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Currently in the on-going conflict in the Minmatar/Amarr Warzone a few parties in the Minmatar side are involved in a Civil War.

The initial reason for this war appears to be acts of aggression by WINMATAR against some allied Minmatar militia POSs and assets due to the apparent reason they weren’t using them properly. The first one which apparently was forcefully taken belonged to Defiant Legacy shown below. This then progressed onto some militia player owned custom offices here.

After these aggressive actions the likes of Iron Oxide. , Late Night Alliance , Angry Mustellid and other associated corp/alliances (apparently known as Losematar) requested the return of said assets from WINMATAR to resolve it peacefully before forceful action would have to be taken. As expected WINMATAR refused to give in and even stated that “You will lose more in this war then we will” so war declarations begun and WINMATAR members were removed from the combined TLF TS3 server ready for the battles to begin.

The first battle happened in the system of Gulmorogod with Losematar showing in the traditional “Hellcat” BS fleet facing WINMATAR in a similar setup of Armor BS with the addition of a Shadow Cartel BS/T3 fleet in support. Even with this support the side managed to lose the neutral thanatos fielded to provide them with additional rep support, costing the Losematar side in the same amount of isk in battleship losses made. With the overall battle report available here.

After this initial scrap with capital ship blood spilt the desire to explode yet more of the ships was high. The next fight came from days of planning in attacking the Titan POS in Bosboger, a Sansha Large Control Tower. With Losematar fielding a mixture of Shield T3/ferox or Armor BS depending on the intel at the time the force continued to poke the hornets nest with a talwar fleet, managing to kill more with their POS due to alpha than their fleet alone. Apparently a call was put out by them to get aid again from Shadow Cartel which was clearly denied, although some sign of batphone was initially called as the talwar fleet kept attempting to suicide themselves in an attempt to kill the cyno jammer in use by Losematar.

Whether it was intentional or not the timer for this POS as it comes out of reinforcement would not be favourable for the EU/US heavy Losematar as it would mean a late night for the US at 05:00 ET and an early “alarm clock” morning for EU.

On the morning/night of the battle it was uncertain to how many each side was likely to have show, WINMATAR expectantly managed to secure the support of some wormhole group in Scary Wormhole People along and Disavowed along with low-sec pirates Failed Diplomacy. For the Losematar side they sufficiently managed to gather a large BS contingent, boosted by the hastily agreed NAP with Death By Design and logistics assistance from Feign Disorder.
The stage was set and as the and allies reached their POS the Losematar shortly followed and battle commenced with Tidi reaching 40% in system with over 200 pilots in local.
WINMATAR again fielded a thanatos as well as a archon which exploded in quick succession, with one remaining carrier managing to return safely to the POS shields. A collection of BS and T3 hulls were also destroyed with the overall battle report shown here. Ultimately the day was won and the POS was destroyed by Losematar, allowing them to replace what was lost to their allies.

The full modified battle report can be found here.

Following this loss the Losematar have continued to push for the remaining assets still held by and have met little resistance with two small POSs subsequently having been lost.

The question now remains will they yield what is left in their control or continue to force the Losematar forces to grind through what is left in their position. One thing is certain, this shows that the apparently dormant Minmatar Militia can infact awaken yet when the time is required.

-Amymuffmuff

Note: I would like to thank S5Family and Asthariye of the Losematar side for information relating to the article. Although WINMATAR was contacted before publishing, no reply has yet been received and if one occurs an update to this piece will be made.

For more information regarding the continuation of this war please read a blog by Susan Black of Late Night Alliance found here.
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  • anon

    OH THE HUMANITY!

    It’s just like Detroit all over again…

    • Ciaphas Cyne

      show me on the bear where he fucked your girlfriend

      • lol

        You’re such a spastic fuck.

        • Ciaphas Cyne

          you lack imagination in regards to your insults.

  • BS

    LOlL the Winmatar as always beeing all talk. I remember when i was in FW, they were full of farmers and retards focused only on isk and doing only pvp in bloobs, with their selfcentered prick ceo Aslan or something like that. I see nothing changed since.

    • Anhenka

      Funny, cause the last time I was in it that the exact reputation of the Amarr, who wouldn’t leave station without 30 BS and 10 guards.

  • Eric loto

    So max, what’s your next move?

    • Bawk Bawkbagawk

      out of his mom’s house? one would hope.

  • Truth

    Wow this article is completely one sided. I’ll even it out for you, first of all the “losematar” are the farmers. Winmatar has done more for it’s warzone in the last year than literally all of the 14 who wardeced them combined. Secondly, Winmatar gets accused of being blobbers yet 14 people allied against them, many of whom are much larger then winmatar on their own. Lastly, in 2 years of FW LITERALLY the only other group besides winmatar to field a 30+ man gang, or to put BS’s on the field against the amarr was LNA.

    Touch a poss that is only used to fatten some directors pockets and they are able to field 200 battleships, yeah it’s pretty clear who is in faction warfare for isk and who is there to fight the amarr. Every one of the members of the losematar coalition knows they’ve never done any operation that anywhere near the scale of what they were told to bring to fight for glorious directors wallet.

    Oh, and let’s not forget how right as the largest battle of the war took place, winmatar’s TS got DDos’d. Literally outnumbered in membership by the people they are at war with by 10 to 1 in membership, and you have to resort to committing a felony in order to win a battle of space pixels. Cool beans

    • Shrugs

      Blobbers crying about getting blobbed is always amusing.
      Given the apparent scale of the opposition which piled into the wardecs, you might want to consider firing your diplo’s and other senior policy makers as they seem to not be not doing their jobs and drastically misread your environment.
      That aside, I agree that taking meta to the degree of a DDOS on a TS server sounds like a really weak tactic.

      • Truth

        Bio are definitely blobber, but the people pointing the fingers are also on the side that has 10 to 15 times the numbers as Bio. Even with that advantage, the war is nearly equal in isk, slightly favoring losematar.

        • Eric loto

          This isn’t your typical war. We are not here for gf, or fun, or any of that; this is revenge.

          Also, what stats are you seeing that puts losematar at a slight advantage? Does it include the three neutral carriers? Lol.

          • lol

            right…. cause nuet carriers don’t count on killboards. Also if you’re in it for revenge why do seem to keep batphoning ANYONE in lowsec you can find? When most people go looking for revenge they tend to want to be the guy getting revenge, not the guy in stands watching the guy you don’t like getting beat up by all the people you called to save you from the fight you picked.

    • Amymuffmuff

      Like I said if they actually respond then I will gladly include them in this piece but otherwise I can only go on what I know.

      I doubt anyone from the losematar side I know would resort to Ddos but who knows.

      On the note of them doing more for militia surely that’s down to the opinion of those involved as they may well have taken and pushed alot of systems but that’s ultimately giving the amarr more chance to claim it back.

      Plus you say that they suddenly do this and it’s cus of director wallets. But those primarily involved in this have nothing to do with those who owned the POSs, other than same militia.

      If you know someone who wants to submit a response feel free to send them my way!

    • Eric loto

      No one ddosd your ts bro lol.
      Max’s mom got a new CC so the sub didn’t get paid. It has been fixed.

      Also, idk if you knew this, but like, fw is fake… we don’t care about warzone control because it is perpetual.
      Max uses it as propaganda, perpetual war is propaganda 101; death to Eurasia and all that jazz.

      You are outnumbered 10 to 1 because your diplomats didn’t stand down.
      As fun as welping you guys is, none of us wants a war with a purple.

      Lol at the farmer bit, seriously?
      Use your eve names! We need to know who is quality recruitment material after max hits disband.

      • the stupid, it burns

        Outnumbered 10 to 1, still nearly equal in the isk war. If it is all fake why are you all so horny to turn against winmatar for shooting another minny pos, it’s all fake so why does that matter?

        A lot of people are in FW to kill amarr and take tiers which gets everyone money. Anyone who wants minmatar to start winning the warzone should be supporting Winmatar. The reason it’s 10 to 1 is not because of our diplo’s, it’s because you know you can’t even face us with four times our numbers. This war is far from over, and your members are going to get sick of losing ships to support someone else’s wallet, when most of them are here for the same reason Winmatar is.

        You are just here for yourselves and you’ve shown your true colors. We are enjoying this war, best content we’ve had since fweddit deployed.

        • keepthemcryin

          Warzone control is arguably fake. The bonds we have made in our time here are not. If max paid more attention to his neighbors than T level he would know this.

          No one wants to “face you”, they simply took back the poss you stole; the ball is now in your court. But by the sound of it, you guys want to keep it up.

          Most of the people against you are active PvPers, not farmers. Therefore loss is something extremely natural to them, not that they’re losing much.
          Additionally, how could Winmatar have isk concerns? FW LP is an isk faucet.

          3 carriers down in a weekend and you expect morale to be weakening? Activity is at an all time high, so is brotherly love. It has been a truly awesome experience seeing these guys come together for a common goal. I sincerely hope the momentum is sustained after this ugly mess is taken care of.

          Max has brought the militia together, only in a very different way than he had imagined 6 months ago.

    • micky nox

      I love that you actually using facts and not just throwing unfounded accusations. And that dramatic part about ddos is so cute ,-)

      • O.o

        This is why it is a bad idea to drop out of school.

    • History Lesson

      You also werent around when the station lock out change came about and LNA and minny forces captured almost the entire war zone. Learn your history, and realize the vets here dont care about capturing the war zone anymore.

      • Atlas84

        If they dont care anymore, they should GTFO.

      • Truth

        How do you known when I was around? I gave credit to LNA, but they were much more active a year and a half ago. They still do stuff, but Winmatar is doing more work then the rest of the milita combined, with regards to fighting amarr and taking systems. This is true for at least the last 6 months. All the people who jumped on the bandwagon to fight them are either jealous of how much they’ve accomplished in such a short time, or blindly fighting to make their directors even more rich. The isk from those pos’s is going into their pockets, it is not in anyway helping the warzone. Better off in Winmatar hands, they put everything they have into the warzone.

        • Hian

          MM here he goes again with those delicious Tears. Keep em coming!

          • bro

            Tears? Stating the facts and your side of something is not tears. I guess it is easier to marginalize some they actually argue its merit. I hear fox news is hiring.

        • Shadoo`s Eyebrow`s

          u mean winmatar flipped ihubs that russian farmer alts sent vuln?

    • http://battorem.blogspot.com/ BattoRem

      I have been in FW for a while and yeah Winmatar has done a whole lot for minmatar. I was not apart of the civil war so I have nothing to say about it.

    • Hian

      Ohh my, Be Careful there bro. This amount of tears might even attract some null sharks. Where you Literally crying when you wrote this?

  • its all good

    Failed Diplomacy = low sec pirates? 0.o great intel bro

  • Prince of Khanid

    Amarr Victor!

  • Bawk Bawkbagawk

    does this mean Test will be moving to high sec now?

  • Lol

    WINMATAR the carebears and bloobers of FW…

  • http://battorem.blogspot.com/ BattoRem

    it always make me laugh when FW has a civil war.

  • lol

    so TL : DR Winmatar pulled a dick move for “reasons” then talked smack about hurting people if they are dec’d, they then get dec’d and proceed to batphone anyone they can convince to answer, and then proceeded to lose 3 carriers and the tower they took.

    • who

      losematar ping everyone anyway. Snuff for example have always formed on the timers for them.

      • Everyone?

        Lol, everyone just hates Max and will travel great distances to watch him burn.

        Everyone just hates Max so when he pings; people join the other side, lolol

  • RAdanneskjold

    Also, Bosboger is now under attack from the Amarr FW Corp, Amarrian Vengeance : https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98141422/.

    2 WINMATAR allied Archons were lost in a valiant but failed attempt to push back the Amarr offensive plexing.

    https://zkillboard.com/detail/36674900/
    https://zkillboard.com/detail/36674895/

    With a Minmatar civil war and Amarr attacking their home system not sure how long WINMATAR will hold out.

  • Stalking Mantis

    As of the time of this Post: Winmatar is evacuating their home system. Amarrian Vengeance was the final nail in their coffin.

  • Yeraller

    Bosboger was destroyed yesterday. Amarr Victor.