Awoxing is the act in EVE where a member of a team turns on his trusting teammates, destroying their ships, alone or in cooperation with other players, who are usually hostile to the original group. There are other forms of hostile actions against teammates, like dropping Sov or stealing from hangars, but they aren’t called awox, that’s reserved for shooting friendly ships.

What was the largest awox in the history of EVE? You probably say “the Revenant gank”, when a dozen Pandemic Legion supercarriers, including a 300B rare ship, the Revenant were destroyed by Black Legion. The commander of the PL fleet was the awoxer. He

  1. formed a fleet under the guise of authority and loyalty
  2. made sure that the fleet composition is completely unable to fight against hostile players. Unsupported supers.
  3. made their fleet believe that they are just on their way for some “easy kills” without real danger, hence the above isn’t a problem
  4. made sure that reds have all means to organize the death trap by giving them every intel and giving them time to form up
  5. dropped fleet and removed standard means of fleet leadership when the trap was activated. The famous quote “more than one [expletive] had a mouth”, referred to the fact that someone could step up and lead, but no one could, despite they were members of probably the best PvP alliance.

While the above is a perfect example of an awox, it’s not the largest in the history of EVE. Maybe the most expensive, but only because a moron used an overpriced toy. The largest awox happened recently, hence the extra Saturday post. Everything happened the same way as above, but this time not a dozen people were lured to a trap but thousands and not by a player, but by CCP employees. They

  1. formed a fleet under the guise of authority and loyalty
  2. made sure that the fleet composition is completely unable to fight against hostile players. Totally random mixture of ships of different size, range, speed, tank type.
  3. made their fleet believe that they are just on their way for some “fun event” without real danger, hence the above isn’t a problem
  4. made sure that reds have all means to organize the death trap by giving them every intel (target system announced in twitter) and giving them time to form up (20 jumps in high TiDi)
  5. dropped fleet and/or refused to give fleet orders after ordering to jump into the trap. Even if someone was more competent than the PL pilots in the first example (unlikely), they couldn’t speak up due to lack of comms.

Now what? Last time a player used the guise of CCP authority to hurt others (by changing the official wiki to list himself as reliable trader, despite he was a scammer), he was permabanned because his actions were making the impression that CCP is helping some players against other players. This time official employees pulled the largest awox of the history of EVE. The result can only be the same: permaban, which means firing for an employee. I’m not sure if they did it because they had alts in the nullsec groups that farmed the kills or just to have a good laugh on the griefed players, but either way, they used their CCP authority to pull the awox. If random Joe would announce a “large Empire fleet”, no one would have joined it. Their official tag allowed them to lure the lambs to the slaughter.

Without firing the awoxers and reimbursing the victims (the victims of the fake-ISD-supercap trader got their supers back), there will be no way to remove the “CCP devs are working for nullsec groups” stigma.

– Gevlon Goblin

His EVE journey show a very interesting “outside the box” approach to the game, PVE and the trade hubs, reason for which we invite you to pay a visit to his blog.

Desclaimer: I had no ships in either fleets, my whole involvement was crossing the fleet’s way in highsec for two jumps. In 10% TiDi. In a freighter. I have exhumer killmails to prove that I was busy elsewhere and I’m not a butthurt carebear whining over his own loss. Those are on the forums en masse. I’m just worried that CCP employees might steal, gank or otherwise damage me or other players using their dev powers if I’m hostile to the groups where their alts are.


  1. heh

    That was absolutely terrible. Your formula first of all could be applied to almost anything. Next of all, it was a great experience for people finding out what it means to be in empire taking on nullseccers. Last of all, CCP devs finally decided to give empire some content and while the first itme its botched up, you want to go around dissing it? It’s player and dev created comtent which drive this game…. not some automated PVE storyline like dumb ass WOW guys like you are used to. This is the start to come for rubicon. Empire lost a war here and it sents a real time story precedent for the upcoming patch. Also gives people in empire a real idea and shake them up about what real nullsec alliances can do and will do if they try to encounter them again without any real strategy.

    Then again, why waste my time, you are gevlon, king of “reimbursing idiots for being idiots because WOW would do it for me…. why not eve?”

    November 10, 2013 at 08:39
    1. Gothic Light

      “Next of all” should just be,”Next,” and “Last of all” should just be “Lastly,”

      Glad to help.

      November 10, 2013 at 14:03
      1. heh

        If using specific numerical ordering rules yes you are right. I’m not using them though.

        November 10, 2013 at 16:42
  2. FFS

    I usually don’t chime in with the “fuck Goblin, he’s a tard” crowd, but this time, I gotta say, you’re a goddamn idiot. When CCP only holds live events in High Sec, everyone bitches cause low/null sec players can’t get involved. Now they go to null sec, and an unorganized, undisciplined fleet WITHOUT VOICE COMMUNICATION, or an experienced FC gets slaughtered (surprise buttsecks!) and you go to breakin out the tin foil. How about CCP just stops all Live Events? Lets hear your ass hattery then. Oh, and future reference, stop writing about pvp when your career is built on popping high sec miners. That’s like hunting for trapped animals in a hallway with a chain gun….funny, but not really a fight.

    November 10, 2013 at 08:39

      “That’s like hunting for trapped animals in a hallway with a chain gun….funny, but not really a fight.” sounds a bit like the event lol

      November 10, 2013 at 09:16
  3. Thank you

    Bless you for being so retarded so the rest of us may enjoy the comments on your article. CCP should give you a Ishukone Scorpion for your part in creating content.

    November 10, 2013 at 08:49
  4. annnnnd nobdy cares. pl has 10x that iska month and 10x those FCs… of that worthless loser… i am sure he is thrilled he is with ….BL…. gooons now. loser.

    November 10, 2013 at 08:49
    1. Varesk

      hahahaha nomad plz.

      November 10, 2013 at 15:46
  5. bob

    kill yourself…

    November 10, 2013 at 09:19
  6. Ciaphas Cyne


    November 10, 2013 at 09:23
  7. Jesus Loves You

    Please kill yourself ASAP.

    November 10, 2013 at 09:23
  8. yoyoyoyoeastsidewestside

    “How Eve should look more like WOW” by Glevon Goblin

    November 10, 2013 at 09:24
  9. getlostgoblin

    Goblin yet again showing that he’s a complete fucktard.

    November 10, 2013 at 09:54
  10. Simon pieman

    I would be amazed if the monetary value of all the ships lost in the CCP live event came even close to the amount lost during the rev gank, i didn’t read it proper because well its goblin but was there any actual numbers to corroborate this clearly well off claim?

    And of course i cant forget the mandatory fuck off back to WoW goblin šŸ™‚

    November 10, 2013 at 10:01
  11. What a fag

    How immature are you, sure it was poorly executed but taking someone’s job because high sec noobs can’t figure out something is a bad idea isn’t exactly an option a grown man would suggest. I think you should lose whatever job you have because you’re a fucking moron too, but i’d never write an article about it and send it to your customers.

    November 10, 2013 at 10:20
    1. guest

      “because high sec noobs can’t figure out something is a bad idea”
      To be fair, neither did the organizers. Let’s say these high sec players got an introduction on the welp fleet concept and call it a day.

      November 10, 2013 at 13:21
  12. tara read

    OH NO! CCP GENERATED CONTENT AND STUFF DIED!! AWOX! AWOX! For fuck sake Goebbels take your WoW laced propaganda somewhere else.

    November 10, 2013 at 10:28
  13. Meh

    awox? , a corp m8 of mine went home with close a bil of loot in his cargo

    November 10, 2013 at 11:04
  14. vaga pilot

    what an idiot.

    i still dont get how GG managed to learn writing at all.

    November 10, 2013 at 11:11
  15. Booyeah


    November 10, 2013 at 11:31
  16. I just do not know

    I went through this incident, I had a corp mate involved, of course I am too old in this game to get caught up in that event, once it went to TiDi I would have logged simple as. I like these events, though I would only throw an alt at them, never a main character.

    Anyway, it may be that some of the faction NPC fc’s were linked to a 0.0 alliance or two, hard to say, but when I look at it it has the classic example of people wanting to attend and over loading the servers, happens with every event, which is why I don’t go to them. After that the chaos was part and parcel of that.
    0.0 alliances go out of their way to fuck up their events, this would happen whether it was competent or not, its the way Eve is.
    So while there are a number of CCP employees linked in with these 0.0 alliances, perhaps too closely, I still think that this was nothing more than a huge error. The ramifications of this debacle will be closed accounts and a feeling that hisec players are not important to the game designers. For one lets look at the POCO’s, hisec ones can now be taken, but at this point I have no way to ninja use a 0.0 one. Secondly the way they have setup POCO attacks in hisec means that the Goons have a massive advantage due to their war dec costs. The bias may not be intentional, but I get the impression its more like talking to the same old stale heads who have the same old view and never really talking to people in hisec who to be blunt are only vocal when they are moaning about yet another gimp to their game play, but it does smell bad at times.
    So in a nutshell, none of this is deliberate, its plain old incompetence by CCP.

    November 10, 2013 at 11:33
  17. turmajin

    While i wouldnt go so far as to say it was a AWOX.It certainly wasnt a very well thought out LIVE EVENT.They would have done much better to at least call for one race ships only and maybe made it a frigate show.A 1K strong fleet of frigates,would have least been a fun adventure.The fact the fleet was a total mismash of types,classes,races .Just ment when battle was joined,it was a dead fleet,aswell as the lack of comms or leadership,from the GMs.

    November 10, 2013 at 11:52
  18. SadMumu

    Awoxing fleets.. sounds like something Michael JD would do

    November 10, 2013 at 11:57
  19. Momijisu

    Our incursion fleet formed up for this event, 80 incursion ships fitted for PvP left for the event, only 7 made it back in the ship they left in, thats less than 10% and with voicecoms, admittedly our FC didnt have PVP experience, nor did many others in the fleet. It wasn’t until it was too late that a visiting PVP FC spoke up and took the survivors back out.

    November 10, 2013 at 12:16
  20. GrouchyOldGamer

    It was amazing, hope they do it again soon.

    November 10, 2013 at 13:06
  21. NewOldMan

    To me this was one of the better live events, the winner or loser was completely determined by who was victorious. Obviously it was going to be the null sec groups, far more experience, far better fleet comp, and vastly superior communication. Anyone who joined this fleet that didn’t think it was going to lead to a complete slaughter was a fool.

    As for the whole awoxing thing.. What? Goblin is an idiot. It’s like saying that you’re going to take the family to MCDonalds, but you get a flat tire on the way. Completely different than taking them to Burger King instead.

    November 10, 2013 at 13:12
  22. t

    you sir are a complete moron. You are actually suggesting somebody should get sacked for making a balls up of some shit event and letting some peeps lose some space ship pixels. step away from the keyboard and take a whiff of real life.

    If you got short changed at a shop, would you also demand that the cashier was sacked. Just because you hide behind a monitor, does not make it ok to be a d*ck!

    November 10, 2013 at 13:17
  23. Dennis the Dreamer

    dang, I play wow and just resub for Draenor so f*k all of you retards. WoW is not EVE and EVE is not WoW. You gonna get kicked off the l33t group if you don’t have the ilvl gears. You can probably just do Leerrooooooooy Jennnkinsss to kill them all!!! that is all. Still the truth of the matter is CCP servers are f*ked up!

    November 10, 2013 at 13:25
  24. Hell

    One of the worst Articles on Evenews so far….I am disapointed by the level of ignorance and pessimism. Why do people always have to turn stories to make people have a tough job (EVE is trying). Why do you want to have people get fired are you some evil person that hates their life because you don’t have it? Cause you sound like a very bitter person to me.

    November 10, 2013 at 13:40
  25. Atogrim

    You, sir, are a hater and a really bad Troll. And you lack the skill for both.
    Just quit this game, stop posting and go back to little kittens online.

    November 10, 2013 at 14:23
  26. Gothic Light

    “Iā€™m just worried that CCP employees might steal, gank or otherwise
    damage me or other players using their dev powers if Iā€™m hostile to the
    groups where their alts are.” – Tinfoil Goblin

    Assuming you are talented enough to damage any nullsec entity in any kind of meaningful way that you aren’t a member of is comical.

    Second, if you can point out any precedent for CCP employee’s using magic dev powers to, “steal, gank or otherwise
    damage” anyone, ever, please elaborate. Because it sounds like you just enjoy slandering in a passive aggressive way without any sort of evidence to back up your claims.

    CCP isn’t perfect, they’ve made more then a few mistakes in the past and likely will continue to do so in the future. The promising thing about CCP is they usually learn from those mistakes and often engage their playerbase for solutions.

    November 10, 2013 at 14:25
  27. So glad I unsubbed

    CCP seem to be doing everything to alienate their customers AND kill their own game. It almost look deliberate but I guess it is like some pointed out below, just pure incompetence. They don’t seem to realize that other spaceship games are just around the corner and shit like this will be an easy “trigger” for A LOT of players to simply jump out of Eve. If I would be a CCP investor, I would take my money out of there right away. For my part I am so glad I unsubbed. The only entertainment I am getting from EVE atm is reading about all the shit that goes on in it.

    November 10, 2013 at 15:06
  28. Pointless article is pointless. Move along Gevlon.

    November 10, 2013 at 15:13
  29. omg get a life GG

    For the love of god and all that is holy will someone please the fuck stop this ass hat writing articles…

    … just saying

    November 10, 2013 at 15:16
  30. BS

    Gevlon Goblin the reason i changed eve24 for mittani

    November 10, 2013 at 15:17
    1. u should get a life to

      So wtf are you doing in here?

      November 10, 2013 at 15:22
    2. Pazuzu

      Gtfo then smegma breath

      November 10, 2013 at 15:41
    3. Brandon

      But yet you still post here.

      November 10, 2013 at 16:04
  31. Lordpepstores

    This is the first time I have read eve news and it is so sh!t. Eve news should find better journalists or close the site! This is the worst thing i have ever read in my whole life! AFK while i spoon my eyes out!

    November 10, 2013 at 15:17
  32. Phoenny

    Goblin… Most of your stories are terrible… This particular is not. I watched this thing online and basically concluded the same thing.

    Trolls will be trolling you, but good write up.

    November 10, 2013 at 15:17
  33. menotathomeisnotathome

    [email protected] is @home with [email protected] nomad mate i know where your @home is

    ps gg killyour self please thanks in advance

    November 10, 2013 at 15:26
    1. oh hai Gelvlon! Thanks for replying.

      November 10, 2013 at 16:28
  34. Kitty Baugh

    Are you literally just trying to either whore for attention or troll? Because you are obviously not a stupid man, you are very good at market trading by all accounts, but everything you post is just laced with a lack of understanding of anything to do with game mechanics or why people other than the highsec publords you gank play the game.

    November 10, 2013 at 15:38
  35. Darius

    I really get a kick out of these self-proclaimed critics of Gevlin’s articles. Notice that despite their rants and obvious trolls along with threats to leave EN24 for other sites, they keep coming back for more. So you must be doing something right, Gevlin, to attract the readership like you do. Now, I don’t agree with everything you write any more than with any other journalist or commentator in other media. That’s o.k. Keep up the good work. I can tell you put a bit of effort into your writing. As for the trolls (many of which are still reading at the 6th grade level), any writer daring enough to stand up for what they believe to be the truth as they see it will never see a lack of critics.

    November 10, 2013 at 15:39
    1. Kitty Baugh

      Are you Niggerini or Glevon?

      November 10, 2013 at 15:40
      1. Darius

        ^ I rest my case. Thanks for providing an example related to my comment. Cheers!

        November 10, 2013 at 15:42
        1. Frankly I don’t even read the posts anymore. I just call for Gevlon to fuck off; It saves time and irritation.

          November 10, 2013 at 16:27
    2. LOL.

      i keep coming back here, because i have to read the stuff thats posted here. Mostly because i need to know why i need to appease my casual grunts and new players who believe what this guy posts.

      November 10, 2013 at 16:04
  36. LOL.

    Typical Goblin Post.

    First: your definition of an awox, is not what an awox is. Awoxing is nothing else but using an in-corp tackler to tackle a valuable target for a hostile fleet. Its named after a guy who got “famous” doing that.

    1) the fleets where formed by players, not by CCP
    2) the fleet composition was what is to expect when people bring random ships. That said, the fleets at least leaving from meves where split in several armor and a shield fleet.
    3) It was announced as a dangerous event in 0sec, people also where told that they should expect to die. And within the fleets people where told by veterans that they will most likely die by gatecamps along the way to the vent.
    4) Even if the target system was not on twitter there wouldn’t have been much of a difference, a) everyone in fleet knew where we are going and by that could tell his mates where to get and b) with the ability of jump bridging fleets the exact endpoint is kinda not important
    5) Thats what you get with a random group and FC’s that call ’emselves “SUPER GENERAL”.

    The event was alot like i expected, and it was what we [the players] made of it. No one could have stopped anyone to bring a proper organized fleet on side of the Empires. Its the own fault of everyone who joins a RANDOM group.
    And no, you don’t get to blame CCP for our actions, put your tinfoil hat back on, maybe that keeps you from making such ridiculous conspiracy theories.

    November 10, 2013 at 15:58
  37. banned username

    i mean… you know CCP literally said “hey guys head to curse or syndicate if you want to go dunk on some highsec scrubs” right?

    November 10, 2013 at 16:02
  38. neutral

    The thing I don’t hear mentioned at all in the discussion of this whole debacle, is the clear and repeated message being delivered by CCP that this is what is going to happen.
    The narrative they are pushing around the evolution of New Eden’s power struggle is one of the Empires losing their grip, the Capsuleer organisations becoming ever more powerful and beginning to exert that influence over the Empires.

    In this event, the Empire factions tried to call capsuleers to their banner, many responded, but many stood to oppose them. The Empire factions did not have the organisation, experience or strategic expertise to face the Nullsec juggernauts, even with so many disparate capsuleers under their banners and the losses were horrendous.

    I very much respect that CCP allowed the players to decide this outcome here. Had the playerbase made different choices, taken different courses of action, the outcome would and could have been wildly different. Those who “lost” in this encounter did so because they did not fully anticipate the circumstance, prepare and organise to suit. Those who “won” did.

    As far as I can recall, the first time the final verdict of a Live Event has truly been in the hands of the players, and they have spoken: The Empires will fail.

    November 10, 2013 at 16:07
    1. Darius

      Well stated, neutral. CCP has already alluded to the fact that they were planning to stir the pot and shake players out of a false sense of security. A lot of spaceship violence occurs in null and losec which many of us enjoy. Those who choose to live or explore the regions of null or losec know what to expect. They’ve fit their ships, adapted strategies and prepared tactics to improve their odds of survival. When the battlefield changes through new or deprecated features or if ships are buffed and nerfed, they adapt…they overcome. Yes, there may be some complaining and even raging, but in the end their survival instinct wins out. They try to figure out how they can exploit change and turn it into an advantage. The siphon feature related to moon mining has inspired some criticism, but watch and learn. Those who are impacted will find a way to deal with it. They always do. Those players who adapt to change will always prevail in the end, and those who don’t end up becoming bitter vets before finally moving on. Games that are not dynamic will die a slow death.

      Who knows how Empire space will fare? One thing seems certain is that it will change…just like the real world in which we all live.

      November 10, 2013 at 17:00
      1. htfugoons

        Oh give it a break Goon. Seems like the region that needs the most shaking up is Null where as you argue the players are best equiped to deal with it. So let them. After all since the Goon ascendance in 2009 the player online numbers have been stagnant. Why not take on Nullsec and the stagnant leach of a blue blob?

        Make PvP with more than a few hundred players in one area something that isn’t allowed to happen in most regions of Null. Something like WH mechanics. Would clear out the fat F1 blobs pretty quick and make the game better and faster all in one shot. Will be get rid of both dialiation in most PvP. There needs to be a place for new and solo players, and those interested in industry, it’s called HiSec. Change Null instead and make mechanics to make Null an interesting place for new blood and smaller corps again.

        November 11, 2013 at 04:40
      2. Nico Sertan

        Well said, i adapted to CCPs bullcrap, so i unsubed all my 3 accounts šŸ™‚
        Games should be fun and not a second job and thats why all the free to play games are so popular now… but i wish you all to have better EVE with lots of fun

        November 11, 2013 at 09:39
    2. Bill Cat

      In other words hand over empire to Null. Be more interesting if they handed over Null into an invasion by Concord, then at least we wouldn’t know the outcome.

      November 10, 2013 at 17:50
  39. Please stop

    Last time ever I read a post from this dude…. evenews24 get this terrible stuff off the page please…. If you dont like it and CCP are always the bad guys, QUIT THE GAME PLEASE… dont cry so much. CCP made a misstake, I so far have not played a single MMO where the devs did not make misstakes. So Greedy Goblin, go play some stupid ass blizzard game please to kill goblins.

    November 10, 2013 at 16:43
    1. passthebuck

      The problem is not just one mistake but many. DUST514? This debacle and now pushing PVP onto people who would otherwise not? The sandbox is there for everyone, or loose the subscriber base and your game, dude cause it is just a game. The game was built on the idea of a sandbox where everyone could play there own way, if not, oh well.. I know more than a few that will leave.

      November 10, 2013 at 22:42
  40. Saw it

    It was not a mistake. Not only CCP favors null sec over the others, they also favor one side of null sec over the other.

    November 10, 2013 at 16:48
    1. random

      yeah, and every side claims its not them… nulli and PL always cry ccp is goons friend, and when the titan in KW- escaped everyone turned and said CCP is a N3 fanboy, way I see it is they make human misstakes, that… yes do suck sometimes…

      November 10, 2013 at 16:49
  41. Bill Cat

    A better summary is at Jester’s Trek.

    Wasn’t there, didn’t play it. All I can say is if CCP continues this route they lose their pipeline of new and hisec players so it doesn’t sound all that smart.

    Yes I know every large Null corp thinks the new or hisec players are miraculously all going to want to work for big corps or to pay Mitten’s mortgage, some work for big corps in real life and come here to escape it so I’m not sure that everyone will join a large Null corp instead is such a brilliant assumption.

    November 10, 2013 at 17:54
  42. CCCAwoxurearse

    welcome to the sunday portion of butthurt, on comments.

    November 10, 2013 at 18:14
    1. Bill Cat

      Nah, most of us are all null, lowsec or WH people, including myself, and we do butthurt better in other articles (just look at any of the Battles and the smack there). This is about HiSec and live events therefore no-one knows what they are talking about here.

      November 10, 2013 at 18:29
  43. Justin Cody

    This has to be satire…you can’t believe a word you are saying.

    November 10, 2013 at 18:33
    1. Bill Cat

      Yes I thought so too, and as someone who works in the game industry in real life I figured no way CCP could do something as dumb as trying to get rid of a nice chunk of it’s player base in a game with flat subscribership. But no, something like this happened. I stand amazed as someone who develops games

      November 10, 2013 at 18:43
      1. Justin Cody

        No I think you misunderstand me. It wasn’t an awox. It was a live event. In Null sec. and people actually expected to live? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. let me laugh harder. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha.


        all the players knew they were heading to a fight and no eon though to be organized or anything. They didn’t get awoxed they got sandboxed! And no one is trying to get rid of anything. Your lack of understanding of EVE shows through the thin veneer of your supposed expertise. The only ones who gave the null sec campers any advantage were the high sec entitlement crowd. Go theme-park somewhere else!

        at the end of the day you (plural impersonal you) volunteered to go on this excursion and can’t possibly have expected safety or CCP to FC for you. stop being so dependent on others to hold your hand.

        November 10, 2013 at 22:29
        1. Moneytlksbswlks

          I have an idea lets make a game that fewer people like. Wait another awesome idea would just to through money away. If I were to subscribe to a crap magazine, would I continue or say f it? Not everyone is into PVP and if you think so let the world collapse around you till your precious is gone. tards

          November 10, 2013 at 22:37
        2. I just do not know

          If you read that thread people did not expect to live, they expected to lose their ships, the main issue was jumping 20 systems with 10% TiDi which meant that most of them never got there for the event. Furthermore due to the perceived alignment of CCP with the 0.0 cartels, there is a feeling that they were setup. All the people I have spoken to don’t care about the ships, they had expected to lose them.
          But reading your comment, you are saying that CCP were wrong to do an event in null sec, and perhaps you have something there, the rest of your post is F1 monkey pap!

          November 10, 2013 at 22:44
        3. Provi Miner

          no one expected to live, but they did expect something other than being slaughted by a minimal force. Everytime you fleet up you are a moron for thinking you will live (true story) however you do expect to have some opportunities or options. In this case the awoxers did there job well, they convinced a large group of people to follow them and then led them straight into a zero win situation. This isn’t like going on a roam and hitting a bigger gate camp this was flat out poorly led death march across 20 systems.

          November 10, 2013 at 23:27
          1. Titus Veridius

            What did you fuckers think was going to happen? CCP was going to deploy a super anti-goon weapon? A fleet-wide invulnerability field? That Shadoo was going to appear and guest FC at a crucial moment in the chaos? That CCP ships would be dropping X-type goodies that would magically survive your trip back through Syndicate?

            I’m trying to imagine the scenario where I could feel outraged over this event, besides the 10% tidi that was affecting people 45 jumps away from the event.

            November 11, 2013 at 00:22
        4. Sundra Tanakoh

          I was going to go. But, some where buried in the announcement was something about “not looting” or something to that effect. I honestly can’t remember. But based on how I understood it, it appeared that something was not quite fair or right, so I skipped it. Just as well it seems.

          November 11, 2013 at 08:13
  44. imsosly

    GG posing as a human is the greatest awox ever. Is he for real?

    November 10, 2013 at 18:38
  45. WhiteHalo117

    You clearly don’t even know what an awox is, do some research before you post such dribble. Also “Oh no a few hundred people quite EvE” I’m 100% positive the denizens of low/null make up a larger chunk of the subscription pool then highsec publords. We also draw in a lot more subscribers to as well.

    November 10, 2013 at 21:45
    1. Provi Miner

      I think he nailed it, CCP folks led a “blue” fleet into a death trap. Pretty classic definition of awox to me. “lead a blue fleet into a a death trap”

      November 10, 2013 at 23:23
      1. WhiteHalo117

        So CCP blued all of the dudes who showed up and invited them to fleet? The act of awoxing is attacking blues. This was 100% not an awox purple, and blue are two completely different colors. Now if you were in highsec and Joeshmo invites you to fleet. This enterprising indavidual then says “hello friend lets go on an adventure to lowsec together” then leads you into a gatecamp. See what I’m getting at here? They may be devs, but the number one rule in eve is trust no one. And just to reiterate this was not an awox.

        November 11, 2013 at 09:36
        1. Provi Miner

          Whelp you define it your way I define it mine. Awox= getting people killed on purpose to no benefit of theirs.

          November 11, 2013 at 22:28
          1. WhiteHalo117

            Alrighty well your definition is wrong. You cant change the real definition of something to support your point of view, that’s not how life works.

            November 12, 2013 at 21:32
          2. Provi Miner

            yeah ok feel free to link me to the “official” definition of awox. oh and please don’t stop looking tiil you find it (I figure I should be around 90 years old by then). Acting as if their is an official definition thats too funny. Well my definition is right therefore your’s is wrong thats how life works (when we are discussing a made up term in a space pixel game) lol good one. I would try the oxford dictionary first more comprehensive then the websters, good luck

            November 13, 2013 at 15:26
  46. Ciaphas Cyne

    events like this, that make some players feel unhappy with how EVE is run, I think are good for the game in the long run. Highsec-carebears who treat EVE like a single player game are not the kind of customer base CCP wants (Im guessing of course, not an employee…I wonder if we could get some statistics on how long those perma-highseccers pay for EVE anyway)

    If EVE loses even five thousand subscribers over it, Id still view it as a positive, house cleaning, event. We dont want carebears in our game and I dont think CCP does either. Remember folks this is a company that started out because Ultima Online wasnt hardcore enough.

    This is Rubicon, there is no turning back, High Sec is about to get alot smaller and alot less safe. EVE players will have to rely on each other for protection and content. Time for EVE the MMO, not EVE the space currency accumulator.

    November 10, 2013 at 22:18
    1. News4U

      Got news for you..
      Everyone in eve is a carebear.
      Or, are you sure that you are playing EvE and not some other game?

      November 10, 2013 at 22:43
      1. Ciaphas Cyne

        im gonna teach you a little about language and how its used to explain the world around us:

        Relativity. thats a pretty heavy word. Its got a lot of meaning in science, and its got a lot of meaning in semantics too.

        If “everyone” is a carebear then the term has no meaning. Its like saying “everyone is stupid” Without someone being smarter than the stupids, “stupid” cant exist.

        So there can be degrees of the “carebear trait” in most eve players, but we cant all be “stupid” if no one is “smart”. EVE players must fall along a line of “giving a fuck” Either you give lots of fucks about dying or you give not so many fucks. Those that fall in the middle create an average player mindset. The “we kind-of give a fuck” camp. Those on the outside of that either care more or less. So lets call the ones who care more than the average “carebears”. Lets call those who care less than average “fonzies”. Cause theyre cool. Get it?

        So although no one “wants to die” some of us care less than the average player…some of us care more. Now we can talk about why some players care more than others but thats a different discussion.

        Do you understand now? Lemme know if you still dont get it, I can keep trying for you.

        November 10, 2013 at 23:07
        1. Provi Miner

          Everyone is a carebear in some fashion, yes that is true statement. think about all the pvp’ers who only fleet up? everyone of them is a carebear because they don’t risk solo or 2 or three person pvp. Heck I am carebear and I don’t give no F’s about losing ships. Rather in stead I try my hardest to minimize the loss I use t2 instead of faction, I fly implant free or nearly so. If I loss mail cross’s 250 K I have done something wrong, IMO. I fly light and I fly fairly clean.

          November 10, 2013 at 23:22
          1. Ciaphas Cyne

            so “you dont care about losing ships” but “try your hardest to minimize losses” ? seems like a massive contradiction to me. carebear.

            November 10, 2013 at 23:40
          2. Provi Miner

            it does doesn’t it, lol. Well I guess I should have added some context to it. See I don’t like to work at eve. Seriously I really am not fond of mining , pve, moon goo, trading, PI all that crap. So I fly on fairly limited space budget. Therefore I try and limit my loss’s so that I can fly more. and the bump offered by faction and officer stuff is not isk wise IMO. So thats why I run light. does that help.

            November 11, 2013 at 00:14
          3. Ciaphas Cyne

            oh my friend then please come to FW! we make tons of isk WHILE we pvp to our hearts content in cheap tech one frigs. its the best mate. GALMIL ftw

            November 11, 2013 at 02:24
          4. Provi Miner

            oh I hear about FW some crew looking for fun but the avg fw’er wants nothing to with it so they duck into a ship restricted site. sounds like carebear to me, how about you?

            On the other hand There are few targets more fun then FW folks who come to null looking for a fight, and I mean that. Nice shiney ships. So I guess some are cool and gudd fight lovers and others are not meh. All carebear in their own way I guess.

            November 11, 2013 at 05:59
          5. Ciaphas Cyne

            the ones that run are the farmers for the most part. most galmil corps will take a fight even when outnumbered/classed. weve had some great battles with test lately, and scum always provides some fun.

            November 11, 2013 at 11:54
    2. PVPer

      You got that right…EVE is much more then an MMO. Its spreadsheets in space. It’s a thinking man’s game. Definitely not a shooter !

      November 10, 2013 at 23:01
      1. Ciaphas Cyne

        its not about how you play, its who you play with, and for what goals. if you play solo, and purely for the number in your wallet, then I dont really want you in an MMORPG with me. (not hating on solo pvpers btw, you guys interact with the player base plenty)

        November 10, 2013 at 23:13
        1. Humm

          Wow , you contradict yourself. Make up your mind.

          November 10, 2013 at 23:28
          1. Ciaphas Cyne

            how so? explain the contradiction please.

            November 10, 2013 at 23:40
          2. Humm

            its not about how you play =/= if you play solo, and purely for the number in your wallet, then I dont really want you in an MMORPG with me.

            its who you play with =/= solo pvpers

            solo pvpers =/= interact with the player base plenty

            if you play solo, and purely for the number in your wallet DOES NOT MEAN not interact with the player base plenty.

            So… you just want the players to interact even if they look like a bunch of headless chickens.

            in a sandbox game you can play the game any way you want

            November 11, 2013 at 00:17
          3. Ciaphas Cyne

            lol fail mate

            November 11, 2013 at 02:27
        2. Andrew Metzger

          Until I find some unattached good people, I have to build the number in my wallet solo. The bigger that number, the better my corp SRP and perks can be when I do find good people.

          No one just wants to collect ISK, we all plan on burning it one way or another. Some sooner than later.

          November 11, 2013 at 07:12
    3. sigh

      Every MMO that dies makes this mistake and now it’s Eve’s turn. The game starts being made by and for the most hardcore veteran and most well organized (not small guild or alliance) part of the base exclusively. Then it dies due to no new blood.

      Every time. And it’s for the same reason. The veteran wielding powerblocks become too powerful and too influential on direction. That is happening now with Eve.

      Look at the intro to Eve. I know most of us have been here so long we have forgotten. It says PvP is only one thing you can be good at. One thing. Forgive some of the newbies for believing that.

      Yes you are correct that is the direction CCP is going and they will fail like all others that chose that path before, which is too bad, since I really like this game, its the only one you get to fly a spaceship in. Every successful game provides options for smaller teams and in MMO’s even stuff to do Soloing. Ultima Online was no exception. Eve was no exception. There are no exceptions. When you chose a different path you won’t have enough of a base to survive. 5k – 10k player in ever is about 15k – 30k subscribing accounts btw, which is close to how many people are online in a given day.

      November 11, 2013 at 00:56
    4. Shadowblade1436

      “Highsec-carebears who treat EVE like a single player game are not the kind of customer base CCP wants”
      You seem to be ignoring the fact that CCP is a Company, it one and ONLY goal is making money, to that end they want ANY customer, not just the type you want to play with. I’ve lived in Null sec almost my entire eve career, I personally can’t stand being in empire, its boring. But seeing the vast majority of CCP’s customers are in empire, if CCP pisses them off, CCP WILL go out of business, its that simple.

      “I wonder if we could get some statistics on how long those perma-highseccers pay for EVE anyway”
      What you think CCP lets them play for free? If you try to say “they just buy plexs”, well thats still paying to play the game, someone bought the plex, so they could buy it, CCP doesn’t seed the game with plexs for people to buy. And guess what, if the empire carebears aren’t there to buy the plexs, then people wouldn’t be incline to sell them, there for wouldn’t buy them from CCP in the first place. So losing those carebears will hurt CCPs bottomline.

      If you REALLY can’t stand empire carebears, do what 90% of all null sec does, DON’T GO TO EMPIRE!!

      November 11, 2013 at 10:52
      1. Ciaphas Cyne

        no i didnt mean it like that. a plex buy is a plex buy. i mean how long do they have active accounts for. i know most characters are in empire space but i bet most are no longer active

        November 11, 2013 at 11:49
    5. indy

      dude what the hell have you been smoking?! you have no idea what u r on about, eve would die, I really can’t be arsed to go on about why… this should be obvious
      more obvious even that high sec bears do not get in your way… but u get to mess around with THEM whenever you like… why would anyone want to ban all the highsec bears?

      November 11, 2013 at 16:09
    6. The Obvious

      CCP wants the customer base that pays money. The PLEX they buy was bought by a player at some point, they drive PLEX price up, making PLEX a more attractive feature AND combats RMT. Good try though, for half a brain you did pretty well.

      November 11, 2013 at 16:47
      1. Ciaphas Cyne

        no one is talking about plex or how people pay for the game, we all know how plex works. and my brain is actually fairly on point. it navigated me all the way to your….nevermind

        November 12, 2013 at 09:43
  47. Provi Miner

    oh there is one thing about this event no one seems to consider, a large number of players did reach their target destination, enough to 10% tidi yet reports say those systems never came close, instead they only got as bad as 50% tidi. What this tells me is that most likely this was a hardware test and it while it did not fail I don’t think it was a pure success either. I could be wrong just using the reports that have been published.

    November 10, 2013 at 23:32
  48. Titus Veridius

    CCP leads pubbie fleet into nullsec. Who in their right mind would think ships and pods might die for no reason. gG

    November 11, 2013 at 00:07
    1. Provi Miner

      I think dying was a known, but I suspect most thought it would be a huge fur ball, not a lemming death. I think from reading the responses that this is closer to what was expected. Death but fun. And 20 jumps in tidi to die without ever haveing a chance at a km isn’t any fun.

      November 11, 2013 at 00:16
      1. mkay

        well technically CCP advertised it as “dangerous and 10% might die” so even though that turned out to be “100% of those who make it and don’t drop out due to boredom or because we close the event before you get there there will die ” it seems the anger isn’t based on dying.

        It’s based on 23 jumps in time dilation to simply die in a stupid gank gatecamp that anyone going into from hisec to nullsec can die any day of the week from without a special event with CCP herding people through to slaughter. The nullsec side of course didn’t have to do much, just bubble and shot from the safety of systems they own.

        If hisec had died in a big ball of zerg most would have been fine with it. To die like as one of them put it “chickens hung up in a slaughter assembly line” ticked them off, It would have been logical since CCP lead them into nullsec declaring it a special live event that CCP would have provided some mechanics that didn’t make it just another gatecamp and some chance at doing something other than just pretty much waiting two hours to get one shot. Ok yes I laughed when I read about it but this shit really hurts the game if you have a brain and think about it. Imagine if you were a new player, you gonna stay and play this crap?

        November 11, 2013 at 01:41
    2. Domus

      Can this be considered Grief Play on behalf of CCP, or that rule doesn’t apply to the gaming company and only to the players ?

      Can this be a base for legal action against CCP and demanding the restitution of the lost ISK, time and effort ?

      November 11, 2013 at 00:33
      1. sumdud

        I know the event sucked for a good number of people, but histrionics such as this are absurd. No, you don’t deserve restitution. And unless evidenced, you’d be hardpressed to call this griefing. You can unsub though, and I’m honestly not saying that to be snotty. šŸ™‚
        I understand some less-informed players may have lost a chunk of ISK and/or some pretty ships. But what’s the number one rule that is beat into everybody’s head since day one of playing? “Don’t fly what you can’t afford to replace”. It’s a rule that applies to every part of this game, not just nullsec PVP. There are ships that I wouldn’t even mission-run in highsec despite the ability to do so, simply becase accidents happen and crying in front of my ISK Wallet is unseemly. šŸ™‚
        CCP messed up by not properly informing its players of the event’s parameters. A lot of players may be used to Blizzard-style MMOs where live events only have a victory condition, and the game ensures you cross that finish line one way or another. On the other hand, most players should know from online sources, corp chat, or the tutorials that nothing is 100% safe and you WILL lose your shit some day.
        If most people are anything like me, you didn’t take those lessons to heart until you first got popped in a rude fashion. But they were always there.

        November 11, 2013 at 20:32
    3. Kullen

      Will only hurt CCP in the future if they do something like this

      November 11, 2013 at 00:46
  49. nullsec dude

    HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. ROFL. LOL. *cough cough* hahahahahahaha *couygh *drinks water* ok i think i can stop laughing now…

    November 11, 2013 at 00:47
    1. hisec dude

      Don’t forget your medication.

      November 11, 2013 at 01:42
  50. heh

    It’s funny but deeply troubling. Way to kill your new player base, literally CCP.

    CCP is going down in history as one of the dumbest designed events ever in the history of gaming.

    November 11, 2013 at 01:43

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