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With the announcement of The CFC finally going into full deployment mode in their latest GSF CEO update, the stage was set for a fight between N3 and CFC/Stainwagon forces. DY-P7Q tonight lit up as numbers in local climbed up to nearly 1700+ with carriers, dreadnoughts, and titans alike bridging into the system. In all nearly 2700 players took part in the havoc (battle report) that was wrecked not only on each other, but the node itself causing it to crash. As you’d expect after a node crashing, capitals stayed logged out except for a small fleet of dreads which tried to kill a titan and failing.

Titans being dropped

The premiere of The CFC’s “Omegafleet” tonight while at first seemed effective started to slow down as the fight continued. 300 CFC/Stainwagon dreads were on grid in a great show of force, but when it became clear that it wasn’t going to be enough the tactics changed.

I personally had a few streams up and heard CFC members shifting their focus onto crashing the node so they could safely extract themselves from the field later. A smart move in order to save a fleet, but it’s a strategy that will only last for so long. In the end The CFC and Stainwagon left the field leaving N3 and PL to loot the spoils of bloc warfare.

With more CFC forces heading down south to help assist in this war it’s a safe bet that there will be more fights just like this one. Will N3 and PL be able to stand up to the challenge before the CFC ramps up their war machine to full strength and beat them back, or will they buckle and give up in the face complete annihilation?

We shall all see soon enough!

1,352 Comments

  1. foxnews24

    pretty sure you’re gonna post recordings of the dudes telling everyone to crash the node right? i know this is EN24, but you could at least back the claim up.

    December 16, 2013 at 11:41 Reply
    1. Aduxbury

      Its on boats stream archive, i know it doesnt make it any better for not citing your sources but at least this time it is actually legitimate.

      December 16, 2013 at 12:00 Reply
      1. James Taylor

        Noob question – if it is there, and that is what happened, does it make all losses up for reimbursement?

        December 16, 2013 at 12:25 Reply
        1. E24

          Umm what? CFC saved most of their dreads thanks to node crashing. Theres nothing to reimbursue as nothing died.

          Not gona argue whose fault the node crash was. It was working sub-optimal at best long before it died.

          PL/N3 was actually trying to keep node alive jumping only few titans at time and ordering moms to NOT jump at all. If they jumped everything the node would probably crashed before any dreds were doomsdayed.

          December 16, 2013 at 13:03 Reply
          1. CantHaveNiceThings

            So the 200+ sentry carriers (plus the extras that were jumped in) with all those drones magically kept the node healthy? Must be a new way of breathing life into a node. Cause we all know dreads, with all their drone capacity ($5 someones gonna miss this sarcasm) murders nodes in their sleep.

            It was a combination of both sides spamming local, the sub caps, the carrier blob’s drones, the sudden firing from 220 dreads, not 300, at the same time, plus the additional stress of the 25 titians that squeezed their way into the node that crashed it.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:17
          2. Goon noob

            Dreads can carry drones now? Found my new ratting ship!

            December 16, 2013 at 14:35
          3. Space Dude

            One of them used to.

            December 17, 2013 at 02:49
          4. JD Martin

            There were a boatload of dreads chilling in POSs waiting to come in too. They sat there for 7 hours and didn’t come in because the node was too loaded down. Many of them were quite pissed.

            December 16, 2013 at 17:20
          5. James Taylor

            Well, that’s kind of why I prefaced it with the statement ‘noob question’. I think my point is that there were losses – not just dreads, but other ships on both sides (and yeah sure, they probably have in-alliance reimburse but…), some of those losses occurred before the crash and were hopefully going to be offset by a massive dread slaughter later.

            When the node came back, there were still some losses, again, arguably losses that wouldn’t have occurred if the node hadn’t crashed: I realise that the meta-game comes into play with players being ‘ordered not to log back in’, might have avoided or reduced losses, but one side crashing the node should surely cause a blanket reset for the entire engagement, including losses leading up-to the engagement?
            Basically, is ‘node crashing’ a legal game mechanic?

            December 17, 2013 at 09:31
      2. Homophobic John

        I mean.. You know he said it jokingly. Although I assume you werent watching the stream, or werent in comms with him, or werent even in system. So good job on being that guy who gets worked up over things you hear and do not know, just like everybody else on here and on the forums.

        December 16, 2013 at 15:09 Reply
    2. the one

      dbrb was screaming it on his live feed half ov eve heard it

      December 16, 2013 at 13:15 Reply
  2. Homophobic John

    That wasnt the omegafleet you scrub reporter, it was just a long range dread fleet. Omegafleet uses solely Naglfars

    December 16, 2013 at 12:03 Reply
    1. Simon pieman

      Well good luck building enough nags to keep the CFC in ships, its not like keeping in stroms, it takes a little more time to build a dread, just out of interest how many did they lose yesterday? i see 26 dreads on evekill, so that in its own right is close to 90 billion isk.

      Even the CFC cant keep this shit up, BL and the other little groups will have no chance.

      December 16, 2013 at 12:28 Reply
      1. Homophobic John

        Not all of those were CFC dreads, From my memory we only lost ~7, which is the equivalent of a fart in the wind. And while the CFC proper doesnt *need* to provide SRP for dreads, they do. If it was a money issue it wouldnt be done.
        Ill actually take a moment and teach you something. The CFC doesnt reimburse caps with ISK, they reimburse the hull. The hull gets built up in Dek/wherever it happens to have the BPO, and is made from mineral taxes and maybe a little spare change if needed. Trust me when I say theres fuckloads of mineral taxes and spare change. Moon goo isnt the only alliance income. Especially with GSF, the alliance ratting tax is a whole new level of making ISK for SRP if needed.

        December 16, 2013 at 13:53 Reply
        1. Simon pieman

          lol i understand that, but still keeping CFC in nags will be a very tough task, if you can’t see that then you are being very short sighted, we can all assume they haven’t been stockpiling nags for months to keep up with demand.

          How long does it take to build a nag from scratch with perfect skills just out of interest?

          December 16, 2013 at 14:25 Reply
          1. Homophobic John

            Roughly 6-7 days on average to build a dread/carrier. So give it a week for the first round of 50 or so to get churned out. Then give it a another week for scrubs to get dread 1 trained up and cap gun 1 and siege 1 trained and we’ll see where its at.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:31
          2. Simon pieman

            So a week for 50 (a very generous number I’m sure) yet 26 dreads were killed last night alone, the dread bomb is certainly the only counter i can see to the pantheon archon setup that is used but i think all bets on nags will stretch peoples ability to keep up with the pace.

            This is just the building of the dreads without going into the monetary side of it all, how are the likes of BL gonna keep up with the pace of losses? they will be back in talos ganking lone carriers in lowsec within a few days at this rate.

            Edit: only option without going balls deep and using this mysterious super fleet of cfc’s we keep hearing about.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:38
          3. Homophobic John

            BL? You mean those dudes we pay not to invade us? BL’s pilots buy their own ships from what my friend in there tells me. Which, yea thats cool and all but I can see why the market has been drying up.
            Edit: CFC super fleet doesnt leave Dek. You should know this by now.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:45
          4. Muul Udonii

            Buy, build, stockpile… no shortage of nags in our corp hanger.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:57
          5. Simon pieman

            On day two of the coalition streamlining of dreads, what about day 30 when 200 have been lost? what about day 60 when 500? All i’m saying is that i can’t see it being sustainable.

            December 16, 2013 at 15:03
          6. Muul Udonii

            You can make the same argument for any ship type. You expect to lose some in any fleet fight.

            And we’ve been dropping dreads since day 1 of this war, losses must be up to 200 by now, all told.

            December 16, 2013 at 15:06
          7. Dumbledore

            No, you can’t make the same argument for any ship type. First, anyone can buy a BS bpo and start making money out of it, but to build dreads you’ll need to buy roughly 40 billion worth of capital ship blueprints. Much more if you want to build them in serious numbers. (That’s not a lot of money but it still limits the number of people doing it, because if you’ve got trillions of money, there are better things to do than to build dreads.) Second, researching those capital prints takes plenty of time so you can’t just hop on the dread bus. Third, it takes 4 hours to build a BS but it takes 2 weeks to build one dread. If your alliance has 16 nag prints, you can make 8 of them per week. If your coalition has 50 prints, you can make 25 per week. See, losing dreads doesn’t work the same way as losing battleships.

            December 17, 2013 at 07:34
          8. JIeoH Mocc

            When do you think we will run out of dreads?

            December 16, 2013 at 14:54
          9. Simon pieman

            I haven’t a clue, i hope never but it can only be a matter of time, BL buy their own dreads (as was told below) how much welping can one guy keep up? what is it, pvp till your dread dies then afk ratting for a week to replace? I’m pretty sure all of BL aren’t jobless bums, some simply cant rat for 6 hours a day.

            Although i hope this goes on forever i just can’t see CFC or even the smaller little pets being able to keep up with the losses (even the dread losses without streamlining into all nags), especially when fighting against PL and friends who have built quite the reputation on killing caps.

            December 16, 2013 at 15:08
          10. JIeoH Mocc

            Well you said in a few days earlier, i was hoping to catch you on your word, alas…
            You have some funny takes on how to make ISK in EvE, have to say that.

            December 16, 2013 at 15:12
          11. Simon pieman

            I generalize a bit sure, but the average F1er isn’t a market mogul, isn’t rolling in isk and does have to work towards their isk making.

            And BL are having to replace their own ships, last time they lost a dread fleet i think they were killing caps in talos a few days later, or that might of been after the supers got lost i’m unsure.

            December 16, 2013 at 15:18
          12. Dumbledore

            A dread takes a little bit less than 2 weeks to build, depending on the blueprint PE. And now you have 50 bpos, instead of those 16 that Mittani wrote about?

            http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=19723

            December 17, 2013 at 07:22
          13. Homophobic John

            Once again, the 26 (wasnt 16) already researched BPOs, belong to only one corp. We have well over that many within the alliance and plenty more within the coalition.

            December 17, 2013 at 07:41
    2. the one

      soooooooooooooo there wasnt a large portion of nags there at range just as mittenz said…………. koolaid neone??

      December 16, 2013 at 13:14 Reply
      1. Homophobic John

        ok so literally the CEO update went up yesterday. Do you really expect everybody to have the entire ship doctrine in 4 hours? Or even to have read the post? You cant build a cap in 4 hours, or 4 days.
        Just so I dont have to reply to simon below me, we have enough BPOs to churn out the dreads, its just a matter of waiting until theyre built.

        December 16, 2013 at 13:48 Reply
    3. Michael

      how does mittens cock taste?

      December 16, 2013 at 13:29 Reply
      1. xxxxx

        Why ask us? You would know.

        December 17, 2013 at 19:54 Reply
  3. Muul Udonii

    TMC review much better than this one.

    December 16, 2013 at 12:05 Reply
    1. Simon pieman

      Aye it makes me laugh the two sites are so completely different with their views clearly slanted in different directions, i would always advise to read both and settle on them both talking shite 🙂

      December 16, 2013 at 12:30 Reply
      1. Muul Udonii

        I actually like that each side has their own website in this war. I guess at least EN24 doesn’t try to pretend it’s impartial; but TMC does tend to beak all stories and EN24 has to basically copy paste.

        December 16, 2013 at 12:49 Reply
        1. the one

          the reason the go first is so goon writers can put honey on it for the little bees to swallow

          December 16, 2013 at 13:13 Reply
    2. the one

      tmc feeds u goons the koolaid

      December 16, 2013 at 13:12 Reply
  4. mercfromabove

    one day CCP will catch up with n3 and make the nodes awesome :3

    December 16, 2013 at 12:12 Reply
  5. Dennis the Dreamer

    N3 was like Obama selfie. me me meh.

    December 16, 2013 at 12:14 Reply
    1. the one

      so boat screaming on his stream for server crash was a lie then?

      December 16, 2013 at 13:11 Reply
      1. Michael

        please tell me someone recorded his stream and sent it to ccp. fuck goons

        December 16, 2013 at 13:27 Reply
        1. the one

          its in his stream archive

          December 16, 2013 at 13:33 Reply
        2. Random CFC Grunt

          You’re awfully bitter, did a goon touch you in a bad way?

          December 16, 2013 at 15:00 Reply
          1. Space Dude

            You know, I have never heard anyone say that before.

            December 17, 2013 at 02:46
          2. Random CFC Grunt

            There’s a first time for everything my friend.

            December 17, 2013 at 14:41
      2. Muul Udonii

        Who really cares?

        December 16, 2013 at 13:29 Reply
        1. the one

          when crashing nodes is against the eula then everyone

          December 16, 2013 at 13:32 Reply
          1. Muul Udonii

            It isn’t. Playing the game is never against the EULA, no matter how much you hate the outcome.

            And good luck trying to prove that there was an effort to crash it beyond a troll of CCP. You can’t even prove who issued the orders to crash it.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:00
      3. Random CFC Grunt

        1. It was boat.
        2. He was leading bombers AFAIK…

        December 16, 2013 at 14:06 Reply
  6. I just do not know

    Will we at last see a really epic war, or not, or will we see a couple of massive fleet fights with caps, supers and titans getting blown to bits. Its possible that the CFC can deploy two whole fleets of dreads, and supers and titans to match the numbers of those ships that N3/PL can deploy, the question is will they do it?

    December 16, 2013 at 12:22 Reply
    1. CCP Soundwave

      no…….they are too scary in losing them all!
      maximum 1 full dread fleet are they going to welp……otherwise they will redeploy for carebaering instead of holding poor russian faggots hands

      December 16, 2013 at 12:39 Reply
      1. I just do not know

        You have to risk much in war to actually win, to win requires smashing the others sides cap fleet, that is the end game for the Goons, I don’t think they are scared to do it, I think they are appearing as being too scared to do it and downplaying their numbers and ability. Anyway we shall see, I could be wrong, but it looks like a very elaborate plan is developing in front of us.

        December 16, 2013 at 13:37 Reply
        1. the one

          when in goons history have they used super/titans to smash someone i mean yer they have dreads and carriers but supers that are battle nt rat fit??? i dont think so

          December 16, 2013 at 13:39 Reply
    2. the one

      cfc cant match supers and titans lol

      December 16, 2013 at 13:10 Reply
      1. I just do not know

        Are you 100% certain of that? I wouldn’t be, I am going to enjoy doing a I told you so.

        December 16, 2013 at 13:26 Reply
        1. the one

          read the tmc article and about halfway down the comments were mittenz even says that n3pl are supercap superior…… also if they have said supers why they never use them……?

          December 16, 2013 at 13:37 Reply
          1. I just do not know

            I have, do you believe what he says? And in regards to their use, think about it…

            December 16, 2013 at 13:46
          2. Random CFC Grunt

            I have no doubts that Mittens would relay the accurate situation of the CFC’s supercap power in the TMC comments section.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:14
    3. Northern vet

      Lol fucking hell some of these people believe anything the Goons will tell them

      December 16, 2013 at 13:35 Reply
  7. whitedevil

    watching CFC and their pets beeing unable to hold a field against a coalition half their numbers is the a beatifull sight.

    the downside of having a such a big coalition it actually breaks the node when you wanna try to use the blob against a much more elite but smaller force in a single system and hence one can see the problem with nullsec if different/ smaller factions across nullsec would be mashing it out all accross eve this wouldnt happen so i lay the blaim not only with the cfc side but also ccp for letting it come to this…

    December 16, 2013 at 12:48 Reply
    1. the one

      i love watching cfc get there shit shoved in but how can ccp stop coalitions they cant make people who choose to work together shoot each other

      December 16, 2013 at 13:24 Reply
    2. I Also Numbers

      > Half their numbers

      lol

      December 16, 2013 at 15:09 Reply
      1. youre a fucktard

        Hey faggot, let me educate you

        http://raynor.cl/coalition.php

        December 16, 2013 at 22:38 Reply
        1. I Also Numbers

          You sound mad.

          December 16, 2013 at 23:48 Reply
          1. Justin May

            He is mad

            December 17, 2013 at 02:31
          2. guys too dumb

            youre a dumb faggot alright. do the math, or is that too hard for you mittani boy?

            December 17, 2013 at 03:20
  8. oh dear

    WOW
    for the first time in a long time, goons publicly arguing with each other and rallying against their leadership – ALL IN PUBLIC on the crappy tm.c site.
    This would never have happened in the days of Molle / BOB. All I see is goon tears, dissent and backstabbing. I really think N3 and co have got under the goon skin. ~soon~ maybe they will forget all about where Molle touched them – it seems to be the only victory they are able to claim, but its a very long time ago……seems to me mittens has lost any respect or control that was remaining.
    go to it guys, shove his vertical omega fleet up his uptight back passage.

    December 16, 2013 at 13:03 Reply
    1. the one

      mittenz still wakes up in a pool of sweat every night screaming no molle no stop touching me

      December 16, 2013 at 13:18 Reply
      1. Dudumarus

        comment of the month +1000000

        December 16, 2013 at 13:26 Reply
    2. lol

      Nobody can ever remember Goons ever won a fleet fight, this is the member base they have. People willing to constantly lose, sit in fleet for 8 hours and blueball, and structure grind for hundreds of hours each month.

      They don’t give a fuck about fun, being good at things, or not being retarded.

      December 17, 2013 at 05:29 Reply
  9. asd

    Intentionally crashing the servers is a very serious violation of the EULA. Players have lost assets due to the crash even though they weren’t even involved in the fight/conflict. Hopefully CCP will take actions against these persons. The whole “no fun allowed” approach is going too far now.
    Any future CSM candidate willing to escalate this drama and force an investigation will have my vote for sure.

    December 16, 2013 at 13:07 Reply
    1. Allied Mastercomputer

      No one cares.

      December 16, 2013 at 17:11 Reply
      1. Kirk Otsito

        Seems 27 ppl care dipshit

        December 16, 2013 at 18:31 Reply
    2. Simon pieman

      That’s a little petty tbh

      December 16, 2013 at 19:27 Reply
    3. gained they would have to prove that someone on purpose crashed the node. Goons say a lot of things so you can’t really take their words.

      December 16, 2013 at 22:10 Reply
    4. Homophobic John

      Lol… grr goon post.

      And Im no expert. But Im fairly sure the 900 people in local all crashed the node? Why not go whine back in highsec little pubbie?

      December 17, 2013 at 02:42 Reply
  10. GrouchyOldGamer

    Holy shit, are you guys really going with the ‘CFC crashed the node’ line? Based on a junior FC saying it a stream?

    Node crashing is bullshit and 99% of players agree. It also looks like either N3 ninja’d the system back (if they did good job!) or the node crash rolled it back. So either way the node taking a shit fucked up a fight that took half a day to fight.

    BTW that wasn’t omegafleet deployed, you only have to read the CFC CEO update to understand why not. It did take them ages to actually work out how to volly (sic) but once they did that they started to take out the odd carrier in a two cycles.

    I like coming on this site and teasing people, it’s generally good fun – but this just made be face-palm.

    December 16, 2013 at 13:38 Reply
    1. the one

      koolaid much?

      December 16, 2013 at 13:39 Reply
    2. the one

      work out how to volley?……………. er target this guy >fire in 3 2 1 ……. i can see how thats hard for ur common goon

      December 16, 2013 at 13:41 Reply
      1. Guest

        ^ doesn’t fly dreads.

        December 16, 2013 at 13:44 Reply
        1. Random CFC Grunt

          Most of the CFC dreads were docked at that moment…

          December 16, 2013 at 13:59 Reply
          1. Gorakhal

            excuses

            December 16, 2013 at 14:10
        2. the one

          humm volleying is the same in dreads as any other ship everyone targets and a fire is counted in so the volleys are correct

          December 16, 2013 at 14:00 Reply
    3. Michael

      all i’m hearing when i read this is “stop touching us there N3/PL, you guys are supposed to be losing we have more numbers” And yes I believe that CFC was praying for a node crash because other wise they would have lost ALL the dreads. Just ask BL how we touched their super fleet and their dread fleet, etc etc etc etc etc. You guys are just bad pilots and the only thing you ever had going for you is hitler running GSF and 5x the numbers of anyone that got in your way. Pretty easy to win a blob fight until the other side figures out how to counter it.

      December 16, 2013 at 13:48 Reply
      1. anom

        I am sure the comms of both sides will be leaked, and then we will hear who was whining. I don’t know for CFC, AAA or N3… But on BL side there were no tears or wishes for a node crash.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:01 Reply
        1. Michael

          Yeah BL just wishes they had some isk to buy real ships again so they can stop flying vagina fleet. Oh and some good leadership, and some supers, and some dreads, and some good FC’s other than Elo.

          December 16, 2013 at 14:38 Reply
      2. Random CFC Grunt

        The numbers I saw on BRDOC were about CFC+RusRus – 1,5 : 1 – N3+PL. Even PL themselves blob more than that with their brave-ishtar fleets in G-0. And – yes – N3 have found a legitimate counter to the CFC fleet – drop supers+titans+fighter bombers+sentries – crashing the fucking node. You can deny it all you want but it’s surprising that crashes only happen when N3 caps/supers are in trouble…

        December 16, 2013 at 14:04 Reply
        1. Michael

          Wow you are as stupid as they get. You ACTUALLY believe Hitler’s I mean MIttens bullshit. Maybe you should read some dev blogs on node mechanics. The skills in your toons head are more of a drain on the node than fighters and drones, e.g. the more “toons” you put into a system the more the node gets stressed. So until you idiots get a tactic other than “blob the shit out of them” nodes will continue to crash.

          December 16, 2013 at 14:30 Reply
          1. Random CFC Grunt

            It’s good that at least you’re smart…

            December 16, 2013 at 14:34
          2. Hian

            Aww, That was nice of you too say! I bet you made his day by that comment! Good on you! 🙂

            December 16, 2013 at 14:37
          3. GrouchyOldGamer

            Are you really using the Hitler thing?

            December 16, 2013 at 14:36
          4. Wows!

            Plus one, you are on a roll third Hitler = CFC post in one article!! dude go for it break the record!!!!

            December 16, 2013 at 15:16
          5. Space Dude

            CFC = Hitler.

            There. Happy?

            December 17, 2013 at 02:38
      3. GrouchyOldGamer

        Here’ s a little prediction for you. As long as the Russians don’t get bored they’ll take space.

        At some point EMP, NC.and PL will get bored sitting in 11 hour archon fleets. Nulli and assorted chums will then get screwed.

        Bookmark this comment, I’ll be referring to it later.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:08 Reply
        1. Simon pieman

          Who will get bored first though CFC welping archons or PL/N3 sitting pretty while killing double the isk in dreads? i would assume there are more archons around for sale then dreads.

          December 16, 2013 at 14:31 Reply
          1. GrouchyOldGamer

            That pretty much sums up the situation. The theory is that the dreads will be able to almost alpha them off the field, so the fewer slowcats there are the easier it becomes. Up to this point it’s all spreadsheet pvp. Last night only proved once you have people volleying properly it works to some extent, the support fleets worked well but many of the new dreads weren’t the new doctrine.

            Time will tell, once those fights get of the spreadsheets.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:42
          2. Cloora

            The only Archons that were volleyed were not receiving bonuses or they crashed or smth. Other then that you guys purged N3’s baddies in Thannys. I think you guys did volley off one or two archons that were in fleet but didn’t overheat their hardeners. All the rest were tanking just fine. In fact we were told we should bling our slowcats out with some higher meta hardeners and some LG slaves too to really piss you guys off.

            December 16, 2013 at 17:52
        2. Kamar Raimo

          You seem to forget that EMP/NC and PL have a renter empire at stake which will fall like a house of cards if they withdraw from that war.

          For what it’s worth, I think you have them with their backs against the wall.

          December 16, 2013 at 18:22 Reply
          1. GrouchyOldGamer

            Maybe; but PL has a NIP with CFC, so does XIX and I’d imagine EMP could get one if they wanted it – not sure about NC.

            But, it’s a proper war with actual fights and both sides willing to grind it out – so however it end it’ll be good fun(ish)

            December 16, 2013 at 20:34
          2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            Mittens has his share of broken treaties too. The only difference is the violated parties are not around anymore to bitch about it.

            December 16, 2013 at 21:17
          3. GrouchyOldGamer

            Certainly nothing stands still, so I may be proved wrong, it just looks to me that you have two blocks forming; PL/NC/EMP and N3. I’m happy to admit that I don’t know the inner workings over there. Guess we’ll see.

            December 16, 2013 at 21:40
          4. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            I am sick of saying it. Get it through you cast iron skull please?

            NC. IS ONE OF THE N’s IN N3! They are in N3 not a separate entity.
            So to be correct it would be: PL/N3/EMP

            December 16, 2013 at 22:10
          5. GrouchyOldGamer

            Do you have a N2 logo on standby?

            December 16, 2013 at 22:23
          6. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            NC. isn’t about to leave N3. They enjoy the elite status of their position within the coalition.

            December 16, 2013 at 22:28
      4. Got it

        Another plus one for a Hitler = Goons post, luv the way you kinda just snuck that one in!

        December 16, 2013 at 15:15 Reply
      5. Kamar Raimo

        Ah, so THAT’s what hitler(sic) is doing these days. My bad, I thought the leader of the CFC was a guy called Alexander Gianturco who goes by the in-game moniker of The Mittani. I guess he’s just a sock pupped for good old Adolf 😀

        December 16, 2013 at 18:20 Reply
      6. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        Actually, Mittens is a wannabe Stalin. Remember the mantra about “Space Communism works”?

        December 16, 2013 at 21:12 Reply
    4. Muul Udonii

      Goons asked for the node to crash, PL/N3 crashed it.

      Now who is a goon pet?

      December 16, 2013 at 14:03 Reply
      1. Michael

        Maybe you should read some dev blogs on node mechanics. The skills in your toons head are more of a drain on the node than fighters and drones, e.g. the more “toons” you put into a system the more the node gets stressed. So until you idiots get a tactic other than “blob the shit out of them” nodes will continue to
        crash.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:31 Reply
        1. Booyeah

          When the side with supercap superiority changes their tactics from “Superblob the shit out of them”, then the side with subcap superiority will change their tactic from “subcap blob the shit out of them”.

          December 16, 2013 at 14:51 Reply
          1. Kamar Raimo

            I call bullshit on that. It has always been the method of Goons to demoralize their enemy by swarming them with underpowered ships. They are not called GoonSWARM for nothing.

            December 16, 2013 at 18:17
          2. Booyeah

            Call bullshit on yourself. ‘Always underpowered ships’ hasn’t been true for years now. Unless you want to call AlphaFleet, BaltecFleet, ThunderCats, and TechFleet ‘underpowered’. Your assertion is meaningless without comparison to what they’re always faced with.

            December 16, 2013 at 20:47
        2. Muul Udonii

          If you know how to kill 200 slowcats without blobbing them, we’d all love to hear about it.

          December 16, 2013 at 14:51 Reply
          1. richard thomson

            If you know how to defend a system from 1k+ cfc drones and their pets with out going to slowcat please say

            December 16, 2013 at 20:35
    5. Deltaguy

      dbrb is a junior fc?

      December 16, 2013 at 14:42 Reply
      1. GrouchyOldGamer

        He was FC of a bomber fleet.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:42 Reply
    6. Lawful-Insanity

      Lol. No dbrb is a jr fc? Jr fcs fly titans? Hmm good to know. You sir need help. If cfc wasnt trying to crash said node, then why the millions of singke letters tuped into local by [ not wanting the node to crash cfc]?
      And say what you want but im on over 60 km just in that fight. So bring on the dreads little bee’s.

      December 16, 2013 at 14:59 Reply
      1. GrouchyOldGamer

        You know you don’t need to be an FC to fly a Titan; right? But, please so tell me more about the CFC FC team…. I’m all ears.

        December 16, 2013 at 15:13 Reply
        1. anonymous

          Last I checked Boat was one of your top FC’s behind Vee up until he welped a few supercarriers and battleship fleets in Fountain.

          December 16, 2013 at 15:27 Reply
          1. GrouchyOldGamer

            Boat is an FC and a bloody fun one at that, people seem to think he has super node crashing powers – when in fact it’s merely a mildly amusing hat.

            Apparently N3 have raised petitions ….. so let’s see what happens. I really hope they have raised some because that’s hilarious.

            December 16, 2013 at 15:32
          2. anonymous

            I do not know all the facts since I was not listening to the stream nor was I on any of your coms but I did find it odd that your side started spamming local chat after someone said that Boat was calling for people to make the node crash. Not that it matters (I think) since local chat is not controlled by the same server.

            December 16, 2013 at 15:50
          3. GrouchyOldGamer

            Seriously the node crash happened after titans jumped in, unless someone really thinks boat’s power extends to being able to convincing enemy titan pilots to do stuff it’s a pretty incredible idea. He’s an awesome dude, not sure he’s that awesome.

            Moreover the number of spies on both sides comms how likely is it that there is zero recording of said plot?

            The node crashed because we were playing Eve and the server could handle it, not because the CFC had some secret plan to break it in case something happened. It was pretty much stalemate at that point and we’d taken the system.

            If anything the node crash allowed N3 to take it back quickly.

            I like spin and bullshit as much as the next Eve player but honestly if anyone has really petitioned that CFC players gamed the system to crash a node I’ve got a bridge for sale.

            December 16, 2013 at 16:10
          4. anonymous

            It was only 40 titans and it was working fine even after they started doomsdaying dreads off the field. It was only shortly after that where the server took a serious turn for the worse. The system never was truly under your control since we had sbu’s onlining and DD was unable to get the ihub sorted out before they onlined leaving the tcu’s vulnerable.

            December 16, 2013 at 16:16
          5. GrouchyOldGamer

            You don’t really believe that Boat was co-coordinating a secret plan to crash a node over twitch do you? A plan so secret it was done over twitch and there are zero supporting logs?

            December 16, 2013 at 16:23
          6. anonymous

            Did I ever say I did? I believe I said that I assume Boat did say that and that a lot of people did try by spamming local (not that it matters) in order to try that. I think a lot more of the petitions are directed to the people mass fleet invite spamming our titan which is infact an exploit and does have logs to back it up. As for why it crashed well that is for CCP to say, it is not the first time the node has crashed even when the total number of people in system is going down not up.

            December 16, 2013 at 16:26
          7. GrouchyOldGamer

            No you didn’t I was just checking. I’m not sure spamming local would do much anyway – I rarely have it open in big fights.

            December 16, 2013 at 16:34
          8. lawls at the fail

            ya it helped N3 take the system quickly and saved goons and co. loosing 200+ dreads in the first roll out of omega fleet.

            December 16, 2013 at 17:04
          9. NC. grunt

            Yup, it crashed after the titans jumped.

            Minor addition: they jumped in as the slows were more or less steadily tanking the dreads and it was decided to be a good point to bring them in to start taking down more dreads.

            DD’s went off and dreads started dropping; supers were told _not_ to come in as there was no reason to stress the node further. N3/PL were taking down dreads, and were (bar disconnects and Thanatoi, which should now more easily be replaced by Archons 😉 ) comfortably tanking the dreads in the slows.

            At this point, all of a sudden (among others):
            1) local blew up [yo, spamming local won’t lock up the node anymore!] from, as far as I could tell, non-N3/PL spam;
            2) non-N3/PL – forces appeared to be massively logging off and on;
            3) supposedly well-known Goon- and CFC-block (“junior”?!)-FC DBRB told people following his Twitch-broadcast to “help crash the node”.

            Damn, it must’ve really been the titans N3/PL dropped in that crashed the node…

            December 16, 2013 at 18:28
          10. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            Pretty much the chain of events I observed.
            DBRB’s Twitch feed calling to crash the node, then….Comes local spamming, system numbers fluctuating wildly, everything starts slowing down even more until…. I’m in my bomber trying to lock this Tengu for the 9th time, can’t move, modules won’t activate, getting irritated, people on comms having the same issues and disappointed that the killmail printer has stopped. This goes on for about 30 mins to an hour (I’m not really sure how long) then server disconnect.
            I’m not saying DBRB was the cause… But it sure seems funny…. Just saying.

            December 16, 2013 at 20:57
          11. Space Dude

            Man you are doing an awful lot of DCII for something that is not true or even possible.

            December 17, 2013 at 02:34
          12. Random CFC Grunt

            The node crashed because it couldn’t take any more of boat’s stories, that’s all.

            December 17, 2013 at 14:44
        2. silly shit seriously

          way to dodge the fact that you tried to down play who called for the node crash. it was DBRB goons joan of the arc, your savior, your lead fc, the top goon dog, called for the node crash, way to dodge admitting that. good job.

          December 16, 2013 at 17:01 Reply
    7. Monnty

      I wish you would stop coming on this site, as frankly I’m finding you annoying.

      December 16, 2013 at 16:07 Reply
      1. GrouchyOldGamer

        Oops success, mind if I use this as my sig? I’m going to tweet this now.

        December 16, 2013 at 16:11 Reply
    8. John Doe

      hint hint, CLUSTERFUCK coalition, hmm?

      plus what’s with CFC copy pasting tens of pages of random text in local? they seem to do it towards the end of a fight. can not understand that. it’s like hysterical children

      December 16, 2013 at 17:53 Reply
    9. Space Dude

      dbrb is a junior fc?

      December 17, 2013 at 02:30 Reply
  11. Julius

    Not so much a overhelming victory on N3 side. On BR i have seen 24 dreads deal vs 27 carriers. Subcapitals and rest of shit (that charon was there for what ? ) does not count in overall figure.
    Anyway very poorly writen article with allegation of server crashing without any proof, no BR, no description of the fight. What is stopping us, the not involved players in this conflict to stop reading evenews24 is that TMC will remain the only source of information about the game.
    What it stopping you to post the records? What is stopping you to make a BR?

    December 16, 2013 at 13:45 Reply
    1. Michael

      Reading TMC is like watching MSNBC and hoping to not get Whitehouse talking points, it isn’t going to happen. TMC is goon run and will always be a way for Mittens to spread his goon propaganda.

      December 16, 2013 at 13:52 Reply
      1. Dumbledore

        EN24, your neutral news channel in Eve!

        December 16, 2013 at 14:16 Reply
        1. Michael

          Never said it was neutral, but would you go to Hitler for news on the Reich?

          December 16, 2013 at 14:32 Reply
          1. Winner!

            Plus one for the first Hitler = Goons reference in the articles comments!!

            December 16, 2013 at 15:08
          2. Senoir

            I come here for N3 narratives, so yes.

            December 16, 2013 at 17:53
    2. the one

      drink more koolaid from mittenz dick bro

      December 16, 2013 at 14:03 Reply
    3. Gorakhal

      Its actually 30 carriers to 27 dreadnaughts + 6 dreads in aftermatch so 33 in total count.

      December 16, 2013 at 14:08 Reply
      1. Dumbledore

        Archon hulls are not only half the price of Naglfar hulls, but also a lot easier to replace. The strategy of frequently dropping naglfars blobs runs into problems with the replaceability of those ships. It’s like the damn techfleet or whatever: after only a few welps it was called off because they were getting hard to replace.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:13 Reply
        1. Rcmst

          So the CFC has 20+ Naglfar BPOs….please explain how this results in a shortened supply?

          December 16, 2013 at 17:52 Reply
          1. muh

            if they have 20 nag BPO’s it will take them still a little longer as a week to build those. they just blew up 27 in the fight so if they drop the fleet every week. yea i geaz they’ll come short a few if they go on for a few months like this. archons are cheaper to build and have a shorter build time. so yes thats a lot more easy.

            but what i think will be the biggest problem will be getting those minerals to build all those ships. i got some orders to build a few things and i need to clear out 3 regions of minerals just for that order. and thats just one build order. so yea shortend supply will be becouse its inpossible to get so many minerals in such a short time span.

            and if you think you can ship all those minerals in from let say high sec. for 20 dreads you’ll need 2 bil trit, thats 20 mil m3, thats around 58 JF full of trit only.

            Jita has 33 bil trit on the market. so yea i think shortened supply is going to be in order if the fights go on like this.

            December 16, 2013 at 18:43
          2. Dumbledore

            20 Naglfar bpos isn’t a lot, mate.

            December 16, 2013 at 20:03
    4. 2.4

      You forgot the part that GSF moderators on the site not only delete any comment against goons and friends, but block you from posting again…

      December 16, 2013 at 14:26 Reply
      1. Kamar Raimo

        Not quite. They leave all anti-Goon stuff that makes you look like an idiot in their eyes and gives them something to ridicule you with, but if you manage to put the finger on some sore spot with incisive questions, you get blocked indeed.

        December 16, 2013 at 18:13 Reply
      2. Sneaky SOB

        They blocked me and I was critical of both sides.

        December 17, 2013 at 02:23 Reply
    5. Captain Amazing

      The non-involved players who want their news from a site that doesn’t delete anything anti-CFC will presumably keep reading EN24 since they were intelligent enough to avoid getting into sovfight shitfests in the first place.

      December 16, 2013 at 15:43 Reply
    6. Tarsas Phage

      that Charon was killed after it dropped the new iHub

      December 16, 2013 at 16:23 Reply
      1. richard thomson

        it didn’t drop the ihub, the ihub was ejected before it died but was unable to be anchored. Several hours later a nulli freighter came along and scooped the ihub and anchored it. Thanks for the free ihub rus

        December 16, 2013 at 20:30 Reply
  12. JIeoH Mocc

    Funny thing, this guy writing an article saying:
    “I personally had a few streams up and heard CFC members shifting their focus onto crashing the node so they could safely extract themselves from the field later.”
    Now if I was watching such a stream, I’d take good care to record it and save it for filing a petition, as a collateral evidence at least …
    Now … I wonder, can the writer present such a clip with people massively abusing the mechanics to crush the node? Or is it just another batch of bullshit being tossed around?

    December 16, 2013 at 13:46 Reply
    1. the one

      errrrrrrrr its in dbrbs stream archive no need to record

      December 16, 2013 at 14:01 Reply
      1. someone

        link pls

        December 16, 2013 at 14:03 Reply
      2. JIeoH Mocc

        Kindly provide a timestamp.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:04 Reply
        1. the one

          sat thru that sperging of dbrb last night once is enough but im sure someone will unless boat pulls it

          December 16, 2013 at 14:09 Reply
        2. GrouchyOldGamer

          He said it roughly when the titan dropped. Apparently now boat shouting on a stream is a legitimate proof that the CFC did something to crash a node. I was in that system and there were plenty of people on both sides of that fight asking for the node to crash in local – they must have all been in on it as well.

          December 16, 2013 at 14:12 Reply
          1. CantHaveNiceThings

            A combined N3/PL/CFC/DTF node crash?!?!? Breaking news! All coalitions are working together! …seems more legit then someone saying on a stream ‘crash da node!’ when everyone in local is lolspamming their Soul-crushing lag…. wonder what that combined coalition would be called…

            December 16, 2013 at 14:47
          2. GrouchyOldGamer

            That’s what happened, boat has been working behind the scenes to place high level spies in all alliances.

            On his command they crashed the node. Armed with this new super weapon he’s going to hold CCP ransom like a chippy cuddly Dr Evil.

            December 16, 2013 at 14:59
          3. CantHaveNiceThings

            This must be made into a thing…. immidietly

            December 16, 2013 at 15:03
          4. JD Martin

            PL comms sounded something like this. “If you click the button and it doesn’t work, just wait. If you are feeling randy click it again, but no more because we don’t want the node to crash.” It would have been nice to have a second round of DDs I suppose if anyone could wait that long. Plus I saw quite a few dreads GTFO when the hammer dropped. This was before the supercarriers came in. Who sounds more like they wanted the node crashed?

            December 16, 2013 at 17:12
          5. GrouchyOldGamer

            I think the only people who really wanted it to crash were those who wanted to do other stuff tbh.

            December 16, 2013 at 17:31
          6. Cloora

            After we dropped Titans, we were excited to DD the hell outta all the things, all our Titan pilots were giddy. However, once the first DDs went off it would take about 100 minutes for the next one so the excitement waned. But I had my super ready to go but was ordered to stay out of system unless we had a Titan bump that needed saving. After the node died and some Titans were randomly thrown 1million km out from a half crash, we jumped a few Supers in to save them (I think, i wasn’t part of that force it might have been just N3 supers and not PL)

            I spent most of my time in my Slowcat blapping subcaps semi-AFK whilst cooking and carving a turkey in RL. Very productive day. LOL

            December 16, 2013 at 17:43
          7. Space Dude

            other stuff such as save their dread

            December 17, 2013 at 02:27
          8. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            Boat cuddly? In what universe is that noob blapping douchebag cuddly?

            December 16, 2013 at 20:17
          9. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            Blue Doughnut, LOL

            December 16, 2013 at 20:17
          10. that is not a time stamp, so not proof.

            December 16, 2013 at 22:10
          11. Pandemic Legionare

            Nobody with N3/PL wanted the node to crash. The node crashing means we miss out on killing them all in entirety. If someone on our comms had the balls to actually say that they would get muted/kicked/banned instantly.

            December 16, 2013 at 23:56
      3. hum

        Boat and his bombers crashed the node that is something.

        December 16, 2013 at 15:05 Reply
    2. Deltaguy

      Petitions have been filed tard. Posts on several forums and i know of tons of people who have the petitions in about dbrb ordering the node to be crashed. This isnt the first time goons have done this to save ships. Im sure some remember the old days of when goons couldnt win a fight they would call for the node to get crashed. Pre cfc days.

      December 16, 2013 at 14:41 Reply
      1. JIeoH Mocc

        I also remember a node going down with N3 titan in low armor and away from reps, so not sure what your point is.
        But since petitions were filed, i am sure we will all hear whether it was an exploit or not, eh?

        December 16, 2013 at 14:52 Reply
        1. Cloora

          All titans had a cyno fitted so we could drop supers on them if needed. The only reason we have had trouble dropping tons to Titans on field was bumping. We have that pretty much sorted now.

          December 16, 2013 at 15:54 Reply
          1. Muul Udonii

            I’d be interested to know how you reduce bumping, I’d have thought it would be next to impossible.

            December 16, 2013 at 15:56
          2. Cloora

            It is a sekrit, until everyone else finds out. SPHERE 2.0!

            December 16, 2013 at 15:57
        2. Tarsas Phage

          There’s a not-so-subtle difference between a node going down due to people piling in to kill or save a Titan, and a coalition-level FC actively encouraging his charges to crash the node on purpose.

          December 16, 2013 at 16:21 Reply
          1. JIeoH Mocc

            Yep also a subtle difference between some ogre saying he had sex with your mom yesterday in local chat, and your mom actually having an intercourse with him. Catch my drift?

            Anyway, just logged back into DY-P7Q, and the amount of lag caused by these 4k+ drones abandoned by the slowcats is unbelievable. Can only blame yourselves i guess, keep using them drone boats, why not.

            December 16, 2013 at 16:48
          2. Tarsas Phage

            I’ve never heard a slowcat FC say “keep launching drones and abandoning them so we crash the node.” In fact, it’s a great thing when our first and only set of deployed drones are still alive and effective. I try to keep mine going for as long as possible.

            If anything, we wanted that fight to go on and on last night and there was a palpable disgust on comms when it became apparent that the CFC/rusrus/BL side was actively trying to crash the system once they realized that their rock was just papered.

            December 16, 2013 at 17:19
          3. Cloora

            I had used one set of drones the entire time until the node died. The only time we were instructed to drop another set of drones was if your first set bugged out and was not following orders. That did happen a lot of I was repping Lady Bonnet’s Archon that was taking damage purely from blues drone dmg.

            December 16, 2013 at 17:47
          4. JIeoH Mocc

            And yet 4k-5k of your sentry drones had to be cleaned by a GM half an hour ago because they were lagging the system down to shit

            December 16, 2013 at 17:58
          5. JD Martin

            They should have mandatory drone grouping to prevent this. Just like gun grouping saves server ticks, so could the same logic be applied with drones. Essentially it works out to 1/9th the amount of objects/brackets and shot calculations to be made per second.

            December 17, 2013 at 01:07
          6. Great suggestion. I don’t know how practical that is in pure coding terms but when gun grouping was employed it did improve the situation.

            December 18, 2013 at 13:54
      2. best_burek

        Stop posting please.. You clearly have issues about a fantasy world. Both sides do the same shit. N3+PL are no better than Goons. There are both the same shit and probably called each other to see if they could crash the node. Stop calling people names cause you sound just like a dumb lifeless asshole that’s got nothing better going for him than this game.

        December 16, 2013 at 15:21 Reply
        1. Cloora

          You are an idiot. Manny was intentionally throttling ship in and holding supers back in order to keep the node alive. If we wanted to crash the node all we would have had to do is jump in the supers and drop FiBos. The only supers we dropped were AFTER the node crashed in order to save some titans which got stuck. We were PWNZERING the crap outta those dreads with all our Titans. All N3 and PL were instructed to resub their Titans and move them to staging so if they try this Omegafleet crap again, they will get DDed back to VFK.

          December 16, 2013 at 15:52 Reply
          1. best_burek

            I guess you are related to Deltaguy because you both have a warped sense of reality. Get a life you useless peace of ……. aaaah whats the point of insulting you. Your parents already did that when they gave birth to you.

            December 16, 2013 at 20:14
  13. dino

    WOW… the node crashed because of the drones the carrier fleet launched and abandoned and after the N3/PL cyno’ed in Titans and they fired their DD. If a side made it crash, it’s the N3/PL side.

    December 16, 2013 at 13:52 Reply
    1. Deltaguy

      dont be a stupid fuck. N3 had a full super carrier fleet and dread fleet waiting to come in. If they had wanted to crash the node they would have just needed to cyno them in. We clearly herd goon fc’s calling for the node to be crashed by cfc in order to save the dreads.

      December 16, 2013 at 14:40 Reply
      1. GrouchyOldGamer

        Name two CFC FCs calling for a node crash.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:44 Reply
        1. Andrew Metzger

          I like how you didn’t say, “name one”

          December 16, 2013 at 17:59 Reply
          1. GrouchyOldGamer

            Because one FC saying it in a fleet/stream/whatever isn’t a sign of co-ordination scheme; it’s one guy yelling over comms.

            Now if you have a 2nd FC telling his fleet to do the same that would stand up this conspiracy theory. The truth is no one has actually named any other people to stand this line up:

            “I personally had a few streams up and heard CFC members shifting their
            focus onto crashing the node so they could safely extract themselves
            from the field later.”

            It’s bullshit and you’d have to be a special sort of fellow to think anyone had actually planned that and the spies in all those fleets didn’t capture any evidence other than one guy on one stream – who didn’t explain how to actually crash a node.

            Alex Jones would have trouble getting behind this one and he thinks Goons are a CIA front (we are)

            That’s me done, all the fun has been sucked out of this ‘article’

            December 16, 2013 at 23:23
          2. NC. Grunt

            1) “But if it’s only 2 minor FC’s, when we have umpteen fleets and scores of FC’s on, it’s not an issue, a cause or in any way, shape or form related to it”.

            2) All posts would lead one to assume this didn’t go as planned, I don’t think anyone disagrees. ‘Your side’ appeared to be convinced of another outcome (despite being told several times, including once less than 24 hours before the fight on kugu, that this would most likely not work as you expected). I don’t think anyone’s saying CFC/BL/DTF ‘planned’ to crash the node.

            What we _are_ saying is this:
            a) we noticed a well-known FC calling out on Twitch for an attempt to crash the node after it became apparent the fight wasn’t going your way
            b) N3/PL held back forces in an attempt to not overburden the node any further, despite having more slows, dreads, supers and titans ready to go in.
            c) once the titans were in and things weren’t going your way, we saw a lot of local spam (a tactic used to down a node “in the old days”, but not working anymore)
            d) we have very convincing reports of people being asked to ‘spam D-scan’ in order to highten the load on the node
            e) we notice a lot of people logging off and logging back on (through tracking local). Most of these were CFC/DTF. One wonders if this was intentional (we had no reports on our side of large swaths of disconnects); if this was unintentional apparently a bad connection is a good way to get into CFC, if not it again could be conceived as a way to further load the node.

            As for not using specific tactics: you are aware of one N3/PL titan getting convo- and fleetinvite-spammed in order to lag him out, which (to the best of my knowledge) has been deemed a no-no by CCP?

            December 16, 2013 at 23:34
        2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

          Damn, Grouchy! The way you are posting today is something else. Careful, someone might think you are in full damage control mode.

          December 16, 2013 at 20:00 Reply
          1. GrouchyOldGamer

            I’ll be honest I was bored, and my teasing bone went into overdrive – sometimes I don’t know when to stop, it’s an acknowledged flaw I have. I’m doing other stuff now. But, damn, so much tin foil on here it was hard to resist.

            December 16, 2013 at 20:30
        3. easy

          no problems villy and dbrb

          December 17, 2013 at 01:30 Reply
      2. Hum

        Is there a button the push or something?

        December 16, 2013 at 15:02 Reply
      3. best_burek

        U so smarti pants….U must be part of N3 or PL 😉

        December 16, 2013 at 15:14 Reply
    2. Nyan Lafisques

      ALL N3/PL’s fault, it wasn’t a combination of Carriers, Titans, Dominixes, Dreads, tons of Interceptors/Tengus/other Subcaps on the field.
      IT MUST BE THE CARRIERS GUIZ !

      December 16, 2013 at 17:15 Reply
  14. droljica

    “..finally going into full deployment mode.”… seems like they are ready to commit one full titan and one SC and additional nine capitals… fully deplayed but – in rmt, indeed.

    December 16, 2013 at 13:59 Reply
  15. Bawk Bawkbagawk

    i am not gonna judge by this single fight the same day as the new doctrine was announced. i will wait until the xmas break is a few days old and CFC has the Nike factory up and running [child labor, get it?] then we will see what is what. somehow i dont think it will matter much, but i will wait.

    December 16, 2013 at 14:29 Reply
    1. Captain Amazing

      Yeah, because they totally wanted to go easy on this first and entirely unimportant day. It was also a coincidence that so many of the dreads were Nags. It wasn’t the -real- omega fleet. 😛 It won’t matter, like you said.

      December 16, 2013 at 15:36 Reply
    2. Ex-Eve Vet

      Two coalitions vs one. It wont be a surprised to see who wins when it is all over. Cannot wait to see CCP bring down the nerf bat on coalitions when null sec is all blue. They are alreading talking about removing local, I would not be suprised to see CCP put coalitions on their target list as well.

      December 16, 2013 at 15:55 Reply
      1. Anonymouse

        Remove local and a lot of people will leave to never return (either to highsec or quit game entirely). There’s a reason why wormholes are largely empty… It might revitalize lowsec though….

        December 16, 2013 at 19:58 Reply
        1. truth

          more because you are trapped in a shit system with rolling exits that only allow so much through

          December 17, 2013 at 01:29 Reply
    3. lol

      when you lost whole dread fleets every engagement we will see how you hold up

      December 17, 2013 at 01:28 Reply
      1. Bawk Bawkbagawk

        general directionless butthurt, confused about tense… russian?

        December 17, 2013 at 06:17 Reply
  16. CantHaveNiceThings

    The amount of spinning on these sights makes the spin cycle on my washer machine jelly, the nodes untimely death I would say belongs on the hands of those carriers, not 100%, but most of it, which time and time again has been shown when that amount of carriers is deployed with all their baby drones hurled out into internet space.

    Now as I said not all the blame goes to the carriers, the dreads weren’t exactly healthy for the node either, on top of the drones from the carriers you had 200+ dreads all F1’ing at once to alpha arch’s and than’s off the field which made the node shutter under its load (lolisaidload) but that at least had a cycle time where as drones were just hanging out like ‘sup’. Cycle times in that condition probably took several min. to clear (if they cleared at all).

    I guess some of the blame can also go to the subcaps cause there were alot of them and some to the titans as well cause everyone needs a lil bit of blame, over all it wasnt until many tidi min. later that the node finally committed suicide after the titans came in, I dont think they had much blame since an erebus managed to get flung pretty far from its fleet before things started getting really weird (‘Soul-Crushing lag’). DD’s went off yes and squeezed the nodes heart a little but like the dreads they had to cycle….which would take like an hour+ other than that the titans just seemed to be chilling.

    December 16, 2013 at 14:41 Reply
    1. Muul Udonii

      Yep, good analysis.

      Lets take it one extra level; the slowcat fleet is apparently unbeatable, except by using the exact tactics employed; subs, bombers, dreads to alpha. Dreads to alpha are unbeatable except using the tactics employed; titans to doomsday and supers with fighter bombers.

      So in order to fight the fight, given that slowcats were the initial fleet; means that it’s the game’s fault.

      It’s hardly the fault of any group of players that the server cant handle the fights that are necessary in order to not be completely one-sided.

      December 16, 2013 at 14:50 Reply
    2. Michael

      Why is it that idiots like you completely ignore what actually causes server lag and node crashes. HINT IT’S NOT THE AMOUNT OF DRONES ON FIELD. The skills in your toons head are the BIGGEST reason for tidi and node slowdowns. Every single skill in your toons head has to be used to determine, ship speed, damage, etc, etc, etc. There have been dev blogs on this and how it is the biggest issue with server speed. It is the sheer number of toons NOT the number of drones that crashes servers.

      December 16, 2013 at 14:51 Reply
      1. GrouchyOldGamer

        You seem a very angry man.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:51 Reply
        1. Shutit

          Go post your bull shit on the Mittani dot com where it belongs you piece of shit. We all heard the order to crash the node.

          December 16, 2013 at 15:48 Reply
          1. GrouchyOldGamer

            hahahahahahaha

            December 16, 2013 at 16:13
          2. low sec best sec

            what he’s saying is, even though you spew an immense amount of shit in an attempt to be as good as your daddy the mittani at propaganda, the fact is we all know this time around goons knew they were about to get their teeth kicked in once the titans hit the field.
            so they went back to their #1 save the day tactic. crash the node. which we all know they have done intentionaly in the past, so go on spew your shit, act like you’re winning or beg renters to come rent. simple fact is you had to call for people to crash the node to save your ass, And that was with not only numerical superiority, but both sub cap and cap superiority on the field. doesn’t sound much like the winning side to me.

            December 16, 2013 at 16:32
          3. GrouchyOldGamer

            Hang on, I’m just taking some notes here it’s good stuff…. node crashing super scheme…. done over twitch….. tinfoil salad doesn’t taste as bad as it sounds …… we’re elite you’re scrubs….. right I think I have the nub of it – thanks, you don’t know how useful this’ll be.

            December 16, 2013 at 16:42
          4. N3Fanbud

            Do you have a Real Life actually? I don’t think you do. YOu have too much time talking shit on Killboards, Shittens.COM and EN24. I will send you a local social worker to get you back into Real Life again, so you can have kids, a family and you will get laid every night. Sounds fun, and yes it is!

            December 16, 2013 at 18:31
          5. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            Oh God, Grouchy! Give it up already! You’re embarrassing yourself.

            December 16, 2013 at 19:52
      2. Muul Udonii

        Maybe you should ask PL/N3 not to turn up for any more fights, they have more skills than everyone else right, and therefore are a bigger drain on the server.

        December 16, 2013 at 14:59 Reply
        1. CantHaveNiceThings

          See… PL/N3 intentionally crashed the node c:

          December 16, 2013 at 15:09 Reply
      3. Yeppers

        What he’s saying is that this fight with 1700 on field was full of leetness, while the fight in Fountain with CFC and TEST that had over 4000 pilots for full of skilless noobs.

        December 16, 2013 at 15:01 Reply
        1. Nyan Lafisques

          Or maybe that 6VDT was on Jita’s node…

          December 16, 2013 at 17:11 Reply
      4. Eve 2013 Calls you

        On unreinforced nodes, 400-500 characters can 1% tidi a system with drones you pleb. Drones cause a SHIT TON of lag, why else would there be a bannable rule saying “dont put too much litter on the gate to lag the system or we will ban you.” Good point though, ignore everything else that is wrong and stick to your own ‘truth’.

        December 16, 2013 at 15:51 Reply
        1. lol

          because it causes the single client to lag not the node dipshit

          December 17, 2013 at 01:27 Reply
      5. mellyra

        > Every single skill in your toons head has to be used to determine, ship speed, damage, etc, etc, etc.

        cute newbees don’t have many skills 😀 clearly pl+n3 elite pvp pilots overload the server with all their SP

        December 16, 2013 at 18:22 Reply
      6. Ravenid

        So, despite CCP saying drones are THE major factor in lag and server crashes you know better than the devs.

        Ok.

        Moving on.

        December 16, 2013 at 19:36 Reply
        1. fermaguel

          that HAS since beenr evised, which is why the “brain in a box” feature for ahndling moving characters is one of CCP’s jesus priorities

          December 16, 2013 at 22:05 Reply
        2. truth

          they did not say any such thing only mittens did which is a lie because everything he says is spin

          December 17, 2013 at 01:26 Reply
    3. GrouchyOldGamer

      Top post, the node crashing is CCPs fault – you’d have to a tin foil eating moron to believe anything else.

      December 16, 2013 at 14:52 Reply
    4. Your dumb

      You should feel dumb for what you just wrote.

      December 16, 2013 at 16:33 Reply
  17. Kaminokage

    Yeah, sure…it’s our fault that node went down… 🙂 Let me post 1 screenshot:
    http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8610/b0xg.jpg

    December 16, 2013 at 14:51 Reply
    1. CantHaveNiceThings

      Good….lord, did you have to call the fire dept. to put out the burning case of your computer after you turned on the drone brackets?

      December 16, 2013 at 14:59 Reply
      1. Kaminokage

        Yeah, something like that 😛

        December 16, 2013 at 16:06 Reply
        1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

          I know. With my hybrid cooling system, my system runs about 5C at rest and usually no more than 25-28C when dual-boxing Eve. Last night however, it was running 69-73C with only one client up.

          December 16, 2013 at 19:43 Reply
          1. borbet

            Really? 5C? So your computer is in a refrigerator or you live in a place with power but no heat or your computer is immune to condensation from operating at a much lower temperature then its surrounding environment?

            Or you are full of shit. Take your pick.

            December 16, 2013 at 20:18
          2. dyn-o-fridge

            any hardcore eve player lives in the northern or southern quarters of the planet, to ensure maximum PC coolage

            December 16, 2013 at 22:02
    2. Shizz

      Yeah, I knew it, its all fault of those damn sentry drones !! They should be removed from game together with N3 and slowcats and whatever does not bow before Mittani.

      December 16, 2013 at 15:08 Reply
    3. neutral

      maybe if you had been watching dbrb’s LIVE stream you would have seen him invite people to come crash the node. not to mention that’s been a goon tactic for ages, so ya id say it’s a safe bet to say it was goons fault and intentionaly that the node crashed.

      December 16, 2013 at 16:13 Reply
      1. orly?

        Confirming one guy is all of CFC.

        December 16, 2013 at 18:00 Reply
      2. mellyra

        dbrb hasn’t been allowed to touch anything important since asakai. he fcs his stealthbombers and that’s all he does, whether he thinks the node should be crashed or not is his personal opinion and he isn’t the person who would make that kind of call.

        December 16, 2013 at 18:18 Reply
    4. Lionel Joeseph

      Holee crap you found a Typhoon in that mess!

      December 16, 2013 at 19:29 Reply
    5. truth

      seems like node was just fine till cfc/rus dread fleet started to get a rape train run on them then villey gave to order to try and crash the node

      December 17, 2013 at 01:24 Reply
  18. True story

    I like these goonswagon dreds logging in one by one in DY and being lonely killed by N3 forces… they will need more than 16 BPOs to replace them in short time 😉

    December 16, 2013 at 14:51 Reply
    1. Homophobic John

      Bro, we have more than 50. The 26 from the SOTA are from 1 corp. 1 corp and they all owned by 1 guy.
      L2logistics nigger.

      December 17, 2013 at 02:45 Reply
  19. Muirnin

    Another win for N3…no big surprise here…

    December 16, 2013 at 15:21 Reply
  20. na

    Lol, arrived at work to start nightgrave yard shift and saw the pings for “login for fleet” and knew it would be soul searching decision to login into eve. Nevertheless I didn’t as there is no way I can afford to baby sit and stay tuned on comms for several hours. So I did some work instead. Thanks all much was accomplished.

    That’s -1 from one side of de blob.

    December 16, 2013 at 15:25 Reply
  21. Shutit

    It’s all the N3 and their damn slowcats. Now why can’t these guys just log in with sup caps and get blobbed like their supposed to. In addition why can’t these guys just log in and set timers for the CFC/RUS prime time? Why must they put up and effort to save their space and use the tools at their disposal to do so. They should just log in with sup caps and hopelessly feed the CFC/RUS kill mails. Because that’s what mittens wants to see, or he’ll cry about it in a 4 page post.

    December 16, 2013 at 16:02 Reply
    1. Homophobic John

      Please dont make Mittani cry. He beats us with branches off the willow tree when he gets sad.

      December 17, 2013 at 02:44 Reply
    2. N3 Dude

      best post in this discussion so far

      December 17, 2013 at 10:16 Reply
  22. Well this is beyond stupid but its what i’ve come to expect recently.

    HOWEVER, there is one point that I did know until last night and I think its quite a major deal. Sov Timers are not effected by tidi, when we jumped into the system the Russian TCUs had 20 minutes left to online, in that tidi they should of be claiming the system about the time the node went down (or dying well before they came online to the slowcat fleet that had little else to shoot at).

    Instead they claimed it early, then SBU’s where onlined and again due to tidi onlined in a time period where killing them was unrealistic (18 minutes would be 10% tidi but that server was running way below 10%, somewhere in the 4-5% region at best). Now this totally effected both sides and i’m not even going to go into arguing about who would of ended up with the sov if the timers where effected, which I believe they should be. Probes/warp bubbles etc are all just clocks and are effected by tidi and yet sov structures are not, this seems a major oversight but thats just my two cents.

    December 16, 2013 at 16:45 Reply
  23. Shutit

    Seems like they really hate the 300 references. Let’s give them more. Someone in N3 should make a vid to the song Just like you imagined by nine inch nails. But for now this will have to do: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjGZthPpP0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCqjGZthPpP0#

    December 16, 2013 at 16:48 Reply
    1. blah blah

      Awesome track…great film.

      December 16, 2013 at 17:35 Reply
      1. Shutit

        Leave it to Trent to compose a great tune. Now if only he could make words happen, then we would have something.

        December 16, 2013 at 20:41 Reply
  24. Jack

    CFC had a massive supercap fleet on standby and didn’t use them for fear of crashing the node. N3 bridged titans in the crash the node and the CFC still gets blamed on this ~news~ site. I think this peach tea fellow is a Glevon alias.

    December 16, 2013 at 17:01 Reply
    1. Nyan Lafisques

      N3* had a massive supercap fleet on standby, but then chose to drop Titans instead of dropping them with the hundreds/thousands of Fighter-bombers.

      December 16, 2013 at 17:07 Reply
      1. Jack

        Right, and the CFC/Rus/Whatever didn’t bring them either. The claims that an FC only trusted with 10 bombers on the CFC decided to crash the node is absurd and shameful.

        December 16, 2013 at 17:17 Reply
        1. Nyan Lafisques

          What ?

          December 16, 2013 at 17:18 Reply
          1. Jack

            The original author contends that due to a statement from DBRB (A CFC FC trusted only with bombers these days) the CFC was trying to crash the node. Neither side was, it was a shameful editorializing of the article.

            December 16, 2013 at 17:23
          2. Nyan Lafisques

            Multiple people have been saying that. Altho I haven’t heard it live or afterwards, so I won’t say he did it or not.

            December 16, 2013 at 18:01
          3. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            As much as I hate DBRB, he IS the conquerer of Branch and Tenal, and you say he is only trusted with bombers nowdays? My how the mighty has fallen… hee hee

            December 16, 2013 at 19:21
          4. truth

            villey made the call and dbrb was just relaying the message 😉

            December 17, 2013 at 01:21
    2. Cloora

      Had my Aeon sitting in staging system but was ordered to not bring it in for fear of crashing the node because we were PWNZERING with Titans crew checking in.

      December 16, 2013 at 17:37 Reply
    3. Scott L

      A Supercap fleet that never logs on is really scary…..
      And we held out a Dread fleet, another slowcat fleet and 70% of the Supers….

      December 16, 2013 at 17:47 Reply
    4. Tarzan WITH Jane

      how long is the ban for DBRB this time for tryin gto crash the node in order to save the first ever Omega Fleet?

      December 16, 2013 at 21:18 Reply
    5. truth

      cfc didnt do shit, if they ever use their super fleet again the same thing will happen that did last time they will lose most of it

      December 17, 2013 at 01:20 Reply
  25. Muul Udonii

    Anyone actually got any evidence of anyone asking people to crash the node yet? It’s been a whole 18 hours, you’d think that something would have surfaced by now.

    December 16, 2013 at 17:02 Reply
    1. Andrew Metzger

      CFC FC calling it on stream, I think at this point it’s just accepted for what it is. Highly doubt anyone recorded the stream though.

      December 16, 2013 at 17:37 Reply
      1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        Dabigredboat, and yes he is considered widely to be a douche. I have personally seen and heard him screaming at a noob because he was too new to fly the main doctrine right before he ordered the fleet to primary the poor fellow.

        December 16, 2013 at 19:12 Reply
    2. Scott L

      The logs show nothing…..
      Would you expect any “Proof”? besides one of their FC’s raging on comms demanding they try to crash the node?
      All we saw was lots of CFC logging on and off in the system, can’t say that broke the node, since even CCP doesn’t seem to know why it happens.
      Was funny that it crashed right after that and saved all those dreads, but the bottom line is that the game is broken on a number of levels, if players can cause it to crash at all.

      Even after the node recovery, the system was completely bugged, massive lag, with no tidi.

      December 16, 2013 at 17:55 Reply
      1. Ravenid

        I’d love to see this magical CFC members logging off and on you laimed to have seen. Espically when trying to enter the system took 30 mins in TiDi. That would be a whopping 2 maybe 3 logoff per pilot meaning the entire CFC fleet would be doing nothing for that time and would not be shooting anything.

        And the claim that there was a CFC FC calling for this has only come from N3 side and despite repeated requests from everyone no recording has come forward. (And if you’re gonna say either why should I or we dont do that, you’re spying wrong. Hell even we do it in Wormhole Space.)

        Basically until there is actual proof there is only 1 reason CFC survived last night, CCP. I’d look there first. (ANyway who actually profited from the Node crash with the system resetting its ownership magically?)

        December 16, 2013 at 19:31 Reply
        1. wow

          twitch recording you dumb fuck go watch it

          December 17, 2013 at 01:18 Reply
  26. Why, cause fuck goons...

    “and heard CFC members shifting their focus onto crashing the node so they could safely extract themselves from the field”… Cause that is what goons do, literally ruin the game for everyone…

    December 16, 2013 at 17:27 Reply
    1. and please do tell me HOW we did this act of magic? and WHY we would do this act of magic?

      I’m pretty sure we where indeed ready to call it a day and extract, dreads had been told to unsiege and when the single bubble holding a fair number dropped I am quite sure we’d of been exiting stage right.

      There was no dying going on, the titans had blown their load and wouldn’t be firing a doomsday for another hour or so, the node crash did not HELP with extracting dreads, it got a bunch stuck who would then login solo like fucking morons and die.

      But yes we crashed the node and can do so at will, FEAR OUR AMAZING SUPER POWERS!!!!! ON YOUR KNEES MERE MORTALS!!!

      December 16, 2013 at 18:26 Reply
      1. GrouchyOldGamer

        Boat’s hat is magical.

        December 16, 2013 at 18:27 Reply
        1. He can certainly pull structures to shoot out of it

          December 16, 2013 at 18:27 Reply
          1. Makalu

            Whether you like it or not, 100 ceptors were about to descend on your dreads and at least 100 of those dreads were never going to make it off the field. So spew goon propaganda all you want, but you were in full panic mode, of lets crash the server cause holy shit.Only a fraction of our supers has come in at that point, we tons more ready to hit the field. The reason we didn’t bring supers in right away is because we had concerns for server stability, so we brought in titans to see how it went and were going to make the decision from there. Unfortunately the glorious goon fc team made the decision to attempt to crash the server and extract.

            So please, spin this any way that you want.

            December 16, 2013 at 21:06
          2. and then what? 100 ceptors can certainly tackle dreads for as long as they last against broken Garde II tracking bullshit but thats an entirely differant can of worms. What where you going to do in those 5 minutes the interceptors would of lived for? this is pretty much the big question… if the answer is drop 120 supers into a dying system node… well bro the result would of been node down not dead dreads.

            December 16, 2013 at 21:13
          3. Makalu

            i dunno our slowcats were tackled for 6 hours straight…let me tell you about how long bubbles last in 10% tidi….yea….those dreads were going nowhere other than the killboard. Oh surely some would’ve made it out, the vast majority was going to die. In any case, yet again cfc/rus capital fleet saved by the node crash…probably not the last time either.

            December 16, 2013 at 23:01
    2. Kamar Raimo

      Well, if that was their objective then they suck pretty bad at it. From the last numbers I read CFC/RUS lost in terms of strategic objective, numbers killed and the ISK war.

      See, that makes me doubt the whole thing, because if Goons/CFC are good at anything, then it’s metagaming. If they had wanted to crash the node for their own benefit, I am sure they would have managed to get a better result.

      I guess the only thing tinfoil really protects you against is reality checks ;P

      December 16, 2013 at 18:54 Reply
      1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        They did it to stem their losses.

        December 16, 2013 at 19:06 Reply
        1. Loses from what exactly?

          December 16, 2013 at 19:23 Reply
          1. Zdrack

            oh lets see.. titans, dreads, supers… all the stuff n3 used to kill them before they crashed it

            December 16, 2013 at 20:10
  27. orly?

    The idea of jumping in supers to do something bombers (assuming you do get to throw bombs) can accomplish just as effectively is… well pretty crazy.

    I have heard “Not sure about jumping in supers… might crash the node…”. This is not the same thing as “Lets jump in supers to crash the node”.

    December 16, 2013 at 17:58 Reply
  28. Kamar Raimo

    Aside from all the fingerpointing I really don’t get it why the CFC is burning itself out like that. I mean the RUS guys and N3 have something at stake, but what is it that makes the CFC pilots to commit to mind numbing TiDi and grinding.

    If I were Mittens I’d stick with the Goodfights(tm) approach and then mop up whoever is left standing after RUS and N3 have worn eachother down.

    December 16, 2013 at 18:10 Reply
    1. kadeshi grunt

      For CFC it is about securing there null sec dominance by taking out the only remaining power block that can challenge them successfully. PL will back N3 in order to counter CFC . IF CFC win thIs war Russian pets will never threaten them and there power over null sec will be secured.

      December 16, 2013 at 18:27 Reply
      1. Kamar Raimo

        But couldn’t you also achieve that by hitting N3 once they are weakened from the war (assuming they’d even manage to win)?

        December 16, 2013 at 18:28 Reply
        1. kadeshi grunt

          true but the main problem is the Russians have demonstrated they cant win the war without full CFC backing . Referring to the latest supercapital plunders and overall lack of progress recently as N3 managed to Grind there advance to a crawl at best

          December 16, 2013 at 18:37 Reply
          1. dunesbury wins

            As Mittani once said, it was due to Russian incompetence. That’s why -A- had to revamp their entire leadership and enlist Americans and then they now are CFC bitches.

            Like Elo with Black Legion.

            December 16, 2013 at 20:11
        2. kadeshi grunt

          true but the Russians have demonstrated that they could not win this war alone. With Recent super capital plunders and the fact that N3 and PL have slowed there progress to a crawl has demonstrated that they cannot win this war without FULL CFC Backing!!

          December 16, 2013 at 18:41 Reply
          1. Robo

            Sad that it takes the biggest Coalition in eve and another Rus coalition try and take on N3/PL on their own.
            Pathetic scrubs.

            December 16, 2013 at 19:04
          2. FC

            You cannot be serious. Let’s talk about who it would take to kick the CFC out of their space?

            December 16, 2013 at 19:15
          3. Demosthenez

            That would be N3/PL, quit crying, as soon as we’re done mopping up you CFC scrubs in the south we’re coming for your homes.

            December 16, 2013 at 20:57
          4. S2N Grunt

            Even if hell froze over and we temp blue’d the Russian’s, I don’t see any way of bringing down the Goon empire without the goons having some kind of internal failscade or a really dedicated spy that happens to drop sov. I am curious who is going torching the Goons home space while they are being an honorable third party.

            December 16, 2013 at 21:05
          5. xxxxx

            Lol. In your dreams.

            December 17, 2013 at 19:39
          6. Robo

            Although I have no doubt if attacking cfc turf it would be two fold more difficult and less fun than the content N3/PL give us.
            It’s still a case that if the rest of null sec ganged up on cfc.
            1. Would be about time people got their heads out of their asses.
            2.cfc would actual have a relatively equal sized opponent for a change, instead of trying to blob all their hostiles 3-4-5:1 odds like the fake e-bus girl awesomeness half of them believe there actions amount to.

            December 16, 2013 at 23:28
          7. Unknown

            Russians think they can just use the CFC to destroy their enemies and then just reset them after the war……..ya good luck with that. They’re just handing null sec over to the goons by that point if they win…

            December 16, 2013 at 20:18
    2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      Because this is it! Ragnarok, Armageddon, the winner of this war will be the top dogs in Nullsec for the forseeable future.

      December 16, 2013 at 18:59 Reply
  29. Random scrub.

    My count is 14 [email protected] bil each=28bil
    CFC+RusRus [email protected] each=105bil

    This is not taking into account the incsurances which I’m sure all capitals have.

    December 16, 2013 at 18:41 Reply
  30. DrkyDrky

    If CFC/RUS did decide to crash the node, dumb move on their part.
    They still had like 80-90 more minutes until N3PL titans could refire their DDs, meaning their dreads were free to continue shooting down slowcats for a while with minimum harassment from LR titan guns.

    If they did crash the node, they would’ve done it immediately before titans can refire DDs, not immediately after.

    December 16, 2013 at 18:42 Reply
    1. richard thomson

      except that was only half of the logged on titans. there was another 40 in fleet with and other 20 at log in screens, There was close to another 200 supers at log in screens. A fleet of short range dreads and extra slow read to go

      December 16, 2013 at 20:12 Reply
    2. Unknown

      well after the DD’s you had lost over 20 dreads, and were continuing to lose more. They didnt need just doomsdays to take down your dreads. They had more than enough dps, and CFC was lucky the node crashed. And im not saying they did it in intentionally.

      December 16, 2013 at 20:16 Reply
      1. orly?

        Surely there weren’t 20 more dreads on standby…? Or supers. Or titans. Nope – only N3 ever has extra ships to go around…

        December 16, 2013 at 20:58 Reply
        1. Unknown

          you really think CFC or Rusrus would have dropped supers or titans? I really doubt it.

          December 17, 2013 at 20:14 Reply
    3. truth

      pretty sure we have 40ish more titans and 150+ supers as well just sitting on standby

      December 16, 2013 at 21:44 Reply
    4. Robo

      To limit bumps it’s a good idea to drop smaller (lol) groups of titans, say 40-50 at a time at close spots to each other. Alpha initial targets, then jump in 2nd wave of titans to alpha the rest of majority rest of what’s out their firing. By that time 90-100+ dreads could be dead depending on Titan count.
      That ever 10minutes is far better turn over than losing half a dozen maybe slowcats every 10mins.

      December 16, 2013 at 23:22 Reply
  31. Pandemic Legionare

    We had all kinds of extra fleets on standby, most of which were not utilized at all (exceptions being the Titans) so that the node wouldn’t crash. It is fact that CFC intentionally did it in order to save their failed dread fleet, which would have met complete annihilation otherwise.

    December 16, 2013 at 19:27 Reply
    1. Unknown

      yep the super carriers were on standby the entire time, and they saved that titan after he logged in after the node crash

      December 16, 2013 at 20:14 Reply
    2. Suppers, the real blobing

      And yet, you complain at goons for dropping 1200 people in local… but you have no problem droping 200 supers on field. Who more cowardly at engaging, i wonder..

      December 16, 2013 at 20:52 Reply
      1. truth

        they did not even drop the supers in fact they only dropped about half the titans just to keep the node from crashing it was the cfc who ordered their members to crash the server hundreds of people saw and heard the order and im sure some were even ccp

        December 16, 2013 at 21:44 Reply
      2. Robo

        If 1 side wants to field 25bill supers x200 and x100 titans to try and counter the coward fuck forces of cfc/Rus/BL so be it. Every time N3/PL make a play they make a huge risk, putting a chance in play they could welp just a few bumped supers/titans and bring bad efficiency vs the cowardblob.

        So PL/N3 need more credit for being able to organise this show of might vs a much larger coalitionS.
        Man the fuck up and stop whining like a simple aids ridden goon tard, sound like mittens ffs, sad state of affairs.

        December 16, 2013 at 23:16 Reply
        1. Dumbledore

          Efficiency schmefficiency

          December 17, 2013 at 14:14 Reply
    3. Ben Thurman

      Yup. Any CFC grunts wonder why they never saw any N3 dreads? Because 100+ were just waiting to drop the hammer on your ass. THAT’s why CFC crashed the node.

      December 16, 2013 at 22:55 Reply
  32. Tavian Blake

    We where never ordered to crash the node somehow… u want a Screenshot of this abandoned Drones from the Carriers? This nodecrash was a simply result what happens if there are tons of drones in space o.O

    December 16, 2013 at 19:28 Reply
    1. S2N Grunt

      True, had nothing to do with the 1200 Russian Goons in system.

      December 16, 2013 at 19:44 Reply
    2. Mister Veeeeeeeeeeeee

      Vily gave the order

      December 16, 2013 at 20:04 Reply
    3. Demosthenez

      Oh and I suppose DBRB screaming on video for mass logoff and login to crash the node wasn’t proof enough?

      December 16, 2013 at 20:52 Reply
      1. Ciaphas Cyne

        pix or it didnt happen

        December 16, 2013 at 22:24 Reply
      2. chetchin

        vily was screaming “spam d-scan and local. Spam d-scan and local… NOWWWWW!!!!! KEEP SPAMMING KEEP SPAMMING” and they were threatening to kick people from alliance for it. It’s fucking bullshit.

        December 17, 2013 at 00:33 Reply
  33. C.P Coppola

    Only thing Mittani is going to smoke around here is some cock.

    Gee-

    damn bro you post so well for a goon apparently. stop faking and get out your basement and breathe fresh air once a while. it’ll help you distinguish that whats actually coming out your mouth is literally bullshit”

    Typical “point the finger” goon bullshit is more like it. Why don’t you answer for goons and the rest of the community around here who is in charge over there. There appears to be some confusion on your end.

    Take for example the freighter and egg spin. Rather than Mittani taking accountability and ownership of his goons incompetence, they just do what the fuck they want. Repeatedly tells them not to do it and they go and do it anyway. Not because of “incompetence”, but because they don’t give a flying fuck what Mittani has got to say. Not like he fucking ever takes field. He doesn’t even know how to play the game.

    Having known Mittani, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had the freighter taken out in an attempt to gain control of goons. Sounds like the operation was going through with or without his authority.

    “I have bad feels. Let’s go with our intuition here. I’m making the call”

    Lol and then his people tell him to get the fuck in system and then make the call lol. So he goes and grabs a snack and the freighter gets whelped. More like he tipped off the enemy in order to maintain this prophetic mystic “I was born under two rainbows image”.

    Sounds like a big fuck you to the rest of the world. So why don’t you take your fat ass outside and get a breath of fresh air, bud.

    Like alexb said, Mittani is a big fucking pussy. His own people push him around and let him do the media whoring. A real fucking CEO would have not allowed such incompetence to occur and if it did occur he’d handle it internally and not just spin it and throw them under the bus.

    December 16, 2013 at 20:02 Reply
    1. 2.4

      His “bad feeling” was really a Dev telling him what was going on…

      December 16, 2013 at 20:51 Reply
  34. Spectral Beef Warrior

    I’m enjoying this spaceship video game

    December 16, 2013 at 20:08 Reply
  35. eveplayer

    why don’t the folks that have the recording send them to ccp . because the goons are dilberatly crashing the server

    December 16, 2013 at 20:25 Reply
    1. Ciaphas Cyne

      because if a record of it existed, we would all have already seen it. its a rumor. and as of yet, i havent found proof.

      December 16, 2013 at 22:24 Reply
      1. JamesX Talveren

        I was there. Vily gave the order and was screaming “spam local and d-scan, spam local and d-scan”.

        It was complete retaliation for N3’s slowcats doing the same thing. They can’t come to the fight on an equal playing field. Our best ten guys and can’t their top 30 guys.

        Hands down

        December 17, 2013 at 00:29 Reply
        1. truth

          your side out numbered them and they kept dropping drones because you were bombing them and they would move out of scoop range making the circle of life for when we dropped 40 titans on you

          December 17, 2013 at 01:07 Reply
        2. Ciaphas Cyne

          again, if u have proof of this please share it. otherwise…

          December 17, 2013 at 04:05 Reply
  36. Demosthenez

    CCP won’t do shit because they’re in bed with the goons in the sense that they don’t want to lose all those subs should the goons all be banned (as they should).

    December 16, 2013 at 20:50 Reply
    1. Inigo Montoya

      Show me on the rifter where Goons touched you…

      December 16, 2013 at 22:39 Reply
      1. Demosthenez

        Fail troll is fail, good day sir, you LOSE!

        December 16, 2013 at 23:58 Reply
  37. Some Boon

    CCP loves massive fights, but how many battles now have there been in the last few months where the node crashes, saving one side or the other?.

    It might just be me, but I think for a company that wants to attract new players & tries to sell their MMO with PR using large scale fights as an enticement to come play their game, these node crashes serve as a black eye & an embarrassment, not only to the company but as a insult to their current customer base/community.
    CCP please fix or upgrade whatever it is that needs it, to stop this type of crap from happening again. People don’t like 10% TiDi & they sure as hell don’t like node crashes that are becoming increasingly common.

    December 16, 2013 at 21:08 Reply
    1. Gavin

      While I understand your whining, I’m pretty sure CCP has already got the memo, and if they were able to fix it, they would.

      December 16, 2013 at 21:27 Reply
      1. Ciaphas Cyne

        its called m.o.n.e.y dumbass. they “could” they just dont wanna

        December 16, 2013 at 22:23 Reply
        1. Chris

          Or maybe they wanna, but they don’t have said money.

          I guarantee ccp know how to deal with the backend issues of eve far better than you do.

          December 18, 2013 at 04:55 Reply
          1. Ciaphas Cyne

            oh i certainly agree! eve devs know way more about the problem than I do. But im also not a moron. its a human-workhours issue, that much is plain. They are wasting that time on things that arent “making the game you already have work as advertised”

            December 18, 2013 at 06:05
          2. Chris

            Different teams do different things. Its not so easy to just say, everyone, fix lag. If you do that, you’ll have people floundering around with code they aren’t familiar with. There are people who are hard at work on the lag issue, it’s just a huge beast and they’ve already hit the low hanging fruit.

            December 18, 2013 at 17:24
          3. Ciaphas Cyne

            right! i get that as well. but instead of hiring….umm mintchip?(too easy) and others like her….or dudes from EA to help with marketing….they could hire programmers who know wtf they are doing! trust me, it could be done in a week if enough money was thrown at them. look how fast man made it to the moon. 6 years after throwing a shit ton of money at the project weve got boots on moon dust and nasa enters a golden age. CCP just needs to make “THE GAME ACTUALLY WORK AS ADVERTISED” before even approaching WIS, FPS, dog fight sims, and vampire RPGs….. none of those things are what we pay CCP for….none of those things will make the game work as it was intended to work TEN YEARS AGO! I was 15 then listening to my MC. buddies complaining about lag in history class. alot has been changed since then but we still cant have 2k ship battles without soul crushing latency. you know what hasnt changed? CCPs constant hyping that the game CAN handle 2k+ fights. guess what? they cant. The players clearly want to be able to fight on a larger scale. that is so much clearer than 99% of the shit they are currently working on. and dont get me wrong ive loved rubicon and odd. I NEVER fight in big enough engagements to care about tidi. its just really dishonest to say “we cant fix that now because we are short of funds”

            its just not true. they are choosing to do other things with the money and man power. they can hire whoever they want and work on w/e they want. no reason to keep making any other feature if your a dev until this lag issue is sorted. players want the big battles its clear as day.

            December 18, 2013 at 21:09
          4. Chris

            Yes, everyone in null wants lag fixed. That’s nothing new.

            But you know what? It will never, EVER happen. Years ago, 2k man battles were unthinkable. Now they’re happening. The moment CCP comes up with something to combat lag, Eve players push those limits until we have the same problem. We’ve had fights over 2k before. Take asakai and 6vdt. However, those fights did not contain the drone heavy, obviously high resource doctrines. Fixing lag is a goal that will continuously move further away.

            Why would you compare the effort to fix lag to the effort of fixing lag, they are nothing the same. For starters, landing on the moon is a fixed goal that does not move. Fixing lag is a dynamic goal that depends on the playstyles of your playerbase at the time.

            I’d say the game works as advertised. Nobody promised you lag-free 2k+ man battles. People like you will never be satisfied. he lag issues didn’t kill eve 5 years ago, it won’t kill eve now.

            If the game is so bad, take your attitude of entitlement and go elsewhere.

            December 18, 2013 at 21:22
          5. Ciaphas Cyne

            u must be an old fucker. old fuckers love to go on and on about “entitlement” forgetting that the baby boomer generation is probably the most selfish and “entitled” generation america has ever seen. sorry if your not an old bastard, but you sound like one.

            again, i dont have issues with lag personally, if you read above youd have got that. CCP has promised us huge fleet fights, and CCP could give us them. you act like lag will never stop, that if its raised to 4k, that eve players will just try and push it. well there is a cap, its called the player base. active node monitoring for example would help.

            u are being to over dramatic tho. “kill eve” ? no one is talking about that.

            “2000 man battles are happening?” tell that to anyone whos seen a node crash lol

            December 18, 2013 at 21:31
          6. Chris

            Nope. Not old. I just hate when people demand things that are likely never going to happen, or at least not within the small time frame they want.

            I’d say 2k is a huge fleet fight. Even larger fights have happened as I said previously. I think the biggest problem isn’t so much the code, as it is everyone’s reliance on drone assist. No server could handle thousands of drones being shit out by slows/domis/ishtars, etc. Its simply not a reasonable thing to ask for.

            December 18, 2013 at 21:38
          7. Ciaphas Cyne

            hahaha well that might be something that can be fixed within the drone code. i have no idea and i wont speculate on that. CCP should be stress testing the system with max loads though. also, drone assist wont be around much longer so dont worry about that. a good deal of lag actually comes from the skill sets being loading, not anything happening in space. as far as i know only CCP veritas has been given the ok to fix that major lag issue. give him 3 or 4 helpers and lets move the time from up on the “brain in a box” for starters.

            i think we just both feel differently about the effort required and how it can be done. i feel like its just something they are choosing to ignore, while you feel it is something that is being dealt with in the right time-frame. i feel it is an easy task given the talent and resources CCP have, you do not.

            so thats that as they say!

            December 18, 2013 at 21:46
  38. boris

    a percentage of the node crash has to go to the km whores. One of my dscans had over 200 interceptors ffs. Word spreads of a big fight and shithawks come in from every system to whore

    December 16, 2013 at 21:13 Reply
    1. that would be the elite N3 subcap cadre

      December 16, 2013 at 21:16 Reply
      1. cfcarebad

        they worked well they killed boosting ships and dreads and a charon was quite effective

        December 16, 2013 at 21:42 Reply
      2. Robo

        Don’t need anything bigger than Intys for the likes of cfc hurf durf

        December 16, 2013 at 23:09 Reply
    2. Garandras

      Yeah N3 feilded a ceptor fleet.. which was actaully quite effective
      They even took out the frighter that dropepd into the battle.. and also caught a couple of dreds that logged back in after the crash..

      December 16, 2013 at 21:32 Reply
    3. richard thomson

      Actually the interceptors have several very important roles. I normally fly a slow cat but many slowcat pilots were ordered in to inties instead. We had a full fleet on interceptors and frigates from N3. Pl had a smaller crow fleet and there were some subhuman fleets of frigates going around as well

      So I went from dual boxing a slow on my main and moros on an alt to alt in an inty and moros on my main

      December 18, 2013 at 01:25 Reply
    4. Chris

      Yep. We whored on all of those dictors and bombers that died.

      December 18, 2013 at 04:54 Reply
  39. Aquarius

    “I personally had a few streams up and heard CFC members shifting their focus onto crashing the node so they could safely extract themselves from the field later.”
    If you are gonna claim this, then have a recording of it. Otherwise its shit reporting.

    December 16, 2013 at 21:48 Reply
    1. Ciaphas Cyne

      havent seen or heard one shred of truth to this.

      December 16, 2013 at 22:29 Reply
      1. Deltaguy

        If you were watching dbrb’s stream you would have herd and seem him ordering cfc to crash the node with alts logging on and off in system. Why the fuck would n3 crash the node by abaondoning sentry drones when we had a 150man super fleet 190 dreads all waiting to come in that didnt cus we didnt want the node to crash and the dreads to get out.

        December 17, 2013 at 03:53 Reply
        1. Ciaphas Cyne

          oh thats great it was on dbrbs stream? then someone will have def recorded it. please just send me the link with proof. ill wait. thnkz

          December 17, 2013 at 04:06 Reply
          1. Justin Cody

            no it wasn’t…he did mention that the node was teetering on death many times though and that the node was likely going to crash.

            December 17, 2013 at 10:02
          2. miley cyrus

            This close enough for boat trying to crash the node?

            [ 2013.12.16 03:47:14 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: OMEGA NAGS (DD TANK FIT) AND DOMI’s 5/5/5 garde/curator/wardern
            [ 2013.12.16 03:52:50 ] Dabigredboat > Ok fuckers time to do something silly
            [ 2013.12.16 03:53:32 ] Dabigredboat > start logging off dreads, gogogogogo
            [ 2013.12.16 03:54:01 ] Jaag Jaff > -1 Nag
            [ 2013.12.16 03:54:31 ] CALUGARU > -1 nag as well
            [ 2013.12.16 03:55:51 ] Dabigredboat > guys, keep logging in and out again
            [ 2013.12.16 03:56:12 ] Dabigredboat > for all those in domi’s launch drones now

            December 17, 2013 at 21:13
    2. Inigo Montoya

      Agreed. It seemed like N3/PL we’re making an obvious attempt to overload the node by abandoning hordes of drones to overload the node when the Omega fleet was chewing through the carriers. Would be interesting to get clips of someone giving the order to purposely overload the node on either side.

      December 16, 2013 at 22:37 Reply
      1. Scott L

        ROFL, we held back 1000 people in order not to crash the node, but keep the spin game going…
        You were going to lose those 200+ dreads without the node crash.
        And the stream of Boat brain calling to crash the node is public.

        December 17, 2013 at 06:25 Reply
    3. truth

      it is recorded 🙂

      December 17, 2013 at 01:05 Reply
  40. Ruineri

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vG6cnS4BsQ video of titans doomsdaying

    December 16, 2013 at 22:11 Reply
  41. Ciaphas Cyne

    “The premiere of The CFC’s “Omegafleet” tonight while at first seemed effective started to slow down as the fight continued.”

    umm no it wasnt? just sayin… bad propaganda is bad

    December 16, 2013 at 22:28 Reply
  42. Demosthenez

    Goons had to crash the node, if they didn’t their entire dread fleet would have been slaughtered.

    December 16, 2013 at 23:59 Reply
    1. locke

      n3 had to crash the node, if they didn’t their entire titan fleet would have been slaughtered

      December 17, 2013 at 11:48 Reply
      1. N3_Grunt

        You sure buddy? 😉

        December 17, 2013 at 15:34 Reply
  43. Dravoslavic

    we was goon fight for us. now we fight for goon is bullshit

    December 17, 2013 at 00:12 Reply
  44. Soulxlight

    CFC was not trying to crash the node. First of all we had the subcap advantage and could pop any N3 hics or dics that came on field thus keeping us for the most part unbubbled the entire fight. Second CFC/Stainwagon had a crapton of bombers on field that would bomb any bubbles that dropped on the dreads.

    Who has more reason and ability to crash the node ?

    A. Group of Dreads that were not bubbled and had subcaps to keep the bubblers off of them.

    B. Group of carriers that were getting alphaed and had a ton of drones that they were confirmed to be launching and abandoning and had nearly no subcaps to speak of. Most of those carriers where Euro and had been on well past their primetime. Reinforcements were steady for CFC/Stainwagon/BL who have a big US timezone presence.

    December 17, 2013 at 00:40 Reply
    1. S2N Grunt

      The spin is strong with this one! If you were in so much of an advantage, then why not log everything back in as soon as the server was backup?

      December 17, 2013 at 00:51 Reply
      1. lawful insanity

        Lol do you really thing he will awnser that truthfully?

        December 17, 2013 at 01:20 Reply
    2. bad spin is bad

      im gonna go with C. the group of dreads that were getting raped in the ass by half the total number of titans that we had logged in

      December 17, 2013 at 01:04 Reply
    3. miley cyrus

      [ 2013.12.16 03:47:14 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: OMEGA NAGS (DD TANK FIT) AND DOMI’s 5/5/5 garde/curator/wardern
      [ 2013.12.16 03:52:50 ] Dabigredboat > Ok fuckers time to do something silly
      [ 2013.12.16 03:53:32 ] Dabigredboat > start logging off dreads, gogogogogo
      [ 2013.12.16 03:54:01 ] Jaag Jaff > -1 Nag
      [ 2013.12.16 03:54:31 ] CALUGARU > -1 nag as well
      [ 2013.12.16 03:55:51 ] Dabigredboat > guys, keep logging in and out again
      [ 2013.12.16 03:56:12 ] Dabigredboat > for all those in domi’s launch drones now

      December 17, 2013 at 14:57 Reply
  45. DrkyDrky

    I think Gewns & co. should add these two strategies for the next battle:

    (1) Refitting dreads using mobile depots to resist Doomsdays. If you’re a dread pilot and you see one of the Titans preparing to DD you, replace all of your damage mods with the appropriate Hardeners to resist the DD

    (2) Throw in a crapton of ECM burst fitted Scorpions into the heart of Slowcat blob via Titan bridging. The more, the merrier. Once the Archons are mostly disabled (no more sentry drones & remote RR), than drop CR dreads.

    Their other options is to continuously get spanked by N3PL & whine about how op Slowcats are after every battle.

    December 17, 2013 at 00:58 Reply
    1. Jakes

      “Once the Archons are mostly disabled”

      lol?

      Archons have a base sensor strength of 72. Drones DPS wouldn’t be effected even if they did manage to jam anything, as the trigger is always remote buffed. Scorpions would simply die once every four sec’s(real time, assuming the the drones were not split over multiable triggers), faster if they are split over more then one trigger.

      December 17, 2013 at 01:26 Reply
      1. DrkyDrky

        You’re forgetting that each sentries would be hit by each ECM burst, not just the Archons.

        Even if the Archons have 450 sensor strength (with 4 ECCMs), they will most likely lose the locks against 300 Scorpions each pumping out ECM bursts strength of 10 (with appropriate fleet bonuses). 99.95% chance that an individual ECCM equipped Archon will lose lock per burst cycle.

        December 17, 2013 at 01:32 Reply
        1. Jakes

          Why would it matter that sentries are being hit?

          Also if you think they would have a 99.95% chance of losing lock then you are very bad at math.

          December 17, 2013 at 01:37 Reply
          1. DrkyDrky

            Do your homework m8. An ECM burst on a scorp with proper boosts will allow up to 70km diameter burst range with 10 ECM sensor strength. The ECM burst range without any boost is 12km RADIUS, which is 24km diameter.

            Lets say an Archon with 4 ECCM has ~400 Radar strength.
            A 10 point ECM has ~2.5% chance of disrupting the lock. Or 97.5% chance of Archon to keep the locking mechanism intact.

            To calculate the chance that the Archon will survive all ECM attempt from each of 300 scorps:

            (0.975)^300 x 100% = 0.05% chance to keep their lock or 99.95% chance of losing a lock.

            Also, if other Archons can’t get a lock on the Trigger, how will the poor trigger get boosted?

            December 17, 2013 at 03:48
          2. EMP Grunt

            That lasts as long as it takes for the Archons to fit smartbombs off each other……oh wait……they do fit smartbombs quite well. And Scorpions are NOT really tanky.

            December 17, 2013 at 05:49
          3. Makalu

            let me tell you what happens to those poor scorpions at 12km off the archon blob…actually that’s too easy, i’ll let you figure it out. But i’ll give you a hint…neuts something something, smartbombs something something.

            December 17, 2013 at 06:19
          4. DrkyDrky

            No lock, no Neut

            Pretty sure a Scorp fitted with full rack of tanks on Med, lows & rigs can achieve decent tanking against nearby Archons using SBs.

            If not, go support them with triage Chimeras.

            Guess we’ll never know their true effectiveness until they hit the field. But what other option does the CFCRUS have in order to counter the slowcats? Virtually none

            December 17, 2013 at 06:59
          5. Makalu

            oh there are options my friend…we know how to counter our own archons…but we won’t tell you…much better options than anything you’ve come up with…keep trying

            December 17, 2013 at 17:59
          6. True story

            a) Scorps will use smartbomb to kill drones –> Archons will smartbomb –> Scorpions will die in a fire
            b) Scorps will not use smartbomb –> Archons drop fighters or heavy drones in aggressive modo –> Scorpions will die in a fire

            December 17, 2013 at 21:09
          7. DrkyDrky

            Good luck killing the Scorps in time before Slowcats can swamped. The proposed fitting below allows the ‘lamecats’ to sustain active tank for up to 5 Archons in vicinity each fitted with 5 SBs. Having more Archons in smartbombing range would still take a very long time for them to clear the Lamecats. Additionally, they very cheap & easy to replace IF they get popped.

            Highs: Smartbombs (only use against drones & incoming bombs)
            Med:
            1x ECM burst II
            1x X-Large shield booster II
            1x EM hardener
            1x Thermic hardener
            2x Invul field II
            2x LSE II
            Low:
            1x DCII
            4x PDS II
            Rigs:
            3x Shield rigs

            Remember that as long as ECM bursting Scorps are alive, drones can’t fire and most Archons can’t get a lock. Meaning Slowcats become sitting ducks.
            Doesn’t matter if drones are aggressive or not, if they can’t get a lock, they can’t attack.

            Special thanks to ‘Burn Eden’ for providing fundamental information for this tactic’s development.

            December 17, 2013 at 22:13
    2. no

      Look on the killmails… most of the titan’ed dreads have 2+ titans on them.
      Scorpions? Drones on aggressive, goodbye scorpion blob.
      You didnt really think this through much did you?

      December 17, 2013 at 03:11 Reply
      1. DrkyDrky

        If those dreads fitted dual shield & armor tanking against the DD being fired at them, they should be able to survive multiple DDs. It’s all about pilot skill.

        Scorps can deal with drone blob in two ways:
        (1) Smartbombs
        (2) The ECM themselves directly disables the sentries.

        Try spinning moar pls lol.

        December 17, 2013 at 03:55 Reply
        1. duhp

          why the hell do you think nobody has ever used scorps this way? I can’t wait for the day that someone tries it outside of sisi. lol dumbass.

          December 17, 2013 at 05:51 Reply
          1. DrkyDrky

            Pretty much every other ship is faster than the Scorp. Unfortunately for slow-cat lovers, Archons are not one of them. While this strategy is doomed to fail against other faster shiptypes, Spider-tanking sentry carriers are perfect targets. Even with SB Archons in close vicinity, properly fitted Scorps can sustain the tank for a very long time. Also remember that SB Archons can’t focus on killing Scorps while simultaneously defending themselves against CR dreads.

            Judging by the response that this is getting, I can tell that some people are very nervous. Even purely stupid fittings don’t get half the response.

            Yeah I can’t wait for this setup to be used outside SiSi, it sure is gonna wipe the smirk off many people’s faces.

            Less talk more action guys. Let the cats speak for themselves: Slowcats vs. Lamecats.

            If CFC/RUS/BL are serious about countering Slowcats, we should at least see something like this in next few weeks.

            December 17, 2013 at 07:37
          2. lulz

            LMFAO…. Please do this, it will be the biggest joke in eve for the next year!

            December 17, 2013 at 09:06
          3. bR

            You truly are a mindless f**k head. So the reason supers weren’t dropped on the dreads is because they were out of rep range of the slowcats. Drop CR Dreads on a slowcat blob. I f**king dare you.

            December 17, 2013 at 16:24
        2. EMP Grunt

          Thank god carriers don’t have a massive drone bay or anything…..And two can play the smartbomb game. Guess what happens first? The Scorps die or the carriers run out of drones.

          December 17, 2013 at 05:52 Reply
        3. Scott L

          Ever tried to refit in 10% tidi?

          I thought not……

          December 17, 2013 at 06:21 Reply
        4. Robo

          If LR Nags fitted dual tanks.

          1. They would hit like shit at slows, doing a worthless job.
          2. Still likely get killed by 1 DD but as was shown in the fight most dreads had 2x titans DD them.

          You could argue that dreads would need to refit when targeted, realistically unlikely to happen in 10% tidi so GG to that.

          December 18, 2013 at 18:11 Reply
    3. That was stupid

      Your Scorp idea is beyond stupid unless you’re objective is to make scorps the next welp fleet, just saying. I mean I would love to see them do it, but they won’t, as it’s stupid, and they are not that stupid.

      But short range dreads are the way to go without question, let CFC welp a few long range fleets, they will see how stupid they are soon enough. Realistically they should be able to get more people into dreads then N3, they told there members to get into them months ago, they just have to have the balls to use them. Assuming there isn’t some high level RMTing going on, which I honestly don’t think there is, then Goons should be able to go to head to head in a cap fight, and even losing make N3 not drop caps all over the place like they do. If CFC are not willing to drop dreads because they don’t want to SRP a large amount of dreads, then N3 will keep using them unchecked.

      Long range dreads is coward fit, that lets them drop with overwhelming subcap support so they don’t actually have to risk very much, the problem is they are still in DD range, and unless CFC are willing to drop their own supers then what we saw, is what we will get every time, perhaps next time they will drop 400 long range dreads, but the outcome will be the same. They have to drop so many SR dreads that N3 loses tons of supers when/if they counter drop, which again they should be able to do.

      Think about it for a sec…. how many supers, or titans could you kill if you dropped 300+ SR dreads on their slowcats, and they actually counter dropped them, they would ether lose the slowcat fleet, or lose alot of supers/titans…..even if NC welped they 300 dreads, in that kind of brawl they are bound to lose a lot, and it would be a huge blow to their power. Whats funny is people in PL/NC/Radiendot were saying this back when Radiendot were in Tenal, and they were dropping titans around all willy nilly. CFC leadership at that time just told everyone to get into perma-MWD drakes with larger then BS sig’s for those titans to shoot at.

      December 17, 2013 at 05:04 Reply
      1. DrkyDrky

        And of course, there are pilots who never wants to see a real counter being used against an unbeatable tactic that they are currently using.

        Gewns/RUS/BL are always free to test this tactic on SiSi if they’re too uncertain.

        Let the results do the talking, not some spoiled slowcat pilot.

        December 17, 2013 at 05:40 Reply
      2. Makalu

        there is a lot of ifs and maybes here…started from 400 dreads and supers and ending with pilot skill and cfc in the same sentence. If they had skill they wouldn’t be and aren’t in cfc.

        100 close range dreads managed to kill 1 titan, who was capped out and didn’t have hardeners running when he died in the time that 70 got wiped out and the rest ran away. This was late night when no one was ready. I’d like to see 300 dreads drop on 200 supers…I think the outcome is fairly apparent. Undoubably a few supers will die, however, the vast majority of those dreads will never leave the field.
        Lets compare how easy it is to replace say…10 supers vs 250 dreads, i’ll let you decide which one of those is easier and quicker.

        last night was nowhere near an all-in by the n3 and it certainly seemed like an “all-in” by the cfc and rus apart from supers, which they logged in. They bluffed, we called it, surely they will do it again. I for one welcome the day they actually use them…unfortunately the server will probably just eat shit.

        December 17, 2013 at 06:14 Reply
        1. Florist going down

          Utter trash CFC all in you sir don’t know jack shit

          December 17, 2013 at 12:55 Reply
          1. lol

            Neither do you apparantly.

            December 18, 2013 at 18:47
      3. Titshit

        its not about range , its about alpha damage.

        December 17, 2013 at 08:15 Reply
        1. That was stupid

          Is that why a large portion of the naglfar’s died with depleted uranium in their guns? The naglfar’s were outside of the range where the higher DPS ammo made sense… tell us more about how it’s not about engaging at range.

          December 17, 2013 at 08:37 Reply
          1. Titshit

            Lol idiot. Go back to WoW

            December 17, 2013 at 11:21
          2. BlueVelve

            Clearly you have won the argument when you tell them to go back to a game they perhaps have never even played.

            December 17, 2013 at 19:15
        2. Not really Titshit

          No the point of the fleet is range, to stay at ranges far enough from
          the slowcats that supers can’t be dropped on dreads(because they would
          be outside of rep range of slowcats), if you didn’t know that then you
          are truly stupid….. why do you think supers didn’t drop?

          Like the other guy said, this fleet won’t work simply because
          titans can still DD at that range, and I know for a fact a ton of
          un-subbed titan accounts just got re-subbed since this fight.

          Was like 40ish titans, took out what 15ish dreads in one DD cycle(not that impressive, I was somewhat surprised at how few died), that means realistically the dreads would have to kill 20ish slows in the time it takes to cycle DD just to break around even isk wise. This of course assumes we don’t have more titans subbed by next fight.

          December 17, 2013 at 08:58 Reply
          1. lulz

            They managed to like 30 slowcats over like six hours, so like three and a half DD cycles so we could have killed 45 dreads in that time.

            December 17, 2013 at 09:14
          2. Spaz

            Aren’t dreads insurable though? Doesn’t that temper SRP losses to a minumum?

            December 18, 2013 at 01:38
          3. lulz

            lol…

            Are you imp[lying that carriers are not insurable?

            December 18, 2013 at 07:20
          4. Titshit

            TLDR’ after the first part because of ignorance.
            Stop searching for reasons why this would not work.

            The idea is alpha damage . To volley trough slow cat reps. You should have read the CEO Update retard.

            December 17, 2013 at 11:20
          5. Marcus

            Yeah, he’s right, you are an idiot if you think the fit is for anything other then to stay out of range. Someone may have told you otherwise, and you may have bought that, but if you used you’re head, and thought rationally for a moment, then you wouldn’t look so stupid.

            December 17, 2013 at 18:26
  46. Just watchin

    What they should do is have a fuck you fleet to dampen the slowcats then cyno in a fleet of smart bombing carriers right in the center of the slowcat blob.

    December 17, 2013 at 06:01 Reply
    1. DrkyDrky

      Just curious, what’s the point of FYF to dampen the Slowcats in this case?

      Don’t see the point of dampening if all you want to do is to knock off nme sentries using SBs =]

      December 17, 2013 at 08:02 Reply
      1. fyf

        prevent carriers from repping

        December 17, 2013 at 11:41 Reply
    2. Nulli duder

      The 150-200 N3 CR dreads on standby would have absolutely adored this to happen.

      December 17, 2013 at 12:19 Reply
      1. Bobby

        Yes we’ve seen the 200 cr dreads or is it 200 moms or 200 frigs, I too can throw out random numbers and make intimidating statements.
        I have 300 tits lurking with 500 moms and 700 carriers with 1000 support just waiting…. We want a big blue donut dont you see.

        December 18, 2013 at 01:53 Reply
        1. Chris

          Just because you were never told they were there, doesn’t mean they weren’t there.

          December 18, 2013 at 17:21 Reply
    3. I was There 2

      so the 200 cfc celestis played no part in that fight?, im sure they WERE dampening the fuck out of those carriers, but when you have a drone buddy it dont matter how many u dampen.

      December 17, 2013 at 13:32 Reply
  47. bigbonedbobby

    so this is the endgame then in eve crash the node,really great game if you ask me.
    what is the point really?
    fix your game ccp.

    December 17, 2013 at 09:40 Reply
    1. Jay

      The point is EVE is a bottomless money pitt, you will continue dumping your time and money into a game dreaming of something that can’t and will never happen because CCP fucks over the little guy every time. Do whats best destroy all your assets, give you isk to a new character on your account and biomass it. Get you life back and find joy in something that isn’t a waste of your time.

      December 17, 2013 at 13:39 Reply
      1. Chris

        Then why are you reading this article.

        What one views as a waste of time, another person views as a good and enjoyable use of time. Are you so arrogant to think that your opinion of what is a good use of time is truth?

        December 17, 2013 at 16:03 Reply
    2. Alex

      You still don’t understand, if you are in a 0.0 alliance, you are in a lowest food chain. First goes – Alliance leaders, who give a fuk on you, then their shitlords who manage your hordes and make sure you happy, then YOU, who obey their masters. Want have fun? Join Low sec corps – be independent pvper, be free – my advice from an old timer.

      December 17, 2013 at 14:50 Reply
  48. Bitter Noob

    Russians still don’t understand what major part they play in this conflict.
    If they’re smart they should drop CFC (at the opportune moment) and join PL/N3 and continue pushing.
    N3/PL have proven that CFC can be beaten and if the Russians do the right thing now they have the chance to take more sov and regrow their empire.
    Cause if they stay with CFC they’re just gonna slave away in the renter pits for a long time (or at least until “someone” decides he don’t want no Russkies in Null no more. )

    December 17, 2013 at 10:22 Reply
    1. Russians parade

      The russians are already in the process of joining N3. They’re just waiting for SRP … I shit you not.

      December 17, 2013 at 10:25 Reply
      1. Bitter Noob

        Hell if they do that it’s gonna be fucking glorious!
        I believe the only thing stopping them tho is their mistrust of N3/PL. But you know, the enemy of my enemy and the end justifies the means and all that…

        December 17, 2013 at 10:46 Reply
        1. Russian parade

          With N3 they have a choice. They blue N3 for the campaign and help CFC die in a fire, gain space and be able to enjoy the game as they used to. Drop the blue status and shoot each other for shits and giggles …

          With CFC there is no choice. They will bow down and kiss the ring for as long as they will be told to do that. They will be enforced and restricted … They shall not enjoy the game as they once did flying under CFC.

          December 17, 2013 at 11:55 Reply
          1. dichzor

            Lies. n3 will backstab, and so will goons.. and so will DD… PLN3
            leadership is far worse in term of their ally treatment then goons can
            ever aspire to be. In fact, can you name a single alliance, that got
            “help” from PL and lived afterwards, without becoming their subordinates/feeding alliance, like NC. did?

            Your “choice” is nothing like a choice. Its wishful thinking. And im enjoying the current situation, to be honest. Daily multi-hour CTAs, rivers of tears on forums… PL crying in local… traffic in Catch is back to pre-eviction levels.. plenty of renters around.. Ahh. The CFC’s juuuust fine.

            Also, arent all Russki’s evil and bad and RMT and cowards, and wont undock and afraid of everything and unchill and “FUCK RUSSIA” and so on.
            Why would you want someone whom you and your leadership despises?

            Oh yes, you want your masters to win, desperately. Desperation is a bad ally. So is N3.

            December 17, 2013 at 12:54
          2. Russian parade

            I can name a few alliances. Seems you can’t but hey ho that’s how ignorance pays off for dudes like me. So continue living the dream right there.

            And this wishful thinking you speak of? It IS actually happening … Your intel sucks major donkey balls, lol. Find comfort in your own pool of ignorance if you will. Like I said … It pays off for dudes like me!

            December 17, 2013 at 14:05
          3. I could be wrong but...

            Didnt Goons screw TCF after they were given space back in the days of the old Northern Coalition?

            December 17, 2013 at 17:13
          4. CBJL

            TCF were in the process of disbanding, and decided to help out their allies once more by giving the then homeless Goonswarm a new home, Deklein. For quite a few weeks, the goons were complaining that most NC were still shooting at them and begged to be blue.

            December 18, 2013 at 11:21
          5. Lionel Joeseph

            Then tell your boys in DD to stop messaging me about “how they hate goons” “I can’t believe I’m blue with Goons” and “I’d rather be shooting Goons”

            December 17, 2013 at 19:42
          6. dichzor

            But.. but.. i’d rather be shooting goons as well. But theyre blue now, so probably not a good idea , lol

            December 18, 2013 at 10:15
          7. Robo

            Point being conflict drives eve.
            Option 1.
            The difference is do you side with CFC and give your selves no chance after the war of vein anything but a cfc punch bag/next target.
            Or do you side with N3/PL and work you way up from the west killing FA/LI3 greatly benifiting yourselves in the process, in the knowledge that cfc cannot as is factually proven defend or aggress multiple fronts. This would be short term scenario of this happening.

            Option 2.
            If taking it a step further and N3/PL were to defend successfully all their sov from CFC then being the fact that CfC is every one mortal enemy.
            When their is a chance as was the case in fountain N3/PL would take that chance to massacre cfc once an for all. Rus could carry on working through the west to the north gaining far more than was believed possible at the start of this war. This will be content for a long drawn out process of cfc either trying to defend multiple front wich they lonely cannot do, or making a stand on 1 of the fronts.

            Option 2 is logical, however a lot of decisions Rus make are far from logical, so who knows.

            December 18, 2013 at 18:00
      2. Bitter Noob

        But the “mactep” plan seems to be working so far xD

        December 17, 2013 at 10:49 Reply
      3. richard thomson

        I am NC wouldn’t trust a russian as far as I could throw them

        The best the russians can hope for is for an agreement that the russian will withdraw for the war and let n3pl and goons duke it out. Because it going to be bad for the russian either way. If N3PL win than they will finish off the russians, if they lose then sure the russian will get their space but as soon as the goons leave N3 will pick a new target and I would put my money on solar being the first target then, DD then -a-. And within a few months we will be back in the same position again

        December 17, 2013 at 23:42 Reply
        1. Ruski luv u long time

          You dig it or you don’t. You’re free to drop roles and leave now. Don’t forget to hand us all your stuff while you do so.

          December 18, 2013 at 08:12 Reply
      4. Robo

        With the likes of Solar & BL not worth any of N3/PLs time, would not have those back stabbing band wagon jumpers.
        Could see us working with the old Gypsey Band guys, however if Rus where to dump goon tards.

        It’s so easy to see the benefits to this.
        1. As this war so far has proven cfc cannot defend them selves on multiple front or aggress on multiple fronts, meaning Rus could move west at will killing slaughtering and massacring FA/LI3 just for starters.
        2. This would get Rus space they want, give them far better income.
        3. Remembrance that a good goon is a dead goon, and however much propaganda has portrayed the poor manipulated Rus to hate N3/PL, the fact remains CFC are every free souls mortal enemy.

        So even though I see it a far sight that N3/PL would work with Rus, Rus going west would benifit them as well as leave N3/PL to contain the filth that is cfc in the east.

        God Wills It.

        December 18, 2013 at 17:50 Reply
    2. Kamar Raimo

      Heh, that would be like the Red Wedding in EVE. It would be pretty glorious and sure to go down in EVE history.

      December 17, 2013 at 10:54 Reply
      1. Bitter Noob

        Heh, with all this chaos all over CFC, somebody somewhere is surely gonna do something stupid *wink *wink *nudge *nudge

        December 17, 2013 at 10:59 Reply
      2. Bitter Noob

        Also “Red” Wedding – I see what you did there 😉

        December 17, 2013 at 11:00 Reply
        1. Kamar Raimo

          😉

          December 17, 2013 at 11:51 Reply
    3. Nullsec Grunt

      What you fail to remember is that the CFC joined the fight as an honourable third party the fight was originally the Russians fight. Things have now escalated and the honourable third party part is gone, CFC are going all in to help the Russians. I doubt the CFC will take/hold any sov in the area as its too far away from thier corner of space and across enemy territory to get there for defence.

      December 17, 2013 at 21:39 Reply
      1. LuvAGoon

        CFC are not doing anything to help anyone but themselves and by them selves I mean Goon leadership. End of Story.

        December 18, 2013 at 00:10 Reply
      2. Chris

        As an “honourable third party,” I can’t recall the last time they went after anyone but N3. And honestly, I don’t think anybody truly expected anything different that what happened.

        In a third party, you don’t give a shit who you shoot. But if you target a certain group time after time, it begs the question of whether or not you’re actually an “honourable third party”

        December 18, 2013 at 04:47 Reply
      3. Robo

        You’ve been done by mittens propaganda, a clear example of stupidity are those who are manipulated to believe contradictory statements by mittens.
        3rd party you shoot every one, cfc where never 3rd parties in this war, but some people will never stop being dumb, so life goes on.

        December 18, 2013 at 17:11 Reply
        1. Shutit

          See what they’re doing there Robo, they are doing what their boss told them too and mentioning that they are honourable 3rd parties. Like little brain washed glue sniffing monkeys. Just FYI you broken record retards. We where always solid on team TEST. And now you face the 300 Spartans, see what I did there. Anyway I think I heard mittens tell you to go jump off a bridge, so you know, get to it.

          December 18, 2013 at 20:18 Reply
      4. yoyoyoyoeastsidewestside

        I really hope you’re a nobody IRL, because if a person that dumb holds a important post somewhere and is so easily brainwashed by some dumb propaganda the world is even in worse shape then I thought.

        December 20, 2013 at 20:06 Reply
  49. trololo

    Hey CFC. How does it feel … You know, without lube? PRETTY DAMN HARD HUH?

    December 17, 2013 at 10:24 Reply
    1. Ciaphas Cyne

      show me on the archon where the bad goon touched you.

      December 17, 2013 at 20:26 Reply
      1. trololo

        So tell me how you really feel without that lube? HMM?

        December 18, 2013 at 08:08 Reply
        1. Ciaphas Cyne

          look at my corp history dummy…

          its just a game, stop acting like nerd with pixels are “bad guys”

          December 18, 2013 at 11:19 Reply
  50. hmm

    did anyone miss that titan’s are the new cap killers like err a few expansions ago. Perhaps CFC should dust of theirs and actually use them.. Or is that just too simple?

    December 17, 2013 at 11:52 Reply

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