There are awful lot of zero-sum PvP games where the loser loses ranking, kill:death ratio and other stats. Yet these games are popular. The PvP games where you can farm XP and credits, therefore “progress” like in World of Tanks or League of Legends are even more popular, despite you still have losses in the individual game. I don’t think that the losses make EVE a small niche game.

It’s not even “unfair”, ganking PvP. You have little effect on the outcome of a World of Tanks game or a World of Warcraft battlegrounds. You are just one soldier in the battle. Sometimes the game is lost on loading screen due to matchmaking unbalance, teammate AFK or something like that. Still these games are popular.

The thing that all PvP games have but EVE doesn’t is the ability to trust in your teammates. In these games you fight side by side with other players. They might suck or even go AFK. But griefing is rare, banned and its effect limited to one short battle. Also, by handpicking your team, you can be 100% free of AFK-ers, noobs and griefers.

Not in EVE. In EVE a single hostile getting into your team can destroy a supercapital fleet, drop Sov, steal everything or simply go on an unstoppable awox spree. This is a bad design, not because these actions are “bad”, but because the individual player is completely powerless to do something about it. Only the leadership of his corporation/alliance can keep spies out. The little guy can only hope that they succeed.

You might say “but EVE supposed to be real”, but such spying power is not real. The president of a country cannot disable all infrastructure, grab everything in the treasury and jump it in a minute to a hostile country all by himself. Such act would need a huge conspiracy to bypass the checks and balances.

I do not suggest to ban spying or GMs reverse awoxes. I want built-in tools to limit the effect a spy can do. My suggestions:

– Remove highsec awoxing. Simply make shooting corpmates a suicide gank. Since there are duels, there is no legitimate need of shooting a corpmate.

– Make set standings take precedence over corp/alliance membership. If you set a corpmate -10, he still shows up as green and not red. Fix it, so a low/null awoxer can be marked after his first awox and also locked out of services. (I understand that instant-kicking is not possible due to abusing it to avoid war targets in highsec)

– Create a time lock for every possibly harmful activity. It can be activated selectively and makes actions like offlining a tower, SBU, TCU, cancelling a job, removing stront from the tower, disbanding the alliance, kicking corps or even members impossible. To perform the action, first you have to switch off time lock, wait 24 hours and then perform it. This way the members have 24 hours to respond before the bad thing happens.

– Daily withdraw limits to hangars and wallets. You can only remove this amount a single day. The limit itself can be time-locked, so the rogue director can’t just remove it.

– “Equal share” setting. By switching it on, the shares of the corporation are equally distributed between members all the time, allowing them to vote out the CEO. Protectable by time lock too.

– Automatic reimbursement feature. The replacement of lost combat ships are the largest ISK sinks of an alliance, so automatizing it would remove lot of ISK from the hands of people who could steal it. You just put the ISK to the reimbursement wallet and automatic algorithms send it to players who lost their ship in an eligible way. It would also remove huge administrative workload.

With such improvements, the players could more easily trust in their blues/greens, allowing much more players to participate in group content. And we know that group integration is the best predictor of remaining in the game.


  1. Ur a idiot

    Kill yourself dumb fuck

    October 25, 2013 at 17:17
  2. Chuck Snorris

    Every hurdle that you speak of can be overcome. The standings deal, the security etc etc. You just have not played the game long enough or well enough to figure it out. Why do we have to have an article from you when you should probably join a good corp and alliance and LEARN THE GAME!

    October 25, 2013 at 17:20
  3. Former Kadeshi Grunt

    I starter reading the article without checking who was the writer. Then, i read the “It´s not “unfair, ganking PvP.” part and, suddenly like a brick, just made of crap, i knew who was the writer. The only writer in evenews that, alone, can make all the staff IQ drop by half.

    Thanks, Glevon but, no, thanks, no more chances for you.

    Fly safe.

    Former Kadeshi Grunt

    October 25, 2013 at 17:22
  4. navo

    Good ideas

    October 25, 2013 at 17:26
  5. Lawful-Insanity

    Ok so eve should be wow? Lol eve is eve because of these features. Its why we love it. It seperated eve from shit like wow. If u want wow then shutup and go play it.

    October 25, 2013 at 17:27
  6. Dudumarus

    i know it …i know it dude STOP go back to WoW, i think you missed

    October 25, 2013 at 17:31
    1. Just a guy

      WoW has over 10 mil subscribers. I will break it down for you so even you can get it… 10 mil. people pay a monthly fee to play that game. Every month, in case you didn’t get it. They are not mining their ass off to buy a Plex. So… how many people actually pay for this shitty top griefer game?

      October 25, 2013 at 17:52
      1. Raze

        Who gives a fuck? we enjoy it.
        If you think its shit, go play something else!

        October 25, 2013 at 18:23
      2. Kim

        So people who are mining there ass off to buy a plex, are lost money for CCP?
        You might think, that PLEX are growing on fluffy fluffy lala trees, but i have to tell you:

        They don’t

        October 25, 2013 at 21:38
      3. Dudumarus

        Dude THIS IS EVE !!!! if you don’t like it get off. SANDBOX??? I don’t give a shi…about WoW and his 10 mil subs because there are 10 mil games like WoW but no other live EvE.

        October 28, 2013 at 07:53
  7. Dr0000

    Why is it any time someone says something bad about griefing, a herd of neckbeards rolls in and starts with the “durr WOW! BAD! YOU WOW! durp”

    EVE is supposed to be a game griefing is possible, not the only sensible thing to do.

    October 25, 2013 at 17:42
  8. Siddereus

    Glevon Goblin, your articles are full of shit and tears. EN24 is loosing a shitton of credibility because of you and I think Riverini is insane if he let’s you continue to write crappy articles for EN24.

    October 25, 2013 at 17:42
    1. nullstorm

      Why the fuck would he stop? riverini gives no shits about his reputation, as long as he keeps getting the pageviews and ad revenue, and Goblin’s sperglord articles get twice as many views as anyone else’s, just from the people coming in and shitting all over.

      October 27, 2013 at 11:30
  9. Alex J

    WOW, you know this idiot rwrites a few articles that make a small amount of sense and you start forgetting why you thought he was so fucking retarded, and then this gets posted… Get out of my game.

    October 25, 2013 at 18:05
  10. Djm

    hmmm this guy isn´t real, he is just a ghostwriter for mittani to troll us all!

    October 25, 2013 at 18:11
  11. Necromonger

    its actualy around 7 million and thats included asia who do not pay a sub as we in the west do.
    They pay 4 cent per hour and only have to log in once a month to get accounted for as a fully subbed subsciber.
    So in reality WoW always cheated hardcore with their actual subs.
    Asia plays almost for free while we in EU/USA pay the full price and looking at our servers 70% are ghostowns for a long time.

    That doesnt mean wow at one point made 5 million dollar a day tough as that was confirmed a few years back at the peak of the game and in the middle of WoTLK.
    Wich is a record that wont be broken anytime soon.

    But again Eve is Eve and i like how it is now except for the afk cloaking faggots who camp a system 23.5 hours a day while not being at their pc.
    This is something i just dont understand from CCP.

    When you go afk in enemy systems they should be able to hunt you down.
    Its a complete failure then i can cloak up leave my char in a system and never have to worry about being found.
    The effect for the enemy is that their system is now totaly useless for income.
    Just with me there sitting afk in a safe spot.
    Eve itself should never be changed to a carebear game of safety.

    I live by the golden rule someone told me a long time ago.
    Never fly what you cant afford, and if you undock expect to die.
    I lived in hisec for 3 months moved to nullsec and never looked back.
    This game breaths pvp, scamming, spying, warfare, griefing.
    No other game on the market provide this kind of gameplay.

    Thats why all the other mmo’s suck and fail 3 months after release and Eve is the only mmo that can keep its head up and laugh at all the carebear mmo’s that go free to play or needs to close their doors.

    Eve is Real.

    October 25, 2013 at 18:11
    1. na

      Agree with afk cloaker part, CCP should create a new skill and mod that is dependent on a pos dude deploying a ship scanning aoe structure that can send out a signal that decloacks cloackers. A cloacked ship will get a warning that this feature is active so the cloacker can warp cloacked and remain undetected. If the cloacker does not heed to the warning he/she can be warped apon. Say level 5 this feature can be used 5x times for arguments sake in 23.5hours and lasts for several minutes. Thus you can still remain cloacked but active and not afk.

      Thus the mod is destructable like a sbu, if destroyed back to the status quo of afk cloacker griefers imo.

      Damn, even better move to another system and bear, saves CCP coding.

      October 25, 2013 at 20:22
    2. Iminyoursystemcloaked

      However it should still be possible to hide inside a station for as long as it takes for hostiles to go away?
      If they are allways afk why are they any kind of a problem?

      October 26, 2013 at 18:54
  12. vaga pilot

    If an EVE player leaves towards WOW the average IQ of both communities rises.

    GG, you ve done it WRONG!

    October 25, 2013 at 18:12
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    October 25, 2013 at 18:16
  14. DURP!

    Your Dumb. I play eve because it is dog eat dog. Change that and I might as well go play hello kitty online.

    October 25, 2013 at 18:18
  15. gayvlon gayblin

    I’m kinda happy that this guy vomits his paranoid thoughts out on evenews24 and not in rl. Otherwise he would already sit in an asylum. Or does he actually play Eve in an asylum?

    October 25, 2013 at 18:24
  16. Overman

    No one says EVE is real and means it. GTFO it’s a stupid game about space ships. … prepare for splerg.

    Basically, he wants a happy EVE. Unfortunately, Happy EVE doesn’t create content to get people online. It makes people log the fuck off and quit the game. Your ideas kill the sense of

    How about an Analogy? No one would’ve played Mass Effect without the narrative of a crisis. We’d have just been fucking nerds on the Citadel.. You’re reduciing opportunities for crisis and muting their effect. The “effect” is a sense of urgency that makes this game great and makes those content & narrative rich fights that people OOG hear about and what to join over…

    The Great war which killed BOB came about because people were careless and comfortable. That carelessness created one of the best wars in EVE. This enriched EVE when it still needed that Narrative. EVE still does. Desperately. You want to eliminate risk and opportunity which was integral to this game. You’re taking notches off the board of competency that we were told distinguished winners from losers. EVE has largely been a meritocracy where persistence and patience is rewarded and carelessness is punishable.

    Opportunities which draw 1000s of people into EVE because of the Narrative will never come with these kinds of safeguards.

    You don’t like them? Be better. Learn from your mistakes. Think more. Recruit better. This creates a more engrossing EVE experience. THAT is what makes EVE fun. What you’re proposing kills a lot of the organic development of the game.

    Please just think a bit more before you collect your 20 pieces of silver for your articles.


    October 25, 2013 at 18:34
    1. Overman

      Fail proofread.. *helps the sense of urgency and dire narrative that the game needs.

      *Opportunities which draw 1000s of people into EVE due to the Narrative will never come with these kinds of safeguards.

      October 25, 2013 at 18:38
      1. ov

        Helps kill*

        Fuck writing. Back to sleep.

        October 25, 2013 at 18:43
  17. sadfs

    “The thing that all PvP games have but EVE doesn’t is the ability to trust in your teammates.”

    That quote is just fucking hilarious to me. It perfectly sums up your history with gaming, more specificly that you apparently

    a) don’t play Eve
    b) don’t play other games.

    October 25, 2013 at 18:53
  18. Malik Fett

    this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever barely started to read and couldn’t finish because it was so bad. I can’t even comment further than that.

    October 25, 2013 at 19:13
  19. slo

    So 1 person can destroy your super capitals what a piece of crap article.

    October 25, 2013 at 19:16
  20. :|

    Get out.

    October 25, 2013 at 19:17
  21. Budnacho

    Are there Unicorns in this Fantasy world he’s living in?

    Wouldn’t be a Fantasy-World without Unicorns……

    October 25, 2013 at 19:17
  22. crysantos

    How to spot our moron of infinity: headline. “how to make eve a bit safer…” Your mental diarrhea is reaching new dimensions, could you please go back to wow and stay there? But first let me double your isks…

    October 25, 2013 at 19:17
  23. Dave From FA

    I like these ideas and I do get the point, reducing the risk increases the social reward

    October 25, 2013 at 19:22
  24. FA Diplo

    My alliance completely agrees with this post. Good job Gevlon you can consider yourself a FA embasador.

    October 25, 2013 at 19:24
    1. I am the Jesus of FA

      If you could spell “ambassador” correctly people might think you are a real FA diplo.
      Just saying, since you copy and pasted it twice now on two different names :).

      October 25, 2013 at 22:27
  25. CMIV

    This is spectacularly bad. Possibly the worst GG piece ever. And that is really saying something.

    October 25, 2013 at 19:27
  26. Matthew

    “The president of a country cannot disable all infrastructure, grab everything in the treasury and jump it in a minute to a hostile country all by himself. Such act would need a huge conspiracy to bypass the checks and balances”
    No, but CEO’s of companies can do this. Enron, Tyco are just a few examples where we thought people would do the “ethical” thing.

    October 25, 2013 at 19:40
  27. GrouchyOldGamer

    You can tell the author spends most of his time playing with only himself.

    October 25, 2013 at 19:50
  28. FA Diplo

    Let me repeat myself for all you nubes missing my post.

    My alliance completely agrees with this post. Good job Gevlon you can consider yourself a FA embasador.

    October 25, 2013 at 19:56
    1. Dave From FA

      It’s on America’s tortured brow
      That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow
      Now the workers have struck for fame
      ‘Cause Lennon’s on sale again
      See the mice in their million hordes
      From Ibiza to the Norfolk Broads
      Rule Britannia is out of bounds
      To my mother, my dog, and clowns
      But the film is a saddening bore
      ‘Cause I wrote it ten times or more
      It’s about to be writ again
      As I ask you to focus on

      October 26, 2013 at 00:13
  29. Juris

    oh look, another horrible Gevlon Grubbins idea

    October 25, 2013 at 20:14
  30. ballsonacupcake

    This is satire right? Like an Onion article?

    October 25, 2013 at 20:24
  31. Here we go again...

    More whining..

    October 25, 2013 at 20:27
  32. xanox

    The reason EVE is not a safe game is that to keep LoL, WoT or any other safe RPG retarded players out of our game. Even that is not good enough since your stupid ass is here.

    So why dont you get the fuck out of our faces with this kinda bullshit and stick to making money in your high sec or where ever the fuck you came from and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    Thx bye

    October 25, 2013 at 20:27
  33. Prial

    I started reading this but quickly became to insulted but what your asking to finish the article.

    October 25, 2013 at 20:38
  34. why do you eve play this game? go back to wow we don’t want you here.

    October 25, 2013 at 20:39
  35. Spite

    “Make set standings take precedence over corp/alliance membership. If you set a corpmate -10, he still shows up as green and not red. Fix it, so a low/null awoxer can be marked after his first awox and also locked out of services”

    You mean you dont know how to use your overview settings?
    Lololol. Aside from the fact you are terribly inept at this game, other than ganking (which you are oh so good at, PvP God) You really should ask that one friend of yours in this game (I’m sure someone has enough pity to talk to you regularly) before you post retarded articles again. Everything in this is a bad idea. Everything

    October 25, 2013 at 20:41
  36. Ahost

    Riverini, I am sure you think letting people like GG be featured on EN24 gives it variety and breaks it away from the status quo, but this is going too far.

    Seriously, take out the garbage writers like GG and find people who are capable of musing about game changes that aren’t derived from other games. EVE is unlike any other game, and that is why it should never be compared to other games.

    Kick this fool off your site or you can continue watching EN24 spiral into the abyss of irrelevancy.

    October 25, 2013 at 20:52
  37. Burseg Sardaukar

    Does anyone else jump down to the comments first before reading a Glevon Goblin article or is it just me?

    October 25, 2013 at 20:53
    1. Simon pieman

      To be honest i don’t even read them, they are always shocking i just like to cunt the little faggot off.

      October 25, 2013 at 22:55
      1. Internet Lawyer

        Except this comment. Thats just dull and unimaginitive.

        October 26, 2013 at 00:12
    2. Internet Lawyer

      Hell yeah. The article is already retardedly hilarious, but the comments are pure comedy gold.

      October 26, 2013 at 00:11
    3. Lucy

      LoL… i did just that 😀
      I often read hes articles for the giggles, but with that topic..^^ i just could not read it.. So i jumped straight down here and the first thing i see was this comment 😀 +1 sir

      October 26, 2013 at 00:43
    4. seems like it

      October 26, 2013 at 01:51
    5. Eve Player


      October 27, 2013 at 14:46
  38. Sinep

    Without looking I can just imagine what the comment section for this post looks like.

    October 25, 2013 at 21:03
  39. Atogrim

    Crawl back under your stone.

    October 25, 2013 at 21:16
  40. Vorengard

    Literally none of these ideas are good. Have you eve actually worked a POS or SOV mechanics? 24 hour time limit to change stront? That’s exactly what I want, now I cant adjust my timers if my tower gets hit. Same for taking down a tower, I have to wait 24 hours? WTF WHY? Automatic reimbursement? No way THAT could be awoxed. 1. join enemy corp, 2. lose tons and tons of ships, they have no more SRP fund 3. win. Shut up, sit down and HTFU.

    October 25, 2013 at 21:17
    1. SRP

      You clearly have never ran the hell spawn that is an SRP…. Most people that are heavily involved in a SRP program would more then love a little help in the automation department… While i dont agree with the fact that it should auto payout, but a system that would present you a listing of kill mails and a summery of the entities involved, based on a set of criteria that office could define in game, would be awesome. An automated payment system where the user could specify to the game to pay out x amount, or re-imburse x amount to each piloet on the report would be a gift from evejesus.

      October 26, 2013 at 00:54
      1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        That can be done by your alliances’ nerd herd. If they aren’t smart enough to pull it off, then recruit some more IT guys.

        October 26, 2013 at 17:15
        1. SRP

          The point is, Nerd herd shouldn’t have too… If this was a F2P game maybe, but having to build out side resources to support basic functionality in the game is a retarded model….

          October 27, 2013 at 13:28
  41. Kuro

    Do you even play EVE?
    Cause if you do, it sounds like you rather wouldnt…

    October 25, 2013 at 21:24
  42. Just another pilot

    Well, I never post here but when I do I drink beer.

    But this one I could not stay out. I see issues in all items and some were discussed already by others but these I have to add some comments:

    “- Remove highsec awoxing. Simply make shooting corpmates a suicide gank. Since there are duels, there is no legitimate need of shooting a corpmate.” – Many corps I know promote battles in hisec between all its members but all at the same time and the surviving pilot gets a prize, this helps them to learn/improve pvp skills. A duel can’t be properly worked out on something like that.

    “- “Equal share” setting. By switching it on, the shares of the corporation are equally distributed between members all the time, allowing them to vote out the CEO. Protectable by time lock too.”- as a corp CEO and owner of all shares, this basically tells for corps like mine that own many BPOs that we can’t have members, as with that access my members would be able to basically take the BPO’s bought by corp/myself.
    EVE isn’t a game to be safe, it isn’t similar to other games. that is why many go play WOT or LOL but they all come back to EVE.
    The thrill of EVE is the risk taking you go through anytime you log into the game. Not knowing if you will lose or win, but you accept the challenge when you get online.
    If EVE becomes another WOW, LOL, WOT many will depart from it. I saw many to rage quit cause they lost something or were scammed. They didn’t understand the concept of EVE. EVE is a place of risk and risk taking. If you willing to do it and manage that you have a fun time, killing, being killed, awoxing, scamming, trading, mining, whatever is your game style preference.

    October 25, 2013 at 21:27
  43. Impass

    I don’t want to trust anyone, I don’t want overly exessive security. I want excitement on my terms and when and how I want. If I want theme parks and ponies, I’d play something else.

    October 25, 2013 at 21:48
    1. Impass

      Even more: I don’t want eve to leave its niche!! Eve is best without many players.
      more players only means more idiots who ruin the game.

      October 25, 2013 at 21:52
  44. bob

    “Make set standings take precedence over corp/alliance membership” like overview settings?

    October 25, 2013 at 22:04
  45. bob

    Goblin do you not realize how much content, war, conquest, rivalries and entertainment has been produced because Eve is dangerous, corrupt, and NOT SAFE?

    October 25, 2013 at 22:09
    1. Gobtard

      Of course he doesn´t. He never assembled the courage to be part of those things, thats why he whines about them. Instead he station trades all day and ganks helpless miners.

      October 27, 2013 at 00:18
  46. Brockmist

    This would have to be the worst article I have read about Eve….you appear to have missed what makes Eve well Eve. It is differenet unique and should stay that way

    October 25, 2013 at 22:30
  47. Can we have a block list for posters please Riv?

    October 25, 2013 at 23:00
  48. Kannix Bindoof

    Damn political correct lefties. They are everywhere. Leave eve the way it is.

    October 25, 2013 at 23:06
  49. Kitty Baugh

    Jesus christ you just get more retarded with every post.

    October 25, 2013 at 23:30
  50. Sur Manda

    Nooo, another Wow like Goblin post!!!! I dont want to live in this planet anymore!!

    October 25, 2013 at 23:31

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