There is a common view that “good” microtransaction games allow players to just “skip the grind”. There are tons of pages about “time rich” vs “money rich” players. All nonsense. Why? Because games are selling the ability to spend time with something fun, like movies. Try selling the “feature” that would allow you to watch the movie in double speed with chipmunks voice for double price! It wouldn’t get good results.

The players are enjoying the game or they stop playing. Of course there can be less successful parts of the game, but instead of expecting extra pay to skip them, you should fix them, getting a better game which draw more subscribers. No one would try to fill his movie purposefully with boring conversations, just to get money for the ability of skipping them.

To see what is going on here, we need no better example than EVE Online. The canon says that EVE PvP is fun, while grinding is horrible. CCP could just remove the bad part, turning EVE into a permanent PvP, super fun game. It wouldn’t be hard, they just have to remove losses. If your ship just respawns, you can instantly rejoin the fun, without grinding delay.

I doubt if that change would be too popular among players. The unique selling point of EVE is consequences. Your victory means something, you get loot and your opponent suffered a loss: he has to regrind his ship. “The grind” is the punishment for defeat, this is what makes defeat different from victory. In gear-collection MMOs the bosses can be killed in lesser gear if someone dances perfectly. Those who suck must grind early bosses and daily quests for weeks to get gear, compensating for their fails.

You can’t remove “the grind” without removing winning and losing itself. EVE PvP would be a meaningless time sink without losses and gains. If gear could be gained without grinding in WoW, everyone would have top gear on the first week, making killing bosses pointless. In World of Tanks and League of Legends, you need to grind much longer if your stats are bad to reach the next tank/champion, without this, winning and losing would be equal. Of course there are players who want just that, the lolling morons and slackers. But the majority prefers to risk defeat in order to win.

The “bad grind” is the punishment for defeat, it needs to be bad. When the developer offers you the option to “save time” by paying, they are actually offering you to skip the punishment of defeat. This should not be mistaken for “pay to win” where you can skip the defeat itself. If you have money in EVE, your ship can be killed just as easily. You just don’t care as it’s already replaced. Having money in World of Tanks doesn’t save you from your tank being destroyed and the battle lost. But you can repair it and get back to action instead of having to farm with a tier 5 tank to get credits.

These are the pay-not-to-lose games. The reason why players accept it is that they still win and you still lose. He can still destroy your ship, tank or champion and win the battle. The fact that this is just a minor inconvenience for you and not a long grind as it would be for him is hidden from him or he may not even care.

– Gevlon Goblin

His EVE journey show a very interesting “outside the box” approach to the game, PVE and the trade hubs, reason for which we invite you to pay a visit to his blog.

  • Adamski

    I feel as though this article started and then stopped without actually saying anything. Which is an impressive new low.

    • Simon pieman

      I agree, i would go as far as an improvement on past articles (its shorter at least), maybe in the next year or so he’ll do one that’s worth reading 🙂

      • d

        Highly doubtful that anything of worth will ever come out of this guy…

  • NoTech

    Hmm, something is missing here….rly cant put my finger on it….

  • sthap

    “You can’t remove “the grind” without removing winning and losing itself”
    that’s why you’ll always be a wowhead failure. learn more than grind dude.

    • Thomas

      Unless you’re a part of a big alliance with lots of moons and renters, you have to ‘grind’ sometime. If all you love is PvP you still have to repeatedly do some other activity to get the ISK. Gevlon doesn’t grind at all if you’re only thinking of the traditional definition because he trades for his ISK. It’s just that’s not very fun and pretty grindy too

      • Thomas

        And I guess if you’re part of a big alliance, you grind sov, so there’s not really any escaping. Maybe wormhole space or faction warfare is the closest to doing the fun thing itself to earn isk?

  • charlie

    I’d much rather kill someone’s money than their time.

    Once again you miss all the intricacy in your blundering.

  • Thomas

    Depending on the pricing, there is still a punishment for failure (because you’re paying money). It’s more like ‘pay-to-lose-less’, they’re alleviating a fraction of the failure for financial gain

  • Khanhrhh

    Oh my god, you are a dumb piece of shit. Ever the master of missing the point of being human, you seem to strike out every time.

    The whole idea of the games which use micro-transactions to ‘skip the wait/grind’ is that the wait, or grind, is artificially inflated to make the transaction attractive. That’s the point. Not doing this is an intentionally bad experience. Yeah, it’s shitty.

    In the first (and much more common) instance, people are paying to skip downtime, and actually continue playing the game (Candy crush saga, et al) – to say the opposite of this is … well it’s very Gevlon.

    Stick to whacking off to men holding up the world, or whatever else you autistic libertarian shit lords do.

  • RBW

    woah, I actually liked your article. this is a first. now I will say that the point of it is pretty obvious but some points are made to start discussion, not have an epiphany. I will even agree with you that grinding is necessary. At the same time a good game gives you options in how you grind so you are forced into a monotonous, robotic system.

  • Jack

    Didn’t read. Fire Glevon, he’s retarded.

  • Random Miner

    I think gevlon must actually be paying tons of isk to en24 to post here, in order to feel like station traders are relevant and apart of the game. Like he did with test.

    Lord knows no one gives a shit about his miner ganking, helicty, james, and goonies kinda beat him to it by a couple years

  • Blu

    Not this dumbfuck again, Goblin go away no one likes you, you are a moron.

  • Andrew Metzger

    There already is an option to pay more and not have to grind in EVE. It’s called PLEX.
    I pay cash, I save a whole boatload of time, doesn’t seem like nonsense to me.

    • Ciaphas Cyne

      point being its a game. you shouldnt have to pay the game MORE money to get to the good bits. it should be all good bits.

      • BS

        You dont have to pay more. In EvE you dont have to pay at all.

        • Ciaphas Cyne

          missed the point m8

  • Gaylon Goblin

    I suck cocks, when i don’t post bullshit…

  • CommTony

    Were is that guy that said give me goblins address so he can use his gun.. CommTony. convo me ingame.. lets finish this.

    • RBW

      not funny or cute. I don’t like his articles most of the time either, but even in jest don’t threaten someone’s life

    • toughactin

      Screenshot submitted to CCP for real life threats

      • Allied Mastercomputer

        Snitches get stitches.

      • N3Fanbud

        This won’t get a threat because it’s actually anonymous. So, this could have posted anyone..maybe you! Attention whore 😛

  • N3Fanbud

    I didn’t read it. Is it informational and worth to read it? Or just the same Gevlon BULLSHIT as usual?

    He wouldn’t even become some readers if his posts all starts with tits and pussys. Sad Goblin, I am glad not to be you.

  • Unknown

    Couldnt read past “good” micro-transactions. Cmon man. Everyones making fun of you yet your still posting this nonsense. Just please stop.

  • asd

    pls ban Glevon Goblin from this site already

  • Jose G. Garcia

    Why are we so cruel to each other?
    Mr. Goblin brings a topic to the table so we can discuss and it’s obvious we will all not agree but no need to trash the man based on past articles from the author. on this topic I agree that to cut corners or speed up the process is pointless if that’s part of the game. I don’t like to PvP and I’ve found out the hard way I don’t have the time to play Alliance wars. I am content in minning my material to build products and sell them on the marketplace. so I see no reason to put my character on some sort of steriods to achieve anything I do any faster.

    • Alexandre Sartori

      That is why CCP should improve the industrial base of the game….POS and Industry…

  • reality

    for the first time ever, he actually made sense. its…kinda scary.

  • Provi Miner

    hmmm nope the goal of eve is very individualistic. Tom mines so plex’ing and grinding are ok for him. Tim likes to hack his grind and plex’ing are ok, Jill likes to blow people up so buying plex is her grind. We all grind its how we grind that is different. I pay monthly which gets me into the game but I still have to simi grind to do what I want to do (which so far is everything but wormholes and buidling stuff). So most weeks I mine a little, rat a little, hack a little, trade a little, mission a little, moon goo a little, and pvp the other half. While pvp is fun and everything I would get bored (read bitter vet) if that is all I did. So nope the punishment in eve is not grinding. The punishment in eve is not grinding how you want to (cloaky camper keeping you from mining or ratting, reds running loose in the back field can’t hack, tower reinforced can’t moon goo, actually sucks when they all happen together).

  • Billbo

    Goblin making sence in this article, shit just got real…

  • Alan Artemisa

    “they just have to remove losses.”
    I haven’t commented on ANY of your articles, no matter how much I disagreed, but this… Oh god, this.
    EVE players like the fact that there are consequences to victory and defeat. Winning against somebody else doesn’t feel as good when you know there’s barely any loss for him. Going into pvp, against the odds, knowing that you’ll lose a lot when you die is a lot better than going into pvp knowing you won’t lose anything.

    • EHHH

      Thats nice. Though if you kept reading, you wouldn’t have to take us through your thought process.

    • qwero

      He said the same thing like you a few lines later. Reading more than one paragraph is hard, eh?.

  • Hobo

    Do you even read the drivel before you hit the Publish button?

    That’s to the editors, not GG, obviously.

  • Catch me if you can

    I read the article and that just ended up with me asking myself “so what the fuck was the message here?”…

  • CyberSarge

    If I understand your point, people learn over time and through interaction. Combat in Eve is a learning experience whether you lose or you win. If you skip the time or the combat element of learning the player misses something. I am against speeding up the grind because it makes the game fair. Yes you can buy a fully trained character, but I guarantee you will lack some aspect of the ships you new toon can fly.

    • Thomas

      I think he’s more talking about the idea of buying ISK. So lots of people really want to PvP and the things they do to get the ISK to do that are basically grinding time doing things they don’t enjoy. And then if you PLEX some ISK you’re skipping that period and can reship straight away

  • Kama Kairade

    I’m not saying that I’m in-favor of micro transactions, nor am I particularly against them. I’m just saying that if the foundation (first paragraph) of your argument sucks, and any implications (the entire rest of the article) is doomed as well. It’s the same thing you did with the RMT article.

  • Ciaphas Cyne

    holy fuck goblin is making sense for once….although just to make sure I wasn’t disappointed I only read the first paragraph. but yea. fuck grinding and fuck time sinks. lazy devs make lazy games.

    • Master Ochi

      THIS: “lazy devs make lazy games.” Up voted for being so spot-on.

    • Daniel Plain

      this is not the first occurrence of a good goblin post. they are about one in four or so on average. unfortunately, he has already established his reputation as a punching bag for angry overweight teenagers, so the few pearls of wisdom go under in the shitstorm.

  • wtfyoutryingtosay

    EN24 editors: thank you for putting his name at the beginning of the title. This prevents us from starting to read, getting annoyed, wondering how someone can be this dumb, checking the author and then posting shit comments.

    I appreciate this upgrade.

  • anonymous

    So basically this article proposes an idea and then says why the idea would not work in Eve and then goes on to say that being able to buy plex is a good thing? I think I am missing the overall point of this article although I have to admit if it is trying to say that being able to buy plex is a good thing then his reasoning seems to be correct.

  • Needy Goblin

    Shut up you Nigger. You are literally too retarded to write articles on EveNews24. That takes some skill.

  • prophet

    So… you’re saying that people who play the game without paying real money for it suffer a more serious loss than people who spend money on not just game time but also ISK? And that this is a good thing?

    No, I can not figure out how this article makes sense, and what I think I understand is ridiculous.

  • And now its gone…

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK…. I thought you were gone… I was all happy… We were all so happy….

    • -_-

      He is like aids, and EN24 has him.

  • Endo

    Its frustrating that you guys don’t even read the article and just shit on it because of the author. He was explaining the complex relationship of PLEXing in EVE. Nothing more nothing less. It was an interesting article with some food for thought.

    • Lol

      No, he was explaining something he knows nothing about. If you read his blog you’ll realize that he doesn’t “get” the relationship of anything. He falsifies information to fit his world view. He presents his arguments in the form of the most obvious logical fallacies and to add insult to injury he actively moderates contrary views on his blog.

      • Endo

        Sir I stand corrected. That’s a good argument on why you don’t like his articles. Respect.

        • Titshit

          and his writing style is very similar to third grade essays.

      • Sidara Davidson

        Uhm, I do not see it, but maybe you are right.
        Can you show some example here, so I can adjust my PoV on this?

        Thanks.

  • qwer

    I really don’t understand what was the actual point of this article. Not gonna read through again. It was just like pretty average observation about freetoplay/microtransaction games without really having any correlation with the topic

  • arc

    This is one of the few articles that Goblin has written that isn’t completely wrong, though it has no actual point. It’s just random talking.

  • Alex

    Took a shit today, feel like writing about it

  • Ashesofempires

    He’s right that the premise of a micro-transaction based game is to trade real money for a shortcut that allows you to do what you want to do; he’s wrong in trying to compare a shortcut in the game to a double speed movie. The game is designed to be needlessly grindy in order to squeeze money out of anyone who doesn’t have the patience to farm for it. Example: unlocks in BF3, Forza, and other games that force players to spend a long time farming cash or xp for a new gun or car.
    Alternatively, there are pay to win games like World of tanks or Vindictus, where you can set yourself head and shoulders above anyone who doesn’t have either a fuckton of cash or a fuckton of time to invest in the games. League of legends is a poor example; you can buy new champions and whatnot with money, but you can’t buy your way to higher ranks or do anything that will really set yourself apart from the other people in your bracket.
    In the end micro transactions come down to a player’s ability to endure the less enjoyable parts of the game in order to work their way to the better part, or dropping a buck or two to skip the slog. The delicate part that game developers and publishers have to balance is how tedious can they make the grind in order to push people into shortcutting vs. pushing them away entirely. Example: EA alienated a lot of players when they put in the unlocks that allowed you to have the best gear in the game without having to work for it. BF3 and COD on the other hand pulled in a lot of players who wanted to play but didn’t want to suffer at the hands of all of the higher ranked players until they unlocked the OP guns (like the USAS-12). The unlocks allowed newer players to at least compete on the same level, equipment wise if not in terms of skill.

    • Titshit

      TL’DR

  • Dudumarus

    “super fun game. It wouldn’t be hard, they just have to remove losses. If your ship just respawns, you can instantly rejoin the fun, without grinding delay.”— and what is the point for playing anymore? Dude THIS IS NOT WOW TO RESPAWN!!! If i lose my shit im a idiot but when i blow yours is meter for me and for u .FU Goblin

    • qwero

      He said the same thing like you a few lines later. Reading more than one paragraph is hard, eh?

      • Dudumarus

        yep your right 😀

  • Titshit

    oh fuck yeah another goblin post.

    Lets GOoOoOoOo

    *The players are enjoying the game or they stop playing. – #ohgod u so rite bbgurl xoxoxoxo

    *No one would try to fill his movie purposefully with boring conversations, just to get money for the ability of skipping them. – Pay TV and Commercials ?!

    *It wouldn’t be hard, they just have to remove losses. If your ship just
    respawns, you can instantly rejoin the fun, without grinding delay – World of Tanks, World of Warplanes, World of Spaceships ?! Risk is what makes this game fun..

    *The Rest – What ?! ^^^^^^^^

  • Tiago D’Agostini

    Incredble how he can start an article with a correct premisse, that Free to play games where paying to avoid the grind are a very awkward concept… but within 10 lines loose completely the focus and get again on his nonsense of always.

  • ICWoods

    Goblin your assumption doesn’t make sense, you say that people can lose their ship and will then have to grind to replace it, have you never heard of PLEX you idiot.

    • Egren

      Reading is hard.

  • aquatac

    jees i already started to read the first lines before i’d realized its yet another Goblin Post… go play something else man

  • Say My Name!

    get out goblin nobody likes you..

    riv do you owe him money or something?

  • Drama Dalai Lama

    At first I was wondering why does riverini put Goblins shitty blog on his website – everyone hates Goblin. But then it hit me – Goblin is so terrible people will open these threads just to post a comment about Goblin and how big of a faggot he is (this comment is no exception). He is so bad it’s basicaly a gold mine for rivs’ Ad Sense thingie, pure $$$.
    In other words Goblin is a Honey BooBoo of Eve Online and riv should be ashamed of himself for utilizing the dirtiest trick media has ever created – exploit peoples attraction to extremly disgusting and vulgar things.

    • GFY

      “Goblin is a Honey BooBoo of Eve Online”…Thats some funny shit.

    • N3Fanbud

      This is the answer to the long asked question we all had. 😀

    • 0z0ned

      Ad block FTW

  • Captain Obvious

    In other obvious news: The sky is blue, and humans breathe a mixture of nitrogen and oxygen. Our sources also tell us that the sun may rise in the east, and set in the west tomorrow.

  • Frickin Rhino

    I have a real job that consumes most my day. I like to do things in eve that don’t exactly make me shit loads of isk. I can use plex to allow me to have that fun, and the fun comes from the risk… whether is be isk, or RL money. So the risk is still there. At not point did you even make a point. may god have mercy on your soul.

  • so bad

    games exist to make money. the fun is a what they sell. they dont care pay to win or grind as long as you buy.

  • Unsatisfied reader

    No death penalty = no grief of loss = no tears = boring PVP. Goblin want no cry no moar?

  • whocares

    OMG JESUS I LOST MY TITAN… nvm i get a new one on station 😀

  • Selina

    The picture was pretty.

    Yep…that’s about all I bothered viewing after clicking to this page.

  • Yes

    Another thoughtful well written piece of intellectual brilliance by goblin