Nosy gamer reported a funny exchange during Fanfest: “One player wondered why not just go after the people running level 5 missions and other high value content who don’t buy anything and just transfer the ISK to other characters. One of the PL guys shot back that he’s run 30 level 5 missions in a day, does that make him a bot?”

If you think about it, it’s not that funny after all, rather a design problem. Whatever way you make money, you already paid its fixed costs: you have the account(s), skills, ships, structures, group membership, capital, whatever needed to get your income running. For example the miner has mining and boost account, skilled and equipped with ships. These are upfront costs, you have to pay them before you make a single ISK. However after you have them, you have very little running costs, besides your own time. This means that the more hours you run your ISK making operation, the more efficiently you make ISK. Again the miner example: you have to pay 700M/month for the account running. If you mine with 20M/hour, than your income for the first 35 hours is zero. If you mine 70 hours a month, you get 10M/hour. If you mine 10 hours a day, you get 17.7M/hour.

The above scheme makes no-life playing the optimal way of getting ISK. Since others recognized it (like the PL guy in the example), they can easily market you out, to the point when you are better off not setting up an ISK making scheme, just convert PLEXes. With the example: a miner who doesn’t mine 35 hours a month (more than an hour/day) can’t even pay for his mining account. If your competitors are no-lifers, than your options are “go no-life”, “pay with real money” and “be irrelevant”.

Obviously mining, missioning, ratting or even updating market orders for 10 hours a day is anything but fun. But you have to do it to remain competitive. The solution? Get a bot! For the Monday post I ran a farm for lot of hours. Despite the farm was designed exactly for as little human interaction as possible, I very much wished to get a bot do it for me (I didn’t of course as I won’t lose my account for one-time farm). The mentioned farm also made it clear how repetitive and simple EVE PvE is and how horribly easy it would be to program a bot to do it.

Botting cannot be defeated as long as it’s the only way for people who don’t have 10 hours a day to farm or several hundred dollars a month to spend on a video game. My 40-50B/month translate to $1000-1200, you have to pay that to be able to do the stuff I do. Or you can rat 4-500 account-hours a month, because learning to trade is “not fun”.

The solution of the problem is that the honest answer to the question of the PL guy is “yes, you are a bot and this must stop”. Several MMOs faced the same problem and solved it with lockouts. You can’t farm the “Siege of Orgrimmar” raid in WoW all day to get the best available gear. You can run it once a week and that’s it. This places a limit on no-life farming. The same could be implemented in EVE. I suggest an account-wide pool and daily replenishment rate for the 5 forms of PvE:

  • Mining: 21 hours pool, 3 hours/day replenish. While any mining or gas harvesting module is active, your pool is depleted. When the pool is empty, you can no longer activate miners.
  • Shooting NPCs: 21 hours pool, 3 hours/day replenish. While any offensive module is cycling or drones are in combat against an NPC, you are depleting your pool. When it’s empty, killing NPCs yield no bounty, finish no mission and gives no wreck. You can manually lock your pool to prevent belt or gate rats eating it, but of course you get no rewards for killing them with pool locked. The lock-unlock has 15 minutes delay to prevent “smart” players pick battleships and then lock out low-bounty rats.
  • Exploration: 280 items pool, 40/day replenish. Whenever you start the hacking minigame on a new container, you use one item from the pool. If the pool is empty, you cannot activate relic or data analyzer.
  • Trading: 2100 orders pool, 300/day replenish. Whenever you create or or update a market order, your pool is depleting. When it’s empty, you can’t create or update orders. Buying an existing sell order or selling to a buy order does not affect the pool.
  • Courier contracts and distribution missions: 700 jumps pool, 100/day replenishment. Every session change count as one jump if you have mission or contract package in the hold. If you are autopiloting, the pool no longer decreases after the first 5 jumps, as autopiloting doesn’t need you to run a bot or be a no-lifer.

With such changes, no-life playing would become impossible. As no one else is playing no-life, you don’t have to either to remain competitive. In the absence of no-life playing, there would be no activity worth botting. Also the game would become much-more casual friendly as the profits of a normal playing session would no longer be pocket change compared to no-lifers and bots. But above all, the ISK making aspects would become a competitive game instead of a grind. Finding the best asteroids would matter for a miner, instead of just “can’t care less, I mine all day anyway”.

– Gevlon Goblin

PS: I knew it’s not a waste of time looking up smaller CFC members. Special thanks to Marlona Sky for the list!
Update: evidence that loot fairy is a CFC supporter!
Finally a small, but symbolic kill.


  1. google fuck me

    August 15, 2019 at 05:32 Reply
  2. The majority of the richest women in the world inherited their money but there are others who have built successful businesses, or even used incredibly wise investing strategies.

    August 15, 2019 at 21:50 Reply
  3. Menlif eis een mannenblog. Een online magazine voor mannen

    August 15, 2019 at 22:03 Reply
  4. child porn

    August 18, 2019 at 05:41 Reply
  5. I just want to say I am newbie to weblog and absolutely savored your web-site. Almost certainly I’m likely to bookmark your blog post . You surely have terrific article content. Thanks for sharing your website.

    August 18, 2019 at 06:39 Reply
  6. zaman kaybetme bebeim cek git bursa escort

    August 20, 2019 at 01:58 Reply
  7. thank you web site admin

    August 21, 2019 at 05:50 Reply
  8. You ought to indulge in a contest for just one of the best blogs on-line. I will recommend this page!

    August 21, 2019 at 08:07 Reply
  9. thank you web site admin

    August 25, 2019 at 07:14 Reply
  10. Short Haircuts Models, Like always, short haircuts top the list of best short haircuts. Pick one from the Short Haircuts Models and get ready to look trendy. Short Haircuts Models straight hair then you can go for the stylish angular. Short Haircuts Models, Do the trick it to state there are alternatives. You can generally keep your popular new charming short hair style by waving a fun shading pattern like rose gold hair…

    August 26, 2019 at 08:12 Reply
  11. Relaxing Music, Sleeping Music, Sleep Meditation, Deep Sleep Music, Calm Music, Relax, Study

    August 26, 2019 at 11:31 Reply
  12. thank you web site admin

    September 1, 2019 at 09:29 Reply
  13. Personality is a person among persons. There is no personality of one man on a desert island. (Kilpatrick)

    September 2, 2019 at 15:39 Reply
  14. I am assisting some close friends get their store on the map and also discovered. They have a website. One of the methods my research study to optimize a website is to make use of a blog. I am not blog site savvy and also neither are they so need a little help as to excellent websites to place there blog site to ensure that they obtain discovered.

    September 10, 2019 at 05:23 Reply
  15. I’m trying to find clothes as well as design concepts at an affordable costs for a woman over 25 … Any person recognize any great sites or blog sites?. Seems like whatever I locate is either tailored toward teens or is remarkably expensive couture … Many thanks!.

    September 15, 2019 at 07:09 Reply
  16. thank you web site admin

    September 16, 2019 at 00:33 Reply
  17. Aw, this was an extremely good post. Finding the time and actual effort to make a great article… but what can I say… I procrastinate a lot and don’t seem to get anything done.

    September 17, 2019 at 15:51 Reply

Leave a Reply