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I wrote that according to the killboard statistics, Goonwaffe members are fleetbears, ratting outside of stratops while inner (and most probably outer) pets are PvP-ers, running small-gang ops when not fighting main battles. This isn’t by mistake, the Goon leadership enforce pets to have PvP culture by strict performance measurements, while allows carebearing for pure blood Goons. In result, Goonwaffe has serious income from ratting, PI and other taxes, while pet corps are impoverished and depend financially on top-down income sources like moons and renters who are controlled by the Goon leadership.

When I mentioned this article on the forum, Mynnna instantly appeared, commenting “The problem with your theory is that ratting taxes only make us 100b a month.” At first 100B/month isn’t “just”, if we compare it to other nullsec income sources. The peak of the “unbeatable” Tech Empire was 2T/month. For the whole CFC, 40K pilots it’s 50M/pilot/month. 100B for 4K Goonwaffe is half of that, 25M/pilot/month. And he didn’t say anything about POCO taxes (the nullsec ones), broker fees in VFK and such. So it’s not a bad income by nullsec standards (of course it’s laughable for highsec traders).

However we shouldn’t believe the master bee market manipulator, but use tools at our disposal to determine the truth. The easiest tool is Dotlan. It has nice toplists for various statistics, including NPC kills in the last 24 hours. Look at this screenshot (made on 2014.02.06), with added logo of the Sov-holder of the system:


Now, look at that! On the toplist of “greatest carebear systems” 6 out of 10 belong to Goonswarm, 3 belong to renters and only one other belongs to another Sov-null entity.

Dotlan also have longer term statistics, for 2014 and 2013:


All the other regions in the toplist are highsec-dominated Empire. Deklein ratters (guess who lives there!) managed to beat several highsec regions! According to Dotlan, in 2013 there were 991,544,111 NPC kills in nullsec. Just in Deklein there were 80,426,202 and Goons have Sov elsewhere where they surely killed more NPCs. So Goons did about 10% of total carebearing in nullsec in 2013. Since in highsec there are no large PvE alliances (because of wardecs), we can claim without doubt that Goonswarm Federation is literally the largest carebear group of New Eden. An average Goon pilot (not player) killed 6540 NPCs in Deklein. In highsec 2065M NPCs were slain. So unless highsec has less pilots than 325K (which is unlikely), an average Goon is bigger carebear than an average “highsec pubbie”!

Deklein got to the top 10 NPC kills region in August 2013. Since then their percentage of total nullsec NPC kills just grows:


With the current trend, by the end of 2014, Goons will do 15% of total carebearing of nullsec and almost 5% of the total EVE population while they are about 2% of the total population!

We also have a pretty accurate way to determine the Goon income from carebearing. There is an obvious opportunity cost of having GSF ratting space: GSF renter space! I mean they could just rent it out trough Greater Western co-prosperity sphere. Their rental rules give the price calculation method, and dotlan gives all needed system info for GSF sov space: truesec, stations, belts, ice belts. I imported the dotlan table to Excel, put the price formula in and got 900B/month rent income without even counting dead-end systems premiums. According to their rental database, 23% of their systems are available, due to renter rotation (Lemmings have a dozen ex-renters wardecced due to automatically inheriting the wars).

So GSF could get about 700B/month rent if they turn into a “pure PvP” alliance that stages near the war front and doesn’t do PvE on main chars, since they could rent their current Sov out. Of course no need to go black and white, they could simply move the Sov of a few dozen systems to the renters. Why don’t they? The only reason is that the two incomes are currently near the optimum, I mean by renting out a system they gain as much rent as they lose on ratting and other taxes. Which means very nice 700B/month tax income. Of course not all GSF is Goonwaffe, so some of this tax goes to other corps, but not much, since they were forced to purge their carebears. This income is in the magnitude of the top-down sources which is distributed among pets to keep them dependent.

There is another approximation method: the NPC bounties are approximately a 50T/month ISK faucet. They were 32T two years ago when Diagoras tweeted it and they are the main ISK faucet. As PLEX price is more or less the indicator of ISK wealth, we can safely assume 1.5x growth. In highsec and lowsec bounties are low, as mission LP is the main income. So let’s guess the nullsec NPC bounties 35T/month. As we seen that Goons are killing 10% of nullsec NPCs, they get 3.5T/month bounties. With 15% tax, the alliance makes 525B/month just from ratting taxes. If we add refine fees, broker fees, POCO taxes, we get the same 6-700B.

This is what Goons wanted to cover up by yelling “pubbie carebear” to everyone who isn’t them. They didn’t want pets and enemies to know that their power lies in carebearing. Without clear example of a successful nullsec carebear alliance, the others kept believing in “pure PvP”, therefore both their pets and enemies remained weak. I’ve long told that power comes not from “skillz” or “morale” or even “numbers”, but from ISK. After B-R, no one can doubt it. Before that, you kept believing in that social nonsense, while Goons ran their empire just as I suggested (they did it first of course): lot of carebears, who only fleet up for stratops and ignore the pointless lolPvP of fishing fleets, roams, camps.

Now the rest of nullsec have two choices: one is sticking to the “PvP” ethos and being beaten into NPC space or pethood. The other is carebearing harder than Goons by opening their alliances to fleetbears. If you don’t want to spend the rest of EVE in Empire or as a Goon pet, make sure your alliance leadership sees this article. Link it in your corp forum and such, let it be known who are the biggest carebears of EVE.

- Gevlon Goblin

PS: considering how much hate the Goons spew on “carebears”, while them being the biggest carebears of EVE, maybe this Wikipedia article worth reading.

If you would like to read more Gevlon Goblin articles, we invite you to visits his Greedy Goblin blog.

  • Anhenka

    For Cthulhu’s sake 24, I thought you guys had better taste than to let this guy continue posting articles.

    I know you are hard scraped for content at times. but THIS IS NOT THE SOLUTION!

    • GrouchyOldGamer

      Glevon’s full time job is writing about Goons ….. oh and taking our pocos.

    • Chris

      This is actually one of his better ones….

  • Synisterspyderbite

    The biggest carebear of eve is Glevon. :p

    • Verenikin

      The biggest retarded cuntnugget in Eve is Gevlon.

  • Razor is your Daddy

    He does have a point.

    • lol

      And a set of 8 warp core stabilizers to back him up

  • Bawk Bawkbagawk

    shut. the. fuck. up.

  • carebear

    Even though the guy is foaming from the mouth, it’s actually his less awful article…

  • shut up

    shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up

    • Verenikin

      Confirming he needs to stop existing.

    • The Obvious

      ^^^Mittens posting anonymously

  • zm

    why do they keep letting you post crap…you MUST work for foxnews…always trying to start shit when there is no story..

    • Verenikin

      He’s pretty much as accurate and unbiased as Fox News is!

      • zm

        naaa, fox prolly wouldnt even take him

    • The Obvious

      As much as I can do without the opinion at the end, fact is fact. Factually goons are carebears.

    • Billbo

      GG is bringing us forum content, and thus doing the Gods work.

  • Fartolio

    I just wonder why you are so… i can’t say butthurt. Just…dunno, maybe in a disperate need of attention? Are you a overweighted chick or something alike?? You really have absolutely no clue how this game works, if you posted that. Yeah, this article is accurate and documented. So what? Make your own alliance, go to null and smash the goons. But this works not that easy as killing retrievers, isn’t it? And paying mercs to do that won’t help. I rofl every time i remember that Marmite did bite on that. No, i have no comments on the Lemming guy. I simply can’t.

    • Verenikin

      No, he’s an autistic brat who funds an alliance that wages war against the CFC and their “pets” aka Red Vs Blue in highsec. That’s right, waging war against Goons in highsec. He’s terribly good at making ISK, but terribly bad at pretty much everything else.

      • Tim

        Except RvB is waging war against him on behalf of the Goons.

    • Failure

      Stopped reading at ‘overweighted’. Should have stopped reading at ‘Fartolio’, but I’ve never been able to resist mocking the afflicted. Sadly, even for me, this was too much.

  • Homophobic John

    Grr goons, also why are you alive still?

  • troll

    Well that explains why their main subcap ship is Dominix – “hurr, durr, the big red cross is primary” yells CFC elite PvE FC.

    Though it’s so funny how times have changed – from carebear hating alliance to “stealth” PvE alliance who also has become one of the bigges renters of EvE. Maybe TEST needs to offer some protection to those newly discovered carebears?

  • obvious is OBVIOUS DURRR

    Breaking news! Goons are carebears! More at 11

    • PvP pro

      Razor is the muscle in the CFC.

      • Some N3 scrub

        Can I join you?

      • Robo

        Razor is the muscle of the cfc and that says a lot since they are shite.
        Goons have a few good FCs and organisation skills of high regard, nothing more, nothing less.

        • what else do you need?

        • Wolfduke

          Yes…. but of course you are.

  • JK

    Good article, best way to make CFC bleed is hit their renters.

    • Wolfduke

      Because that would stop Deklein being in the top 10 ratted systems….how?

  • Billbo

    So basicly GG is saying “TNT” are the biggest jews in the coaliton, if you were to also compare Strat Op PAPs….

    • Airke Label

      GSF has the worst strat. ops participation by far out of anyone in the CFC, funny enough FA actually has one of the best.

      • Wolfduke

        Lmao, based on what? Feel free to post screenshots of this so called evidence before making shit up (fyi GSF != GEWNS, a corporation)

        • Bla

          The participation stats on the Goon forums say enough

  • wtf is this?

    GG please go suck start a shotgun.

    • Roy Smokesalot

      Dude needs to go back to WoW

      • wtf is this?

        Wow doesn’t want him either thats why he stayed here.

  • JoveBishop

    Bah. You are all so wrong. Of course they are not carebears it’s just their bots doing all the ratting…

  • Some N3 scrub

    So what you are saying GG, is that we (the elite PvPers of N3) are currently getting our ass kicked by elite carebears! Im gona go kill Progod right now!

    • Robo

      If your in N3 then that’s as credible as me saying that I invest my game time in filling Mittens pockets with rmt by simply doing the grand chubby lords bidding…

    • BS

      “the elite PvPers of N3″
      I loled so hard :P

  • Ciaphas Cyne

    haha this is a funny one. you are a bunch of null bears arent u

  • Cry into my wallet

    Confirming most goons have more alts and isk than GG. Jelly tears are sweet and refreshing.

  • heh

    It’s Glevlon, but you know what, not too bad of an article this time.

  • Kama Kairade

    I was completely unaware that the goons were regarded as a PvP alliance. Hell, back in the day I was called a ‘goonfucker’ for petitioning neutral bots in goon-owned systems. Between all of the ratting, scamming, shitposting, and playing the metagame, there’s probably only a hundred real PvPers in all of the CFC. (not that any other alliance is really that different)

  • TEST

    Just confirming what everyone knows already. +1 though for a good laugh.

    • sadleric

      Good numbers though. Nicely done.

  • BS

    WoW, gg acualy wrote decent article… Its kinda interesting, full of interesting facts, and nearly free of bullshit and bragging how cool he is because ganking miners, i have full of isk etc. Im suprised really. Wonder if its just one time hickup, or maybe he acually grow up ?

    • Wolfduke

      Yes, it’s a shame it lacks context and failed to employ more than one singular source *golfclap

      • Playos

        Baby steps… baby steps.

  • Dirk MacGirk

    I don’t think GG understands the concept of alts. Or how to multi-task toons for both ratting and being at the front simultaneously. Especially since the introduction of the drone assist doctrine following pushing TEST and GG’s ass in. It’s actually harder to rat and watch for gankers than it is to take a titan bridge and assist drones to a drone bunny. I mean, I know he does understand those things, but in order to make his case he fails to exhibit that level of understanding. But what it really points out is that not only are coalition coffers quite strong, but so are the wallets of the average members. As for pvp requirements from the alliances outside of GSF proper, that is untrue from a coalition level for anything other than stratops. Individual alliances may have their own peacetime requirements, but that doesn’t emanate from the top of the CFC. Finally, I’m not sure anyone ever said Goons or the CFC in general were bloodthirtsty PVPers always out looking for the next gank or gudfite. Some are, some aren’t and there are various ways individuals, corps and alliances go about finding that sort of content. Including joiningg Miniluv or other groups out looking for Little Miss Gevlon

    • PX5

      GOD! You and everything about you makes me want to hold you down and fart in your mouth. You are a fag.

      • Dirk MacGirk

        Uhm, your statement was a tad gay in spite of also being homophobic. To call it oxymoronic would only serve to highlight you being moronic without actually knowing it. Try using some minimum-level of thought process next time.

        • Roy Smokesalot

          Agree. He wants to love your mouth with his asshole.

      • hey fuck head, yeah you^

        the only way this post could have been more idiotic is if you added no homo to the end.

      • Wolfduke

        Nice employment of homophobia shitlord…

      • tara read

        Please don’t compare gays and lesbians to the likes of Gelvon Goblin. We are fabulous space booty hunters. He is not. Also yeah homophobic slur etc etc.

  • Methylated Spirit

    Get a girl to knock your junk around. Once you’ve been devirginized you will see the article you wrote as a wall of nerd bullshit, just like the rest of us.

    • Andrew Metzger

      Fuck that shit, EVE will never kick me out of the house I pay for and start fucking my cousin.

  • erratic1212

    Always said, they surround themselves with other alliances for protection.

    Goon == carebear cowards.

    It’s why they go to hisec and gank on carebears. They see themselves.

    • http://battorem.blogspot.com/ BattoRem

      and kill lots of titans. you can’t forget about that.

      • Atleast goons don’t Unanchore CSAA’s with a finished Titan in it …
        #baki_yuku #Pandemic_Legion

  • Bummer

    Wow so I wonder how that feels for the Leet PVP alliances to have been beaten by a bunch of carebears, how embarrassing>

  • http://battorem.blogspot.com/ BattoRem

    “This isn’t by mistake, the Goon leadership enforce pets to have PvP culture by strict performance measurements, while allows carebearing for pure blood Goons.” you really don’t know anything about the CFC do you? Leadership just wants their allies to pull their weight. No one yells at me if I decide to make isk during an op. N3 did the same thing with Why So Serious. They were not pulling their weight in fights so they got kicked.

  • [email protected]

    Govlin, you will never win over CFC. All your efforts will always fail. And the problem is not ISKs, but the brain. You dont have what it takes.

    • erratic1212

      umad? oh no, glevon doesn’t want to play with you and your feelings are hurt. lololzzz

  • Black n Blue

    It’s funny because it’s true.

  • Ciaphas Cyne
  • Talurion

    Haha evenews is so bad!
    Goons did the 10% of ratting? Oh boy, they are the biggest alliance around, smartass.
    Tough you are ruled, conquered and pissed inside your cranium by this bounch of carebears. Sweet tears!!

  • lol whot

    first gelvon article i like lol : X

  • Talurion

    Gevlin Goblon…I’m so sorry for you butthurt. Plus your grrgoons attitude is becoming an obsession! I bet that inRL, when you cant find your wallet or your car’s keys, you start to blame mittani.

  • All I could read is “I’m an idiot and trying troll hard with grrgewns”

    • erratic1212

      Oh look, it’s a carebear cry baby.

  • Chris

    Heh. I must say this entertained me.

  • Newt

    “This is what Goons wanted to cover up by yelling “pubbie carebear” to everyone who isn’t them.”
    That, yeah, I can buy that. Most of the Goonies I’ve run across have been shockingly bad at small scale PvP.

    …Which is fine. I don’t know that they’ve *ever* claimed to be “good” or particularly skilled. CFC’s main claims to fame have been bullying, blobbing, and scamming – which are apparently valid game mechanics in Eve, so… I don’t see a problem here.

  • Jack

    I’m AFK ratting on 2 chars in deklein while reading this. Also, fire Glevon.

  • finally

    Is this really written by GG? If so, props for writing something that didn’t make my brain hurt through terrible English and a lack of understandable purpose. This is the first GG article that I’ve enjoyed reading.

    • Hian

      I missed the text at the top stating who wrote the article. And i was a little chocked when i read that it was GG. I immediately decided too, Give Credit where credit is due. so, +1 Goblin.
      (I did however not agree fully with the article)

  • Angus MacDougal III

    Interesting premise, but Gevlon your method for “calculating” GSF ratting tax income is lacklustre to say the least.

    “By renting out a system they gain as much rent as they lose on ratting and other taxes.” Of course the opposite side of this coin is that the rent paid by PBLRD members must amount to no more than 10% of their ratting income, which is, of course, utterly ridiculous. The reason GSF doesn’t rent this space is because a) It has 10,000 members and they need space to use, and b) Its current renter space is still not at maximum capacity.

    As for why there are so many Deklein systems in the top 10 for NPC kills, that’s because it’s the most densely populated space in nullsec. Kind of something you’d expect.

    So yes, GSF members do PvE. This isn’t a secret. But to suggest that the entire alliance is jewing away while coercing their coalition allies into being hardcore PvPers is nonsense (and it takes only a glance at those allies to show how false this is).

  • Tronnic Rhodan

    Why is everyone hating Gevlon?