There are awful lot of zero-sum PvP games where the loser loses ranking, kill:death ratio and other stats. Yet these games are popular. The PvP games where you can farm XP and credits, therefore “progress” like in World of Tanks or League of Legends are even more popular, despite you still have losses in the individual game. I don’t think that the losses make EVE a small niche game.

It’s not even “unfair”, ganking PvP. You have little effect on the outcome of a World of Tanks game or a World of Warcraft battlegrounds. You are just one soldier in the battle. Sometimes the game is lost on loading screen due to matchmaking unbalance, teammate AFK or something like that. Still these games are popular.

The thing that all PvP games have but EVE doesn’t is the ability to trust in your teammates. In these games you fight side by side with other players. They might suck or even go AFK. But griefing is rare, banned and its effect limited to one short battle. Also, by handpicking your team, you can be 100% free of AFK-ers, noobs and griefers.

Not in EVE. In EVE a single hostile getting into your team can destroy a supercapital fleet, drop Sov, steal everything or simply go on an unstoppable awox spree. This is a bad design, not because these actions are “bad”, but because the individual player is completely powerless to do something about it. Only the leadership of his corporation/alliance can keep spies out. The little guy can only hope that they succeed.

You might say “but EVE supposed to be real”, but such spying power is not real. The president of a country cannot disable all infrastructure, grab everything in the treasury and jump it in a minute to a hostile country all by himself. Such act would need a huge conspiracy to bypass the checks and balances.

I do not suggest to ban spying or GMs reverse awoxes. I want built-in tools to limit the effect a spy can do. My suggestions:

– Remove highsec awoxing. Simply make shooting corpmates a suicide gank. Since there are duels, there is no legitimate need of shooting a corpmate.

– Make set standings take precedence over corp/alliance membership. If you set a corpmate -10, he still shows up as green and not red. Fix it, so a low/null awoxer can be marked after his first awox and also locked out of services. (I understand that instant-kicking is not possible due to abusing it to avoid war targets in highsec)

– Create a time lock for every possibly harmful activity. It can be activated selectively and makes actions like offlining a tower, SBU, TCU, cancelling a job, removing stront from the tower, disbanding the alliance, kicking corps or even members impossible. To perform the action, first you have to switch off time lock, wait 24 hours and then perform it. This way the members have 24 hours to respond before the bad thing happens.

– Daily withdraw limits to hangars and wallets. You can only remove this amount a single day. The limit itself can be time-locked, so the rogue director can’t just remove it.

– “Equal share” setting. By switching it on, the shares of the corporation are equally distributed between members all the time, allowing them to vote out the CEO. Protectable by time lock too.

– Automatic reimbursement feature. The replacement of lost combat ships are the largest ISK sinks of an alliance, so automatizing it would remove lot of ISK from the hands of people who could steal it. You just put the ISK to the reimbursement wallet and automatic algorithms send it to players who lost their ship in an eligible way. It would also remove huge administrative workload.

With such improvements, the players could more easily trust in their blues/greens, allowing much more players to participate in group content. And we know that group integration is the best predictor of remaining in the game.

178 Comments

  1. sfaf

    Seriously kill yourself

    October 25, 2013 at 23:56
  2. Cloora

    GTFO

    October 26, 2013 at 00:01
  3. jeanluc

    Ahahaha, I love GG. But not in a gay way.

    Never stop posting pls.

    October 26, 2013 at 00:03
  4. Idi Amin Dada

    “The president of a country cannot disable all infrastructure, grab everything in the treasury and jump it in a minute to a hostile country all by himself.”

    Hi ! A long list of african dictators would like to disagree with you http://news.peacefmonline.com/news/201109/66965.php

    October 26, 2013 at 00:19
  5. Once a reader of EN24

    I once enjoyed and preferred this site over TMC.. No more! This is the last time i open this crap of a site. I mean come on ^^ What is wrong with you Riv? Can anyone post whatever shit they come up with whilst high on god knows what? He ain’t even talking about EVE, he calls it EVE.. But trust me, he is NOT talking about EVE. Because if he was, he have to be either the best troll ever to enter this game or completely and utterly stupid beyond words!

    Either way… i’m done with this crap!!
    God damn!!! GTFO and never ever ever EVER come back to EVE GG!!!!!

    October 26, 2013 at 00:54
  6. Torenza Alduin

    there is no way you can be this pants on head retarded.
    im starting to think your posts are just a troll…..

    October 26, 2013 at 01:29
  7. Maraner

    umm no.

    October 26, 2013 at 01:38
  8. Makalu

    “How to make EVE a bit safer” stopped reading right there

    October 26, 2013 at 02:01
  9. xayder

    check the link above ukraine date.com and stop talkung about internet space schips

    October 26, 2013 at 02:37
  10. Scott Lockwood III

    Please Please tell us you’re sterile.

    October 26, 2013 at 03:30
  11. Hobo

    Riv, a word of advice. Printing this drivel might be good for short term page view counts, but in the long term, does significant harm to your already diluted brand. Don’t make the mistake of being that shortsighted.

    October 26, 2013 at 03:37
    1. Brazil ftw

      But he needs the money for that 1800$ playstation! Huehuehue.

      October 27, 2013 at 00:23
  12. really?

    Dude as someone that started out as a carebear just no.
    High sec isn’t supposed to be even slightly safe.

    Just safer the Null.

    Although if the megacorps are allowed to take over High sec they might well need some protection.
    Then again if the large corps and alliances are busy building gates and expanding Eve it may not be such a problem.

    We will see

    October 26, 2013 at 03:43
  13. ScaReMoNgeRinG

    You obviously have no fin clue how algorithms work…Not that I am going to claim i do but i know that i will be impossible for a mathematical formula to see if it was a retarded mistake from a kill report…plz stop talking like you have a clue about things you most likely think is magical computer thoughts….

    October 26, 2013 at 03:57
    1. edit

      it will be*

      October 26, 2013 at 03:58
    2. professor hucklefuckle

      algorithms are super easy to understand. its just a series of directions done to an input to provide an output. so really something as basic as ” +1, -4 ” is an algorithm.

      5 is your input, 2 is the output.

      its all based on the “if x, then y” logic system

      October 26, 2013 at 13:11
  14. The Griefer from Griefland

    I see this post provoqued more tears than suicide ganking in game, rofl. The fear. The fear CCP might choose the new customers above the old ones.

    Pls. keep posting.

    October 26, 2013 at 05:12
    1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      Shut up, shut up, SHUT UP, SHUT UP!!!!!!

      HOLY SHIT!!!! If you have even the slightest flicker of decency, for the love of God, do not, DO NOT, even think about encouraging that blithering idiot, Goblin.

      October 26, 2013 at 17:07
  15. Billbo

    For the very first time i’m actully speachless

    October 26, 2013 at 06:43
  16. Random Miner

    the inability to kill a corpmate in high sec is the only one i like, since there is a duel system now. Then people in high could invite more people into a corp and not have to worry they will kill everyone. The rest….. ehhhh. Asset theft would really only happen from giving someone the appropriate access, and if you trust the wrong people, you’re fucked. And makes for great stories in EvE

    October 26, 2013 at 07:45
  17. asshole

    please never post an idea again. 95% of players in eve came here for every reason you listed. if we did not want these things we would still be playing wow.

    now GTFO

    October 26, 2013 at 08:32
  18. Thodoros

    NO!
    The gameplay is fine as it is now.
    Eve online is very old with a very old Overview and a lot of crammed info in your screen.
    All this need to be streamlined with a beter UI so the player needs to do less and make it easy to understand and learn to play solo or in a group.
    That’s what CCP has to do and more players will come.

    October 26, 2013 at 09:17
  19. Mr. Krieger

    May I answer you with a quote?

    CCP Wrangler: “EVE is a dark and harsh world, you’re supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you’re not supposed to feel like you’re logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that’s what hello kitty online is for.”

    Oh, and the thing with the Duells… Sure I want to put up a Duell every time I web a freighter/orca into warp. -.-

    October 26, 2013 at 09:20
  20. Kweetniet

    mr Goblin: WOW PVE servers: ——————————–> that way. bye.

    October 26, 2013 at 09:32
  21. tara read

    Gelvon Goblin has created single handed (the other hand was jerking himself off to his own ideas) THE one all inclusive article that could kill Eve Online or rather the concept that is Eve Online.

    The sandbox itself is what keeps the game fresh and ever changing. It’s these unknowns and risks that maintain Eve as a harsh reality one that is as challenging as it is rewarding. Do the things Gelded Goblin suggests and New Eden too will have it’s nuts chopped off…

    What a fucking joke. It’s no wonder I keep slowly reading TMC more and more. There’s nothing of merit in these articles anymore!

    October 26, 2013 at 11:01
  22. Jesus Loves You

    Go back to WOW moron

    October 26, 2013 at 11:11
  23. tash

    I only read this to get a laugh attack.

    October 26, 2013 at 11:17
  24. asweetvet

    Why … how .. I can’t even… biomass…

    October 26, 2013 at 11:25
  25. ddd

    No, Just no

    October 26, 2013 at 11:33
  26. PLT

    I was reading the other new article on eve24 and this quote just perfectly fits in with Gevlon’s post:

    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” – Albert Einstein

    October 26, 2013 at 11:47
    1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      I’m not sure if it fits, but Goblin definitely proves that theory beyond a shadow of doubt.

      October 26, 2013 at 16:58
  27. die

    are you always fucking wrong? like seriously man fuck off. no one cares that you dont like eve. fuckin end your miserable life if its that much of a struggle for you to exist without spewing bile from your neck hole. fuckin wanker…

    October 26, 2013 at 13:07
  28. i only read headlines

    “How to make EVE a bit safer but much more popular?”

    – It is easy.. we just have to get players like Gevlon Goblin out of Eve.. somehow.

    October 26, 2013 at 13:23
  29. How?

    How does that feel to be the most hated player in EvE Online? Plz tell me gelvon.

    October 26, 2013 at 13:26
  30. Ganimoth

    How do we have to pay so you will stop posting here?

    October 26, 2013 at 13:28
  31. 2.4

    This is why EVEnews24 is shit…

    October 26, 2013 at 14:12
  32. Dick Hauer

    Whoa… this is the WORST one yet! Surely this is a troll?
    To put things into perspective, i have played eve for a year … about 8 hours a days cuz im a part time working nerd. I have been awoxed 0 times… ganked while mining: 0 times.

    Isnt it possible to change prìorities in overview so that a -10 shows up above “same corp” icon.?

    October 26, 2013 at 14:41
  33. ravan hekki

    You have had a look at the overview setting right? You know you can set it up so -10 takes priority. Everything else is pants on head retarded.

    October 26, 2013 at 15:03
  34. Cold as ice

    A corp isnt a fucking country.. Its.. a corporation.
    If i own a company, i have access to all
    i can close the company. Lay everyone off take the assets.
    My employees cant stop me.

    And if you are just tard in the corp. None of said assets belong to you.

    October 26, 2013 at 16:40
  35. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

    Riverini, why do you let Goblin post his drivel here? He is only dragging your site down.
    If it wasn’t for you, he would have no voice in which to spew his idiocy… No other site will give him the time of day because all he proves with each and every article is that he is a gibbering moron.

    He thinks he can hack out some lines without even having a clue as to what he is talking about, and magically turn Eve (a game that is unique and has survived all this time because of that fact) into a spaceship muppets version of WoW. All that would do is destroy what is Eve, forever.

    Please, in the name of all that is decent and sane, please, please stop letting him do it here.

    October 26, 2013 at 16:51
    1. Titus Veridius

      Why do we keep clicking on Miley Cyrus links? The same reason people take bread to small zoos without security staff; to wad it up into little balls, throw the bread in between two Polar Bears and wait and see what happens.

      October 26, 2013 at 18:36
  36. abcd

    Awfull ideas, all of them.

    October 26, 2013 at 17:00
  37. slartybartfastiq

    stopped reading at “a bit safer” – brain just turned off completely.

    October 26, 2013 at 17:07
  38. heh

    Why does Eve need to be made safer? If I can live next to 9uy where a week long battle of 1000+ guys keeps happening on a daily basis… I think high sec people can handle a stupid suicide ganker. Whiners.

    October 26, 2013 at 17:30
  39. seanjean

    he has correctly identified a core issue in eve. for all the talk about about a sandbox game, there are no tools to prevent griefing, awoxing, or spying. Not even teh CEO and directors can do it. As long as the character is clean of connections to “bad guys” there is literally nothing you can do to stop a spy. NOTHING. All the EVE nerds shitting up the comments section here are the same ones who scream bloody fucking murder when something is nerfed or buffed and “there is no counter.” There is no counter to the spy game. Why aren’t you bitching about it?

    October 26, 2013 at 17:30
    1. heh

      Spying is a meta game and there is a meta game to prevent it. It’s called don’t give rights to people you don’t know. There’s a reason why some people will never make it to the top of certain coalitions… and it has nothing to do with their gaming ability, how good they are, and how cool they are. It has to do with the fact that only limited people are given access because they are people that can be trusted. There’s good players and theres trusted players. They never have to be the same people but sometimes can be. Sometimes people make mistakes and give trust too quickly… and they get burned. That’s Eve.

      October 26, 2013 at 17:35
      1. best_burek

        Isn’t it funny how the ones that are trusted are always the ones that fuck over the corp or alliance. Go figure v0v

        October 26, 2013 at 21:45
        1. slartybartfastiq

          err, yeah. because if you’re not trusted you do not have the opportunity. As a percentage, I assure you, trustworthy people screw you less than random people you met on the street.

          October 28, 2013 at 15:41
      2. seanjean

        The idea that trust has anything to do with it is fatally flawed. Spies are poised for either information gathering or covert action. The information gatherers won’t ever break your trust. The flow of information is more important than discoverable action. The covert actors wait for an opportune moment and then burn you. The former will have your trust and never appear to betray it. The latter only needs your trust until the moment of action. In both cases, there isn’t anything you can do to stop them.

        November 7, 2013 at 04:51
    2. Titus Veridius

      You are right. There is no protection to stop the consequences of human deception and betrayal other than the compartmentalization of information and assets, trust based decisions built on relationships built with other human beings that have evolved over perhaps years, imposing inconvenient role based restrictions on membership (like having no “directors” only titles with absolutely necessary roles assigned to what is called a “director”), securing large accumulations of goods and cash by CEOs onto accounts only they have access to, and limiting your exposure to betrayal by limiting your game play style (Only so and so are super fcs, and Revanants are not allowed to pvp ect)

      If only there were rules in place that made this not the only recourse. Like a criminal or civil court. Oh thats….how things are handled outside these considerations in real life? Well thats not really doable in Eve. So……what else can we do? I guess…..limit the freedom of action in the sandbox so that human beings willing to put forth unexpected amounts of effort to undermine organizations that spend less than reasonable amounts of time concerning themselves with the security of fake spaceship security, can’t fuck you over.

      Hrmmm.

      To be Realistic:

      No one really can deny that the corporation interface could use a rework. There are alot of counter-intuitive things built into the interface that are prone to unreasonable abuse or simply too ridiculous to not warrant reasonable changes. For instance, Directors have a certain unrestricted level of access to corporation wallets, and there are certain things that only CEOs can do, that are annoying, and should reasonably be assignable.

      October 26, 2013 at 18:29
  40. Titus Veridius

    Sure. The president can only:

    1. Declare war, and deploy troops with no structural or procedural accountability for up to 90, as long as he tells Congress it is happening within 48 hours under (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)
    2. Create debt or spend money absent of Congressional oversight with only the cooperation of the Federal Reserve Chairman
    3. Initiate SIOP firing orders for up to and including the destruction of planet earth multiples, or single countries with US Strategic Nuclear Forces through National Command Authority vested in orders originating from 2 individuals: the President and the Secretary Defense. That is to say, the order for nuclear weapons release requires approval of only two individuals, and can only originate with the President, as long as long as NCA is intact. The only structural safeguards built into the process are verification of identity involving two individuals at all levels; you are not legally allowed to question SIOP orders as long as both individuals agree that the authentication codes match at each level of the firing process. (POTUS can also fire successive SecDefs until he gets one he wants)(If this order is verified to have come from the next higher level of authority, it is valid)
    4. Issue orders to cease legitimate government activities for an indefinite period of time, or to carry out their daily operations in a manner beyond the legal limits of their authority has derived from Congressionally approved statute; only safeguard being political considerations.
    5. Order the movement of any government property to any location that is not specifically prohibited by Congress (even then extra-legal activity by US Presidents, including refusal to answer Congressional investigations in the last decade has gone largely unchecked by the Congress)

    6. Force banks to accept treasury bailouts via Presidential mandate
    7. Nationalize private companies
    8. Execute foreigners under the ambiguous and unlimited scope of the War on Terrorism, in any foreign country utilizing human assets, manned aircraft, or (and usually) unmanned drones. There is no warrant process or judicial review.
    9. Conduct virtually any activity in pursuit of counter-terrorism (except perhaps, as of yet, killing American citizens without trial) through FICA warrants that from leaked sources allegedly have less than a 1% denial rate, who’s warrant process is classified and subject to anonymous Judges picked by the President.
    10. Hold foreign citizens alleged to be involved at some level in terrorist activities, indefinitely at government facilities on foreign or non-CONUS US territory without legal protections, or writ of Mandamus protections (You can’t be ordered to show just cause for imprisonment of foreigners that you won’t acknowledge holding in say….Poland for example)
    11. Sign treaties that the US through tradition (not necessarily specific modern legal interpretation) is required to honor until being specifically countered by the Senate.
    12. Issue from or fill national strategic stockpiles (Petroleum, Helium, ect) without any real statutory limit.
    13. Spend money and or create debt with only practical necessity of cooperation of the Treasury Secretary or the Federal Reserve Chairman (whom the President hires) absent of any spending legislation constitutionally required to originate in the House of Representatives.

    YOUR RIGHT.

    The President of the US is basically an impotent suit monkey who’s only real power is to disappoint people.

    October 26, 2013 at 18:16
    1. Titus Veridius

      Yes, I duplicated one point. Oops

      October 26, 2013 at 18:17
    2. Titus Veridius

      Forgot to mention give preferential treatment to campaign contributors over secured investors when instigating an executive branch nationalization of a private (company), leaving said contributors they majority private stockholders of said company, even if said campaign contributors were the primary cause of that companies insolvency, and the ones primarily to lose if that company were to go through proper bankruptcy litigation.

      October 26, 2013 at 18:41
      1. Master Ochi

        Here you must be talking about Halliburton and Blackwater and the rest of the ‘contractors’. The Bush-Cheney administration made a few thousand of their closest friends billionaires with government contracts.
        My favorite was to the big campaign contributor who won the contract for providing portable shower facilities for military in Iraq and Afghanistan, they charged almost a million per shower, and the damn things were killing soldiers and diplomatic personnel by electrocution because of shoddy materials and neglected testing.

        October 27, 2013 at 01:09
        1. Titus Veridius

          They weren’t portable showers as you imagine them, though that isn’t to say that wasn’t a scam. These showers were actually railroad containers converted into living faclility/shower facility. Their portability is that they are lifted onto the beds of semi-tractor trailers to be moved around base or from base to base. They are tiled, have plug and play plumbing connections, tile floors, and heat/AC. If I hadn’t actually used them I know I would have a different image of “portable showers”. There

          October 27, 2013 at 14:25
      2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        No, there was no “nationalization” of Halliburton or Blackwater. The only major corporation to be “Nationalized” recently was GM, and yes the stockholders was fist-fucked up the ass in a massive way…. many lost their entire retirement portfolios and had to go to work for McDonalds while in their 70’s and 80’s.
        But the presidents that caused the whole mess was 1st; Reagan, when he de-regulated the banks, Then Bush when he artificially kept interest rates low with an executive order, while inflation was getting revved up due to higher oil prices and the housing bubble grew at an alarming rate due to the artificially low interest rates.
        It was a bomb looking for a place to explode…. It did, right in our faces.

        October 27, 2013 at 14:40
    3. best_burek

      You also forgot to mention the exclusive use of the presidential throne.

      October 26, 2013 at 23:10
    4. wait what

      wish americans would leave the rest of the world alone, and commit mass suicide.

      October 27, 2013 at 00:36
      1. tbird90sc

        Hey asshole, can your cramped little brain tell the difference between the US government and the American people ? All the crap that ‘america’ is doing is being done by a shadow government which is neither by the people or for the people, and most of the people hate these scumbag infiltrators and their puppet front men. America is getting dangerously close to a civil war or revolution. We don’t want them here.

        November 1, 2013 at 01:08
  41. FA for the Win

    Glevon Goblin for FA FC.

    October 26, 2013 at 18:44
  42. Stopposting

    What is overview settings?

    October 26, 2013 at 18:48
  43. Bodb Derg

    What a load of crap. If you think all these things mentioned above should be implemented then you are AL playing Eve wrong. Go back to WoW.

    October 26, 2013 at 19:30
  44. BadSanta

    For once GG makes a semi valid point, maybe not quite in the form of the solutions he provided but has raised a good point, however if the person is in the position to remove assets a 24 hour cool down isnt gonna stop this, how ever a 2 man checkpoint may, but i guess thats what the shares are for right? maybe make the whole shares in a corp a more prominant feature where share holders have to vote on any large isk withdrawals etc.

    but as I said GG has raised a half tidy issue, and i reckon anyone who argues this point either employs awoxing as a tactic or just hates GG lol

    October 26, 2013 at 20:04
  45. FA Every Day

    The thing is in the CFC you can never trust Goons. So implementing these changes. Would play into the hands of the CFC overall as FA would have much more controll over worst elements in the CFC and help us to bring law and order to what has always been an unruly and disorganised gang of thugs.

    October 26, 2013 at 20:18
    1. FA Diploma

      Glevon Goblin for FA FC,

      October 26, 2013 at 20:23
  46. TC

    Your points are pointless. EvE is supposed to be dangerous.
    HTFU.

    October 26, 2013 at 20:32
  47. TerraK

    here we go, again bear’s tears.

    October 26, 2013 at 22:14
  48. Ishtah

    Please go try to ruin a different game.

    October 26, 2013 at 23:00
  49. NaxyA

    ya all just jealous of him.. i can`t wait for the patch that will bring pandas to eve ..imagine you fly in space and a panada will be there with you 😀 so rewarding and .. the feeling of safety

    October 27, 2013 at 00:03
  50. jack

    wtf is this crap

    October 27, 2013 at 01:37

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