The following post was originally published in FHC, there is a summary down there for the TL;DR afflicted – I guess is not always sunny in badgerdelphia…
Rumor has it HBC’s THORN Alliance is leaving, as they are being forced out of making Supers and have had half their income eliminated by RDN.’s greedy BOBit leftovers.
A couple weeks back THORN leadership was contacted by Montolio, to get all of their space and R64 moons in Querious ready to transfer to Raiden. Even their sacred home constellation of B-7 and surroundings. THORN
was shocked by all this, as they were “offered” Stain Neos as replacement.. and to live out their days in terrible Catch. The constant asset harassment by -DD- in Stain means no money will be made off those moons.
The logs say it all, Kaisur from RDN. on his first power trip against THORN for no apparent reason:
Conversation with [email protected] at 2/21/2013 5:49:24 AM on [email protected]/ (jabber)
(5:49:24 AM) Kaisur: still there?
(6:16:24 AM) Kaisur: ….
(12:32:06 PM) Lucian James: am now
(12:38:48 PM) Kaisur: we are fighting now
(3:56:58 PM) Kaisur: you there?
(4:01:34 PM) Kaisur:
its important. i will leave the message. on that querious sov transfer, give evemaps.dotlan.net/system/V-3U8T to rdn (evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Didn%27t_want_that_corp_anyway) its how it was sorted and someone screw up that realaying it. .
(5:22:48 PM) Lucian James: no it wasn’t
(5:22:54 PM) Lucian James: monti said we’re getting that const. already xferred
(5:24:59 PM) Lucian James: confirmed with his last night bud
(5:25:02 PM) Lucian James: *him
(2:31:32 AM) Kaisur: then he doesnt understand what we ask for.
(2:35:36 AM) Kaisur: so before you drop li3 hold until i tell montolio to tell you to drop that system, viewing this wont be sorted directly with you.
(12:10:45 PM) Lucian James: hey man Ender Fal has some more information for ya along these lines.. and is on jabber atm and can chat
(5:03:10 PM) Kaisur: no lucian, you make a mistake and as second mistake you didnt waited until this is solved and you started to flip sov, so finally that system will need to be flipped again
(9:59:52 PM) Lucian James: I confirmed it with Monti
(9:59:57 PM) Lucian James: no mistakes made here
(10:00:35 PM) Lucian James: you’re not taking all the neo and dyspro and leaving us with shit to pay sov man :p
(10:01:51 PM) Lucian James: but if you want the sov and not the moons, have at it!
(10:02:45 PM) Lucian James: but about 80-90% of the isk we’d make to pay for the Li3 sov is in that const… so…… not really sure what you’re goin for there.
(10:09:18 PM) Lucian James: but i did confirm it with monti as i was taking the moons, as he was telling me he wanted to split the space to make sure we both had neo etc……..
(3:43:15 AM) Kaisur: yes, i will confirm motolio about what will happens from now with thorn alliance
(5:04:14 AM) Lucian James: i have convo logs from monti saying to take it dude
(5:05:09 AM) Lucian James: 2 sets, last from about 1.5 days ago.
(5:06:13 AM) Lucian James: don’t fault me for what i was told to do twice before you said ‘stop’
(5:06:36 AM) Kaisur: i dont mind
(5:06:45 AM) Lucian James: <3
(5:06:55 AM) Lucian James: hey
(5:07:00 AM) Lucian James: f you want it bad in the moons..
(5:07:06 AM) Lucian James: would you jsut trade it and the moons for this const?
(5:07:07 AM) Lucian James: evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Querious/8ET-D1#sec
(5:07:14 AM) Lucian James: one or the other would be fine by us\
(5:07:33 AM) Kaisur: no, is not about taking 1 moon, 2 moons or shit constellation
(5:08:09 AM) Lucian James: if i may inquire as to waht it’s about perhaps we can sort it between eachother?
(5:08:15 AM) Kaisur: is about getting what i ask as first time since we are in hbc
(5:08:23 AM) Lucian James: i certainly dont want to be a pain in your ass
(5:08:57 AM) Kaisur: you will tell me how it goes when we move out there and nobody forms for defending stuff
(5:09:58 AM) Lucian James: well we’re all in teh hbc man and from what i can tell the space was split merely evenly a number of ways to make sure we both some something minor but equal to take care of that crap
(5:10:02 AM) Lucian James: so…….
(5:10:40 AM) Lucian James: i dont see how you feel at all disrespected.. as i sense that’s the case.. rather completely respected.. but i dont know any other details from YOUR end or what you talked about with whom
(5:10:52 AM) Kaisur: we are all in hbc but some of us try to fight hostiles, and some try to build their empires and hide. or worst die horribly because they thing they can face off darkess of dispair alone
(5:10:53 AM) Lucian James: and i dont wnat ANY of that space, really
(5:11:11 AM) Lucian James: i jsut dont wnat chunks of it that i dont have a chunk of moons to pay for it
(5:11:20 AM) Lucian James: that’s literally all i’m lookin at here
(5:11:26 AM) Kaisur: then go to stain and pick up some mooons there
(5:11:29 AM) Lucian James: nothing there is worth any drama
(5:11:33 AM) Kaisur: oh wait, that implies work
(5:12:05 AM) Kaisur: as i said, first, i dont mind
(5:12:05 AM) Lucian James: i’m not sure if you’re implying that THORN isn’t an active member neough of the HBC..
(5:12:16 AM) Kaisur: we will do our own and then ask. like everybody seems to do in here
(5:12:23 AM) Lucian James: but we put in PLENTY of time over months and then some..
(5:12:35 AM) Lucian James: we’ve moving back to delve actually in about 5 days
(5:12:50 AM) Lucian James: we had to finish off all that CATCH space we busted our asses over
(5:13:01 AM) Lucian James: space WE were ASKED to take
(5:13:09 AM) Lucian James: (after onyl wating ONE const there)
(5:13:18 AM) Lucian James: so really
(5:13:19 AM) Lucian James: really
(5:13:24 AM) Lucian James: if YOU are workign your ass off
(5:13:28 AM) Lucian James: we’re in the same boat man
(5:13:37 AM) Kaisur: lol
(5:15:41 AM) Lucian James: the only thing THORN gets out of querious is doing what we were asked to do again.. 1 neo/dyspro top pay for some of it.. taxes and some corp profit cobalt from the rest.
(5:15:59 AM) Lucian James: a lot of work for little net gain
(5:16:06 AM) Lucian James: if you want it all
(5:16:18 AM) Lucian James: be my guest man.
(5:16:22 AM) Lucian James: we’re not here to be space hogs
(5:16:32 AM) Kaisur: i told you, i dont mind your point of view about this. seems like the poor victim defending himself
(5:16:57 AM) Lucian James: well i hope you’re not mad at monti or someone else who cut the space up
(5:17:08 AM) Lucian James: to amek sure both side could pay bills
(5:17:08 AM) Kaisur: im not mad at all
(5:17:19 AM) Kaisur: im only telling how stuff will work from now
(5:17:23 AM) Lucian James: well you seemed like it 5 mins ago ;p
(5:17:40 AM) Lucian James: unless it’s me and 5am and mad caffeine
(5:18:37 AM) Lucian James: but perhaps the hints of hostility weren’t directed at thorn
(5:18:42 AM) Kaisur: as last time, i dont mind, seems this coalition is forged in jabber-online instead eve online. if anytime montolio logs in, i will explain him what is going to happens now
(5:18:49 AM) Kaisur: and have fun
(5:20:36 AM) Lucian James: i’m not sure if there’s a language thing, jsut me, or if i’m missing something.. but i can’t really see thru any head games right now. if you want that ALL of that querious space.. please take it! just tell me now so I can post it and goto bed.
(5:24:02 AM) Kaisur: then you can go to bed, this is not going to be sorted between raiden and thorn because who needs to understand the current alliances situation is M. and is not here
(5:24:14 AM) Lucian James: ah
(5:24:52 AM) Kaisur: but dont settle too many stuff in Q.
(5:25:03 AM) Kaisur: its a good tip
(5:25:08 AM) Lucian James: well seriously.. if you want the WHOLE thing! i would love to give it up.. just really dont want swaths i can’t pay for. or perhaps if you wanted that neo/dyspro you jsut trade us a patch of cobalt?
(5:26:10 AM) Kaisur: grrr. again. is not only about 1 moon or one system. is about a new despise.
(5:26:27 AM) Kaisur: probably its too simple or too complex to be undestood at 5am
(5:26:45 AM) Lucian James: well you seem like you’r ebeing threatening or something ot my alliance. i’d be happy to paste you the logs that said, take that space and those moons
(5:26:58 AM) Kaisur: im not threatening thorn
(5:27:02 AM) Lucian James: oh ok whew
(5:27:09 AM) Lucian James: must be the caffeine
(5:27:14 AM) Kaisur: when you get a threat from raiden you will note it ffs
(5:27:19 AM) Lucian James: <3
(5:27:21 AM) Kaisur: btw we dont threat, we act
(5:28:11 AM) Lucian James: i’m sure i’d need lots of lube
(5:29:28 AM) Lucian James: ok then i’m gonna pass out. happy to re-sort anything later to make everyone happy.
A few days later, Monti approaches Argus, an XO from THORN “btw how much neo you got?”
(3:19:38 PM) Montolio: Hi
(3:19:41 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: hi
(3:20:18 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: alpha thought you might need to talk to me – not sure what it is about – although i can imagine that there are a great many things
(3:20:55 PM) Montolio: How are you doing?
(3:21:06 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I assume you mean Thorn.
(3:21:41 PM) Montolio: both
(3:22:02 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: Honestly, after the dust cleared last night. We are doing great. I think people got a lot of frustration out on us that they justifiably needed to, WAC was saved, we got a bunch of capitals in on the fight and I think that people (those who we care about) were appeased that we tossed in and did our part.
(3:22:40 PM) Montolio: How many moons do you own in Querious (neo) and how many in Catch (neo)?
(3:22:42 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I unfortunately was on night shifts the past two nights, so I was sitting on my phone at work trying to sort through all this crap. But I was happy we settled things.
(3:23:01 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I think we have a total of 5
(3:23:06 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 4 are in querious
(3:23:08 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 1 in catch
(3:23:31 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: but i don’t handle that stuff directly, would have to check to be sure
(3:24:13 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: but i am not off by more than a couple
(3:24:29 PM) Montolio: Can you check?
(3:24:34 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: yeah looking as we speak
(3:26:31 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 5
(3:26:34 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 4 in querious
(3:26:36 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 1 in catch
(3:26:53 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: will confirm that 100% with our pos guy asap, but that is 99% sure
(3:27:18 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: is there an issue?
(3:27:45 PM) Montolio: I’d like to do some space consolidation in general
(3:27:52 PM) Montolio: But I don’t want to fuck people over doing it
(3:28:13 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: if you are able to give me some idea what you have in mind, I can tell you how fucked over we’d be
(3:28:37 PM) Montolio: I’d like to give all TEST and THORN sov in Querious to Raiden – more or less
(3:28:40 PM) Montolio: Including the EMP systems
(3:29:23 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: well if you gave them little delve
(3:29:26 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we’d be pretty fucked
(3:29:51 PM) Montolio: What if I gave you neo outside of Querious
(3:29:53 PM) Montolio: out of my own pocket
(3:30:03 PM) Montolio: and paid you for the systems
(3:30:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: it isn’t the neo, it’s a place to build supers, make isk, etc…
(3:30:21 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: or JUST the neo I should say
(3:32:09 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: it’s ‘home’ if you will, not sure what their need for it is… I mean if I may be frank Monty, despite the shit that went down, THORN really does try very hard to be a good coalition member… we want to be involved WITH you guys. We roam with you, our fc’s lead fleets for your guys (and are popular from what I understand). I guess what I am asking, is this punitive?
(3:32:37 PM) Montolio: If you keep B-7D and the rest of little Delve goes to TEST but you have space communsim?
(3:33:03 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: are you asking us to live out of Catch?
(3:33:15 PM) Montolio: You can live out of B-7DFU if you want
(3:33:23 PM) Montolio: But I want our regions to become less balkanized
(3:33:33 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I mean we ended up with all this space in Catch and Delve because no one wanted it. Because we were asked to take it, and now we’re being asked to give up the only space we really want.
(3:34:21 PM) Montolio: Afaik you have double the number of Neo that Raiden does in Querious
(3:35:35 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: i can’t confirm that
(3:35:43 PM) Montolio: I’m pretty sure they have 2, tops 3
(3:36:15 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: well little delve has 3, the new space 2
(3:36:17 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: oops 1
(3:36:38 PM) Montolio: To be entirely frank – THORN has been fucking up quite often
(3:36:42 PM) Montolio: I really like THORN
(3:36:53 PM) Montolio: But I need some of these resources and strategic consolidation to make the coalition function better
(3:38:41 PM) Montolio: I don’t think you can deny that you’ve had several problems over the past few weeks
(3:39:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: We took space you asked us to take and never wanted. There are probably a dozen or more systems in Eso still with no hubs. We join coalition fleets, we fc coalition fleets, our numbers are decent most of the time now that we’re back in the area.
(3:39:37 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: And all we ever wanted
(3:39:41 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: was the B-7 constellation
(3:39:42 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: really
(3:40:11 PM) Montolio: 90% of the shit you did in Catch was entirely done independent
(3:40:52 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I was told no one wanted the space, and I know someone approached Ender about taking more systems just to get them out of -A- hands.
(3:41:10 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I am not saying there was no independent effort there – but at no point did anyone say “hey stop that”
(3:42:40 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: in fact it was encouraged. Because we got the systems out of -A- hands.
(3:43:13 PM) Montolio: Is keeping B-7D adequate?
(3:43:21 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: can we keep the constellation?
(3:44:26 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we’ll give up every piece of sov we own, catch included – that’s fine – we don’t want it, we just want that core constellation… that’s all.
(3:44:31 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: same space we started this with.
(3:44:44 PM) Montolio: No, I don’t think so
(3:44:56 PM) Montolio: We can talk about space in Delve when you guys have less fuckups in the short term
(3:45:38 PM) Montolio: You are welcome to use Delve as well, I don’t mind – but I want to consolidate Querious
(3:45:49 PM) Montolio: But doing so, I want to make it as acceptable as possible
(3:48:02 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I just don’t see what RDN has done that we don’t. Less fuck ups? Less risk too no? I mean – I am going to be frank. When the shit hits the fan and things get bad, and there is no space to be had anywhere – if it comes to that – THORN is far more likely to be at your back than RDN.
(3:48:37 PM) Montolio: Raiden has been doing a great job against the dudes in Stain
(3:48:50 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: Lucian always says that he loves this coalition, no matter what goes down – primarily because we’ve always known we could rely on you to keep your word – and I just think this is a huge blow.
(3:49:13 PM) Montolio: Sometimes I have to make hard decisions
(3:49:28 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: Do you want us out of the coalition? I mean is this an attempt to drive us out?
(3:49:33 PM) Montolio: No
(3:50:04 PM) Montolio: If I wanted you out, I’d just remove you
(3:50:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 5 systems. Only 4 more than you are offering us.
(3:50:10 PM) Montolio: But I don’t
(3:50:38 PM) Montolio: I’m trying to reduce the TEST footprint in places – and this is part of that effort
(3:50:45 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: and LWX?
(3:51:00 PM) Montolio: you can keep that, you can probably move into Delve outright if you want
(3:51:06 PM) Montolio: and we can talk about a Delve constellation in the future
(3:51:11 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: and you can give us some moons?
(3:51:15 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: so we can pay for shit
(3:51:25 PM) Montolio: We can give you moons in Stain
(3:52:14 PM) Montolio: But, long term, will need all of your systems in Querious
(3:52:24 PM) Montolio: We can discuss how to best sell that to membership and how to adequate compensate you guys
(3:52:37 PM) Montolio: Think about it, hit me up later – I don’t want THORN out of the coalition
(3:52:40 PM) Montolio: and I enjoy you guys
(3:52:43 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: so long term B-7 too>
(3:52:44 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: dude
(3:52:46 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: i enjoy you too
(3:52:51 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: i miss having you in our public chat
(3:53:04 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: and i’d hate to have to go back to blopsing your ratters – it got dull
(3:53:06 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: lol
(3:53:50 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: that’s a joke – not a threat by the way
(3:54:01 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: my sarcasm often translates poorly in text
(3:54:02 PM) Montolio: Yes – B-7 too
(3:54:09 PM) Montolio: I’m assuming you have shit in build
(3:54:13 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: yes
(3:54:25 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we have a titan worth of mins
(3:54:30 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: long way out from being done
(3:55:03 PM) Montolio: Alright – think about this hit me up later.
(3:55:11 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: ok buddy
(3:55:35 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: one second…
(3:55:42 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: any idea what you would eventually offer in delve?
(3:55:48 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: so i can have a carrot?
(3:55:50 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: to give people.
(3:56:14 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: oh and what do you want us to do with Catch?
(3:56:15 PM) Montolio: I don’t want to commit without having time to talk to Logistics
(3:56:19 PM) Montolio: Keep it
(3:56:30 PM) Montolio: Just defend the shit – don’t fuck up
(3:56:39 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: well if we want to make this work for us
(3:57:04 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: just concerned that owning vast amounts of catch sets us up to piss people off
(3:57:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: even if we do things right
(3:57:25 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: if we wanted to give some up, would we be able to ?
(3:57:27 PM) Montolio: I can bankroll ihubs
(3:57:32 PM) Montolio: I’d talk to INIT about that
(3:57:34 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: ok
(3:58:01 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we are short hubs there as you can imagine – partly because i didn’t think – and listened to people i shouldn’t have
(3:58:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: but i think we can handle it
(3:58:35 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we’re lighting some fires and shit now – working hard on making changes
(3:59:17 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: but i get your position, if you can get me an idea of what const we might get in delve, might make a sell easier
(3:59:20 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: otherwise talk to you soon
(3:59:33 PM) Montolio: I just posted logistics about it
(3:59:38 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: ok
Monti then hits up Ender Fal, THORN’s CEO, to break the ice:
(1:24:34 PM) Montolio: Hio
(1:24:36 PM) Montolio: Hi*
(1:24:46 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: hello
(1:25:56 PM) Montolio: Has Argus filled you in?
(1:26:03 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: just now yes
(1:26:21 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: not 100 on all the details
(1:26:22 PM) Montolio: Would you like to discuss anything?
(1:27:01 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: just wondering why we spent all that time soving the space in querious, only to then be asked to give up our home for the past 9+ months, after we just moved back there
(1:27:12 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: because of me being in the hospital for a month
(1:27:19 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: and letting a couple things get fucked up
(1:28:14 PM) Montolio: I placed a lot of trust into THORN
(1:28:57 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: and I admit, mistakes were made, but not because of any willful intent to fuck it up
(1:29:28 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: Esoteria drained me, and my guys
(1:29:42 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: I never should have taken that on
(1:31:51 PM) Montolio: Well mistakes were made – and they were made largely after I gave THORN a bunch of shit generally viewed as having some value
(1:32:20 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: Tbh I am only now just getting a feel for the new sov space in querious
(1:32:54 PM) Montolio: So what are you going to do here?
(1:32:54 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: but I know there is some high value stuff there, and if rdn wants that space I tbh have no issue giving it to them
(1:34:54 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: But if you really wanting us out of even b-7, the place we have called home since you gave it to us last summer. I don’t know what to tell you
(1:35:22 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: that is not something I can just make a call on with 5 minutes warning
(1:35:45 PM) Montolio: I talked to Argus and Lucian are day or two ago
(1:36:02 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: I did not hear about till about 3-4 min before you convo’d me
(1:36:13 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: I’m still getting over pneumonia
(1:36:26 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: so i’m nowhere near 100% on anything
(1:36:50 PM) Montolio: Ok v0v
(1:37:00 PM) Montolio: Based on these station names it sounds like your going to be shooting us
(1:37:20 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: that is one guy, and he admitted to doing it
(1:37:38 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: Argus is just upset that rdn just seems to be doing a land grab
(1:38:15 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: unless you want us out of the HBC, i still don’t have any intent to shoot anyone aside from who we do already
(1:39:14 PM) Montolio: I don’t intend for THORN to be out of the HBC
(1:39:39 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: then you don’t have to worry about us shooting anything, or hopefully being shot at
(1:40:31 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: Tbh what do you want us to do?
(1:40:48 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: in the end of the day the recent sov fuckups was one on me with esoteria
(1:41:11 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: and kinda on me as I had to use a sov xfer corp and only i had access, so I had to use a guy in acorp not aware of sov bills
(1:41:35 PM) Montolio: I’d like you guys to go live out of Catch, dangerzone for awhile, and show everyone you are awesome
(1:41:46 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: we have been in catch
(1:41:50 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: we just got back
(1:41:53 PM) Montolio: I mean live
(1:41:57 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: we did live there
(1:42:06 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: n-8 was home for about 2 months
(1:42:11 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: hed before that
(1:42:25 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: and how awesome do we need to be?
(1:42:30 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: what metric do you use for that
(1:42:39 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: running fleets, we do that, joining fleets we do that
(1:42:43 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: killing stuff, we do that
(1:42:52 PM) Montolio: When I have people telling me “holy shit THORN are awesome”
(1:43:27 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: aside from some people up untill a few days ago from my understanding many guys liked us, got in fleets with us
(1:44:34 PM) Montolio: Tell me when you’ve had time to consider the issue
(1:44:40 PM) Montolio: I’d like to settle this on Monday at the latest
(1:45:00 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: Well like I said if rdn wants all the old Li3 space I don’t think there would be any real issue there
(1:45:15 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: that would add a couple more r64 to thier stockpile
(1:45:25 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: and a lot of cobalt
(1:45:27 PM) Montolio: They want essentially all of Querious
(1:45:50 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: we have active super build in b-7 atm
(1:46:02 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: and TONS of stuff for more
(1:47:00 PM) Montolio: that can go later
(1:47:03 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: b-7 is just a very hard system to give up and would not go well for my guys as they just moved most of the stuff back to there aside from stuff in nol
(1:47:22 PM) Montolio: b-7 doesn’t have to be righ taway
(1:47:54 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: I’m still not sure, aside from being better at sov, what else your looking for from us
(1:48:29 PM) Montolio: One of my FCs essentially quit because of the THORN fuckups
(1:49:09 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: with sov stuff yes?
(1:49:24 PM) Montolio: yeah
(1:50:26 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: well most of that was tbh my fault
(1:50:49 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: don’t fuck the rest of my guys for my issues, please
(1:51:21 PM) Montolio: The wheels shouldn’t fall off if you disappear for a few days m8
(1:51:21 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: they just want to get in fleets and shoot stuff, and they do that well
(1:51:31 PM) Montolio: and they will still be able to do that
(1:51:32 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: I had the wheels
(1:52:47 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: as for monday if Rdn wants all the old li3 space I can do that next week, no real issue
(1:53:09 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: as for the rest you’ll have to forgive me
(1:53:23 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: but I’m not going to commit on anything
(1:53:29 PM) Montolio: until when?
(1:54:26 PM) Ender Fal [Thorn]: can’t even begin to say, I’d have to have some long talks with other people 1st
(1:55:00 PM) Montolio: The station can come at a later date, but I need an answer on monday
Monti’s final convo with Lucian James (THORN FC) over the THORN home space:
(3:28:40 PM) Lucian James: TEST alliance, tribe & entro are puting out 90 in the current stratop.
THORN is putting out 45.
(4:50:34 PM) Lucian James: before i badger you with more stats…
can you invite someone into badgerden for me pls?
(4:50:54 PM) Lucian James: [email protected]
(4:59:11 PM) Montolio: why
(4:59:21 PM) Montolio: and I need a commitment today
(5:00:10 PM) Lucian James: let me get my fleet back ebfore discussing anything else>
(5:06:42 PM) Montolio: Prefer to talk to Beffah or Ingen for badger den stuff
(5:06:50 PM) Lucian James: rgr ty
(5:07:09 PM) Lucian James: en route home, will be able to talk in about 15-20 mins
(5:07:18 PM) Lucian James: comms only tho can’t tyype
(5:51:25 PM) Lucian James: be good to talk once this init thing is done.
(5:55:03 PM) Montolio: k
(5:55:24 PM) Lucian James: i think it’s done but might wanna give it a few mins
(6:00:54 PM) Lucian James: ok whenever. mumble?
(6:02:39 PM) Montolio: text
(6:02:55 PM) Lucian James: wrists sore, can’t type
(6:03:12 PM) Montolio: Quit masturbating so much
(6:11:40 PM) Lucian James: lol word. well i have about 15-20 mins before some RL stuff…
(6:11:45 PM) Lucian James: you home from work yet?
(6:12:13 PM) Montolio: I am
(6:12:20 PM) Montolio: But I am too busy to do voice
(6:12:50 PM) Lucian James: any time in the next 45 mins free?
(6:14:02 PM) Montolio: I don’t know
(6:17:41 PM) Lucian James: i’ll check in every few mins, hit me up here when ready?
(6:17:53 PM) Montolio: I’d prefer to just talk via text
(6:18:00 PM) Lucian James: i’d prefer to not
(6:18:20 PM) Lucian James: i dont have the dexterity and it can lead to the wrong impressions
(6:18:41 PM) Montolio: Do you have someone else that can handle it?
(6:19:26 PM) Lucian James: you and i put THORN into querious, i think it’s best left to us.
(6:21:29 PM) Lucian James: wont take much of your time man, just enuf to get everything in the proper context without being left to wonder “what did that mean”
(6:23:19 PM) Montolio: I’m managing like ten things at once
(6:24:19 PM) Lucian James: i know, and this is important to me and i’m sure you, and i want it done right pls.
(6:24:43 PM) Lucian James: we’re already past the point of havinhg a real conversation about everything
(6:24:59 PM) Lucian James: i dont want to mess anything up
(6:36:27 PM) Montolio: So you literally won’t talk to me over jabber – all I need is an affirmative one way or another anyways
(6:36:47 PM) Lucian James: jesus really
(6:37:00 PM) Lucian James: you’ve had all these assholes in your ear for days man just give me 5 mins
(6:37:42 PM) Lucian James: like what am i’ going to say NO and fuck you and yarrr and hey kick us out of the hbc? if you’re forcing us our of the b-7 const to give it to rdn, that’s your call, we’ll move.
(6:38:05 PM) Lucian James: bit more than that to be discussed tho
(6:38:27 PM) Montolio: Then lets discuss it here, I can’t multitask while doing audio conversations
(6:38:45 PM) Montolio: I don’t want to cut off the five other jabbers conversations I have going because they are time sensitive
(6:38:54 PM) Lucian James: then please provide a 5-10 min span that you done thave to multitask
(6:39:09 PM) Lucian James: i’ll meet ya then
(6:44:23 PM) Lucian James: i can give ya one i wouldnt’ mind have a text log answer for…
(6:44:55 PM) Lucian James: 1. Just who does RDN. think they are pulling this shit… they didn’t want that space when they first arrived after us… we trot off to secure catch for a few week and they use that an the first excuse to get you to hand over more neo and dyspro to them of Li3′s….. We offered to give them ALL Li3 space and those moons and they REFUSED. Bitches didn’t want to pay the bills.
Now they force your hand to grab it all?
(6:45:41 PM) Montolio: They did want the space when they moved in
(6:45:43 PM) Montolio: I told them no
(6:45:47 PM) Lucian James: They put out 100 in euro, 0 in US.
We put out 45ish in euro, 45ish in US… and we’re up to 55-66% in cap ships
(6:47:50 PM) Lucian James: As of about 36 hours ago, THORN had the highest kills/member of any HBC top-20 kills-for-the-month… is 10th in total kills atm…
(6:49:20 PM) Lucian James: Yah, we had some fuckups the past couple weeks. I can’t imagine how 9 months or near-perfect awesome suace before that could wipe out any faith you had in us AND put us in the negative
(6:50:52 PM) Lucian James: If queirous is really about reassigning space.. i can swallow that. If it’s about balancing moons with RDN cuz we have more neo and dyspro, sure that’s fair.
(6:50:57 PM) Montolio: With Ender being ill people have been telling me that coordination and communication with THORN has been incredibly difficult
(6:51:18 PM) Lucian James: sticking thorn moons out in stain and not leavin us a dleve-area const to build supers and bear in is a bit much tho
(6:52:11 PM) Montolio: You guys are welcome to rat in Delve
(6:52:42 PM) Lucian James: sov-exchanging related difficulties, yes.
(6:53:00 PM) Lucian James: all of which we spammed caps and sov crap all over to make up for our mistakes
(6:53:10 PM) Montolio: Yeah but you still made them
(6:53:16 PM) Montolio: and my FCs are stressed as fuck about it
(6:53:25 PM) Lucian James: name the ones besides kurator
(6:53:30 PM) Lucian James: i’d be happy to do them favors.
(6:54:02 PM) Montolio: I don’t want to to get into an argument
(6:54:11 PM) Lucian James: i dont see how it’s that stressing to go take fleets to get badass kills and draw out cap fights… it’s refreshing imho.
(6:54:23 PM) Lucian James: i’m not lookin for one
(6:54:56 PM) Lucian James: If you’re yanking us out of quirous space and not giving us anythign else around delve to replace it tho… you need to make that clear.
(6:54:58 PM) Montolio: I’d like THORN to go focus on the space it owns in Catch at the moment – we have some neos in Stain to play with
(6:55:04 PM) Montolio: and some stuff in OR/Aridia potentially
(6:55:12 PM) Montolio: If you want those fine, if not thats fine too
(6:55:32 PM) Montolio: I don’t intend to give you anything immediately until I see what shakes out with the other smaller alliances
(6:55:41 PM) Lucian James: catch space is ihubbing along, team taking care of that
(6:55:43 PM) Montolio: ZNSB, DICE, Squee, ENTRO etc.
(6:55:59 PM) Montolio: They will be getting shifted around too
(6:56:05 PM) Lucian James: they’re not in space i’m interested in
(6:56:15 PM) Lucian James: jsut delve/querious.. maybe a refinery in fountain
(6:56:15 PM) Montolio: They may not always be in ‘that’ space
(6:56:24 PM) Lucian James: or a const in fountain
(6:56:43 PM) Montolio: Like we may move Banderlogs out of Fountain and somewhere else in the future which would free up Fountain options etc..
(6:56:45 PM) Lucian James: you yanking querious space is a HUGE hit to moon goo income
(6:56:50 PM) Montolio: It just depends on who is here in a few months and how they are doing
(6:57:05 PM) Lucian James: just fyi.
(6:57:09 PM) Montolio: It isn’t if we replace it with an equal number in Stain and you can defend them
(6:57:27 PM) Lucian James: well we need arefinery in safe space to build supers in
(6:57:34 PM) Lucian James: we paid like 25bn to upgrade the shit out of b-7
(6:57:49 PM) Lucian James: can you help me here or is it just about punishing us?
(6:58:19 PM) Montolio: B-7 can go after the rest of it
(6:58:23 PM) Lucian James: i know
(6:58:24 PM) Montolio: and I can discuss them paying it out
(6:58:26 PM) Lucian James: and that’s cool
(6:58:34 PM) Lucian James: but when’s the latest you’d want us out of b-7?
(6:59:31 PM) Lucian James: or do you think ou can tell rdn to fuck off on that one?
(6:59:45 PM) Montolio: I’ll need to work that out with Raiden – I think you should be able to build out any minerals you have there
(6:59:59 PM) Lucian James: word. we are doing jsut that boss
(7:00:36 PM) Lucian James: evemaps.dotlan.net/system/C3N-3S and const would be fine
(7:01:03 PM) Lucian James: your logistics guys ever get back to you about any less-tahn-optimimally used delve space?
(7:01:58 PM) Montolio: yes
(7:02:43 PM) Montolio: evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Delve/O-EIMK
(7:02:45 PM) Montolio: was mentioned
(7:02:57 PM) Lucian James: well sir
(7:03:00 PM) Montolio: evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Delve/O5K-Y6
(7:03:10 PM) Montolio: there is no concensus yet though
(7:03:20 PM) Lucian James: i’d take it.. it was many mopnths ago was told some corp burried themselves back there.. wasn’t sure if it was onthe table for that reason
(7:03:22 PM) Montolio: mostly trying to wedge it in with the jump bridges meshed all over the place
(7:04:20 PM) Lucian James: we could runa bridge out of there and ditch the lwx- / b-7
(7:06:36 PM) Montolio: Thats premature and I have no idea about jump bridges anyways
(7:06:47 PM) Lucian James: ofc
(7:07:53 PM) Lucian James: we’re going to have to base withthe hbc tho
(7:07:58 PM) Lucian James: or rdn’s whiny cunt shit will never end
(7:08:01 PM) Lucian James: we’ve grown nicely but having to give sov over to whiny rdn. cunts will take a toll.
(7:08:49 PM) Lucian James: I look forward to working with you to a swift and secure resolution to finding THORN a const in Delve.
(7:09:17 PM) Lucian James: You’ll see us alongside RDN.cunts and the rest of the HBC bashing STAIN & etc.
(7:09:30 PM) Montolio: Are you able to handle the transfer to Raiden between yourselves?
(7:09:37 PM) Lucian James: our cap ship shit paid off and we’ve got a lot to play with
(7:09:42 PM) Lucian James: yes
(7:10:20 PM) Montolio: Okay – I’ll inform them
(7:10:41 PM) Lucian James: as long as it doens’t involve kaisur
(7:10:57 PM) Lucian James: prefer to work with regular humans
(7:11:26 PM) Lucian James: always happy to relay combat data to any FC in the HBC ofc.
1. RDN tells Test what to do.
2. Test does what it is told.
3. RDN > TEST in HBC.
4. RDN has issues with Thorn, makes not so passive aggressive comments regarding the role of RDN in the HBC,
and RDN’s plans for Thorn.
5. RDN talks to Test, Test tell Thorn they will be taking ALL neo moons, and all querious space.
* Monti avoids a man-to-man conversation with Lucian, hides behind the screen
* Monti mentions Banderlogs in Fountain is in the works to be shuffled around, but they just dropped a station a few days ago in L-A5. Will Banderlogs get screwed over too? Are these plans already in the works? evemaps.dotlan.net/outpost/L-A5XP
* Monty tells THORN wants his people to love us (without giving us achievable goals to that end). Mission accomplished? Oh no, wait, because Monty doesn’t actually care, he’s more interested in sucking
* Kaisur claims RDN will be calling the shots on how thing will be run from this point forward
* Kaisur Claims he will explain to Montolio how things will happen from now on in the HBC
A final comment from yesterday discovered on pastebin, as Monti tried to back peddle:
(4:27:57 PM) [email protected]/home: I’m trying to get you the b-7 station permanently
If he is not in charge of space distribution… Who is ?
This shows that Montolio is completely and utterly incapable of treating allies as allies or organizing the HBC in a cohesive direction. The Monti-Treatment at its finest.
Bad things to come to the future of the HBC?