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As many of you have already seen, streamer Simon “Mad Ani” has posted on the EVE-O forums that he wants CCP to hire him fulltime as a streamer.

That forum post can be found here.

 

I assume there’s going to be a shit storm in the comments below this, and if it’s possible, can you keep things of why and why not for him being hired in the forum post, so that:

1. We don’t have to deal with a flame war (for once)

2. If you want him to be hired or not, posting there will have more influence than posting it here.

 

Personal Opinion

 

Personally, I don’t want CCP to hire Mad Ani, on the basis that hiring him is just a bad idea. I have my reasons, which you can read on my post in that forum, which will be linked below, but here’s a basic recap of them now:

1. He’s not the most versed in EVE, and doesn’t know what’s going on a lot of the time.

2. He doesn’t care about his viewers that much, and when someone new tunes into the stream that may have no idea what EVE is about, he tells them he doesn’t want to repeat himself, and then on occasion bans them / mutes them.

3. He was begging for money at one point so he can get a better PC for a “higher quality stream,” he now has new excuses as to why he can’t get higher quality streams, which basically makes him look like a tard.

4. Unlicensed music. It doesn’t sound like a big thing, but if he works for CCP, anyone can complain to UMG and CCP could face a lawsuit for using unlicensed music to make a profit. (Thanks Ani)

 

Those are the big four reason I have as to why he shouldn’t be allowed to work for CCP.

 

The Public’s Opinion

 

From what I’ve read on the forums, there are a few people that have tried to defend Ani in wanting CCP to hire him, and have said that they would like CCP to do it as well. A good chunk of the comments are something like this:

“lol. no.

1) Beg for a PC fund keeps casually growing then seems to stall just before it’s 3rd or 4th target for a few days
2) Ask in channel if stream revenue goes towards new PC fund = removed and banned from channel
3) Slide show of an undock with rude / no commentary is not interesting.
4) Now he has a new PC paid for by the White Knights of the Round Table of Ani he finds new excuses why he can’t get good footage
5) Unlicenced music
6) In game ISK prizes for subscribing with real money. Sounds like RMT to me.

If you want a job, send a CV to a recruiter or something. Starting a petition just screams for attention, it’s embarrassing.

Also: Claimed 24/7 stream is offline.” – Ithica Hawk

I could quote a lot more than just that one, but it was short and to the point about what a lot of others are saying.

The ones that support him, all basically have the same argument as well.

1. Ani brings more people to the game (no doubt he does).

2. He helps newer players, etc.. (He does, sometimes if he doesn’t get mad at being asked a question).

3. He gives things out, which makes this more of a “2b.” sort of number, but oh well.

 

So, there’s a good argument for both sides, but the only issue is that, no matter how much the ones that want Ani to join CCP, the ones who don’t will always be right that his music is unlicensed, and since he asks for money i.e. subs and donations, he could be sued for copyright infringement.

 

So, love him or hate him, that’s purely your choice. But the fact of the matter, is that both sides are technically correct on this matter, but it’s more so who has a harder point to argue against. Which, I think a lot of people can agree, like me, you would rather not see CCP Mad Ani, because all that will happen is he will treat more people like he’s better than him, etc..

After enough “trolling” as he calls it in both his twitch chat and the forums, he decided that if you ever want to talk to him on his stream you had to subscribe to it. Here is a screen shot from his stream a few nights ago when he made it submode only, because he couldn’t take the opinions of people on the forums.

 

The Story

 

The community of Mad Ani’s twitch channel (the ones that are there a loooooooot) decided that Ani should make a petition to CCP to hire him as a full time streamer. I can see where this might be a good thing for CCP. If they have a dedicated streamer, it allows a lot more people to be involved in the sandbox that is known as EVE, and allows a lot more to happen in the terms of events in-game. If anyone’s been reading the thread, which by the way, it’s still growing a lot, you’ll see there are a fair amount of people that want Ani to be CCP or not.

I don’t mind people applying to CCP for jobs from the community (it makes sense, since the players will know best on what needs to happen a lot of the time), but there’s a webpage that is made specifically for applying for a job at CCP, and it lists all their jobs that they have open. But, the way Ani went about doing it, was making a forum post that came off (and looked like) he was begging CCP for a job as a streamer. Sure, it was his viewers ideas, but he can at least make a resume like a normal person, and apply like everyone else would, rather than asking CCP on forums to hire him.

The idea itself was good, but his ways didn’t justify or account for what he wanted in the end of it all.

 

Onto the more controversial things. As everyone knows, there was a huge issue with SOMER about RMT. They would give you a free 200m isk on their site, if you used them as a retailer of PLEX. After enough complaining from the public, that practice was shut down, and on the somer site itself, it says that CCP requested that it was to end.

CCP defines “RMT” as being paid real money (which somer got a partial amount of the money from the purchase of GTCs) and in-turn giving people in-game items or isk (which is what the site basically does). In Ani’s case. He flaunts on stream about his RMT abilities. He has a banner saying he’s received about $4000 USD in “donations” and because of these donations he was able to give away about 45bn ISK worth of things in-game.

If you think about it real quick, whenever he is donated money, he uses part of it to fund these in-game prizes, which to a lot of people, can be seen, and is being seen as a form of RMT. If this is really RMT it would be CCP’s decision if they should consider it RMT or not. If it is considered RMT, the fate of Mad Ani’s stream rests in the hands of CCP.

 

  • jeanluc

    It doesn’t make any sense to me as to why CCP would hire him. I enjoy watching his stream sometimes, but, I don’t see how that would be beneficial enough to CCP to justify putting him on the payroll. CCP could just recruit ISD to do the same thing that he (and others) do.

    • Firefox4312

      And they could just integrate it as some pay for some of the Devs, which makes life easier for CCP.

    • ISD > Bad Ani

      Not to mention that ISD can do it easier and better because they have the tools to make themselves indestructible/untargetable/impossible to decloak and can get anywhere instantly.

  • MadAnisMom

    Bad Idea, that guy just sucks

  • Darius

    Gee….seems like CCP could save a lot of money by ditching their hiring process and cutting back their HR staff. All they need to do is ask you guys whether or not they should hire so and so. They could get rid of the whole interview process and just have them run the gauntlet of player commentary. I don’t know Ani and really don’t care. After all the whooha about Mintchip it’s quite obvious that CCP hires who they want and really does not care (not even a little bit) what the player base thinks about their decisions in that regard….and if it was my company, I would pretty much feel the same.

    • Firefox4312

      The public outrage is at the fact that ani thinks he can beg on the forums for a job. I don’t remember Mintchip doing that, and tbh, I really don’t care if Ani gets hired or not. I’d rather see him fill out an actual application for the job, rather than crying on the forums and asking the community to start a petition to hire him.

      It’s;
      1. Disrespectful to CCP
      and
      2. It’s flat out lazy and makes him look more like a prick than he already is.

      But CCP doesn’t care about what we have to say on who they hire, since we aren’t the CEOs and XOs of the corporation. It’s their choice, not ours, but we should have some say on the fact that people are begging on forums for jobs instead of following the correct channels and it’s quite annoying to the rest of eve.

      • simon the sorcerer

        The biggest problem here is that guy have a ‘pay button’ on his twitch
        But what is he selling really ? A visual representation of other player created content ?
        He should just be happy to have his music broadcasted for free (i personnaly turned it off but i don’t like this type of music) .

        • Firefox4312

          Basically. He uses the channel to make himself money, then gives PLEX to his subscribers in eve. Think about that for a second;
          Buys plex w/ subscriber money
          Gives plex to subscribers.
          ^Screams rmt, and he admits he does it. Also, he uses the game to make a profit for himself, which breaks the EULA/TOS CCP made.

  • Simon aka DJ Mad

    Thank you for the advertisement of my stream :-)

    Mad Ani 24/7 live stream www.twitch.tv/mad_ani

    Purpose: Neutral EVE news correspondent capturing the largest fights. Showing the veterans, the noobs, the high sec carebears and people outside of EVE, what happens when large power blocks decide to go on all out war. Teaching others what to expect in their future endeavors.

    Started streaming: 17th January 2013

    Amount of known EVE subscribers: 500+ (using buddy & CCP affiliate program)

    The reason for creating this post here is due to the fact that I start full time employment now. This means we will miss a lot of the large fights (unless you’re taking part of course). There will be no neutral point of view, no amazing camera angles, cinematic views and a laid back approach to showing the world about PVP on these large scales. A lot of my viewers have said throughout this year that I should contact CCP about hiring me. In my mind if CCP see this as a great publicity avenue, then they would approach me. Lately it has become a lot more vocal from my viewers, this needs to continue. Before I contact anybody, I was told to create this so-called petition.

    Stream stats:

    • 2,756,215 visitors since 17th January
    • 8125 Twitch followers
    • 24/7 Music
    • 8365 concurrent viewers (NEW RECORD)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is massive for an EVE stream

    Who would like me to continue this full time as CCP Mad Ani?

    www.twitch.tv/mad_ani
    www.facebook.com/SimonakaDJMad
    www.twitter.com/SimonakaDJMad

    EDIT:

    Q&A…

    Zoomed out all the time / crap quality? Look at the following screenshots. Quality settings are maxed out on the new PC. Go look back at the fights I record, I get many people saying I get great camera angles. Next…

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    Streaming from Laptop? Yes just started using it again since I started a new job. It’s more stable than the powerhouse desktop I have, which has been proven to stream the biggest fights in full detail. I unboxed the new PC parts live on stream and took photos of it all setup when it was completed. Saying I squandered the money on other things, slanderous. Next…

    Limiting twitch chat to subscribers only breaking TOS? It was for 30 minutes to stop the spammers. 1st and only time then a bot moderator disable the welcome message spam. Actually I am allowed to moderate the channel as I see fit. Also CCP have froze their chat a few times when they stream Fanfest/Alliance Tournaments. Next…

    AFK all day on the undocks? Yes I’m at work. Prior to this I’d run roaming fleets and run some events. I’ve caught almost every major fight out there, single-handed without a team. Alarm clocked for a lot of the late night ops and streamed entire 8 hour long fights too. Next…

    Snapping and screaming at people asking questions? Blatantly people running out of excuses to troll with. I’ve met 100+ EVE pilots in London in person, the people on the stream that ask questions always get an answer. If it’s been said a fair few times, I’ll say I just explained it and for those that just tuned in will get an answer in about 10 minutes time. Not once have I snapped at somebody for asking questions. Very chilled out and friendly character, always liked teaching others. Next…

    Unlicensed music? Heard of Spotify and YouTube? Next…

    What would this stream turn into if it was to be an actual job and not free marketting? The 1st days in EVE are the most daunting and put off many new players. I’d be introducing them and showing them what’s to come in the future if they stick to it. The music would be the EVE orchestra symphony. People submitting their own underground songs which are related to space and dramatical scores for when things get intense. Next…

    0 people tuned in right now? You probably took that screen shot when I had to reset my PC. 150+ viewers during the quietest time zone. Without advertising the stream, 800+ tune in because they expect me to be streaming it. Peaking lately around 1500-3500 viewers when the big wars take place. The record is 8365 viewers. The numbers speak for themselves, people find the stream useful, intel, nice insight to nullsec for those that are new or just dwell in high sec, the music etc. Half of the trolls in here actually tune in to watch it. Next…

    Me posting with alts? Nope, everyone knows all my alts. They’ve been posted numerous times. Again trolls running out things. Next…

    RMT’ing? Raffles? People give me ISK and I give it back to anyone that’s tuned in. Don’t have to be a sub. I even gave away lots of ISK on my Birthday. Largest amount given away was 11bil ISK. Next was 5 plexes in 1 go. Plexes go to subscribers because I can. The cash has pretty much all been spent on this PC with 4 monitors. You should see the electricity bill too. I donated 2 months worth of advert commission to charity. Next…

    Why did I make this original post? Yes viewers asked me to do it since after I created this stream back in January. Publicity due to the fact I am no longer on call 24/7 to stream the events. EN24 even made an article about it. It got your attention didn’t it? Be sure to tune in when there’s a huge fight. If it’s not happening when I’m at work or sleeping, then I will be there to stream it.

    Thank you all for bumping this thread. Been awesome and done exactly as I hoped

    • best_burek

      Why should they give you a job? Don’t you make money from the adds and donations on the streaming page? It’s not like you give play by play commentary and know the people involved in the action. To be honest if you wanted a job from CCCP you should try look a bit more professional. Just sayin.

      • waltari

        I guess answering the very first question would be more than enough. why the hell should ccp give him a job? for running streams? a very bad troll indeed, but if hes serious i feel sorry for him.

        • Firefox4312

          He’s probably serious.

    • WatermelonChickenJesus

      TL’DR. Your Streams are awesome but please don’t become tittchip 2.0

    • Bartosz Raubo

      I agree with many of the other posters here; I enjoy the stream, but that little outburst above makes you look really unprofessional. That kind of arrogance is fine (although tedious) when you’re doing your own thing, but if you were to work for CCP you would be representing the company, and I see you as a PR disaster in its early stages.

      As for music licensing, yes, we have all heard of Spotify and YouTube, both of which (and Spotify explicitly) forbid the use of their content in commercial contexts, which you would likely qualify as.

    • Fuck you ANI

      It’s simple Ani we don’t need fucktards like you in game giving unfair intel out to other alliances/corps – report on the fights fair enogh but to camp staging systems is utter bollocks and ccp should kick you the fuck out of game. The end, Plus your’e geekey hat wearing faggot…

      • qwer

        Ani’s feed isn’t giving any new intel to any significant alliance

      • WatermelonChickenJesus

        welcome to EVE.
        Go play my little pony if you want “fair” intel

        Where do all these fucking scrubs come from ?!

        Please stop migrating from World of Warcraft.

        Butthurt Dwellers like you ruin EVE.

  • See you in court…

    His Unlicensed music has already been reported and is under investigation..

  • Cal Leeming (sleepycal/foxx)

    There are several arguments that could be made to prove/disprove copyright infringement has taken place, but the reality is that streaming unlicensed music comes down to an ethical decision by the person running the stream. It is also their duty to take responsibility for their actions, and be prepared to deal with any consequence that may come of it. Downloading music is one thing, but rebroadcasting without permission whilst potentially making financial gain, no matter how its jazzed up, is really pushing ethical boundaries. So whilst I neither agree nor disagree with what is being said, I personally chose not to broadcast unlicensed music on my (much smaller) live streams.

    • Firefox4312

      Well, Ani’s defense on the forums was, and I quote.
      “Unlicensed music? Have you ever heard of youtube or spotify… next”
      So it’s obvious he doesn’t have the capacity to understand copyright law. And I doubt CCP would want someone to break copyright law while working for them. Lawsuits are a hassle.

      • Guest

        I don’t think he lacks the capacity to understand copyright laws, quite the opposite.

        • Firefox4312

          Well, maybe. But the way he goes about it, it looks like he doesn’t understand copyright. Like, the last 2 videos I’ve uploaded to youtube are hit on copyright because I stream music while playing eve. Those videos are no longer available in Germany an on mobile devices. I know it’s breaking copyright, but I’m not trying to profit from it, so it’s just easier to agree that there’s an infringement and take the hit in germany and mobile phones.

          That’s the reason ani won’t upload to youtube, because he’ll try to make a profit, and UMG will remove his videos, etc… He’s even admitted he won’t upload because he knows he’ll get in trouble for copyright law.

          • Cal Leeming (sleepycal/foxx)

            One thing for sure – it will be interesting to see how this plays out, it could very well set a precedent for enforcing unlicensed music broadcast in game streams.

          • Cal Leeming (sleepycal/foxx)

            Seems that Ani has done the right thing and requested for the Eve Forums thread to be locked, he’s also maintaining silence about his position on copyright laws. Shame he didn’t do that from the start really, although he’s still playing copyrighted music on the stream. I think Ani would have learnt a harsh but necessary life lesson from this, don’t take things personally and take the high road where possible, but each to their own right :)

      • Cal Leeming (sleepycal/foxx)

        Ignorance of the law is no defense, nor is having a blase attitude towards the legal system, especially for someone of his age. I can appreciate what he’s saying in regards to “everyone else is doing it, why can’t I?”, but just because someone else drops litter doesn’t mean you have to. This is just my personal opinion though.

        • Firefox4312

          I figured the guest was you. But yea, he acts like he just doesn’t care about the law, which is worse than not understanding it.

  • d3ZoRg

    u mad braw? get a live and job

  • Mr Majesty

    Horrendous idea!