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Finally today CCP decided to close down one of the most recently discussed subjects. This subject is also known as the RMT operation of Somer Blink.

Somer Blink is a well known space gambling site used by people to gain fast isk. People generally lose a lot of isk and so Somer Blink decided to play into their customers needs by selling plex. If a customer were to buy a plex via Somer then they’d receive free Blink Credits. This looks very generous but after some people started to look closely they noticed a way to RMT (Real Money Trade) a lot of isk.

CCP Games didn’t do anything about this until the golden magnate debacle happened. After this CCP couldn’t help but look at the communities responses and a much returning subject was the Somer Blink RMT.

Because there was no proof of this actually happening, CCP had to look at another method to close down this RMT hole so they started looking at their official plex resellers. CCP decided to mail all their resellers saying: ETC + bonus items may not be directly or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk. This will result in the closing down of this RMT possibility.

Katarina Reid from Shattered Crystal posted on the forums about the mail he received:

Link to forum post

Please share your thoughts about this change to the EULA in the comment section below!

- Bobmon

  • mellyra

    There hasn’t been any change to the EULA (only a change in the way it is being enforced) and this article reads as if it was written by a 5 year-old.

    Also – golden magnets, how do they work?

    • Spite

      They collect gold and silver coins every now and then during the game.

  • Grunt

    The problem here is that BLINK does not pay people that use their affiliate link in straight ISK but they are rewarding with BLINK credit. This is not a direct way of paying out ISK, but people can spend that on the mini lottery to have a chance on winning an item which can then be paid out in the item itself or ISK ingame.
    So, I do not see anything change here for BLINK itself, as what they do is not a violation of the EULA in any way nor is it actually RMT. They just have a better incentive when it comes to being in an affiliate program.

    • spanner

      They’re offering a discount on the ISK price for their service as an inducement to enter into a third-party transaction from which they stand to earn a commission. If one wants to construe it as a single transaction, they’re effectively receiving real money in exchange for forgoing an opportunity to make ISK.

    • You’re wrong.

      “This is not a direct way of paying out ISK, but people can spend that on
      the mini lottery to have a chance on winning an item which can then be
      paid out in the item itself or ISK ingame.”

      Indirect ways of paying out ISK are also prohibited by the EULA, read term 10 of the tos.

      “So, I do not see anything change here for BLINK itself, as what they do
      is not a violation of the EULA in any way nor is it actually RMT.”

      Yes it will, because yes it is, and yes it is.

    • retard

      If I buy every ticket, is it chance?

      NOPE!

    • You bad

      Just buy every ticket and cash out, sure you lose 10%, but it’s free isk, for buying a GTC from them, which they make money off…… That is RMT anyway you slice it.

  • Billbo

    …….

  • Herpa Derp

    Well damn wouldn’t ya know Somer still has that shit up on there website hmm

    • CfCk

      This is a 10day notice, so they have 10 days to put it down.

      • Nope

        their leadership actually said something to the effect of ‘nope’ in their chat channel. it appears this isn’t actually affecting them, or it is but they are going to milk it for as long as possible and not acknowledge it until after they take it down.

        • nigger jim

          more than likely the latter, why say something bad is going to happen with possible bad shit about to happen to you if you keep doing it?

          • Herpa Derp

            Yup they gonna milk the cow as much as they can you know they will. CCP Scheme is done lolz

  • MaraRinn

    Gold Magnate. A lot of the prose could be tightened up, some sentences are awkwardly wordy.

    EN24, your competition is a bunch of well-educated native English speakers. You really need to lift your game!

  • Pyrexia

    They can simply buy every ticket, and lose 15% or whatever the value is,
    so for every 100 mil you can without get 85 mil, or whatever back just
    by buying every ticket. We all understand that it’s an out of game
    lotto, but the fact of the matter is Somer was getting real money, and
    was essentially giving out something in game fore that real money.

    Not
    to sound all tinfoil or anything but If CCP said it was ok, how long do
    you think it would take a smart organization like Goonswarm to set up a
    lotto, it’s probably better isk then renting space, or moon mining.
    Mittani has already been joking about starting up a lotto site when all
    this shit all started, and well he was joking, often times when he jokes
    about things, it actually ends up happening(killing old NC, OTEC).
    It’s a slippery slope, if they let Somer keep doing it then anyone can,
    and without question will.

    Sidenote: I saw this yesterday I think….

    www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1pdj2o/first_ccp_response_to_affiliate_link_rmt_schemes/

  • imsosly

    Somer is an unofficial tool of CCP. It is an ISK VACUUM. It is rigged. It uses bots and fake accounts to play against players. STOP USING BLINK. YOU ARE RUINING EVE!

    Somer Blink is a very dangerous cancer. It introduces items ingame that are not player made. STOP USING BLINK!!

    • intelligent citizen

      fucking lunatic who are you alex jones?

    • Simon pieman

      Ok, fair enough, ill tell you what, you prove anything you said and ill never play blink again.

      Tinfoil twat detected.

      • CCP DerPenner

        Still this would explain a lot of shit.

      • Gothic Light

        I’m not him but I’ll go ahead and do it for him:

        ” It is an ISK VACUUM. It is rigged.” – All casino’s are currency vaccuums, they are mathematically rigged in the favour of the house. If they do not do this, they are not in business very long. I have a hard time believing you are disputing this FACT.

        ” It introduces items ingame that are not player made.” – Also, obviously, true. CCP gave them items in game, not produced by players, this does in a way break the sandbox.

        As to the rest of his statements, I’m in agreement it’s complete tinfoil hattery. But you did say “prove _anything_ you said and ill never play blink again.” So I assume you’ll be deleting your blink account.

        • Simon pieman

          Actually the items were given to employee’s as a thank you not as items to be won which i do believe was what he was trying to say, but yes of course the buy ins are rigged for them to make money, or of course they would go bust.

          House always wins of course and account deleted :)

    • yes

      I want to believe this. I choose to believe this.

  • imsosly

    Can you imagine the kind of logistics it would take to mine resources for, POSes, build time, BPCs, etc it would take to pump out cap ship after cap ship every minute??? You are right, at the rate Somer gives a cap ship it would literally be impossible for ANY ingame entity to do this. This is proof that Somer is a scam. They are handed ships by the hundreds by CCP.

    • entity

      There is an outsourcing to a vast amount of manufacturing entities for these contracts, not just a single one.

    • Nyan Lafisques

      I’m pretty sure that most of the big ships aren’t even handled to the winners, they may just take the credits or cashing the ISK value instead.

    • superspy17

      This is a gross misunderstanding of how Somer is used… the time taken and sales tax involved in receiving the item, listing and then selling is greater than the difference between the buyout price and the current buy prices.

      You invest ISK in Somer (or real money, your choice) and gamble your money based on the odds in front of you. The goal is to increase your credit balance, not win ships. If you win a ship you want, great! – else who cares. Via API they know exactly how much stock they have, and via the likes of cache scrapers such as eve-central they know exactly how much they can buy one for if they don’t have stock.

      I suspect they actually end up contracting around 1% of items won, if not significantly less.

  • Dark Distric

    Anyone that thinks Somerblink is legit, just take a look.

    cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=92005594

    Active on SOMER Blink as early as Aug. 13th 2011, and has won 1,278,908,002,600 ISK

    evewho.com/pilot/Princess+Darknight

    Character was actually created 2012/05/10

    Who knows how many characters they have doing this.

    • Anhenka

      As it is with this sort of subject, fools like you come out of the woodwork.

      A Somer account is tied to a specific character, if the owner of the character sells, trade, gives away or loses access to the character, or even just wants to move the account to another char, you contact Somer and have the account moved to the new char, resulting in a Somer account that is older than the character it is attached to.

      • heh…..

        Cool story bro.

        • hahahhaa

          Somer damage control incoming !!

      • lol’d

        DAMAGE CONTROL TO SECTOR 3A

        SOMER’S BEEN HIT!

      • Somer DCII Active

        Too much descriptive information = Hello Andrev Nox!

        • Anhenka

          God I wish. Better than being broke and not enough time to play eve much.

      • Somer DCII Active

        Weren’t you the one Andrev who was always putting on your thread to post with your main?

        • Anhenka

          Um… no. I only ever posted once on the Somer thread, and it was ignored because it was not a mouth frothing support of one position or another. You’re thinking of someone else.

          Aside from that I don’t think I have ever posted anything regarding Somer on the forums. Mostly I post in Science and Industry on the rare occasion I post at all.

  • Muul Udonii

    As is becoming increasingly frequent here, I read your headline, and I read your article, and I don’t actually see how your article talks about the headline.

    CCP stated the EULA is as it has always been? Is that the point of this?

    • funny stuff

      What are you? illiterate?

      The headline is “Somer Blink’s Bonus gets closed down”

      The story says that nobody, SOMER Blink included can give away bonuses for the sale of GTC’s. SOMER Blink was for some reason was exempt from this rule for some unknown reason.

  • bob

    community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/

    “10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise
    arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game
    services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.”

    Some blinks lotteries themselves are a violation of the TOS. They are trading in game items for out of game activities.

    • Chris

      You send money to Somer Blink. You might have a ship contracted back to you or you might have isk sent back to you. The only thing the Somer Blink site does is facilitate whether or not you get anything back.

      I guess other fan made sites that are basically harmless such as EOH Poker or eve-bet should be taken down if that’s the case.

      • It’s pretty clear

        Is gambling on Somer blink an “in-game sales of in-game services or items”? Because if it isn’t they are violating the TOS.

      • Dumbass lol…

        Those other sites don’t give you isk to bet with when you buy a GTC off them……. And somerblink isn’t shutting down, it’s just not giving away isk to bet with when you buy a GTC off them…. Can you even read?

        • Chris

          Where did I say it was. Can you even read?

          • lulz

            You can get like 80% of whatever credits they give you out by simply buying every ticket, so you get 160 mil isk for buying a GTC from them, and they get like two or three dollars…… is it really that hard to understand how that is real money trading for in game currency? Do you even lift…..er read?

          • Chris

            Holy shit can you not comprehend what I’m saying.

            I was referring to the person who stated the gambling on somer blink, in and of its self, is a violation of the TOS. IT HAS NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH A GTC.

          • Hi

            Rage more my friend, rage more.

  • Simon pieman

    The envy in the comment section is strong today.

    • Felix

      I can honestly say I wouldn’t mind being the only person that CCP let RMT, I wouldn’t say it’s envy, but sure being the only entity that is aloud to RMT in the game sounds pretty appealing to me.

      • Simon pieman

        If they have made the 135k that has been put about think how much they have made CCP, this will not effect somerblink, i promise you that.

        Buying ETCs through somer gives you blink credits not isk.

        • Max

          Blink credits can easily turned into isk, you just buy every ticket in a lotto, and lose 15% or whatever markup happens to be so 170 mil per GTC. It won’t hurt CCP one way or another, if someone need game time they buy game time.

        • Me

          Sounded like you just implied that those GTC’s wouldn’t have been sold without Somer Blinks help. But you couldn’t be that naive… could you?

  • Toxic74

    The big question is? Are the players that bought the GTC’s through SOMER Blink at fault; and therefore subject to action from CCP for participating in and RMT?

    • Deifirtep

      Better question: are they at fault for buying GTCs from Shattered Crystal or Markee Dragon (who, by the way, is the person you buy GTC from through SOMER Blink), or any other authorized retailer? At best they are at fault for taking an incentive (bonus ISK for gambling on SOMER’s site) by getting their ISK through Markee Dragon – who possibly kicks back some cash to somer’s site which does cost money to operate.

      Right or wrong Those tare operational realities.

  • Gambling always ends one Way

    The problem with Sommer that CCP doesn’t see.
    Just like in real life gambling Sommer is often the last stop a player makes before abandoning EvE. Player A becomes bored goes to Sommer and is surprised by how easily some isk was made. Player A then continues to gamble taking bigger and bigger risks to recover losses. Play A always ends up bust because the laws of chance say he must and Sommer is built like any Casino to take more ISK then paid out. Player now broke and bored leaves EvE altogether and doesn’t come back. I wonder if CCP really knows how many players they loose through Sommer. Perhaps most players that leave EvE?

    • Tony Abbott

      No most players that leave eve do it within the first 6 months because the game doesn’t appeal to them because they aren’t used to EVE’s style of play and the PvP.

      • Kitty Cat

        EVEs pvp playstyle is like a gypsy fight… 10 vs 1 or blob vs 1
        I know i know its a game and a sandbox and you should join a big group so you can OUTblob the other blob, i dont know about the typical Eve player, but i I for myself wanna have fun in games….
        Dont get me wrong, im not bitter or a noob who lost a hulk to a gank, but you all need to understand that people wanna play to have fun.
        and btw, FW is not fun either…. to get blobed even in a plex, now thats just sad :(
        For my part i had fun in Eve, but its time to say goodbye and look for fun elsewhere. Eves pvp style .. yeah

        • shittycat

          “I know I know its a game” bla bla bla…
          So long, and thanks for playing. Glad to hear you won’t be coming back to cry some more.

          • Kitty Cat

            Best pro answer ever… And this is another example of why i quit.
            Why you cannot accept an opinion of others when its defferent from yours? If someone has a different opinion then he is “crying” ? Thats pretty pathetic.
            I dont cry, i just simply outgrow your “mafia” playstyle, where with numbers you kill the weak and small… // i dont need to compensate my p.. with a game :) //
            But hey, what ever suits your playstyle, right?
            So, bye and thank you for the fish.

        • m

          hot dropping people with my freinds is fun…

        • indy

          NO the reason people leave EVE is that in eve u need isk, to get isk, the most obvious and popular way I think is to farm it by mining or running some sort of sites, missions annomalies or what have you. And here is the problem… Farming isk is like work, its boring, it doesn’t require much skill really just patience, I watch movies while farming… Im sure other people do the same… the rewards in the common annomalies are just not high enough per hour to pay for the only fun(ish) thing in this game- PVP
          a bassic bomber fith a fitting costs 50 mill… thats two forsaken hubs in catch..
          PLEX are 600+ mill in jita now… and and if u want to pay for eve with real money… its now 15pounds per month! used to be 10… Why did it get more expensive while the game did not really get any better (blue donouts and all) and after the changes made to annoms some time back and getting rid of chain rating etc its much harder to make isk which drives people out.
          Is this a way of trying to get more real money out of players?! Well done, plenty of people already left, many more will leave which will further fuck the content up for the existing players, so the quality goes down and prices go up constantly.
          As the result of the damage control it is no longer the case that when u look at the supposed number of players in a corp or alliance u should devide it by 3 to get the number of real people, its now 5 or 6 because in order to cope with the price rises people invest their real money in things like ISBoxer to be able to farm better with 5 accounts at the same time and pay for plex and their pvp ships. Its much cheaper than the damn gametime. And then we have 6 ceos pvping with 6-8 accounts each at the same time so 48 ships + say 40 line corp members 3 accounts each (120) + 100 randomly recruited semi-new members with an average of 1.5 accounts (150) = there is your mighty fleet of over 300 ships, there is your 3000 man alliance.
          uhh i could go on…

          • or what

            the reason we put value on our ships, capitals, supers and titans and anything in EVE (any lots of othr stuff in the real world) is because it requires effort and time (not neccesarily skill) to obtain them. If you’d take that away people’d care less about the stuff.

          • Ur Stupid

            You don’t need ISK to have fun. 1 or 2 level-4 mission a day will fund a frigate loss per day. Frigate PvP is definitely the best sort of PvP, more intense etc. There is not one single reason why people leave EVE, but some leave it because of the learning curve. Some, it’s time dedicated to it, others, simply get bored. Please stop making up a conclusion to as why people leave the game as a single reason.

            The whole ‘EVE has got worse with all the blue doughnut thing’, two things, one entity controls the entire west/north, one entity controls the entire east and another 2 smaller entity controls the south. CFC hate the N3, N3 hate the CFC, sov wars starting in christmas I reckon. Oh, and you always have black legion and the like to brawl against.

            The other thing, CCP doesn’t change the game in that concept you moron. The players have made it into a few massive entities, NOT CCP.

    • waltari

      Hell yeah and whos fault it is that player A gets bored?

    • Ur Septim

      I know more than a dozen of people from my corp who used Somer who quit the game after their isk magically disappear gambling it.

    • Sighs

      IT IS REAL LIFE GAMBLING. Just because you can’t win any real life money back doesn’t make it not gambling.

  • waltari

    Butthurt is strong within this one.

  • LOL.

    finally.

  • Durk

    Personally I don’t mind RMT, but if you are going to (pretend to) enforce rules on it I think it’s only normal that those rules apply to this situation as well and that Somer is indeed indulging in a form of RMT.

    • Deifirtep

      The question is, however: were they actually RMTing? Did Somer sell isk/items in exchange for real Cash? Technically, there is an approved method to RMT by CCP: it is called PLEX or GTC. You pay cash for it and can convert it into game time or ISK. Given the only evidence to point to any real cash being involved is when GTC resellers are referred from the somer blink site in exchange for bonus isk for gambling, they cannot be charged with RMTing in the non-legal sense CCP has set up.

  • Guest

    What I don’t understand is why play outside the game to play the game? Eve poker, Somer Blink and the likes are nothing more than a site where your isk get magically disappear!

    • Ur Stupid

      Because it’s gambling to make even more ISK out of your own ISK, magic!

    • Yuss

      Which also, coincidentally, encourages more PLEX sales.

  • User joined your channel

    Ban SomerBlink NOW! ban all gambling!

  • Raketemensch

    OK, now have fun policing that rule.

  • Bye Bye Eve

    Another CCP screw up! These guys really are on a roll!!! (Egosoft, Frontier and Cloud Imperium must be laughing their ass out right now).

  • BAJRAN BALI
    • It’s a crime BTW.

      They appreciate it when other people make them lots and lots of money. CCP probably noticed a huge rise in PLEX sales and traced it to somer blink. Hoping nobody official will notice that they have essentially encouraged underage gambling and gambling with no independent oversight.

  • CCP CARE

    summer scum ends now :D

  • tara read

    About fucking time.

  • downwithsomer

    They are not shut down yet… still offering the RMT bonus.

  • meh

    to be fair i only ever used the bonus when buying gtcs… i won a carrier, rorqual, numerous frigs, dictors, bc, a sin, numerous cruisers t1 t2 & a tengu.

    • Devore

      How interesting that everyone I talk to has never lost money on Somer. At least no more than a few million. This must be the winningest casino on the planet. I wanna hear from the guy who spent trillions, bought thousands of dollars of Plex, and never won a single thing. He must exist, because someone has to be funding all those carriers people are walking off with. It’s like one guy, losing everything.

      • Deifirtep

        No one wants to hear from a loser…. more importantly, no one wants to admit to being that loser. ;)

      • Rob Travers

        I won here and there, but I am without question down a couple hundred mil, and I have never won a promo despite taking part in perhaps 1500+(defining the odd by three to four times. It’s a gamble, and the house always wins, so that means more people are down then up, regardless of if they care to admit it or not.

        I only use eve-bet now, because it at least doesn’t feel like it’s no blind luck like somer blink is.

      • Aonus_the_blaster_maniac

        just cuz people lose isk over blink doesnt mean its bad. ive had my fair share of losses, and so with other people i know. ive had a friend play blink and made a few bill, also lost a few bill. that “few bill” was around 27bill at one point.

        ive also played and won a gripload, most ive ever lost was about 6 bill in a single day. u win some, u lose some. just have to know how to deal with it.

      • Endovior

        I dropped some cash on them to take advantage of the going out of business sale. I got back about half of the credit I was awarded. Not exactly huge winnings; all told, I don’t think I got much more than I would’ve if I’d just bought PLEX from CCP directly and sold them in Jita. Not exactly a huge loss, really, but also not really a moneymaking proposition.

  • Deifirtep

    The title is quite misleading. But essentially it does address the the problem any PLEX/GTC seller or re-seller (Blink included) can run into: items for cash. While not strict RMTing (selling of ISK for cash) the issue at hand is one of perception.

    Bundled items into plex/gtc sales is what is commonly known as Value Added – it gives an incentive for a person to purchase from you instead of your rival. What CCP is doing, in order to calm this overblown issue, is to tell all PLEX/GTC sellers to stop bundling. This will also mean that Blink will have to stop giving bonus ISK for directing PLEX sales to M.Dragon.

  • Deifirtep

    If Somer’s sole focus was the use of ISK in gambling for items then there is certainly no RMTing going on. What clouds it is when you funnel PLEX/GTC sales through SOMER. Had SOMER stuck solely with ISK for items gambling, then this would not be the overblown “controversy” that is is. In the end it is much ado about nothing.

  • Herpa Derp

    i.imgur.com/fXUgWMO.png
    Wow just fucking wow Milk that you whore milk it Fucking bullshit CCP forced everyone else to Stop Immediately yet Look at Blink fucking bullshit pure and simple.

    • David

      If you read the post by Katarina Reid, they gave ALL resellers 10 days to stop. They didn’t “force everyone else to stop immediately”

      • Herpa Derp

        Yes they Did Dude Ask Shattered Crystal and Markee fucktwat He told everyone but Somer they had to stop Go read the forums man.

        • David

          Or you can read the forum post by katarina (nicely included in this article), which states that Shattered Crystal indicated they had 10 days… the same 10 days Markee has, which is why Somer can continue to use them as a reseller. You need to work on your reading comprehension

  • Online Casino By Proxy

    You are all missing the point. Its not about RMT.

    If you really want to know why CCP gave Somer a big pat in the back, it’s a thank you for all the money Somer has made CCP with its illicit “play” gambling though PLEX sales.

    If there was no PLEX then Somer would be okay. But PLEX exists and as a result ISK has a very real currency value. PLEX is essentially chips for Somer. Gambling laws don’t come into effect when people start making ‘real money’. The gambling laws exist to protect normal people from profiteering. CCP is profitting by proxy from somer blink. They are walking on a very dangerous line.

    • Herpa Derp

      Must Be Somer Bitch did CCP piss in your Corn Flakes aww poor little bitch go cry a river.

  • UncoveringCCP

    Wow. Is this massive debate on ccp breaking their own RMT eula rules still ongoing. TBH,it is simple. If ccp does not want RMT, then stop all vendors. Therefore as for RMT goes, if oyu buy plex from ccp, its classed as RMT. You are giving real money for plex. Therefore CCp should also stop selling plex. Which would be retarded. CCP back their lapdogs that make them money. Do any of you honestly think ccp cares? All they want to do is make sure they get money into their back pockets. Who cares what the public thinks, they will still do it without you knowing. As long as CCP makes money, they don’t care. The put on a caring facade maybe, but what is truly behind that facade? That is the question you should be looking at. What is behind the facade of deception by ccp. Ccp is pretentious, and hide behind a facade of “we care about our players”. That’s not the case. You all get played like fools. From everything i have seen, and heard, and gotten from witnesses, and all the publications over the years from the community and ccp. You are being played by the biggest con-artist/thief there is in eve online. I am astonished that you all complain, knowing that you are and have been over the years, been played by them. Then again, maybe not, as businesses generally feed on ignorant stupids.

  • guest

    For the vast majority of Blink players, it was just a fun gimmick. Because of a few jerks, CCP robs content from us all once again.