Last week I received an internal communique belonging to Trident Tactical Group, one of the biggest corporations in the Ethereal Dawn alliance. It outlaid how the head FC of Ethereal Dawn, along with his corporation, were to jump ship and join The Unthinkables.
We have long known that we should play the “waiting game” and not interfere with an entities decision’s and “let the news happen”. Now that they have moved out, here is said communique.
To: Trident Tactical Group
From: Oleski
Subject: Weekly ‘SYNC’ Meeting1. Weekly Debrief:
During the week of 11-17 February 2013 Trident Tactical Group was ordered on a week long deployment to the regions of Innsmother, Wicked Creek, and Detroid. The tactical and strategic objectives were kept simple for this deployment. Attack any targets of opportunity (primarily ratters) and create an immediate halt in logistics routes and ISK making. During this deployment we encountered limited success. There were no kills but several losses.
On the first night of the deployment Oleski tackled a chimera in RANE space that was ratting. All Black OPS were dropped onto the carrier. It was immediately noticed that it had an incredible tank. The Trident fleet had no energy neutralizers and it would have taken a significant amount of time to kill the carrier. No order was called to leave the field however the carrier managed to avoid jams from our ECM(s) and get ECM drones of it’s own onto our fleet and warp off.
In my honest opinion this deployment turned into more of a rest and refit deployment than anything else. We went on a 10+ billion ISK joy ride for the week.
In the future I hope to refine our tactics based off of our limited success and deploy a more effective black ops fleet. Until further notice Covert Operations will remain our corporate specialty however we will continue to not only refine our skills with covert operations but also expand into other corporate doctrines.
2. Evacuation Plans:
ALL excess ships (keep one bomber and a carrier if you have one) are to be put into the TOP SECRET HANGAR labeled with your name. These ships will be jumped to Eurgrana by the corporate logistics system and/or willing carrier pilots.
All modules, ore, minerals, or extra items are to be put on courier contracts TO THE CORPORATION (no collateral and 14/14 to accept and deliver) from 1H5 to Jita 4/4. All of these items will be delivered to you in Jita by the end of the week.
Pending the corporate vote we will be completely evacuated from Etherium Reach by NLT Wednesday 20 FEB 13 at 0100.
3. Alliance Opportunities
a. The Unthinkables [INK]
b. Why So Serious [WhySo]
c. Merger into one of several corporations in Northern Coalition [NC.]
d. Cult of War [COW]4. Corporate Vote
a. Leave Ethereal Dawn
b. Which Alliance or opportunity we want to embark apon5. New Corporate Doctrines:
1. Oracle Fleet
a. Fitting[Oracle, 308 Standard]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer IIExperimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range ScriptTachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I2. Slow Cats
a. Link to forum http://www.etherealdawn.org/index.php?topic=1733.03. Tracking Dread Fittings will be posted later
These new fittings we will begin to train and buy IOT successfully be able to conduct engagements on larger scales in the future. I have no intention of dropping capitals on the field any time soon however the day is coming where that will be a possibility for Trident Tactical.
In the end, they left Ethereal Dawn for The Unthinkables.
What’s newsworthy is the fallout within Ethereal Dawn. Keep in mind this comes after a gruesome invasion from the N3 Coalition which took all of their space within the drone regions. Apart from that, I’ve got the following tip:
EDF director after a mayor drama outbreak due to members being tired and pissed at the current ceo for being a crazy person and telling everyone to either kill or get kicked, got fed up and took 130 billion in assests and money an left, leaving edf without anything and after this being a second incident of drama in a period of 2 weeks it was decided fa would take non of that and they are looking to get booted
I haven’t been able to confirm this yet but Clerence Thomas’ (one of the few guys trying to keep ED from falling apart) correspondence seems to be quite active these days.
ED and the future
From: Clerence Thomas
Sent: 2013.02.23 04:53
To: Ethereal Dawn,Greetings to all members still with us, and spies that are still watching.
Okay, with the resignation of the High Command I have again taken on stewardship of Ethereal Dawn.
My primary order of business, as always, is to ensure ED has a future. A short term future has been secured.
First order of business was locate us a new home. eRa5oR found us accomodation from an alliance down south with old ties to ED. This deal is in process, and most execs have been informed, but will be public knowledge and open to for ED members to start moving to by the end of the weekend.
Second order of business has been to negotiate an arrangement with the coalition arrayed against us. We have 72 hours of blue standings ending at downtime 2/26/2013 and docking rights in stations as they are transferred. This only buys us relief from active hostilities with the group invading us to get our stuff out. This is zero however, so keep flying smart.
Third order of business is to form a new command structure. eRa5oR, IceBlade and myself will be around on comms trying to sort out exactly what this structure will look like and who will take what role(s).
Executive Instructions at this point are to secure any and all stuff that you care about from Etherium Reach to empire, then take a breather and have some fun.
–CT
From:Clerence Thomas
Sent:2013-02-23 16:54:00
To:Ethereal DawnFirst of all, HC did step down – they were asked directly in command channels and affirmed it twice before I started looking into direct arrangements. KC and ZCs efforts over the past year and this tour are appreciated and I respect their views on the matters at hand. I also respectfully disagree.
Second of all it is never an easy choice to take the alliance I have been guardian of since our first tour in Etherium Reach out of the home I helped build – but in the end staying much longer would have served no purpose. Furthmore languishing in losec and shedding all our members makes regrowth nearly impossible – I learned this while ED was in mothballs between the last time we held ER and this one. I do not intend to see ED make that mistake again.
The exit that I have arranged is as honorable as could be sorted considering our allies, that we’ve spent months fighting for, declined to assist us in our hour of need – hanging us out to dry. Make no mistake, the allies arrayed against us would have taken this space no matter what. I have simply arranged the cleanest exit possible from a war zone.
Those that wish to go other directions, godspeed. We’ll see you out among the stars.
Those that are with us, great. Lets move on to the next chapter. Rebuild. And define the terms of our return on our own, not as vassels of a greater power that will just stab us in the back as has happened twice now – but as an alliance with the means and resolve to take and hold the space on our own.
–CT
We’ll see how this restructuring goes but from the look of it, it’s an uphill battle for Clerence and Co.
[ Ethereal Dawn - DOTLAN Stats]
Another corp makes the honourable choice to stop trying and just switch to the winning team
also weren't they the smallest actual non alt corp in ED……
did you not read at all? they are not "switching to the winning team" they sold the space and were given +2.5 for 72 hours to evac…. all this because their "allies" were just like aaa and just basically let them die without any real help what so ever
Well, the article says that "In the end they left Ethereal Dawn for the Unthinkables."
Wasn't there something about the rest of ED joining up with the HBC too?
Anyway it's a pretty normal thing for corps to bail on a losing coalition and later re-appear in a different sov holding alliance. It's not like there's much of an entry barrier for most corps either.
that part of the truth is covered by big sako and myself.
In other words the bloody author has yet to get his information correct.
It's riverini, he cannot into correct information.
he said another "corp," meaning the ones who left ED. the stuff you mentioned is what's happening with the remaining alliance members. lern to read gooder.
im pretty sure unthinkables is nuet to n3 atm…. so you still dont know what the fuck your talkin about
yes unthinkables are neut to n3
Thank god being as ink is SHIT.
N3 is defending ink sov so you dot know what your talking about
N3 will kill failzor when they try bullying INK because failzor are too shit to fight a fight without 2:1 odds at least. INK baits your scrubs out of station so N3 can kull you off the map!
2 to 1 odds?????? Hell FAZOR won't engage an INK fleet unless they have 5 to 1 odds.
2 to 1 odds, they run away and dock up. that is IF they undock in the first place.
INK are neutral to N3. They conducted some joint operations but that has only been where their mutual interests are aligned. At all other times there seems to be freedom to engage. A quick look on the INK kb will show a few N3 kills in the last few days alone, for example.
AAA wasn't really an 'ally', just a bunch of people that never actually came to help who they promised they would.
The allies that it mentions in this article refers to PNG, BCA, SCDOT, etc.
SCDOT has practically disbanded due to terrible alliance management thanks to the corporation 'Black Aces', who left with most of the alliance wallet and went back to AAA.
PNG disbanded after months of conflict without much relief. Due to low morale, poor fleet participation from the alliance and the rest of the coaltition, and relentless pressure from N3 and PL, it was decided that most of the alliance would go off to 'neutral' entities to avoid conflict with former allies.
BCA continues to struggle with N3/PL/Red in support of Solar. However, considering the constant pressure of these hostile entities, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned sides soon.
None of these 'allies' left ED to die. In truth it was ED who let them down. At the start of the conflict ED numbered 1200+, but barely brought 20 to coalition fleets. Their participation continued to lower until in the end, there was only 1 person who joined fleets. I'm not saying it was ED's falut for the demise of SCDOT and PNG, but they definitely played a part.
seems Solar removing IRC out of the Drone Coalition was the best thing that could happen to them.
The truth, more like you dont know what your on about.
SCDOT and PNG are now BCA.
Shit what do you mean. I mean the damn alliances merged into BCA you idiot.
My advise before you start sprouting rubbish, do some reading and learn a thing or two
Also in regards to the fleet numbers, "barely 20" again get your facts straight I was in most if not all of the cta's up until a month or so ago we had around 50-60 average members in fleet, on other occasions even more. We fielded a 90 man stealth bomber gang.
Yes during the past month or so, numbers started to drop from 50-60 to 40 then 20 then 10.
I will agree on my last cta there was 9 of us but not me on my lonesome.
How do i know these things, I must be telepathic, nah its because I brought 15+ members of my corp with me to most if not all of the cta's
Overall, my advise is take your head out your arse and talk about something you know. Because you know shit about what was taking place in the drone coalition.
Like the fact that Solar wanted the entire supporting drone coalition to merge into BCA which alot of ED corps considered and some even are planning on taking. PNG and SCDOT folded into BCA as well.
lol, it might be true that 3 corporations 'joined' BCA from SCDOT, but no PNG corporation joined that piss-poor alliance (BCA). How about you take your arse out of 'your' head and look at dotlan for once.
ED was and is still is a pathetic carebear alliance. Maybe at the start of the conflict ED numbers were that high, but those numbers fell quite quickly, then rose a tiny bit when Elo Knight started FCing, but as soon as he stopped, ED's participation went right down to almost nill… Even if you had 10, where the hell were the others? Yea, thats right ratting and minning (I should know as I watched them with my alt).
And 90 man bombers fleets… Why weren't they in doctrine ships? Useless alliance filled with useless carebears.
40 = Nill? We were tied with BCA, an alliance twice our size, in CTA participation numbers.
We ran the numbers of our alliance in every Coalition CTA we were in. Last timer in LEM, Coalition brought a 50-man Tier-3 fleet.. That was from BREW, SCDOT, PNG, BCA, etc.. 50. ED, in a separate Cane fleet, brought 46. In case you have trouble with the math, that's only 4 people less than the entire Coalition fleet had.. And we were a single alliance running our own fleet.
That wasn't the only time either.
It wasn't until this last month that activity fell. And can you blame them? When your FC gets your fleet welped again, and again, and again, and again, and.. Again. Are you going to keep going when that FC calls a CTA? Not a chance.
Why were we in bombers instead of Tier-3s? Because a DRF Tier-3 fleet can't fight an N3 Rokh Fleet or a PL Gila fleet. We as an alliance FC/HC team decided to have our guys in stealth bombers in separate fleets half the time, and before my corp left, I was organizing the formation of a coalition bomber wing to be used to support every Tier-3 fleet.
If you want to throw away your BCs under an FC that gets you welped, you go right ahead. ED wasn't going to keep throwing money and ships at the enemy to get welped without a single Rokh kill.
Bombers were the doctrine ship, for our own alliance, as the coalition doctrines were useless and incapable of succeeding.
Now that, is a cool f-ing story!
PNG part of BCA……………can u "puff puff pass"whatever you are smoking?
Better Check Dotlan, Corps from PNG got away from that mess….
STFU, u not knowing anything dumb asshole, BCA and SOLAR gave up on us, we were joinin' any CTAs for SOLAR they needed, and when they got help from the FA and RZR they just told us ''we don't need u anymore'', but they never tryed to help US against PL/N3/RED. We were trying to defend all by ourselfs, with no help at all from any side nor SOLAR nor BCA. That's what happened, ME personaly, I was almost in all CTAs regarding SOLAR, even if I knew that we would loose the fight, but still, I was joining and traveling for almost a whole 1 hour from my home system to the SOLAR system to defend it. EDs numbers in fleets were from 50-100, so u have no rights to negate that truth, when I was there. So, I hope u all crumble down and die alone like we had. Let the whole EVE universe take rage on u now when they have finished with us!
Dude…dont forget to breath and keep an eye on your heart. It's just pixels.
Half the battle in eve is standing your ground when everyone does abandon you not fall into your enemies ranks and fade to the background
lol, ED never ever had that many in coalition fleets. The most I ever saw in one fleet was 40-50, maybe 70 on a good day.
ED was just another useless carebear alliance, even your CEO admits that.
Good riddance! I hope the HBC can deal with this pointless alliance.
There only true ally was BCA, when 1AC came out on multiple reinforcement timers, Ops to remove SBU's BCA would show up in some capacity.
When ED planned to retake B3ZU-H back from intrepid crossing in fear that IRC would had it over to PL or N3 coalition. BCA formed up.
Sadly that system was taken over my PL.
But the current leadership of ED will have you believe that BCA sold out ED, sorry mate it's the other way around.
I think they were referring to Solar selling them out by not coming to their aid but I could be mistaken because I don't know much about Ethereal Dawn.
ED couldn't do a thing by themselves…
In the early days, PNG had to come and help them save 1AC from SONE.
PNG had the WORST FC I have ever seen in game EVER!!! IRC helped ED more than anyone, at least their fleets had better FC's and when it really hit the fan BL were around to keep the heat off.
Nothing like a bunch of finger pointing and blaming to make someone feel better, Responsibility is where it falls, face it, whoever didnt know how this would end up isnt facing reality. Drone coalition was never organized or team oriented enough to stand up to that onslaught. Not many in Eve could. I can tell you, Fractured arguing Leadership will never Succeed. Take a lesson there, and ya I do know a bit about what went on, I was there.
This has all Happened Before and It will happen again, Learn from your mistakes.
The DRC was filled with constant in fighting none of the allaince leaders got along and all tip toed on egg shells in hope the all mighty mactep might let them have some moon goo
Being there for all of the fights to retake ED space PNG were good allies but the statement that they came to save ED is far from the truth. PNG assisted in the time zones they could get numbers and those numbers were helpful.
Can you tell me how is the unthinkables the winning team, hey retard guess what.
UNTHINKABLES IS NEUT to N3 COALITION.
They are not the winning team or close to.
Allow me to introduce you to the INK KB – http://kb.the-ink.com/ , not bad for a bunch of "renters and retards" am I right? Of course we are neut to N3 we also all fight together against Solar and it's allies. Maybe you should try being in fleet more.
Stupid comment is stupid
We, unlike most corporations in EVE, remove inactive characters. We have very high activity and CTA participation ratios, and were often the top or tied with IMSIL for top numbers from ED on every alliance and coalition CTA. Half of the Alliance's FCs were also 308 members, and I had started running coalition fleets as well – Lets face it, Shadowandlight can't. I like the guy, he's good for support, but as a primary FC he didn't have the ability to go up against the enemies we had.
As for those of you talking about "leaving and joining the winning team", 308 was not fighting Unthinkables. We were fighting N3 and PL.
As for those who say "ED was useless", you couldn't be more wrong. There were many reasons ED has packed up and left, and it was not solely internal drama – Though that did exist. Solar wanted all of their pets to combine into BCA. I can't say for certain we were told we must, but I know it was being pushed, and we would not ever accept that. Furthermore, almost the entire alliance had lost patience with the Coalition. We never received support from Solar, not even with PL, against whom we needed it the most. The few times we were promised support in The Reach, it never actually showed up. Then add in the problems with the Coalition's Pet Leadership being a chaotic mess, and having no Coalition FCs good enough to run a 150-man fleet.
One good way to compare what our coalition was capable of, and what we have been getting lately? When Elo was running the Coalition's fleets, we had success and we had fleet numbers of 200-250. Shortly after he left and other FCs took over, numbers dropped to 150, and then 100. That was not due to people leaving coalition, but due to a complete lack of faith in the FC's ability to not get the fleet welped. Within ED itself, this was clearly demonstrated on the comparison between numbers that showed up for Coalition CTAs, and numbers showing up for Alliance CTAs. Coalition – 25 from ED, Alliance – 40. Simply due to members having more faith in our FCs than the Coalition's.
Our FC team and leadership were equally fed up with the Coalition. Our suggestions were never listened to. Lets face it, Tornados and Nagas don't work against N3 Rokhs and PL Gilas. So why was that our only coalition doctrine? The Coalition leadership and FCs learned nothing from Elo. Hell, all it takes is being in his fleet, listening, and keeping your mouth shut to learn how to do a fleet well. Somehow that didn't rub off on them.
Look around, ED isn't the only alliance whose faith in the coalition was shaken. Against All Anomolies Failscaded. PNG leadership ejected. Most of ED has left and the sov was handed over to someone who wasn't BCA.
ED could handle the fight. We couldn't stand a collapsing Coalition leadership. It's been clear for two months that things were bad and certainly weren't about to improve. Given that, what reason was there for the alliance to stay?
I enjoyed my time in ED, I learned a lot, had a lot of fun. I hope ED does well in its new home and rebuilds back to its original numbers. There were some problems, but the kind of problems an alliance can fix in time. I think this was the best decision ED could make given the situation, and hope the best for them.
SCDOT fail cascaded because they were useless shit heads run by an illiterate moron with more agendas than an american politician
This is true, but the chaos on a coalition-leadership level hastened and exacerbated the problem.
SCDOT was useless. When I heard that Black Aces was coming down and forming a new alliance as blues, I was like "now we have some serious pvpers". However, my attitude to them changed quickly. They never got rid of the -AAA- skin. They kept that elitist attitude and rarely did anything outside of their own alliance.
SCDOT was okay, but Black Aces was terrible and was the reason why the alliance died so quickly.
And lets not forget about the PL spy in Black Aces, who was a Director and reguarly flew fleets against PL, which strangely got whelped all the time.
PNG leadership bailed because we couldn't handle the shit that was happening in the coalition anymore, it was pathetic. However, we didn't just leave our alliance behind, we told everyone about the decision and asked them to join 'neutral' parties and not join hostile ones, to avoid conflict with former allies, like when CA.GE. left and joined Nulli Tertius.
"c. Merger into one of several corporations in Northern Coalition [NC.]"
Hahaha, gtfo u usless pets
The snake speaks, it would be wise to listen……….
The "rest of ED" sold the space to Nulli for a rumoured 40 billion ISK, see these two pastebins for more: http://pastebin.com/mMnQ8cQH http://pastebin.com/peAkenj3
The "rest of ED" is now part of the HBC and PL is now shooting structures for ED in emergency fleets (or so called strategic ops): http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=165…
Also, Clarence Thomas (CT) hasn't done a thing during the war, yet still claims leadership for ED and promised good times and shooting goons in Esoteria.
In addition I wanted to mention that most of the stuff that was posted about Trident Tactical Group is publicly available at their website, http://tridenttacticalgroup.com/ and was never really hidden or private comuniques.
And while the "rest of ED" is claiming that their coalition let them alone, it's the other way round.
In the last month I hardly got any ED members into fleets, at BEST there was 5-10 people for Emergency CTAs, and 10-25 people for pre-announced fleets. Out of those 25 active people, between 5-10 were members of Immortalis Silens, who deserve a lot of credit for trying to keep ED running nowadays.
Oh and to add to BigSako's point, BCA and ROGUE have absorbed any corps willing to stay and fight in their alliances. We have started putting close to 200 + on the field, which it took 3 + months to do after the cascade of SCDOT.
PL was hired specifically to break the spirit and fighting willpower of the Drone Coalition and after LXQ they succeedws for a bit, until we recognized our pilots into alliances that will not sell space to hostiles, have FC's that will emo rage out on fleets or plain give up cause "war is hard".
dam I hate to see your ingame mails but at least we are fighting back
No, PL was hired because there is no PvP bot RA can use.
This info is correct, I was there when this was taking place.
In addition to selling space to nulli secunda which was believed to be a couple of systems, a couple days later nulli secunda's transfer corp was moved into ED this being Nomads Academy on the 24th of this month.
Even though shadow spoke on ED comms about a prior agreement with BCA and Solar for the space to be handed over to the drone coalition so as to help towards the defense of the area or at least a speed bump to the impending N3 invasion.
Clerence Thomas denied any wrong doing but skype logs came about which called him out on the subject, to be honest I would rather trust someone who has saved my arse more times than I can count and has become a good friend to someone who has never been online and who's only interest in ED is to log on to get his pay packet.
Immediately as of today all of ED remaining station systems were transferred over to nulli secunda.
I will not begrudge nulli, but this act even when the space was agreed upon to be transferred to the Drone coalition, ED Ceo Clerence Thomas did the dishonorable thing of backstabbing our ally's without any form of notice or warning.
This has put a nail into ED's coffin, at first their option was to regroup and rebuild, giving their members time to recuperate after being bloodied so heavily, but now they are foresaken and tarnished.
On a side note over the past couple of days ED's promised systems have been TCU'd by them and now friendly alliances, but with no success especially with darkness of despair and -a- destroying the tcu's each time.
The system has reverted back to thorn alliance because ED just can't do it right.
With no space, no home and pilots leaving every day this is the death knell of Ethereal Dawn.
Don't forget Sako their are others who broke their backs trying to save ED, who have now left.
''And while the "rest of ED" is claiming that their coalition let them alone, it's the other way round.
In the last month I hardly got any ED members into fleets, at BEST there was 5-10 people for Emergency CTAs, and 10-25 people for pre-announced fleets. Out of those 25 active people, between 5-10 were members of Immortalis Silens, who deserve a lot of credit for trying to keep ED running nowadays.''
I can't belive that U are saying this BigSako, I was admiring u very much when I was flying with u in any CTAs (regarding SOLAR and HD) and HD fleets in Etherium Reach. U know too well that we never had any help from BCA and SOLAR to defende our space. U can't say I'm wrong when I was almost in any fleet, (PEKA member). I am really dissapointed in u this time mate. It seems there is some back story on u that noone new when ur backstabing ur own alliance that u were in saying something like that.
EDF director after a mayor drama outbreak [...] it was decided FA would take non of that and they are looking to get booted
This got posted in the wrong newspost and has nothing to do with ED.^^
Is that a TACHCAT in the corporate ship fittings?! Welcome to TRIBE!
CFC would be well advised to reinforce all those PL moons pronto, there is a shitstorm of payback heading their direction and it's going to be decided by how much isk they can give to PL for not joining in
I have seen this in the tea leaves and it's going to be one hell of summer for those who might give a **** , the rest of us will be in the med with a bottle of baby oil.
Everything else is just filler.
Will PL accept isk rather then getting lots of supper kills? I doubt it.
I'm ratting my heart out for few months to stock pile for the upcoming war. Rejoin NCdot when it kicks off trillions better I hope
As a ex dotbro and current broneiros pilot for the N3 I second this, its just happening all rather faster than I expected and not sure if were really ready for that sort of fight yet lol
Just a short "for the record" response: PNG corps did not merge into BCA or any other existing Drone alliance. When PNG leadership decided to leave the Drone Regions, the vast majority of corps left the area completely, and certainly not to the enemy or any party currently aligned with the enemy. As part of our decision to leave the area, and essentially disband the alliance, we also decided that we would do everything possible to deny the enemy an easy sov grab in the midst of our former allies. In fact, in order to maintain not only the sov but also the sov levels to allow jump bridges to remain operational, we arranged to turn over the executorship of the alliance, as well as our subsidiary renter alliance, to a BCA holding corp. Isk changed hands to a nominal degree to cover infrastructure and transfer costs, but our primary focus was on limiting the disruption to our former allies. Despite the challenges experienced by all Drone Region alliances, which were more internal than external in nature, we believed that our allies didn't deserve to have sov drop around them simply because we decided to leave. Others make different choices.
And no hiding behind some fucked up pansy-ass forum name.
Dirk MacGirk
Former PNG Director and Coalition High Command
As an ex-ED member and Director (during the two 'tours' as CT puts it in Etherium Reach) there were two constants 1. Too many carebears and, 2. Black Lotus Heavy Industries & Black Lotus Property Management (Holding Corp).
In 2007/08 The Alliance was well led and well run by Ralian Gelain and during the assault of every opportunist under the sun, ED developed a core 2-3 decent PvP corps (not by N3 or PL standards but pretty good), and held out really well. The Carebear side (read Clerence and co) did sweet FA except to be inept both militarily and diplomatically.
Roll forward a few years to 2012, ED reforms, takes its space back and in the summer of 2012 starts to develop – two main issues unfold 1. The Holding Corp is still held by CT and BLHI staff (who are all inactive and contribute absolutely nothing) and 2. there is a complete resistance to all harsh measures forcing ED to improve PvP, improve Corps representation and fleet performance.
Clerence and his corp (except 2 members) were nowhere to be seen, ever and the carebear corps contributed nothing collectively to the Alliance.
The HC were advised what to do and warned on a number of occasions that a. without changing emphasis, structure and attitude that you will fall over at the first hurdle and b. an inactive Alliance Exec and his entire corp and alt corps are a liability, especially as they as a carebear core have nothing in common with where the active PvP elements of the Alliance want to move it. Eventually the HC split with the PvP elements leaving, what remained was a good sturdy and friendly Industrial Core.
Roll on another 6 months and the first hurdle came and so did Clerence… (A new home and a new attitude towards your Alliance is not engendered by giving up..fight until you have nothing left to throw at the enemy)…Its sad to say we told you so…again.
Best wishes to ED (ZC & KC) not CT you bellend.
Az
Yup and most of all those carebears are now playing all around in 0.0 in almost ANY of the alliances, some in the specialized pvp alliances. So why are they there, if they were all carebears according to you?
Maybe ED accepted corps with new players and yeah, they are not that experienced, but most of the people I saw starting 0.0 in ED, are now members in all the major pvp alliances.
Sure ED are carebears, its an honorable title for people, that make the best of what they have available.
Yes I get tired of seeing (over the last 6 a 7 years corps leave), due to: A -nonstop cta's, B-drone region boredom, C-long travel distances (cobalt edge time), D: they want to be in a (bigger) winning team.
A lot of the socalled pvp-ers in 0.0, that think they are so good, are often taking zero's risk, they only join big alliances, they only join alliances, that have FC's, HC's, logistics all in place nonstop. Whats the challenge with that?
Such players I do call carebears…..taking no risk or challenge at all.
And nope, I am not a pvp-er myself, getting too old for that.
Not sure where you got the idea of 10+ people being in charge of ED's military. It was Oleski and Borazlak, and then Oleski, BigSako, and myself running the military. That's 4 people. The problem wasn't our military leadership, but the refusal of Alliance HC in letting us get tough with corporations who were not contributing to that military. That was the single biggest problem in ED. I don't agree with characterizing the entire alliance as carebears, but a good majority certainly were, and weren't pulling their weight. -DC- was one of those TazDev. Really the only corps participating regularly in PvP when it mattered (CTAs) were SLP, IMSIL, PEKA, 308, and sometimes LFC. Everyone else was taking advantage of the space to make ISK.
I don't think he meant "10+ people" as in all simultaneously, but rather coming and going.
That's still incorrect considering there were only 4 people in charge of the military over the course of 6 months. The main military leader stayed the same (Oleski) and the Senior FCs changed only once (From Borazlak to Bigsako and myself)
Hahaha
Merge into an NC. corp?
Gonna call bs on that one.
Lol nobody from ED good enough to get into NCdot, can still dream though.
I was in ED for a little bit last year, my corp at the time decided to join them, for me it was one of the largest mistakes I have been a part of in playing this game we know as Eve. Far too many carebears, it would make you sick listening into alliance leadership meetings on coms, alot of wasted time and I mean ALOT of carebears wasting the meeting talking about pointless issues and never getting to the important ones.
Many carebears. the few real PvPers in alliance were grossly unsupported in fleets and the overall direction of the alliance was a bit of a laughing stock, fleets would get whelped… I remember one fleet of sniper Nados about 40+ strong who were ordered by a blue FC from PNG to engage 2 (thats right 2) 100mn Tengus, well I think 7 ships were lost (FC never called for tackle to fly with fleet) my current PvP director called him out in coms and an idiot as it was happening… we left the field and soon after left ED.
Your "PvP director" litterally burst into tears mid coalition op on comms because he lost his rapier to said tengus, on later inspection the ship had litterally zero tank on it. But the main point that had us all completely baffled as to why he was so mad/butt hurt at his loss was he'd just volenteered it to be the tackle/cyno, did he not think such a task would probably be somewhat risky?
I don't think ED was ever great,but only a very poor leader looks at a collection of 500+ and says "I can't do anything with that". Too, there's a point where everyone has to do what's best for them – whether a leader, an alliance or the 'grunt' membership.
Find them a purpose, a home and an FC… with these you can get just about anyone up and fighting for you. CFC and HBC have BOTH been doing this because they realize people are THE most valuable resource in EVE.
To the ED guys wondering whiskey tango foxtrot – you need to reach out – there's still GFs to be had. 0.0 is fluid – times change, leaders become (or show themselves as) worthless putzes… You can be space-rich or space-welfare… doesn't matter. The game goes on – if you'll undock and fight there's plenty who'll have you and rightfully so.
As Bigsako himself will admit, He has not spent much time in ED, A couple of months, so one can understand him for not knowing CT's unique position.
CT's position is Guardian of the alliance, not just the tag but also for the legitimate Director team running the alliance. He appoints the leaders and lets them get on with it, In the background he will offer his advice and counsel. So when the director team step down (and fail to communicate to him any deals that have been arranged I may add) it is his role to take on the mantle salvage what can be salvaged and do his best to save the members and the alliance. In the future once a new HC is appointed by himself and set in place he will do what he always does, fade into the background.
This brings to the alliance something most do not have. Stability. When the directors and HC stood down, Logs of this question being asked in front of witnesses in the ED directorate channel, he has done nothing more than asset his roles and responceability. Most alliances at a massive HC resignation would die there and then.
Also, after surrendering their roles, why would people that just stepped down be so upset that after deciding to return the alliance to rest for years should they be angered that the alliance instead chose to try and survive? Clearly enough members want to carry on is not a bad thing. Unless of course the deal that was not communicated to the Executor had personal agendas involved. At the end of the day they did not have the authority to close the alliance (Or return it to empire after paying all the corps out and stepping down as leadership) I am sure that had that miscommunication not happened that maybe handover would of gone better.
Anyhow, in some form or another, ED has taken actions it needed to have the ability to survive. Dissolving the alliance just to please a few other people is no victory. Withdrawing with the ability to survive is no defeat. Other than this debarcle, Most of the alliance would agree with me, KC, ZC and BigSako did their best under difficult situations. I do find however very funny that the alliance is being accused of stealing things form itself for itself, effectively that's what most of these allegations boil down to and anyone with PROPER knowledge of ED and its history can see through it all.
Ok to set some of the idiots straight……
YES INK is neut to N3/Nulli…… BUT we do join them for joint ops against Solar and Pets.
We are neut to N3, Nulli, TEST and PL for more fights. As we don't want to be blue to everyone around. We roam into their space, they roam into our space…… we team up to kick Solar and pets in the nuts.
INK, N3, Nulli, PL are PVP alliances. While Solar and Pets seem to be mostly carebear with the odd PVP corp thrown in. Elo tried to sort their shit out……
SCDOT….. down
PNG ………. down
ED………….. down
Had fun in battles against those 3, they had guts. Unfortunately they doomed themselves with not being able to fly anything more then drakes or hurricanes.
Solar is still propping up Imp-L (their favourite botting pets) which should have died. In letting Imp-L survive cost the destruction of 3 better alliances.TAKE a serious look at all the big battles. and look at who had what….. Imp-L an alliance of 1500, who lost 2/3 of their members could never field more then 10 people at any time.
Solar will soon find themselves all alone. And soon out of space.
Only if mactep learned some real diplomacy….. stalin's way of doing things doesn't work……. LOL
Mactep you sir are an IDIOT…. loosing 3 better alliances, all because your favourite pets can't do a damn thing except to agree with everything you say,,,, and they still do FUCK all. Time for mactep's little empire to fall.
First, how is SOLAR "propping up" Imp-L at the expense of SCDOT, PNG or ED? There seems to be absolutely no connection between IMP-L surviving, and the other alliances failing…
As for SOLAR being carebears, nigga pweese….SOLAR are one of the most skilled large-scale pvp alliances in the game. I think most reasonable people would put them up there in the ranks of PL, NC., BL, DoD etc. Probably Top 5 large-scale pvp alliances, definitely Top 10. Politics aside, a lot of the more reasonable NC., Nulli or PL pilots will openly admit an appreciation for SOLAR pilot skills and "gudfites." As for their coalition mates, well, just take a look at most of BCAs members corp descriptions, as an alliance new to nullsec and with a lot of newer players, naturally they are going to have more industrialists, PVE-ers, miners etc. vs. skilled PVP-ers.
SOLAR did employ "real diplomacy," they filled their space up, installed new allies and tried to build a coalition from scratch, unless your version of "real diplomacy" is blueing the rest of the HBC and CFC to make it impossible to ever dislodge SOLAR from its space and ensure an eternity of "blueballing" – see…most reasonable people, who like to have fun playing this game (read: taking risks) like MACTEP, would find this extremely undesirable. A completely blue nullsec might be a diplomats (yours?…nevermind, TMI!) wet dream, but for players that want to have fun blowing shit up and putting things on the line because that's what makes EVE so awesome and immersive, that's lame.
Anyways, quick and dirty is that SOLAR is losing this conflict (pretty slowly so far, but it could be speeding up?) because it turns out, a 11,000-man coalition of 25% pvp and null-sec veterans and 75% nullsec newbies/carebears can't stand up to a 12,000-man (or 13,000, I forgot what was the last count) coalition where among the 50% pvpers, are included arguably the two best large-scale pvp alliances in the game (NC. & PL, plus with a stupidly ridonculous number of supercaps). If you think about it, of the forces arrayed against SOLARCO right now, you've got about HALF of the mega-coalition that wiped out the old Northern Coalition. You've got your NC., PL and Red Alliance; AFAIR, what we're missing are White Noise (a lot of whom joined RA AFAIR, think Lee Chanka is in RA, or was that NC.?), Raiden, Legion of Death and SOLAR themselves (think those were the major players AFAIR).
Think about that for a sec. SOLAR's 3400 d00ders and their associated 8,000 nullsec newbies are fighting against the awesome-force of half of the mega-coalition that brought down the most powerful coalition ever in the game + new members (Nulli, CoW, Kadeshi, Pangu, Nexus, Huns etc.). Plus, NC. and PL are probably even stronger now than they were then, given their ownership of Tech moons, and extra time to accumulate more supers, money etc. So, I don't understand how anyone can be surprised that SOLARCO is taking more than they are giving in this conflict, or why they would avoid "hopeless" engagements (aka "blueballing").
I can guarantee one thing though, In the end, even if one day SOLAR DOES lose all their space, SOLAR will still be there like the radioactive Russian l33t pvp cockroaches they are, as long as MACTEP is also around….
All Vaginas and Glory to MACTEP, Praise MACTEP!!!
Sidenote: there are rumours of a new group joining SOLARs side, remains to be seen; personally hope it to be Darkness of Despair, Russian reunion!!
Forgot the TL;DR: IMP-L surviving has little/no connection with the others failing. SOLAR are awesome pvpers. Universal peace and brotherly love-type diplomacy is gay as shit, MACTEP "real" diplomacy gets shit blown up (including your own
!), keeps nullsec interesting. SOLARCO are up against half the mega-coalition (hence…making them…um…a standard coalition 
) that bbqwtf roflstomped the old Northern Coalition, so….yea…SOLARCO is slowly losing ground. But no fear, help is on the way, and MACTEP gets lots of vaginas!!!
You are missing the point. The only diplomacy he needed would have been to join us in fighting the CFC instead of joining the CFC in fighting us and now he is paying for it. Even if he didn't help us even though Gypsy Band was helping us he could have helped -A- against Test/PL/Raiden/others but he didn't do that either. He chose to do what he thought was best for himself and now finds himself losing the 3 regions we wanted to take. We still aren't going to attempt to completely wipe them out as far as I know we are stopping at Cache because it is a natural border to the rest of the drone regions.
Lee Chanka is in PL
Wow, do people still believe Solar was 'helping' the CFC…
God dam fools, it was propaganda from NC and a lie that the Gypsy Band CEO told his alliance, so they could justify an invasion (although this is not necessary anymore).
I was there and they worked together and told their pilots not to shoot each other so no it wasn't propaganda.
Bullshit. I was there and never saw CFC and Solar fleets on the same grid.
To be honest, I wasn't active in EVE for the whole Geminate and AAA getting their face pushed in part of the year, so it's difficult for me to figure out who's telling the truth vs. propaganda. I've heard a little bit from both sides, although since SOLAR is russian-speaking, there is a definite anti-SOLAR slant on evenews24 and kugu.
What I've been able to discern/can say is this:
1. There was absolutely no "diplomatic imperative" to blue NC. in the Geminate campaign whatsoever, and cries about SOLAR "backstabbing" NC. seem to be equally unfounded. NC. and SOLAR have been staunch enemies ever since NC. joined in on the dogpiling of SOLAR late 2011/early 2012 (last time I was active). From what people have said, NC. and SOLAR continued to carry on a sort of semi-war in Geminate during that Spring and Summer. Regardless of the intensity of the conflict at the time that NC. started fighting CFC (controversy over whether it was constant, or SOLAR left and came back to sucker punch NC. unsuspecting in the back, whether there was a ceasefire etc.), what would motivate SOLAR into blueing NC., an alliance that had tried to extirpate SOLAR, kick them while they were down so-to-speak and had fought against for half a year? Sure, SOLAR might not like the CFC either for harbouring Legion of Death, but the way they see it (and any reasonable person would admit to this): SOLAR are the head of a large, growing coalition with great potential; two potential enemies are fighting one another, one may win and the other may be destroyed (win for SOLAR!!), so why complicate things by allying with the weaker of the sides (NC. not to mention, they are the "hated NC.") and fighting against the strongest coalition in the game?
Sure, the potential rewards of defeating the CFC are great (tech moons and such), but how can you really know that you can trust NC. to get fair spoils of the war, especially after being such bitter enemies for so long? Even more significantly, the risks are far greater! If you start losing, the CFC might end up destroying your new, baby coalition! Given the historic relationship between NC. and SOLAR, SOLAR made the right decision at the time (which isn't turning out well right now, but hindsight is 20/20, also, as the Zen Masters say, "we'll see…"), go after the smaller and hated side (NC.), acquire minor (but relatively assured) rewards with very minor risks, continue building the coalition.
2. As for the second point regarding AAA, there's a lot of propaganda shit thrown here too. AAA says SOLAR didn't do anything to help, while SOLAR says AAA employed their patented "run the fuck away in 100MN whatevs!!!" tactic and made it all but impossible/pointless to even bother helping. I don't really know who's telling the truth; probably each side is expressing a bit of truth and it may ultimately come down to a break-down in communications/mis-communication that caused the lack of co-operation.
Every alliance tries to do what is best for themselves, SOLAR are no different, shit just didn't turn out the best for them, no one can predict the future yo
. They'll still be around though, radioactive Russian l33t pvp cockroaches brah 
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I also thought you were going to stop in Cache, but now I see some sov being taken in Etherium, Malpais, Kalevala, Geminate and I think one in the Spire?!
Again forgot TL;DR: SOLAR was under no obligation, brotherly or rational to blue or cease shooting NC. during their war against CFC; SOLAR and AAA bitch together like an old couple
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Tried to find a way to quote everything I wanted to but I wanted to make this a little bit more concise then that. We never saw them as staunch enemies but I guess that is how they felt idk I'm not Russian. To your "no diplomatic imperative argument" sure they didn't have to blue us but by them fighting us it was even more of a diplomatic disaster as arguably their strongest ally (Gypsy Band) and IRC (not strong in any sense of the word but put up very big numbers in U.S tz) had already blued us to fight against CFC. As far as we were concerned the fighting in Geminate had been great fights that were honestly hard to come by in Eve and us and Gypsy at the least had a very respectful relationship during and after that conflict.
To fill you in a little bit at least from how I saw it. We were hired by Legion to help them in their war and in the process we took Geminate's tech with PL. Eventually we left that conflict and Legion crumbled under the weight of -A-/Solar/Gypsy. After that several months passed without anything happening on the Solar front. Brick Squad took over the majority of Geminate and then reinforced one of our tech moons. When we came to defend this tech moon Gypsy Band/Solar jumped on us in a very good surprise attack which kicked off our war against them in June. After roughly 2 months of fighting we controlled Geminate and Solar Fleet/Gypsy Band redeployed away from the area which meant they did not show up to anymore timers. A little while after that we began the war vs the CFC which Gypsy/IRC both joined us in fighting.
It would have been less complicated if they had stayed wherever they redeployed to but instead once Mactep saw we were fighting the CFC he came back up and spent the next few months fighting Evoke and us over Geminate. I am a little fuzzy on what happened in the south but I do know that Gypsy Band's alliance CEO was in one of our fleets that fought the CFC/Solar in one of our Geminate battles just before they reset each other and started fighting in the south.
"SOLAR are the head of a large, growing coalition with great potential; two potential enemies are fighting one another, one may win and the other may be destroyed (win for SOLAR!!)" Your argument would hold merit if they stayed out of it. Instead they chose a side which in your own words would have been foolish and it is turning out that way in the fullest extent of the word.
2. "AAA employed their patented "run the fuck away in 100MN whatevs!!!" tactic and made it all but impossible/pointless to even bother helping" http://northern-coalition.co.uk/?a=kill_related&a… <— that argument has no merit since Solar uses them too. Solar could have turned the tide in the west or at the very least made it a closer fight but they chose not to and that decision is again biting them in the ass. The coalition fighting them now is mostly made up of people that lost space in the 2 conflicts they could have a) in nc.'s case stayed out of or b) in Nulli's case helped fight against the blob that was invading them or c) not alienated Gypsy/Whyso/Ink
I think I got to most of your argument I tried going over it as much as possible to see if I missed anything
I'd agree, having two of your allies (Gypsy and IRC) blue an actively and historically hostile alliance like NC. did represent a "diplomatic disaster." Diplomatically, that put SOLAR in quite the pickle.
Thanks for the historical info too.
Actually, I said siding with NC. would be foolish. Consult my second paragraph of point 1, fighting and destroying NC. probably provided the best reward vs. risk ratio (at that time, under those intelligence conditions) for SOLAR.
The "run the fuck away in 100MN whatevs" was meant more figuratively than literally (although they did also use 100MN fleet concepts, Zealot IIRC?) as a SOLAR jab at AAAs general and well-known strategy of not fighting for their space. The SOLAR position is: "why fight for someone's home when they won't fight for it?" As one SOLAR poster said, AAA wanted to use SOLAR as meatshields while they safely snipe from their Tengu's all the while deriding the SOLAR fleet concept of Maels as outdated. Seems to me, the tone of "assistance" may have been somewhat insulting. This engendered disagreements, leading to miscommunication, unwillingness to help etc. Both sides are probably to blame, not just SOLAR.
I addressed "a" and "b," "c" I'm less familiar with, but Gypsy blueing NC. (hated enemy, past, present and potentially future threat of SOLAR) put SOLAR into quite the diplomatic quandary.
TL;DR:
Even the best diplomacy can sometimes backfire, shit happens.
Shame, you have to really feel sorry for this guy. Hoping that the incompetent Solor are some kind of PVPers. I bet he is a Solor Pet. Solor are better PVPers than Fazor but then Fazor are not PVPers at all. Solor has maybe 20% of the skill of N3 PvPers, so yeh they are really good.
Since your name hints that you are a highsec carebear…. it would be best if you STFU and listen up.
1. Imp-L is mactep's favourite pet alliance. They used to live in Scalding Pass. INK saved their asses last spring when 401K tried to push their way into Imp-L space. Which is 1 of the reasons why Riverini hates INK. As he was in 401K. Those were some good fights.
2. When Imp-L were loosing their space in Scalding Pass, Solar and ED quickly gave them some systems so they could continue carebearing. Imp-L survival is the destruction of Solar and their pets. Just ask any vets from the Solar pets who have fallen already. Imp-L is shit, Mactep even called them out on it on comms during a Solar Fleet alliance meeting. Even ask those who left Imp-L on how delusional DRD is.
3. Through out this whole war, Imp-L has yet to really help their allies. All they have done is either evac and quit Imp-L as they used to have over 1,600 members, and are now down to over 500. Of those 500 all they could get in fleets with their allies was 7 to 9 people.
4. Solar USED to be skilled pvp'rs. ……. USED to be. Hard to be a pvp'r if you don't fight. Solar has been 'blue balling' battles since they lost all those Super Carriers shortly after the war started.
5. Mactep's diplomacy. IF you can really call it that….. His diplomacy is where he tells you to be on his side or else.
6. The only real PVP'rs Solar had on their side was when they hired Elo Knight's Black Legion. But Elo was having a hard time trying to get Solar's pets into some sort of cohesive fight force.
7. Sure we could 'speed' up the war for ya. But what fun would that be? We are grinding Solar's pets to pieces, making them cry on comms to Mactep that they are loosing space, while he does nothing.
8. FAZOR….. since their deployment to help Solar has been set to ineffective. These guys can't to anything. 120 man fleet running away from a 60 man fleet, till they can get over 300 in their fleet ROFL.
9. Best for you to stay in highsec scrub….. looks tooooo dangerous for you down here in Null. The Politics are too hard for you to understand in the 1st place.
10. Mactep has FAILED. Russians want to see his little empire destroyed once and for all. Soon shadow of xdeathx will make their move on Solar to get their old drone regions back. RA has had enough of Mactep.
It is time for Solar to fall. Even if they get help from CFC. Their time is long over due.
I was in ED, and IMP L had zero connection to anything that ever happened. I think most people didn't even notice their presence.
So ye, stfu cause you haven't a clue.
I was in both IMP-L and ED.
And you sir are correct
To go over some of your points in relation to the argument that letting IMP-L survive is the cause for the loss of three alliances.
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1. Irrelevant.
2. This is a pretty weak argument. IMP-L is an ally, of course SOLAR will try to help them survive and prosper. But more to the point, the weakness of the argument is that you're trying to relate something that happened 5+ months ago to something happening now (past month), and in that time span, many other factors that are far more significant and important than IMP-L's survival have contributed to the failure of SCDOT, PNG and ED. There are potentially 10s, maybe 100s of ultimate causes that have led to the present situation, most of them – like IMP-L's survival and their low fleet contribution – are relatively minor (too specific, need to think about macro factors, big picture yo). The most important reasons in my mind for these alliances failure (add BCA to the list) are:majority of players in these alliances are newbie industrialists/PVE'ers fighting qualitatively much better PVPers, who have even numbers, have more ISK, more experienced in nullsec, and have more supercaps, PL joining the side of N3 under contract taking two of their capital systems and all-around terrorizing them at home was demoralizing, internal problems from demoralization (disorganisation?), co-ordination issues with Russians in SOLAR etc.
3. Actually agree with you here, haven't seen IMP-L do much this entire war.
4. The notion that SOLAR are bad pvpers is about as full retard as one can possibly go. It flies in the face of epic engagements that we've seen in February: O-G95Y (SOLAR fought 2:1, victorious IIRC), U93 (1st fight victorious 1:1, second fight was even for the first half until Supers arrived despite being outnumbered 1.5:1). Also, most reasonable pvpers in N3 openly admit SOLAR are great pvpers when they decide to fight; and nobody really can blame them for not fighting at this point given they face 3-4:1 odds against solid pvpers Nulli, NC., PL, Huns etc. They ain't fighting scrubs like me yo
5. False on its head, MACTEP has not forced positive or negative relations on HBC or CFC alliances (as an example) because forcing people into with me/against me relations on a universe-wide-scale is totalitarian and ultimately self-destructive/exhausting/defeating. As for much closer to home, i.e. drone regions, well duh, any sensible person will get to know their neighbours, assess whether they are a security threat, develop a friendly/antagonistic relationship and sometimes, issue ultimatums to know where they stand/where their interests lie. This is common sense diplomacy. In politics, no one can predict the future, sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some, in spite of diplomacy.
6. Refer back to 2.
7. Irrelevant. Although things have sped up for N3 with BCAs flipping.
8. Agreed.
9. Irrelevant Ad Hominem.
10. Like I said, you win some, you lose some. Even if/when SOLAR's sov falls, I doubt this is the end for them.
TL;DR IMP-L's survival ultimately contributed very little to ED, PNG, SCDOT or BCA's failure. SOLAR are gud pvpers. I am a scrub
.In politics, you win some, you lose some (Diplomacy can't always produce miracles, shit happens).
Just like so many others (including my own) jumping ship from the hard times to join the super nap fest. Is it not time we created an entity to take on the likes of goons and all other super blobs?
Ed held out for a while, but at the end of the day Solar had bigger fish to fry in Insmother than to help ED fight off NC. and PL. We asked for help, but the coalition just couldn't compete for a variety of reasons, and so people saw the writing on the wall and made arrangements. Nothing in the last month should be considered honest ED PVP since half of ED had already moved out.
Don't forget your geography. ED is at the front of the war, We've been fighting since IMP Legion was going down, while Solar could fall back behind multiple meat shields, we couldn't. When LEM went down, it was rough, when ZZ5 fell we all saw the evidence and knew it was innevitble. Why bother fighting when you've no morale to? Why help when you get shit on every time? I know many ED pilots who wouldn't go on coalition coms just because of the rapid abuse and shitlords in PNG and SCdot.
Now, CT having sold out to the HBC/pets, most if not all the corporations have left ED: SLP, UFO, LFC, 308, IK. In trying to "save" the alliance CT infact ensured its failscade by moving to a place no one wanted to go. If we wanted to be ruled by shitlords, we would have joined the HBC from the start with. We moved to the ass end of nowhere to escape the West, not because some magic love of drones or russians.
I really like the space so far
So, ShadowandLight, Bigsako and other BCA commentators that have accused ED of betraying its allies in this articale, would you like ot make a comment on how BCA has back stabbed SOLAR by giving/selling all your space to N3 and asking to rent it back?
ED's refusal to give you their space in return for nothing and instead safeguarding their future doesn't look to bad now does it? At least ED had the guts to evac its members and use its space to the benefit of the alliance where as BCA has just gobbled up all of the coalition and then surrendered. I call that a direct attack on solar itself. Very clever. Im just glad ED did not completely fall into your trap.
SO with that in mind, now this blatent hippocracy is unveiled in all its glory, if any ex ED pilots or dishoused IRC pilots need a new/old home, you know what to do.
I have read numerous comments here and many other places calling ED nothing more than a bunch of useless carebears !! Well us carebears made NC. take over a month to take just 1 system 1ACJ not bad for a bunch of useless care bears Vs NC. especially when you consider we did it without backing from the coalition and by that time falling numbers for defense fleets.
Please remember when slagging us off we may not be the greatest PVP'ers far from it but we held off NC. and made them really work to take the system that's something that no one can ever take away from us and indeed is something we can be proud of !!
I have read numerous comments here and many other places calling ED nothing more than a bunch of useless carebears !! Well us carebears made NC. take over a month to take just 1 system 1ACJ not bad for a bunch of useless care bears Vs NC. especially when you consider we did it without backing from the coalition and by that time falling numbers for defense fleets.
Please remember when slagging us off we may not be the greatest PVP'ers far from it but we held off NC. and made them really work to take the system that's something that no one can ever take away from us and indeed is something we can be proud of !!