if I chose to switch between eve and dust.

        Yeah – seamless switching as described by spacemonkey would have me playing dust probably.

        • Cloora

          I am sorry that you are a poor.

  • Shonion

    Tipical goon mentality.
    “What we have?
    – Numbers.
    – So let push the game towards a way, where nothing else matters just numbers.”

    So then i would be able to blow up the haulers whats bringing the dust merchs on the way too, Good game waiting the transport then die by a crow in the process, or something simular.

  • I swear I am not Luwc

    I dont agree with everything but there have been some pretty good points.

    At least it seems way smarter than what CCP has in mind.

  • Javan Trecht

    My favorite part is where they talk about all the reasons shipboarding
    isn’t feasible and lack of tactical control, and then go on about how
    Warbarges with mercs onboard are soft targets that can be ganked before
    boots even hit the ground.

    Inconsistent much? I hope we see some
    compromise so this gets added soon. This is the kind of interaction
    that makes the gaming media fall in love with Dust again.

  • SILENTSAM69

    Ship boarding would be quite easy to implement. Not sure why they do not see it. There is no need for perfect sync, and time dilation wouldn’t matter.

    Some mechanic would be required to somehow launch a CRU, or something at a ship. This would allow a match to start on that ship. While the battle is going on the pilot would be informed they are aggressed. They could either have AI drones or an open contract for the ship to be defended.

    While the pilot is aggressed any attempt to log out will just leave his ship floating in space. Maybe it could still do the warp off grid. Either way the ship would be there until the end of the battle. Once the battle is finished, if the attackers win, the pilot is ejected from his ship, or his clone killed. The ship would then be a target for theft by other EVE players.

    The only issues are if that ship gets destroyed before the battle is over, or the pilot setting a self destruct timer. A self destruct could cause an objective to become available for the attackers to destroy, or take over. Either way the ship being destroyed would end the battle. It could be seen as successful, or a failure depending if you wanted that ship or not. Either way this would be a more significant battle mode and would expect stuff like this.

    • hello

      if that becomes possible, i would just fly around looking for super caps to take.

  • lol

    CFC vs dust next

  • FUCK DUST

    Fuck DUST. What little integration there is already breaks FW.