The “Halloween War” began when AAA, Solar, Black Legion, Darkness and others joined into the third largest coalition. This was a move surprising to most although it seemed like the most logical conclusion to others. This prompted N3 to strike at AAA’s staging system of GE- and off kicked the “Halloween War.” Its been over a month now and the lines on the map have not moved much. There have been some notable kills including a PL Titan, 70 or so BL dreads and various capitals and super capitals from both sides. GENTS did an impressive job of splitting up N3’s forces by invading from the north but their progress has been reversed in equal measure by Insidious Empire’s fleets. A notable gain perhaps was the loss of an N3 bridge although the defenders claim that the relevance is over stated by the opposition. Naturally both sides will either tout the trade of the system as either a major victory or an irrelevant side event.

Rather than make an article recalling the events that have already taken place, of which we have many fine examples on various Eve media sites, I prefer as usual to take into consideration what those events may or may not lead to. One thing that I have found impressive was the resilience of N3. Many people assumed they would fold like a deck of cards up against the combined forces of “DTF” and the CFC. In truth they seem to have been quite a bit more organized than expected. Although they certainly have more mileage than the new “DTF” Coalition, it seemed as if the CFC would push them over the edge easily enough.

So far that doesn’t seem to be the case. I don’t have a horse in the race but I certainly want to keep this war going for as long as possible. Peaceful Eve is boring and gives me little to do and even less to write about. I get the impression that N3 has a very big club which it has to time well to hit its mark. If not, DTF can easily parry and overwhelm N3. That club is of course the massive super cap fleet that N3 has. Between NCdot and PL we have one of the largest, if not the largest super fleet in game. While we may assume that the resources the CFC has compounded has allowed them to build up their own sizable cap fleet, they certainly lack the experience N3 has. DTF has their own large super cap fleet as well, but for one reason or another their effectiveness just doesn’t seem to ever get to the level of N3. Sun Tzu may have said that all war is deception, but a very big part of it is logistics as well. N3’s resources are an over whelming advantage for them vs “DTF” Coalition.

So what can we expect for the rest of this war? Well we may want to consider the most important development in recent memory of the war: Legion of Death joining N3 and tossing to the wind their ambiguous relationship with the CFC. We can expect their holdings in Geminate to be the focus of GENT’s resources very soon. It certainly wouldn’t be surprising. It certainly doesn’t hurt to have an extra 1500+ pilots on your side. The CFC’s presence has kept an air of fear over the battlefield ensuring N3 doesn’t escalate completely in any of the battles but if that is enough to give “DTF” the winning advantage is debatable. N3 simply needs to hold onto what it already has. Any gains are a plus. N3 also has a large propaganda advantage. The narrative of “fighting the evil Goons and their pets” holds the attention more than what any of the other sides can feed their pilots from “honorable third party” mantra to “take back our Drone regions.”

All N3 needs to do is simply stay alive and hold the line. With that they can claim “defeating the CFC and DTF.” A bit of a stretch but a potent propaganda piece nonetheless. My concern is that DTF’s “joints” are going to crumble in the conflict. It’s very improbable that at that point the CFC would escalate their commitment in the war. After all the whole point of being an “honorable third party” is that if your side losses, there’s no fault to you. Truthfully it would be a sad day of N3 lost all their sov. We’d then have Solar and other CFC friendly entities in the east as well as the south. It might be interesting for a while to see what N3 would do homeless. It isn’t as if you can build a great wall to keep them out of 0.0 forever. And it isn’t out of any idealism that I hold that opinion. N3, CFC, DTF, they’re really no better than one another. Those who hold themselves as morally superior, especially in a video game, are delusional. It’s just role playing.

Although the CFC will affect the course of this war, their influence is still dependent on what DTF and N3 do. A strong surge on the DTF side may see the CFC capitalizing on N3’s failures. Conversely, if N3 manages to sever DTF’s coalition through the added pressures of war, the CFC may not be interested in investing too much of their time and resources in the conflict. While some think “the point of this war is to see who wins” real strategists think “the point of this war is to see how the pieces of the next war will be set up.”

It is all together possible that a DTF/CFC victory would make 0.0 dull. As a student of history however, I can’t help but refer to the times when China was unified in the past. You still had the barbarians on the borders and human nature is so that there is always internal drama for this and that opponent to take advantage. I wouldn’t worry too much of the doom sayers. Big blue donut is a myth to scare the kids at night. As long as Eve is played by humans, we’ll have conflict.

– Seraph IX Basarab


  1. mercfromabove

    Keeping N3 tied to SOV is a better idea than letting the leash go and letting the dog run wild around the yard.. Who wants a bigger PL really? No one in eve could undock a capital without being nervous..
    It’s like Russians are poking a dog with rabies while loosening the chain saying ‘I WONDER WHAT THIS WILL DO HURR DURR’

    December 8, 2013 at 14:58 Reply
    1. CowardiceH8er

      Spoken like a true coward. Can’t be afraid to drop caps or all your cap pilots will eventually leave to people who use them (PL, N3).

      December 8, 2013 at 15:12 Reply
      1. mercfromabove

        Thats exactly what i said. +1 for reading skills

        December 8, 2013 at 15:18 Reply
        1. Bring the Pain

          Guests always know better… You should know that!

          December 9, 2013 at 19:06 Reply
      2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        Dumbass, he is in N3! I see him in comms all the time.

        December 8, 2013 at 20:47 Reply
    2. GFY


      December 8, 2013 at 15:38 Reply
  2. Northern Vet

    Got my 3rd Nyx today fresh out of the oven, now I have 3 separate accounts all with a Nyx on. I look forward to using all 3 of them against some crazy Russians (or whelping them). If only you invested in supers like we do CFC who knows how big your super fleet could be

    Anyways please carry on the war I can honestly say I haven’t had this much fun in Eve where there’s so much pvp content within such a small radius since GBC vs RSF days and Delve (and that was a long time ago)

    December 8, 2013 at 15:43 Reply
  3. Mohamad's Comment

    I think Russians are re-thinking this war all over again … they know if they need to win.. they would need a renting empire like everyone do .. Seeing delve unprotected in their back yard… we might see a crazy turnover against cfc with N3 taking northern Renters and Russians taking the southern renters to them giving them a big free pile of isk

    December 8, 2013 at 15:45 Reply
    1. N3 WarHQ

      I do not understand why Stainrus didn’t go after Period Basis and Delve instead. Would be perfect for getting good isk from renting. Instead they are draining them self on a war they can’t win.

      December 8, 2013 at 23:52 Reply
      1. Seraph IX Basarab

        Personal feelings often get in the way of a logical plan.

        December 9, 2013 at 06:23 Reply
    2. Ex-Eve vet

      I agree with you on this. And this is something that amazes me very much about the russians. They do not seem to realize how easy it could be for them to become the mighty power they once were. They need to ask themselves this simple question: “What road should we take to easily get back to greatness?” What direction should the russians consider expanding their territories to become the power they once were in EVE? That direction is obviously not east….but west.

      December 9, 2013 at 13:16 Reply
  4. Alison King

    I think that once n3 has been crushed , CFC will go after the Russians, the Russians weary from war will fold and the big blue donuts will belong to the CFC

    December 8, 2013 at 16:41 Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      And then N3 and Russians will have no one else to fight but them.

      December 8, 2013 at 23:34 Reply
  5. PL2013

    What will happen in this war: -A- and entities like Darkness will continue to lose numbers in fleets as they are incapable of fully reimbursing losses and become burned out. There are logs backing both of these up. As these numbers go down CFC will eventually pack up and head home as they don’t want to fight someone else’s war for them. N3 destroys -A-, probably leaves Stain entities alone.

    December 8, 2013 at 17:53 Reply
    1. JIeoH Mocc

      What a familiar tune this is… oh wait, look at the map and tell us where the HBC has gone?

      December 9, 2013 at 06:04 Reply
  6. DrkyDrky

    N3PL’s greatest strength is their massive capital fleet, but at the same time, it is their greatest weakness.

    All DTF/CFC has to do is to make a one huge blow against N3/PL’s fleet in one battle to win the war. I’m pretty sure N3/PL knows this, so I bet they are being very cautious to deploy them on time period when it is prime time zone for US (late morning) & RUS (early night).

    It’s most likely true that the combined Super & Capital fleet of CFC & DTF would probably outnumber N3/PL’s by ratio of at least 1.5 : 1. But they lack experience due to their lack of deployment. However, if CFC & DTF creates an effective unified command for their capital and get practice done on SiSi, then N3/PL’s capital supremacy can easily be challenged.

    Dropping small quantities of dreads (50-70) each time will only make N3PL happy. If one wishes to challenge N3/PL’s capital supremacy, one needs to drop at least 300 dreadnoughts along with every super/capital ship avaliable.

    In short quick battles, Titans have the advantage over dreads, but over long hour battles, each dreads have similar dps to Titans. Simply put that in battles, Titans are dreads that can instantly dish out 10 minutes worth of damage. Thus, In short quick battles, titans have the advantage, but over long drawn out battles, that advantage is negated.

    December 8, 2013 at 18:11 Reply
    1. Scott L

      Unfortunately, the Solar/BL meatshield has not done it’s job.
      CFC’s intent was to have BL/Solar and the other pets whittle down the N3 super fleet to a manageable size, so that the CFC could come in and win a Super fight easily.
      Since that hasn’t happened, and since BL’s Super welp, none of them will risk losing their Super fleet.
      Fight’s pretty much over, Goons seem to be afraid to commit any significant assets to the fight, and prefer to spend hours grinding structures in bombers, to avoid any embarrassing losses.

      December 8, 2013 at 18:22 Reply
      1. Ciaphas Cyne

        moral management is a skill too. mittens is good at it

        December 8, 2013 at 20:46 Reply
        1. really?

          Because it boosts your moral to grind for hours in your bomber while getting slapped and owned by random shit only to have all that work reset in 5 min… They are beating a dead horse in a dead end ally, just they have drank too much mitten cool aid to see that. They will soon.

          December 11, 2013 at 05:06 Reply
    2. Pilious

      The CFC has never used their supers for anything other then bridging and unopposed structure grinds. The likelihood they will ever risk their supers in a fight are limited at best and I still do not believe 300 dreads can take on 100 super carriers and 50 titans with the supporting 200 slowcats.

      December 8, 2013 at 18:34 Reply
    3. Idiot

      You’re an idiot. DTF has very few supers in comparison to either other coalitions. Most of the supercaps -A- had they lost when BOPE and BUSA and MVN left. BL’s super fleet got destroyed by PL. Darkness might have some but they are a relatively poor alliance with no major income source. Solar has quite a few. The CFC has quite a few. On top of this I don’t think you realize just how many supers PL and NC. have.

      Realistically, N3 has a supercapital advantage by I’d say around 50 or so supers.

      December 8, 2013 at 18:53 Reply
    4. N3 WarHQ

      Yeah let’s train on SiSi that’s gonna help you..right.. πŸ™‚ poor little cfc monkey

      CFC has never been any good at using capitals and even worse at super capitals. It’s N3 and PL’s wet dream that CFC would be that stupid to take their super capitals in range of us to burn them down. Pls do this πŸ™‚

      Then we have RUS RUS that isn’t much better but at least has some experience in using their supers and are smart enough not to bring it to the fights with N3. They have never been any good at getting their members to risk them as they will not get anything back in case they lose them.

      It’s only a matter of time before DTF falls apart and CFC goes back home and we start grinding down Stainrus space and send them back to Stain.. unless they strike some kind of deal with N3 and get to keep some of their space.

      December 8, 2013 at 18:59 Reply
    5. droljica

      “DTF/CFC has to do is to make a one huge blow against N3/PL’s fleet in one battle to win the war”

      Great idea, tell me when goontards & co, are ready to drop 300 dreads…

      December 8, 2013 at 19:16 Reply
    6. -_-

      actually N3/PL could probably take 1-2 massive losses before folding, but it would be nearly impossible, if things escalated to that point the node would crash.

      December 8, 2013 at 20:50 Reply
  7. flatterpillo

    Here is what is most likely to happen in my opinion: AAA will internally collapse, N3 takes over Catch. Stainwagon evacs to Stain and continues to harass N3. CFC will pull out of the war claiming gf’s were had and they are happy with this. Black legion and Solar will withdraw due to being unable to match N3’s numbers on their own. BL/Solar will wait for CFC to attack N3 in the future and will aid CFC in that. N3 could either grind down stainwagon’s sov or allows them to keep it but in exchange they help them when CFC attacks them in the future.
    Just my opinion on how things will go down πŸ™‚

    December 8, 2013 at 19:12 Reply
    1. N3 WarHQ

      This will likely happen

      December 8, 2013 at 19:16 Reply
    2. RBW

      Your assessment is pretty spot on until the end. I don’t think stainwagon will join N3 just to keep sov. once a CFC vs N3 war starts they will and can join whatever side they want.

      December 9, 2013 at 02:26 Reply
    3. Garandras

      I had a good laugh at this..
      Not a chance in hell of this happening

      December 9, 2013 at 02:33 Reply
  8. Cool

    You left out the hidden battle for the renters, if this war causes N3 to lose their renters then they will lose their income with which to fight the war.

    December 8, 2013 at 20:25 Reply
    1. Northern Vet

      They wont loose them 80% of N3’s renters have been exclusively based in the drone regions for years and years they wont move anywhere else, they will just pay the new landlord if we ever loose that space.

      And if the war ends some of the renters who left will probably come flooding back as drone regions is like the safest space in Eve its literally a ghost town where literally no one will roam to unless you are truly hardcore

      December 8, 2013 at 20:28 Reply
      1. Robo

        Plus N3 have been good to rent from in comparison to other alliances/coalitions.

        December 8, 2013 at 21:20 Reply
        1. Blu

          What a lie. Calling them “3rd class” is nice?

          December 9, 2013 at 05:56 Reply
  9. Ciaphas Cyne

    “I don’t have a horse in the race but I certainly want to keep this war going for as long as possible.”

    followed by….

    “Between NCdot and PL we have one of the largest, if not the largest super fleet in game.”


    whos we? i thought you were an unbiased honorable third party observer hahaha

    December 8, 2013 at 20:40 Reply
    1. -_-

      good catch

      December 8, 2013 at 21:10 Reply
      1. Seraph IX Basarab

        “We” as in the observers. “We have team X doing this” and “we have team Y doing this.” I think you are miscomprehending.

        December 8, 2013 at 23:33 Reply
        1. -_-

          It was not a misconception although it could have been a typo on your part. “We” implies a group people or entities that number at least two of which you are one.

          “Between NCdot and PL we observers have one of the largest, if not the largest super fleet in game.” just does not make sense. Allow us to agree to disagree I believe you slipped up, but no hard feelings im rooting for your “we” regardless in this conflict, if it was a typo it was small enough I missed it until Ciaphas pointed it out anyway, happens to the best of us.

          December 9, 2013 at 00:03 Reply
          1. person

            So, he the writer, you the reader and any other reader, neutral or otherwise don’t contribute to a group of two or more? Accept it, you’re wrong.

            December 9, 2013 at 02:53
          2. -_-

            I am writing a paper you are my reader, I cannot say we wrote the paper.
            I can donate a billion isk to BL and contribute yet unless im in BL or in an alliance that is aligned with them I cannot say we lost 100 dreads today.
            I would need to be a part of the group.
            “Between NCdot and PL we have one of the largest, if not the largest super fleet in game.”
            The slip up of “we” in the above sentence implies OP is aligned towards Pandemic dot, and likely IN one or the other.
            I don’t mean to grammar Nazi but this is basic English.

            December 9, 2013 at 04:01
          3. person

            “We” the observers…

            I really can’t be arsed to discuss it further, if you want to intentionally read too much into something with a paranoid perspective that’s your choice.

            December 9, 2013 at 04:17
          4. -_-

            please just think for a moment
            lets say im in BL
            I can say we lost dreads = yes
            I can swap “we” with “bl”
            then i can say bl lost dreads = yes
            I can say we have the largest fleet = yes
            I CAN NOT SAY between PL and NCDOT observer has the largest fleet.

            December 9, 2013 at 04:26
          5. anonymous

            Let me try to explain it to you. On one team we have Payton Manning and on the other team we have Eli Manning. On one side we have the subcapital heavy CFC forces and on the other side we have the supercapital heavy N3 forces. We implies we the observer.

            December 9, 2013 at 05:10
          6. -_-

            I see im not yet too big a man to admit I was wrong I did not see it that way.
            Thanks for that example thumbs up to you sir.

            December 9, 2013 at 06:07
          7. Seraph IX Basarab

            It’s no biggie. I always get accused by one side that I’m aiding their enemy somehow. I think people who have read even a handful of my articles soon realize I don’t side with any of them. The alliance i’m in is from w-space for example.

            December 9, 2013 at 06:24
          8. Ciaphas Cyne

            i wasnt “calling you out” so to speak. i just found it rather funny you omitted that very critical comma. so to be honest, its not our fault we “mis-comprehended” your writing lol

            December 9, 2013 at 07:03
          9. Seraph IX Basarab

            Some people understood it, some people didn’t. Doesn’t really matter.

            December 9, 2013 at 17:24
          10. Profesng

            Seraph it seems like it matter to you because you’ve been defending yourself pretty heavily.

            Anyway you made a pretty obvious mistake with that sentence. I understand what you were going for with the whole “we” thing but to slip into that kind of sentence structure requires a comma. Otherwise it doesn’t come off as intended. People may have “understood” you but that’s not really because you’ve written clearly. Brits tend to over use the familiar “we” so perhaps those English readers thought it was normal while those of us who are more formal about our language would never use that “we” form without the proper punctuation. Anyway this is all beneficial as it will hopefully make you a better writer and these N3 fans here better readers.

            After all, you are on EN 24 so I know we gotta lower our standards a bit, but please, next time, just give a proofread before you act all high and mighty eh?

            December 9, 2013 at 20:45
          11. Ciaphas Cyne

            the classic “its on en24 so it must suck” defense? kinda a low blow isnt it?

            December 10, 2013 at 03:19
          12. Seraph IX Basarab

            There’s nothing really to defend. Just explaining. I’m sorry a single comma has made you so upset.

            December 11, 2013 at 02:35
          13. Ciaphas Cyne

            hahaha didnt want that sentence anyway

            December 10, 2013 at 03:20
          14. Blu

            WE understand that YOU are an idiot sir.

            December 9, 2013 at 05:54
          15. -_-

            Fortunately humans are entitled to mistakes and they are only idiots when they repeat them.

            December 9, 2013 at 06:05
          16. Barkaway

            You can say: between pl and N3 we have the largest cap fleet in eve and between CFC and DTF we also have a large amount of caps.. i dont see your problem..

            December 9, 2013 at 14:27
    2. sadleric

      “We” as in the readers. The observers of the article.

      You need to read books more.

      December 9, 2013 at 02:29 Reply
      1. Ciaphas Cyne

        you are totally right! its my fault the author doesn’t know how to use commas πŸ™‚ if only i read more harry potter books….

        December 9, 2013 at 07:01 Reply
        1. Your Mum

          You’re terrible. Please go back to childcare or your nanny’s place.

          December 9, 2013 at 09:25 Reply
        2. Redeem_Incarce

          This coming from a dude that doesn’t know how to use capitals or apostrophes.

          December 9, 2013 at 16:08 Reply
    3. Tiago D'Agostini

      You must be challanged in text interpretation. “We”is a normal way to say that. I could say, between europe and US we have a large potential of economical resources for the recover of the crisis.

      Its a completely NORMAL way to refer to “the situation”. We is ” WE thre readers and writers, the everyone”.

      Now go read more texts and learn how people express before attacking people for how they write.

      December 9, 2013 at 10:48 Reply
  10. Catch me if you can

    I don’t get it, one second you say that you have no horses in this race, yet you refer to N3 as ‘we’. Then, you go on to say that a DTF/CFC victory would make 0.0 dull. I’m sure that 0.0 would be just as dull were N3 to win against DTF/CFC. Please don’t try and force propaganda down our throats, we get it enough from both this site and the ‘other news site’.

    December 9, 2013 at 01:40 Reply
    1. Redeem_Incarce

      I think the ‘we’ thing is a figure of speech. I read the ‘we’ as being the community, as this is continued throughout the article “We’d then have Solar and other CFC friendly entities in the east as well as the south” – I dont think the author means that he and the audience would literally own all the CFC in the east and south, escpecially as he is discussing the N3 losing.

      That said, I do think the author leans towards the N3, but that doesn’t mean he has anything to gain by it and that the piece is propaganda, its probably just an opinion, as generally, writing is written by humans.
      You can take off the tin foil hat now, if you like.

      December 9, 2013 at 16:05 Reply
  11. Tiago D'Agostini

    When he say he has no horse he means he cannot bet on the victory of any of them.

    Peopel shoudl stop complainign that others have their own sides. Impartiality never ever existed in the whole history of humanity, and will never exist.

    December 9, 2013 at 10:46 Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Maybe I have the American saying wrong but I mean both actually. Can’t say who would win and I don’t have a side i’m for.

      Just a sweet cloaky bomber from cloaking castlevania…

      December 9, 2013 at 17:19 Reply
      1. well

        You’re obviously on N3’s side, it’s not a shame but denying that is just a scoff at reader’s intelligence.

        December 9, 2013 at 21:10 Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          I like having as many entities in 0.0 as possible. If that means i’m pro N3, so be it. But do a little research to see what I have to say about N3 in my other articles.

          December 11, 2013 at 02:32 Reply
  12. Sold

    Oh, lord. Comparing rl history to Eve. This is not China. This is EVE! Eve is closer to the big blue donut than ever before. If neo-sainwagon wins over N3, Goons will come knocking and take over all the regions. N3 and Stainwagon are fools for fighting each other.

    December 10, 2013 at 20:05 Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Think about it though, you have a massive powerful coalition in N3…if you take their home what do you think they will go do? They’ll come cause trouble elsewhere in 0.0. You can’t kill N3 by taking their sov, same with the CFC, you kill them by killing their idea. You do that by making their line members lose faith in their leaders. Look how TEST ended up. It wasn’t until Montolio and the successors were discredited that it really crashed. Look at Atlas if you want to go further. Take the head and the rest will follow.

      December 11, 2013 at 02:32 Reply

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