Glimpse Of The Mits

I’ve never spoken to The Mittani online or in person and I doubt the guy has much of an idea I exit let alone who I am and what I do. That’s not to say he should, in all honesty as far as Eve goes I don’t consider myself much of a blip on the radar. I’ve analyzed different speeches from the Mittani in the past, and while I haven’t done so more recently, the latest address I found a bit more interesting. I usually get criticized by this and that goon for somehow offending fearless leader and spam my article message boxes with “where did the goons touch you” comments. Truth be told, every alliance grunt seems to do this when they think I question their mother’s virginity and in each case, I honestly don’t have a personal issue with any one of them.

For one reason or another people tend to separate “The Mittani” from “Alex Gianturco” because one is an in game persona and the other is a real person. Honestly I think that’s a load of garbage. You are who you are and you choose to act based on the results you get in whatever arena you find yourself in. I’m not saying that since someone suicide ganks people in Eve, they’re going to blow themselves up in a crowded coffee shop, because those two separate events do not have the same parameters. I believe this sort of thought process comes from the notion that there is no such thing as truth and that everything is relative when in actuality, Truth is Absolute, but it is perspective that is relative.

In any case I will refer to him as “Mittani” not because I separate one name from the other, but simply because I don’t care to become that intimate with an individual I only relate with on any concrete level via a video game. Even so this person is somewhat fascinating to me for the unique position and role he plays within Eve. I can’t imagine to really know Mittani although one can make the argument that few of us really even know ourselves.What I can do is attempt to make educated guesses based on my perspective and limits I have as an individual.

Without trying to sound too judgmental we can say that if he’s reading this, his first reaction would be one of ego. We can safely assume, that as the tyrant prince of the Goonswarm, he has a bit of an ego. To be a leader you sort of need a somewhat inflated ego in order to deal with the stress of being in charge. Even so he’s probably no worse than any of the other rulers of an 0.0 kingdom. The attitude, the arrogance, it all comes with the job. I always raise an eye brow of disbelief when people consider him any worse than anyone else in his position. How else does a space dictator act? Just like all the other ones. It’s a bit like how people always say Vlad the Impaler was such a harsh ruler for impaling his enemies. Well big whoop, other rulers would cut their enemies in four pieces, while others would bury them i dirt and have horses trample them to death. So in that sense, the Mittani isn’t anymore remarkable or unique than Vince Draken or Progod or MACTEP or any other individual that has a leadership role in a major alliance. They’re all going to be smug when they blow your things up and they’re all going to tread water and run the Damage Control when things don’t go their way.

Deal With It

What is remarkable and unique however is his ability to project his power. We can easily refer to the Mittani as “the most powerful individual in Eve” based upon the coalition he leads. Now truth be told he has his own team of individuals that run much of the day to day stuff from logistics to FCing to making policy. His hands on involvement, I can’t speak about only that what seems to be delegated is delegated fairly well. The CFC is by far the best well run machine in 0.0. The often criticized advantage of the CFC is that they have numbers but numbers mean nothing if you cannot organize. People that complain about wanting fair fights should play Dota or that other bad knock off I forgot the name of. Perhaps a nice hockey game would unerve the nerveful. The sooner you realize this and forget about complaining about “fair fites” the sooner you’ll evolve into something more useful in Eve.

The Update

If you haven’t read the Mittani’s latest GSF CEO Update: “Honourable Third Parties” go ahead. As a side note…don’t spell things like “honorable” or “color” as “honourable” and “colour” if you aren’t British…it just comes off as tacky…mate. I’ve analyzed previous articles by Mittani himself be they Alliance updates, or the general CFC propaganda but nothing has popped up on my radar in the last few months save for this previous article. I realize I am a few days late in doing so but hopefully the time allowed some things to digest. I’m basically writing this as I re-read the article paragraph by paragraph I’d recommend following along.

Right from the start I’m very surprised to see him address N3′s role in the Fountain War in such a way. “What they got to do to us” doesn’t seem to be so bad considering what they did was turn a completely lop sided slaughter of TEST Alliance, into a mostly entertaining war that maybe have gone either way of N3 actually committed and TEST wasn’t in political shambles. I also did not expect his consideration concerning the consequences of one’s role as a third party as being so trivial. No political consequences? Really? I’m going to chalk this up to perhaps a speedily written article because I refuse to believe “the spymaster” is that short sighted. There are plenty of political consequences. I mean I could sit here and list countless possibilities but we can just look at the consequences N3 is having to deal with ow for their role as a 3rd party. Their failure to prop TEST up in Fountain has lead to their primary enemy in controlling half of 0.0 and be pissed off at them that they want revenge.

Progod’s declaration that the N3 coalition’s entire reason to exist, to destroy the CFC was also brought up. Progod sadly gave the CFC even more motivation to hamper N3 which lead to a conversation between him and Vince that I can only imagine went something like this:

Progod: “Our whole existence is based on destroying the CFC! We all go in! Balls to the walls, all or nothing! We win or we die! Hurrah N3! VFK or bust!”

Vince: “Eh…dude can’t we just gank what we can and if our sov gets threatened, we just say we didn’t want it and that’s that?”

If anyone could provide a proper “dueling partner” for the CFC, it would be N3. Sadly, their miscoordinated leadership on the coalition level leads to Biden-esque mishaps such as this one. Again I don’t say this to rail against N3. I really do want them to become a legitimate alternative to the “CFC” sphere of influence. Conflict in Eve is good, but meaningful conflict will only happen when both entities can be an actual threat to the existence of the other. So far the relationship only seems to be going one way.

The other thing I really didn’t expect was the Mittani being surprised Solar, AAA and DD would ally together as well as with Black Legion.

“On Halloween, Solar Fleet and Black Legion made a surprising move: they allied formally with Darkness of Despair, -A-, and Stainwagon, RUS entities which they had previously been unfriendly towards.”

Really? It was surprising? It seemed like the most logical conclusion to me. Oh well, you can’t be right all the time, not even being a super spymaster. As for myself I’m going to go ahead and be a little smug in saying “I told you so.” Honestly as the leader of the CFC, if I did not see this as something that would happen itself, I would have surely taken great measures to ensure that it did. He concludes the portion with outlining how the CFC would again be the “honourable third party” and ensure N3 has no fun.

“I want nothing less than absolute cruelty and sadism on display. No honor, no fun for the foe, nothing but having their faces smashed in shit over and over and over again until they cry, beg, and plead for forgiveness for what they tried to do to us. We’re just here for fun and good fights, gentlemen; why are you upset?”

Well that escalated quickly. I really fail to see what exactly N3 did that was so taboo. I didn’t see their involvement helping TEST particularly effective. It really simply just has to go back to some hurt ego one way or another. N3 did talk a lot of smack early on when they were doing alright against the CFC.

What the CFC will do next

Their standing orders right now are to base out of Curse. Hey look at that, I got another one right. I’m either calling it or they’re using my terrible articles as their play book. The CFC are simply going to “torch” the N3 fields. When not in fleet to pew pew, they’ll be in fleet to grind. I expect the price of Red Bull to go up this month. Harpies, Domies, Drones, Dreads and Bombers are likely to follow.

Just at the end he makes mention of EMP as well. Now for those of you who don’t know, EMP (Insidious Empire) had recently drop kicked Razor out of Cobalt Edge and while the CFC “didn’t want that sov anyway” Mittani makes mention of their success in harassing them using black ops. I like EMP because they’re a newer face in 0.0 politics. Their leader, Phreeze, while never exchanging any words with, I like from some of his writing. Depending on how PL/EMP deal with the Mittani, we could see some excitement in the future in that area as well.

To conclude, I’d like to say to you Mister Mittani, that even though you have a huge bloated ego, you probably assume that you’re more effective than you are, you actually play the leadership role better than 95 percent of the major 0.0 leaders out there. Most importantly, you’re entertaining from your fanfest goofs, to your misplaced frustration, coloUrful speeches and general competent leadership.

Afterthoughts

I have a short story about my one of my more memorable interactions with Goons. It has nothing to do with the article above but it may prove entertaining to some. Back in December of 2012 when I was the Diplomat/Contract Coordinator for VENGA Inc, I had set up a small contract to harass Li3 Federation in Querious. On one of our nights we noticed a Tengu ratting on a gate. Now our fleet comp consisted of a Manticore, a Purifier, a Sabre and a Falcon. Catching it wouldn’t be a problem, but holding tackle would surely prove difficult. We had no logistics and even worse, we had no webs.

One of my scouts spotted a small Goon gang roaming in the area as well. They had a Sabre and a Falcon as well, so nothing much of interest. What they also had was a Daredevil with its boosted webs. I quickly messaged the group and told them our fleet comp. They wanted to fleet up and grab the Tengu. However to me I had only known Goons from their reputation as being scammers and disreputable individuals so I declined saying only that we could work together but not in the same fleet. They agreed and the chase was on.

We managed to catch the Tengu on an outgate as the Goon gang jumped in. We spread our Sabers on either side of the gate and kept the rest of the team on the Tengu. One of our Falcons continued jamming while the two bombers kept res scripted damps to work on conjunction with the ECM. The other Falcon would stay deaggressed so that it could jump through and keep the Sabre alive long enough for us to jump in and continue the fight.

I kept my guys at a distance both from the Goon fleet and the Tengu. I imagined that the moment it would pop, we’d be targeted by the Goons. Now the Tengu was somewhat difficult to jam as are most Caldari ships so quite a few times we had to warp out and warp back in. The major concern was of course to keep the Daredevil alive. Without those webs the Tengu could just burn away easily enough. Really we needed every individual ship that was there to accomplish the kill. The Tengu’s shield tank would slowly grind down only to be quickly boosted to max with its Gist X Type X Large Shield Booster.

This happened several times and the fight seemingly lasted forever. On occasion he would deaggress and jump through waiting out the invis timer and regain some of his cap. I was certain this alliance mates would soon show up to save him. To my delight, and I’m sure his displeasure, no one ever did show up and eventually his capacitor gave out and with it his shield tank.

[Killmail]

Looking at the killmail I notice I’m using T1 torps when I usually go Faction/T2. So for me it again gives me a sense of just how long the fight took. Now as soon as the Tengu popped I told everyone in my fleet to vanish. Yet in another strange turn of events one of the Goon pilots told me that he was leaving half of the loot in the wreck for us. Yeah right I thought. Obvious trap is obvious. Goons are all dishonest scammers. I told him that he could take it all. To my surprise I notice my wallet blinking. I open up the window and sure enough he had sent me half of the content’s value. I thanked him and split it up with my gang.

It just goes to show you that just because someone is part of a certain group or organization, that they do not necessarily always adhere to the stereo type that they are suppose to. Its things like that that keep me playing this game and continue to learn about the nature of people and what they do in this “awful game” that is Eve.

- Seraph IX Basarab

  • Duh

    Any conversations between Vince, Progod, Gorga, basically anyone in N3 leadership consists of: what does PL wanna do and what will PL support us in doing? Without PL N3 collapses, Nulli collapses, Ncdot collapses, the pets? lel. Thats why PL runs N3.

    • slo

      WHat delusional min state do you run in?

      • slo

        mind*

      • just drink the kool-aid

        The one you apparently have not come to grips with yet.

    • Fail…

      I love how all the other writers are talking about rubicon, ccp, and new game mechanics and this guy can only post things about being a CFC fanboy. I have no problem with the fact that you can only write about 1 perspective (Goons/CFC/Mitt [+] & PL/NC./N3 [-]). I have a problem that it is very monotonous. I like to support evenews24 because I like EVE and give 2 shits about Mittani.com.We get it, you’d suck Mitt’s dick if you had the chance OR you would gladly take a trophy if CFC “honoured” you at fanfest. Keep writing, but change it up a little….please?

      • Seraph IX Basarab

        I pointed out his positive and negative attributes. If you can only see half the story the problem is with you, not me.

      • NC.

        not only that but im fairly certain he is no cfc fan ya little puke haha stupid ass’s cant comprehend shit these days go back to school, never shoulda dropped out cause now your home everyday with no social life and rely on your mommy to pay for your eve subscription and feed you haha waste of a life

    • anonymous

      Without the CFC the Russians would be nowhere in this war.

      • Duh

        The Russian needs no one but his Bear and Balalaika and a sov war starts with no visible progress for many weeks until one side breaks hth

      • Sigh

        Russians would have been slaughtered ages ago without cfc intervention, with cfc full support N3 will do what they can to make both cowards pay in blood for every system as they have always done.

    • Allah Akbrah

      N3 were fine before PL came along. Thing is N3 need more numbers so why would they turn PL away.
      Pl running things no lol, only a dillussional or butt hurt person would say such a thing.
      Although leadership in N3 can be disjointed at times, they all come around eventually onto the same page, but there’s no dictatorship.
      That could be seen as an issue that there is no dictatorship. Gorga is like the head honcho, but don’t think people see him as much as we would like.
      Would be nice for him to pipe up and take a more open role.

  • Some Vet

    Lets face it they aint gonna win against 80% of 0.0, it looks like the CFC finally did ride into rescue the Russians.

    Personally I want see N3 give all of there renter sov to the CFC after they finally give up the fight, and just generally piss the Russians off when all of there rental space falls under CFC control. That I would love to see. Because the Mittani would never give it back not when all those renters are based there

    And it would serve them right for siding with the blob of the CFC, it would be the ultimate slap in the face for the Russians and especially Solar. Please make it happen and then everyone will be blue and we can all finally all live in peace and tranquility right?

    • Duh

      You realize Solar spent all last year being blobbed by N3/PL and if the CCF didnt involve in this conflict the new rusrus coalition would be hopelessly blobbed again by N3/PL- these guys will drop capitals on a BC fleet for cryin out loud. eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20551233 N3/PL are the cancer that is killing EVE.

      • Some Vet

        Its a god damn sov war everyone brings everything

        Hell the CFC do this shit in sov wars all the time only difference between N3 and CFC is when its not a Sov war CFC will still blob you with 3x the numbers or generally just not engage. Or they will hell camp you into a station so no one has any fun even when its not a sov war (ask BL they know this)

      • anonymous

        Really? If you could do the same you would. Want to know how I know that? You did it to us in Fountain after you switched sides.

      • anonymous

        As for being blobbed it is impossible for us to blob you in your timezone.

      • Replying 2a Dumbass

        Your just a clown, a pure and simple waste of time space and DNA.
        I’d explain the obvious flaws in your statement, but your just a clown that knows no different and won’t see any different. So why waste time saying more than a simple fact… Your retarded!

  • CCPLeSimple

    Nice km on that Tengu. Sadly that’s where you boys fail. EvE is for you just harrasment. CounterStrike is still online. There you can pick 5-6 buddies and quick kill someone, because the game itself does not presume more. And i laugh every damn time i see the “legitimate” 5 vs.1 fighters complaining about blobs, blue donuts or whatever. Mittani? Mittani wins. How he does it, and why he does win, that’s a completely different story. But the facts remain. The simple fact that more and more people prefer the Goon style of game simply makes a lot of “pro’s” irrelevant on long run. Because Goons win, and the “pro’s” don’t. And yeah, we also know all winners suck, except if it’s you. Also a fact remains that N3 did fight in Fountain as long they had hopes of a quick campaign, and some easy quick win-win. And this tells people a lot about N3. They missed again a quick easy victory? How sad. Or maybe they will stay and fight to the end. Time will tell.

    There’s a lot more to say. But why? Some guys should look into their own yard before talking about how good or bad others do it.

    • Impure

      Wow that’s a pretty snarky opinion did someone touch you in an impure manner. Just walk over and show us on the doll where you got touched.

    • Bah

      Your completely wrong about N3 they are usually always in a war with one or the other.
      They fight far more constantly throughout the year than any other bloc.
      They don’t go for quick easy wins, your retarded.
      Examples Dotbros war almost 4. On the of fighting cfc and solar bloc.
      Drones war, took bloody forever.
      Fountain war Test leadership couldn’t keep numbers in their fleets, too many bears were going back to ratting, or simply couldn’t carry on affording ships to fight with.
      N3 lead majority of their fleets along side N3 fleets supporting them.
      Then cfc spia dropped all sov. N3 in record time had to retake several regions, a feat no one has ever done before.
      This was the biggest issue of why test/N3 were not successful against cfc.
      Cfc expected a easy win as they will ONLY ever go for easy wins, then when N3 sided with test it made things interesting, cfc infact were getting pounded. So the sov drop distraction with Solar hitting up north was the damage cfc needed to break test before N3 in force could get back. By that time damage had been done, was too late, N3 carried on fighting Tests war greatly outnumbered by cfc, but test were not turning up in any decent numbers by then. Cannot expect N3 to fight tests battle for them.
      So people who say N3 let test down, N3 only fight easy fights, you are RETARDED, it’s quite the contrary.
      Bloody lemons these days

      • Bah

        iPhones a nightmare with predict text.
        Dotbros war was almost 4 months was what I meant to say*

  • Seraph IX Basarab

    tl;dr I don’t know any of the people involved. But I feel qualified to tell you all my opinions about them. And it take a while to do. I like PL and don’t like Goons.

    • Ur local Goonie

      Who are you again? Why are you relevent……..

      • Duh

        It looks like he was in WhY So SeRiOuS for a minute, drank some N3 grr goonies koolaid which qualifies him to pontificate on all things 0.0 ofc

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          I also have a really wonderful collection of teas which I treasure more than life itself. So yeah. Keep that in mind.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Cute people want to use my name. I can just log into the site via my account you know.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Tada….

  • http://tagn.wordpress.com/ Wilhelm Arcturus

    Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.

  • GrouchyOldGamer

    Read this, regretted it instantly.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Can I offer a refund?

      • Tubrug1

        I have to have treatment for brain cancer after reading this, you can pay for that.

        • It’s a me, mario

          Everytime i read one of your ‘articles’ it has the same effect. You can either stop writing utter shit or pay for my cancer treatment, preferably both,

          • Meh

            I’ll pay for you to fuck off you goon faggot.

      • GrouchyOldGamer

        Just some brevity would be nice. You spent three paragraphs explaining why you use his in-game name rather than his real name. It was downhill after that really.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          I serve wine not shots =(

          • GrouchyOldGamer

            Corked.

  • exit like a motherfucking pro

    “I’ve never spoken to The Mittani online or in person and I doubt the guy
    has much of an idea I exit let alone who I am and what I do.”

    Don’t feel bad bro, nobody important knows you exit.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Not much to feel bad about really. But yeah nobody knows I exist. very true ;)

    • Lol

      By reading his article, you therefore know he exists. I believe your just mad he ripped your butt buddie. Mate

  • ^_-

    You guys need to understand one thing about the Mittinani. He is not playing EvE. He has a real life job that pays him real life money if he manipulates a large amount of people in EvE and keeps them reading his web site. He has no intention to have good PvP or for his members to have any real fun, the more people he can force into the CFC the more people he can make read his web site and the more advertising he can sell that is the ONLY thing that matters to him. Attacking N3 40 jumps away from their staging system says “I could not give a stuff if my members only sov grind, they are so stupid that they will believe its N3s fault they are not getting a fight and I can expand my web site readers while bringing the rest of EvE into the CFC”.

    As for “ProGod” this is just a character with a very unfortunate name. I have actually flow in his fleets for a very long time. His name makes him think he is actually good at EvE, he isn’t. He just welps fleet after fleet. Every fleet starts with him full of confidence that even though he has almost not logged into EvE at all in the last year he is somehow vastly superior to the enemy who are a joke. Then he will get five hundred ishtars to orbit 1 single anchor at 0 and get bombed to hell and then make a quick log off, making an excuse why he can’t stay to lead the reminder of the fleet home and someone else must do it for him. When people fight N3 they think they are fighting Progod but this is a guy who almost does not play EvE at all and it’s really the poor members who are just as much a victim just as much as the CFC members who you are fighting.

    As always N3 is vastly outnumbered fighting the whole of RUS as well as BL as well as the whole of the CFC anyone who says they aren’t outnumbered needs to get in touch with reality. RUS is doing this for revenge and does not care or perhaps does not understand they are destroying themselves in the process. At the end of this current war, this will clearly leave just RUS and the CFC in null sec, as CFC is the one playing EvE as a real life job for money soon it will only be the CFC. Any belief that RUS has any chance of survival is just being stupid. CCP have tried to stop this happening with the changes they have made as large coallitions are clearly bad for EvE and bad for CCPs hardwear. They will continue to make changes making it very difficult or poor fun for the members to be in large coalitions but when real money is involved verses people who just play for fun, it’s safe to say CFC will soon hold all null regardless and only PvP with people in high sec as ganking. There is probably no one who can stop that except CFC members themselves who have already shown they don’t understand that they are just being used and dont understand they could have far more fun by having “good fights” which the Mittinani has led them to believe is something that doesn’t exist.

    • Northern Vet

      You could always hope a new entity in 0.0 will arise but frankly I don’t see anyone left that is able to pull a bunch of dudes together because you know the CFC have all but killed them off. Which don’t get me wrong is a achievement in itself for sure that no-one else has been able to do. But seriously guys there no one left

      OK fine we said this about the old Northern Coalition (and looked what happened to them) but this is a very different Eve to what it was way back then, as there was still a lot of decent large alliances about who could pull people together and preferred decent fights over making shit loads of isk

      At least when all this is over I wont have to experience the boredom of Tidi fights all the time we can get back to what the old Nc did and just fly around Eve picking and choosing fights and generally just annoying the hell out of every other 0.0 alliance. I would welcome that

    • PL is your Daddy

      always outnumbered, that was a good one. please tell these fine people how n3 took their space? oh yea, you blobbed SOLAR.

      look up hypocrite in the dictionary, it will help you understand what you are.

    • arkady

      1. Mittens doesn’t do anything except yoga, play with his Alaskan malamutes, run his site, and facilitate the tears of tens of thousands of non Goons. The man doesn’t have “real” job anymore.

      2. We have several FCs who are window licking autists who actually ~like~ shooting structures.

      3. This article was even more poorly edited than any Goblin sperg you care to name.

      • Seraph IX Basarab

        Here take this paste, don’t burn out your DCUII

  • Nova

    I liked it.

  • Hendrick Tallardar

    “don’t spell things like “honorable” or “color” as “honourable” and “colour” if you aren’t British”

    So what about the Aussies, Kiwis, & South Africans?

    • Tegiminis

      Or irony.

      • Hendrick Tallardar

        <3

    • Andrew Metzger

      Not to mention Canadians and much of northeast US…. apparently we are tacky.

      • Hendrick Tallardar

        Canadians are subhuman, no one debates that.

        • Go Habs Go

          At least Canadians can pay their credit card.

          • Hendrick Tallardar

            I can pay mine so that’s a moot point.

          • Jaime Gomes

            And have health care system :D

          • Booyeah

            Which explains why Canadians go to the US for any major health care issues.

          • Joe Canuck

            Only rich Canadians do that, and that is because money makes them feel special and want to cut to the front of the line, that doesn’t work here, so they go to the US.

          • Dumbass

            Im sure you have thoroughly researched this claim, surveying thousands of sick Canadians, right? I know you are too smart to just parrot what you saw on some talk show or AM Radio.

      • Barkaway

        yes you are:P

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Was kind of a joke…don’t take it seriously

      • Hendrick Tallardar

        Oh, I thought the joke was your poorly written article with tons of factual errors.

    • Joe Canuck

      Why are you leaving out us Canadians?? Like Seriously.

      • Hendrick Tallardar

        See comment about Canadians being subhuman.

  • I just do not know

    Evolution (BOB) joined NCDOT, and there are of course other ex-BOB corps in there too, however I think he has decided that he really does want to win Eve, so here we go!!!

  • Spectral Beef Warrior

    This would make a nice forum rant.

  • justa guy

    Was a interesting read, please keep up the good work

  • mellyra

    “I can’t imagine to really know Mittani although one can make the argument that few of us really even know ourselves.”

    or as Kant famously wrote:

    “Denn welcher Mensch kennt sich selbst, wer kennt andre so durch und durch, um zu entscheiden: ob, wenn er von den Ursachen seines vermeintlich wohlgeführten Lebenswandels alles, was man Verdienst des Glücks nennt, als sein angebornes gutartiges Temperament, die natürliche größere Stärke seiner obern Kräfte (des Verstandes und der Vernunft, um seine Triebe zu zähmen), überdem auch noch die Gelegenheit, wo ihm der Zufall glücklicherweise viele Versuchungen ersparte, die einen andern trafen; wenn er dies alles von seinem wirklichen Charakter absonderte (wie er das denn, um diesen gehörig zu würdigen, nothwendig abrechnen muß, weil er es als Glücksgeschenk seinem eignen Verdienst nicht zuschreiben kann); wer will dann entscheiden, sage ich, ob vor dem allsehenden Auge eines Weltrichters ein Mensch seinem innern moralischen Werthe nach überall noch irgend einen Vorzug vor dem andern habe, und es so vielleicht nicht ein ungereimter Eigendünkel sein dürfte, bei dieser oberflächlichen Selbsterkenntniß zu seinem Vortheil über den moralischen Werth (und das verdiente Schicksal) seiner selbst sowohl als anderer irgend ein Urtheil zu sprechen?”

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Yeah but then I get accused of making my stuff already more long and drawn out as is. Plus I’m already shooting a bit above most people’s heads as is.

      “GRRR TELL ME HOW I POON DEM WITH AS LITTLE WORDS AS POSSIBLE HURRR”

  • CyberSarge

    The problem with painting with a broad brush is that it paints too broad sometimes. I had never met any goons until our alliance decided to throw in with them. Like you I expected to be targeted and popped in our first fleet. Long story short our alliance could not ask for better partner in the CFC. They have some of the most colorful characters in eve and their Logistics team would be the envy of any army (real or in cyberspace). Some people in the CFC do not have honor but that could be said all over eve, it just depends who they are not what alliance they belong to.

  • DaReaper

    I met him once, a few years ago at a Vegas gathering, he was actually in my group when we did a scrim role-play and had to come up with an eve expansion, so we invented eve online: corruption. He was cordial, and seemed fine. And yea he’s a rather good speaker. *shrugs*

  • What’s in a name

    A good read as always, yes there’s the odd minor grammatical error, but that doesn’t detract from your article. One of the few eve writers, along with the Mittani, who I actually sit down and have a brew while I read it.

  • ThatGuy

    The Mittanis updated coalition map.

    sites.google.com/site/evecoalitionmap/home

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Well you can’t really say that SoCo is CFC though…

      • anonymous

        You really can though as long as they are with Solar Fleet.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          Just because Solar and CFC have a good relationship does not automatically make them CFC though. That’s not fair or interesting to say.

          • fu.com

            “Fair” and “Interesting” don’t matter, you dramatic, non-journalistic fuck.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Grrrr! TAYGUR KLAWWW

  • Shittani

    Mittani rarely plays eve. His only interest is building up rmt for his mortgage, whilst now yes he does have a RL job the payout from being eves biggest blob certainly helps his RL wallet.
    CFCs purpose is not gfs it’s not paramount that their grunts have fun.

    Cfc leadership will aggress against people when they are weakened and only then, they are not interested in GFs. As long as they are keeping their grunts occupied they stop CFCs actual purpose of creating a rmt bank for certain leadership.

    Now you can say where’s your proof, how do you know this.
    Point being is those whom rmt are rarely caught, it’s very difficult to prove, but there’s certain position and people in roles & their own character Nd wealth that you’d be dillusional to believe otherwise. Instance here cfc is Mittens piggy bank.
    That’s what sickens a lot of people, why join/fight for someone who minipulate a for their own wealth, who doesn’t really give a damn about you.
    Mittens is disjointed from cfc, he only speaks to his leadership, the circle. Cfc only know him through his propaganda. He rarely shows his face, last times when Dotbros where pasting their asses, he had to show his face and manipulate propaganda to get cfc numbers up again and wedge a small seed of discontent in Dotbros.

    N3 their leadership are seen all the time, they are in fleets, leading them, laughing, getting to know people. There’s. Kind to be rmt in all coalitions to an extent, but as far as N3 leadership go they are black and white, they stock pile isk for war, for content and fun for their coalition.

    So CFCs purpose is to create a money bank for mittens.
    N3s primary purpose is to have a large reserve for fun/wars and content for their coalition, which is hard to do these days with the lack of content in a stagnant tightly controlled arena of eve.

    That is 1 big difference.

    • nerd

      Please provide proof of these claims that you make.

      • Some guy

        I remember a guy named Lance Armstrong used to ask for proof when people were making.. hmmm…claims.

      • SerbsNnerds

        Look at how many of the eastern euro rmt’ers, many of the original Northern Coalition, are now back in the fold of Goons or pets.

    • Don’t Even Play This Game

      What you, and everyone like you, is failing to take into account here is that Mittens does all of this *for* goon fun. Goons are not fueled by good fights and space bushido. Goons are fueled by pubbie tears and internet rage. This is why goons don’t open recruit. They don’t want brave pilots out to shoot space ships and have a good time. They want people who think making other people upset is the best form of fun there is, and Mittens delivers on that concept.

      Mittens absolutely cares about how much fun goon grunts are having, its just that goon grunts don’t have the same kind of fun you do. Mittens brings them notoriety, targets for destruction and a never ending harvest of tears. The whole ‘The Mittani’ persona is carefully crafted to be the biggest asshole possible in order to infuriate others. Alex is not Mittens, in the same way Stephen Colbert is both a comedian and the host of a psuedo right wing ‘news’ show. Its called acting.

      Fundamentally, you might be logging into Eve alongside goons, but you aren’t playing the same game as them. You appear to log in for ‘good fights’ and ‘honour’. Goons, up and down the line, from the Mittani to the line grunts, log in to see how much they can piss you off and drink your tears. By that metric they’re probably having more fun than you are.

      • WTB Good Fights

        I don’t get your logic. We log in for good fights, as you said, so you join in the war giving us more good fights. Where then, are the tears you’re after coming from when you’re giving us exactly what want and log in for?

        • Did we read the same article?

          See: Seraph’s article, the guy I’m responding to’s post, opinion about goons in EVE in general. All pubbie tears. “The Mittani is only in it for his RMT empire! Goons can only win by blobbing! Waaah waaah waaah.” Its all tears. Actually playing the game is the work put in to get those delicious tears.

          Also, pretty sure standard goon doctrine is to deny all good fights whenever possible by either blobbing or blueballing in order to increase the harvest of tears while minimizing anyone else’s fun.

      • Truth

        Goons are told to do what leadership wants them to do, not bothering about the game in any other way but how to be a cunt is convenient for cfc leadership, the more brainless cunts they have like that the better it is for them GG

    • Krampus

      Dinsdale Piranha? Is that you?

  • Mike

    idgi…. Li3 is a goon pet, why did they kill one of their Tengu’s?

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      This was when back when Li3 was part of the HBC.

  • http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1452193 412nv yaken

    QUOTE: “don’t spell things like “honorable” or “color” as “honourable” and “colour” if you aren’t British…it just comes off as tacky…mate.

    However you misspelled exists in your first sentence. Stopped reading after this as you can say your not butthurt all you want, however with a snipe like that you certainly seem it…

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      A typo is a bit different than trying to seem worldly and sophisticated. In any case don’t take it so seriously, it’s a joke. Damn people get so stuffy these days.

      • Not a Brit

        I spell such words with a “u” as opposed to avoiding one and presume neither worldliness nor sophistication. Such assumptions seem to be pressed by you onto such words to connote something they simply don’t based on the nationality of the author.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          It’s a joke! :D

          • Not a Brit

            In that case work on conveying humor in an overall serious piece. It is shoved under the seriousness of your work and comes off as useless ad hominem rather than a brief break before you get into the more meaty substance.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Did you notice how I used “mate”?

          • http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1452193 412nv yaken

            Shoulda used m8 ;-)

          • Bobby Winquiest

            Which came off as mocking, not humour, m8

    • Pot call kettle black?

      1. More people than “British” spell certain words with a “u.” In fact, I believe the only English speaking country that does not, is the US.
      2. If you are going to cut someone down for spelling/grammar mistakes, maybe don’t make them yourself? “Stopped reading after this as you can say your not…” wait sorry where was I? I stopped reading after you misspelled “you’re”

      • http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1452193 412nv yaken

        Im not an author on a “news” site, so misspelling “your” im a comment……. whateves m8, but in the same breath your statement”1. More people than “British” spell certain words with a “u.”" More people than british? That makes zero sense…..

        I would of accepted, people other than british, A majority of countries spell words with a “u” or some sort of variant, though more people that british…. GTFO

        GG

        • yeahthatguy

          love watching retards spar.

          oh, it’s “would have,” not “would of”

          • http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1452193 412nv yaken

            Not in Australia m8.

            GG #umad

  • Yoao

    Esti patetic …

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Ai nervi frate?

      • Tehniq

        Ha, eram sigur că ești român după nume. Chiar mă gândeam cum să aflu sigur. Felicitări pentru articole, nu prea am habar de mișcările din 0.0 (mă desfășor mai mult în high), dar articolele tale tot timpu mă fac să zic “Bă, trebuie să mai ajung și eu prin 0.0.”

        Baftă multă!

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          Hai noroc. Am pare bine sa mai vad Romani prin Eve. Mai nimeresc si eu cu articole despre 0.0 dar sunt multi baieti suparati care nu le place ce scriu.

          Am un articol care iese in curand despre un Roman. Stai cu ochi mari.

          Numai bine.

          • CCPLeSimple

            Interesant.

          • Tehniq

            L-am vazut acum, am apucat sa citesc doar introducerea, restul maine la servici.

            Ma, peste tot sunt suparati, mai ales in EVE, n-ai cum sa ii multumesti; multi comenteaza doar sa faca pe desteptii. Vezi-ti de treaba si numai bine!

    • mos craciun

      Iar tu esti un carberar goon indoctrinat de ideile unui american. Seraph a scris mai mult decat poti tu intelege..

      • CCP Yitzak

        “carberar”…’de puii mei,ahahahahahahahahaha

      • Yoao

        Ai nimerito pasta cu goons .. Seraph nu stie sa dea undock si vb despre eve.

  • ur a HACK

    tl;dr

    I have never met the guy, but that dosent matter. I will make biased post with a bunch of lies so i can look space cool on en24.

  • Thomas

    I’m not sure if you’ll ever read this comment, but I think you were making a mistake in this article all the way through. The Mittani is a literal separate character than Alex because he’s literally and purposely written as a person by the guy on the other end. When he says he was ‘surprised’ this would happen or that the N3 got away ‘with no consequences’, he’s not typing what he thinks. He’s typing what he wants Goons to think.

    The CFC has a very strong self-image as fearless space scum, but it isn’t what they are, it’s what they want to _think_ they are and as such The Mittani’s role is to buy into that image and portray the CFC as a coalition that gives no fucks, except when their enemies least expect it. His alliance updates reflect the narrative and not the genuine motivation and thinking. Here he was building up anger against N3 and ‘no consequences’ is part of that

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Pretty much. It’s either incompetence of bullshit. Thank you for the thoughtful input.

      • d

        The real goal of harassing N3 is not N3 itself or anything that has happened in the past but more targeted towards N3′s renters. Goons are trying to make them very uncomfortable and/or force them to pack up and leave and at the same time say “we can protect you, obviously N3 can not”. Yes it is all about ISK and preventing your enemy from making any. The fall of Test is proof positive that a broke alliance can not put up a fight. Goons want to make sure they can fund the war machine.

  • You are horrible at this

    Basically, as always, your analysis fails to take into account irony, hyperbole, sarcasm, or any of the in jokes that were obvious to anyone non-autistic reading that CEO update. What that says to those of us who understand is: N3 pissed in our Cheerios for a bit in Fountain, let’s show them how it is properly done. If we overdo it a bit and make them fail cascade, all the better.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Sorry your feelings got hurt. Don’t take it so seriously.

      • are you 16?

        what the hell are you talking about. his feelings aren’t hurt hes just pointing out the mistakes you made in your evaluation. I’m in NC and when you read the propaganda you just chuckle and go about your business. I think your the only person with hurt feelings because people don’t take your ramblings seriously.

        Also m8 m8 m8. The only english speaking country that refuses to use the letter ‘u’ in words like ‘colour’ is the US. Its not about trying to sound sophisticated its about being relevant to the majority of the world. The fact that this pisses you off and makes you ‘mad bro’ proves in itself you have a personal problem with the mitts.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          No you care more! No you do! No you!

          • are you 16?

            YOUR NOT MY REAL DAD!

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            YOU NEVER SATISFIED ME!

  • qwer

    Well it seems to be a little habit for 0.0 leaders to describe very obvious outcome as a surprise to their coalition/alliance. Best example was this Delve bash 1½ year ago which was “going to be one of the greatest wars ever fought” if you listened what HBC leaders said to their members and in reality it was obvious walk through by HBC. If I remember fight they had like 2 fights and then it was pretty much just grinding through south with no problems.

  • analysis, reality

    “As a side note…don’t spell things like “honorable” or “color” as
    “honourable” and “colour” if you aren’t British…it just comes off as
    tacky…mate.” <- he was making fun of vince who is U.K., i think.

    "Truth is Absolute, but it is perspective that is relative" <-agreed

    "…forget about complaining about “fair fites” the sooner you’ll evolve into something more useful in Eve." <-agreed

    "Really? It was surprising? It seemed like the most logical conclusion to me." <- you do not understand the Russian mind set and culture (culture being the heaviest as it makes the mindset) and humans rarely operate on logical conclusions. now as an ex Russian (solar) pet, i can tell you that it was the only way the Russian blocks maintained and held real power as a cohesive unit. When they devolved to shooting each other they all got a$$-kicked by third parties like PL.

    "Well that escalated quickly. I really fail to see what exactly N3 did that was so taboo." <-that is how the goons in particular and the cfc in general operates. the only people that are allowed to have "fun" are them. everyone else can't unless you are on the "be nice to them, as it hurts our the enemy more" list. the current list: Russians (DD, solar, etc.) and BL (who still have "e-honor" in the eyes of cfc). The only rason cfc is remotely friendly with -a- right now is that -a- is not the same -a- as before (missing that **** named makalu is good enough for me).

    "Their leader, Phreeze, while never exchanging any words with, I like from some of his writing." <- he is also PL and PL uses it as a "alt alliance who will take null sov somewhere to rat in for the mains (not all in alliance, of course) in PL. the fact he has others then PL in it is because he wants to camouflage it as much as possible. or maybe he just wants his own little fiefdom…

  • Devore

    “For one reason or another people tend to separate “The Mittani” from “Alex Gianturco” because one is an in game persona and the other is a real person. Honestly I think that’s a load of garbage.”

    Actually it isn’t. That’s why people do and say things in the game that they would not in real life. Players don’t need any real world-analogous motivation to do things in the game. CFC doesn’t need a logical reason to dislike N3. Russians don’t need any rationalizations to stick together. Applying real world concepts and drivers to analyze or predict in-game behaviour is stupid.

    It leads to statements like “I really fail to see what exactly N3 did that was so taboo.” It doesn’t matter what N3 did, or even if they did anything, or whether it was “taboo” (huh? really? taboo?) or trivial or imagined or misunderstood. It’s a reason to do shit in the game. To log in and shoot someone. Nothing more than that.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      People don’t do or say things IRL that they do in video games because the person you are doing it can punch you in the face. If that was a possibility in Eve, they wouldn’t do it either. You fail to grasp the concept of consequences. You can apply concepts of real politik and psychology to Eve very easily, that’s why I like the game.

      • Devore

        Precisely, consequences in the game are completely different from those in real life. Burning your alliance to the ground is not the same as bankrupting your country. Tomorrow, the Goons could ally with TEST and go shoot Russians. Why not? What explanation would you need to explain that behaviour? Shooting someone just because they are there, or flipping a coin between two targets has no analogue in real life, and no, doing it does not make you a sociopath. At the end of the day, you close the game, and the pixels go away, and your decisions and actions are meaningless. They are only dictated by logic, reason and consequences if you choose them to be; clearly, many players do not.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          But there are still consequences equivalent to their context. Also killing someone in game =/= someone in real life. You don’t NEED to be punched in the face to realize your actions have consequences in Eve. 99 percent of people are reasonable…at least in their mind. Pretty basic Poli sci stuff here.

          • Devore

            Ok, so what are the consequences to Alex for picking a fight with N3?

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Well the one I can think of is the fact that if N3 does lose…he’ll have to contend with the 2nd largest coalition being homeless and pissed off at him. If you destroy the falcon’s nest, you now have to worry that it’s flying above head.

          • CCP DominixGetPrimaried

            What make you so shure he does care?

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Because he wouldn’t be playing Eve if he didn’t care.

    • The Grid

      When Mittens got himself removed from the CSM he addressed his bees and stated that Alex Gianturco being CSM and The Mittani being Goon leader at the same time could not really be reconciled because being effective in each of those roles interfered with the other. This is as clear as it gets regarding how he cannot isolate the personas.

      • Devore

        Yes, that’s what he said. You don’t know why he said it. Probably just diplomatic-speak, way to diffuse the situation and give everyone a face-saving out.

        Look, I’m not saying people just do things in the game randomly, with no motivation or analysis. I am saying that people’s real identity, and their MANY online personas, are separate, and the decisions in game are driven by a completely different set of rules and values, which are unique to each individual persona. For an external observer, they might as well be random, REGARDLESS of what the public reasons are given.

        If Goons decide to shoot Russians tomorrow, you have no idea why that is. Maybe Alex woke up with a headache. Maybe there was some deal brokered with N3. Maybe some Russian alliance leader insulted his wife. Maybe Alex just spun the wheel, and the needle landed on the ‘fuck Russians’ spot. Without knowing intimately the individual player, and his motivations in playing the game, it is impossible for you to give any analysis or predictions.

        You have no idea what other EVE characters Alex plays, what other games, what other hobbies he has, or what his personal life looks like. For that matter, you don’t even know which real person is behind the keyboard when The Mittani logs into the game or posts something online. We know for a fact people’s online behaviour does not match their real world behaviour. All you can assume is that The Mittani’s persona is internally consistent, and it will make decisions that follow the narrative publicly laid out.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          He may do that but there would be a reason. Just because we dont know the reason, does not mean there is none.

        • The Grid

          I have met Alex at Fanfest 2011 (one year before Mittanigate) and I’d label him squarely as an asshole, so that fits the thesis very well.

      • Crack attack

        True, I ripped off a Corp I was in, and so I’m a thief in real life, it’s just how I roll. It’s the same with all of you.

    • Justsomegui

      Player talk smack in games cuz they know that they are hiding behind a computer and their face is not in danger of coming into contact with a fist, foot, elbow or knee. Its as easy as that.

  • Ok your writing is now on a level with goblins. Please cut off your fingers.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      What upset you? Honestly. Was it the positive things or the negative things. It seems that people who hate mittani are upset I said anything nice and people who love him are upset I said anything bad. Well people are made up of both good and bad things. Pointing them out shouldn’t upset you this way.

  • WatermelonChickenJesus

    MITTENS IS MY GOD. HAIL

  • Grammar

    Using me correctly is chill.

  • Necromonger

    Aye agreed this is more on a Goblin Level of writing, i liked your writing but this is just looking bad from top to bottom.

    Like people dint see this comming many monts ago…..

    Mittani has ego , we all do – specialy people that need to lead thousands of people
    He is also very fond to show Eve that if you piss Mittani off and have big talks he will make you eat those brave words or return the favor.
    This man lives to make you feel miserable it is his field of play and he is not ever been beaten on his own game of the big great dictator that controls Eve Online from hs throne in Mittanigrad.

    Also N3 leaders Vince and PGL aint even close to playing this game at Mittani’s level.
    They got all the moons lined up multiple times to invade CFC space but their greed ( Moongoo) and selfish attitude made them miss those opertunity’s.
    Now they are to face total destruction of their empire.
    And we all know CFC havent lost a war in ages…if they ever even lost a war (not talking about isk wars here) but eviction or Sov wars.
    Isk wars for goons / cfc are a joke….they dont care to burn trough 40 fleets of loses, our members do not care about losing battles, we just keep comming and comming and comming.
    Its down to the core of our nature in the CFC to welp shit.
    And we always laugh about it.
    Also no campaign starts or ends without a titan super cap welp / mistake.
    And honestly, the CFC does not care about green killboards….we never did.
    We arent the elite of eve, we play to make you feel as shit as posible while having as much fun we can.
    This is CFC in a nutshell. we welp till you die. and we always win.

    You also talk that you saw RUS RUS combining their firepower and burry old grudges and blame mittani for not seeing it comming. :P
    Sorry Seraph…….but Russians do not forgive…..no1 saw this comming that Solar / DD / -A- / RA would burry the axe and work together.
    Saying that you saw it comming is just bullshit m8.

    If you are going to write Goblin level articles it would be a total waiste m8, pls dont do that you can do many times better.
    This article is bad as shit :(

    (Ingrish is not my main tongue)

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      No one saw it coming? Can I refer you to my previous article then?

      evenews24.com/2013/10/23/seraph-ix-basarab-legions-clash-at-fr-b1h-now-what/

      Looks like I saw it coming. Stated that BL should/would ally with Solar, AAA and DD all together and go to war. Please at least check your facts before attempting to criticize me.

    • Huh?

      For a goon forum warrior you really can’t write for shit dude. I thought you guys lived to post so if you had a point to argue I would have hoped it would have been better thought out than this lame chest beating crap, native English speaker or not.

    • An observer

      For some reason, posts like this give me the feeling that CCP will put the nerfing of coalitions on their agenda pretty soon. The era of the big blocs is probably nearing its end.

  • morebortsigns

    Its just a game,i like to keep grudges in the game,but its on block level i dont actually hate a person in the game,unless they just sold me a fucking shuttle for 100 mil!!

  • Centrix

    Bring it on CFC and Stainwagon at least now I don’t have to fight Tengus every fucking night I can have some proper battleship brawls again like the good old days

    We will just keep on fighting until there’s nothing left to fight for, and when we have lost all of our space and the CFC end up turning on the Stainwagon. I bet you anything they will come asking for our help because our supers are the only thing that’s really slowing the CFC down from taking pretty much all of 0.0

    And I hope we don’t help them because you know fuck Russians you cant trust them at all

    • Just Saying

      I agree ….. keep the good fights coming. we will fight and fight and fight. and if, or when we loose… we will still be N3/NC. PL with our mighty super fleet that you will always be afraid of… FUCK CFC … :)

      • DD-Grunt

        If this fleet could not bring you victory, why should they be afraid of it?

        • Nc. Scrub

          If your not afraid of it, then why do you not reinforce stuff with supers? Instead of bluing the rest of null and shooting stations in bss

          • Some Dude

            They just did today Solar jumped in 40 supers and 80 ish dreads I was shocked, when do you wreckon there next super whelp will be happening?

          • Some Dude

            I meant “the next super whelp” not theres.

            If Solar keep doing this maybe we will finally have a supercap fight that we havent seen for years since the old DRF and NC days?

          • Nc. Scrub

            I hope so mate, my super will be on the field.

    • old timer

      test also , was supposed to fight to the last ship… wanna try FW ?

      • Northern Vet

        If you think the same thing that happened to Test is going to happen to Ncdot and PL then you clearly have no idea. As these alliances historically have spent most of there life’s without sov and have always been at there best when there was no sov to defend

  • Jesus Loves You

    Mittani is a douche, nothing less nothing more. He basks in any mention of his name and think the fact he can piss people off is glory enough in itself.

    He must have a rather despicable life IRL to behave like that in a game.

  • oh my

    trolololol, if you’re going to moan about someones spelling…. Please don’t make a spelling mistake in the first sentence of your article. “I’ve never spoken to The Mittani online or in person and I doubt the guy has much of an idea I exit” Please use the english word ‘exist’ otherwise it just sounds tacky……mate.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Do you really have such a poor comprehension that you think someone…anyone…would think “exist” may be spelled “exit?” You ever considered that perhaps I simply didn’t hit the “S” key typing this up perhaps from typing too fast or the key being stuck? You really that upset I didn’t praise your loving leader/denounce the great satan to your pleasure that you have to bitch about an obvious type? Really? =/

      • Arsot

        You really that upset I didn’t praise your loving leader/denounce the great satan to your pleasure that you have to bitch about an obvious typo? Really? =/
        Fixed that for you.

        • Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

          Actually, you are both idiots. “You really that…” is incorrect syntax. It should be “Are you really that…”. Also, “Satan” is a proper noun as it is a name, therefore should be capitalized.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Clearly we’re the idiots.

  • LOL.

    first of all: you are giving goons to much credit as the “most powerfull” and shit. Most conflicts that goon propaganda tells the world they would have won, was actually their allies fighting the fight.

    And frankly:

    “don’t spell things like “honorable” or “color” as “honourable” and “colour” if you aren’t British…it just comes off as tacky…mate. ”

    So basically you are saying “if you are not british, use the american simplification of words”. Seriously. Go fuck yourself.
    Colour and Honourable with the u are correct ENGLISH spellings of those words. In English in *some* cases it *may* be dropped. Pretty much the whole (English speaking) world is using this spelling.
    The American way of spelling, where the u is always dropped (except for the word Glamour) is the one that comes out wrong if you are not american, or if you are addressing an international audience.

    • jeffry Gimblles

      Hi please show us where this article touched you on this diagram please……

      • LOL.

        i thought that was obvious.

    • KnowYourHistory

      Actually, the ‘American’ and ‘English’ versions both stem from England when multiple spellings of the same word was widely accepted. When dictionaries started to be written and spelling was becoming more standardized the most common spelling was used, and this tended to be the shorter one due to the type setting methods used, both in the US and Europe. It’s wasn’t until after WWI that a movement began in England, and Europe in general, to use the less common spellings so as to distinguish themselves from the US.

      • LOL.

        wrong.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      You have a very simplified concept of real politik. The goons can impose their will upon their allies and with their entire coalition they win wars. You don’t have to be “good” at pvp as much as you have to be able to impose your will upon a military situation.

      Also…”KnowYourHistory” is right. And replying with “wrong.” doesn’t change that.

      • LOL.

        Except, that the words with -our where first borrowed into english from old french (french often -ur, the borrowed words first as -or), and after the conquest through the normans (arround 1066) the ending was spelled -our, mostly to represent the old french pronunciation. doh. so yes, “KnowYourHistory” and you are both wrong.

  • Scott Lockwood III

    I think you missed that 90% of that little missive was going for irony…

  • Used to play

    If you lot spent as much time fighting the goons as you do bitching about spellings on random web pages like this, maybe just maybe you might be able to defeat the goon bloc.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Why would I want to defeat the “goon bloc?”

    • nothing new here

      If he defeated the goon bloc who’s spelling would he have left to bitch about?

      • Seraph IX Basarab

        My own obviously.

  • RBW

    so was your point in this article to say that Miami is too smug and it will be his undoing, or was it to point out that others should learn that it is his organization and delegation to beat him rather than focusing on his smugness? I got lost.

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Neither?

      • RBW

        I guess I need to read again lol

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          The meat of the article really is the CFC involvement in the war. The bit about Mittani is just some things to consider. You get what you get out of it.

          • RBW

            Ya I got it the second time around, I should not have dead the thing while driving the first time.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Aw man don’t be on your phone and drive. That’s not safe!

  • JIeoH Mocc

    Looks like we’ve got another Goblin emerging to have a shot at all that fame…

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      What part of the article made you upset? I’m not even trolling. Most people are mad because I either said too many nice things or too many mean things about the topic. I just wanted to know if you had a legitimate criticism or just another angry person.

      • JIeoH Mocc

        No part made me upset… and i didn’t offer you any criticism – i don’t care enough to do it.
        I just compared your piece with Goblins bullshit “anal-ytics’, you may like it, you may not like it, that’s just my impression after trying to read through the piece.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          I can respect that but would you give me the pleasure of discussing specifics? Usually a person has a reaction because something made them react. I’d just like to hear your thought process on that if you wouldn’t mind.

          • JIeoH Mocc

            But i would mind, otherwise i’d offer my disagreements right away. You never thought to counter Goblins points after reading his bullshit, right? Same thing here, you can go down below in the comments, there are people who are less particular than me who actually care to disagree on points instead of branding the whole piece as bullshit and move on to the next one.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            But I did counter his article (if you are referring to why so safe). In any case i’m not sure what my actions have to do with your own. I could scroll down but that doesn’t have any relevance in our discussion because I’m looking for your opinion as a unique individual. I want to know what YOU SPECIFICALLY think.

          • JIeoH Mocc

            Ah yeah, you actually did counter Goblins bullshit, i forgot. I might have had a shot at you even then, for countering Goblins bullshit. So i am actually not that wrong with my first comment, eh?
            I am very sorry if you think that my ‘grade’ of your work is unfair without offering arguments, but i am definitely not in favour of doing a counter to someone’s terrible counter to someone else’s terrible troll piece. You’ll have to do with that.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            That’s fine. It just doesn’t really mean very much to anyone then. Shouting down an elevator shaft more or less.

          • JIeoH Mocc

            That’s why you bothered to post 4 comments to my meaningless opinion. M’kay.
            I wouldn’t presume to impose it on anyone anyway. Oh an sorry for using ‘u’ in ‘favour’ despite not being UK native/resident =(

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Well I’m trying very hard to make sure it isn’t meaningless by having a mature conversation here. All the while you are doing a “I can stand on my hands, I just don’t wanna” maneuver in fact making your opinion meaningless. So if you want to have a discussion where your opinion actually has a meaningful impact, by all means, i’m all ears. Most writers here wouldn’t give two fucks about answering what anyone writes. I like to have discussions. Other wise, yeah you’re opinion is meaningless to all but you. Your choice.

          • JIeoH Mocc

            It’s meaningless, no doubt.
            Wait … nope, still meaningless.

          • nothing new here

            Spelling nazi….. its “your opinion is meaningless” not “you’re opinion is meaningless”. Just thought I would help you there

  • nothing new here

    ….so, you don’t know the guy, so you write an article on the guy claiming you know everything about him..

    • nothing new here

      You will also find more parts of the world use “Colour” and “Honourable” than your American gibberish, have a nice day!

      • BlayzdI Gend

        you really do sound like a slit lip crybaby redcoat….

        mad cuz your cuntry is only known loving a failed monarchy and a love for terrorists within your cuntry?

        sounds like it, my freedom is tasting really good atm

    • Seraph IX Basarab

      Claim to know everything about him? From the article:

      “I can’t imagine to really know Mittani although one can make the argument that few of us really even know ourselves.”

      Also the joke wasn’t that he used U in his words, the joke was that he’s American and used U. It’s really not that serious people…

      • nothing new here

        So he is an educated American that understands the history of that vile filth you americans speak today?

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          Well as it was pointed out earlier the U spelling only began after WW2 in order for the Brits to disassociate themselves more from the Americans. There are actually many things in American English that is closer to original English than what the Brits do. Weird isn’t it

          • nothing new here

            If you actually read the post he said both were used. So all I read in your post was “AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!”
            Believe it or not America did not invent the English language.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            I’m not American…

          • BlayzdI Gend

            you are fucking moron, Have you ever been to Merica you snoot nosed muzzy loving, queen cramin, nerf hearder?

            “Believe it or not America did not invent the English language.”

            please go on about your knowledge of English language or maybe we should get back to not giving a shit about crybaby redcoats. -Andrew Jackson

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Action Jackson, no fucks given

          • BlayzdI Gend

            the fact that you know my boi, you’re good in my book.

            people tend to forget the mixing pot of America. America isn’t a single race/ religion, type of style of living.
            As an Example for you “brits” out there

            “Jackson surveyed his forces and realized he was woefully outnumbered and outgunned. So he did what any badass would do — he improvised. He scraped together a force consisting of U.S. sailors, Marines, soldiers, militiamen, Choctaw Indians, and Free Blacks. When that wasn’t enough, he went out to Barataria Bay and enlisted the help of a band of MOTHERFUCKING PIRATES. ”

            Probably the same reason we butcher language is the same reason we sang the song “Yankee Doodle” but I also assume the angry “brit” here wouldnt know much about Merica or her history. Just anger.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            …didn’t want that trans Atlantic colony anyways…

          • nothing new here

            STRAYA CUNT

          • BlayzdI Gend

            this, funny how brits try to “disassociate themselves” but we Americans could honestly give no fucks about your useless mussy loving cuntry.

            “American English that is closer to original English than what the Brits do. Weird isn’t it”

            this is a true statement, sad that brizz dont understand their large gap teeth fuck English up, similair to how Mericans dont care about proper language as long as the point has been made. Moar tears for fkd up language.

            So many children from Reddit-gayness fight on the internet,

            Put your epeens away and get back RL.

      • Not British

        Well, “mate”, perhaps you should word things more carefully considering that it is American English that is the exception, not the rule. Further, before you presume to lecture others on their use of language, perhaps you should take some lessons in grammar and double check your work for errors.

        Perhaps the reason your ‘joke’ was lost on many was because you seemed to assume that Britain is the only place that uses English correctly.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          Ok one more time to explain the joke. The concept was that its tacky for an American to use British or (non American spelling) of words like color and honor because it makes them seem like they are trying to sound intelligent. Not that using U is bad. Seriously you guys are giving this way more thought than is needed.

          • Ciaphas Cyne

            I think that if you considered, for a minute, who the Mittani’s audience is you would understand why he uses the correct spelling for those words. If his audience was 100% american, then yea, hes using it to just sound fancy. But CFC is international, with many non-native English speakers. I think it just makes sense that he would use the spelling that would confuse the least amount of people. no one got your “joke” because it doesnt play as one. It plays as “ive got nothing on this guy outside of his choice on spelling”. It makes for a boring article, and it makes you look petty.

            yes too much though has been given to this already. sadly none of it was given by Seraph.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            Because it’s idiotic…but you guys keep writing paragraphs about it. It’s very srs for you.

          • nothing new here

            Obviously its to troll you and your shit article….

        • RBW

          get off your high hoUrse ( haha see what I did there ) If you get butthurt over this than EVE probably isnt the game for you.

  • Ciaphas Cyne

    no real preference on goons vs n3….but this article is missing a point, and some facts, and a few more interesting bit…and maybe a function or two?

  • hans peter

    was i the only one thinking, Gianturco – giant turkey ?

    Anyway,
    i for one associated the british u in honourable with british. The british are known as gentlemen, honouring agreements, therefor making the headline sound british will imply that this war entry really will be an honourable thing… yada yada blah blah.
    This article is not written for the eve-verse, but for the cfc members as well as the rus members – mostly all of mittanis propa writing is aimed towards his own folks.

    If you were to understand that you could raise questions like:
    why is he throwing that propaganda at his allies.
    will he really honour the quasi-blue standing towards rus, or is this just a leadup to a backstab?

    your article is shit for the very simple thing that, although you understand that mittanis writings are propaganda, you fail to understand / look behind them – but still jump to conclusions and annoy the internet.
    true goblin style.

    “’On Halloween, Solar Fleet and Black Legion made a surprising move:[...]”
    of course he calls it surprising.
    of course he wasn’t surprised.
    of course you fail to see that this is just a wording trick to make his readers feel/believe like this happened as a surprise.
    btw, halloween -> surprise … do you understand that mittens is much more educated when it comes to playing with words, text, associations and whatsoever?

    for the mittens vs alex thing.
    that guy is clearly roleplaying. and he is providing eve in general, but is members/followers in specific, with one epic roleplay.
    i mean let’s face it. reading bout eve’s politics is as interesting as reading about rl shit. ***

    is he really the most powerful person within cfc? i for one doubt that – and you for one shouldn’t think about it.

    if you really really want to go on thinking and writing about mittani and his propaganda tricks, my hint would be to read a bit into josef goebbels work.
    maybe alex/mittens is just a natural, or that guy really did his homework.

    speaking of homework.
    do yours before you write about stuff u don’t know about.

    *** to the educated readers:
    yep, i know, rl politics is anything but an interesting read. i am not stupid. i can read between the lines, no i don’t read newspapers, no i don’t watch the news on tv, plz spare me with your conspiracy shit, and plz plz plz spare me with your loyal american easybeliever bs.

  • word hater

    This is a complete piece of rambling shit. WTF?

    Tl;DR:

    I am going to engage in a shit ton of conjecture pretending to know, understand or explain a bunch of people I have not met, know, or spoken with just to make myself feel knowledgeable.

    Oh, and overuse of the word “mate” is right up there with “honourable”.

    Worst piece of crap ever on EN24.