Li3 Federation [L3F] is leaving the ranks of the HBC to join the CFC.
While Jadecougar, their alliance CEO, has not responded to our questions, others have.
Many in the organization seem to be unhappy about the new situation as they do not fully understand the motivation behind such a change and their numbers have dwindled considerably with Li3 losing over 300 members in the process.
If you are looking to stay within the HBC and not follow the alliance you can come join my Corp. Yes this is a shamless attempt at getting people to join up with us. We will be joining TEST. Everything is approved.
It makes very no sense for this move. I read SRP, No Good Space or moons, TEST does not like Li3 or respect us. Well when we just finally started running fleet and starting to fly along side test and help in the ops they have.
They started to take notice and see what we were doing and take an intrest in li3. However I guess you will jump to a new area to invest in an SRP and re upgrade sov and spend more billions of isk and several months before you even see 1isk of money back after all of this. Not including the already 5billion+ lost in the past 24 hours of people moving there stuff out.
If the aliance kept doing what it was doing and pushing our numbers in fleets from 60 to 80 to 100 and more you would of had a few good moons and isk. But anyways I think this was a bad move for li3. I wont say much more but yeah Good luck..
If anyone in li3 is looking to join my corp and stay within the HBC please feel free to contact me or just put in an app and we will get you accepted in and you can stay safe from being dragged into the CFC.
The basic idea seems to be the perceived hassle of moving everything and starting to build reputation and contacts from scratch.
Its simple. They are making a drastic change and without warning. A lot of people are un happy and about 300 people so far have dropped. Several other corps are foing to try and form a new alliance out of the corps leaving. So with (im assuming) half the alliance leaving it wont be the same alliance.
I also heard that jade got fussy over test trolling his fourm post and calling him names and a few test said he was difficult to negotiate with. Also who wants to move billions of there assets the whole way to the other side of eve. I built up my reputation in HBC as well as li3. Its too much hassel to have to restart over and re prove yourself to a completly new set of people being the cfc.
Far as i see it li3 is going to be half or 1/4 of what it used to be all over 3 tech moons as jade said in the ceo meeting when we were told. To quote a black lady about restarting all over in a new colition: Aint nobody got time fo that!
The reasons behind Jadecougar’s decision have not been disclosed. Disdain from TEST seems to have played a part, a cold shoulder that Li3 members have resented over, but whether that was enough to make them seek greener pastures or whether there was some juicy rewards waiting for them is to be confirmed.
Recording
Here is an ally meeting where Li3 members discuss the realities of their alliance.
-Darius
Why is this happening? We don't want this shitty alliance.
Yes you do, blues for the blue gods.
Don't worry, most of us didn't want your shitty coalition either.
EDIT—–shitty little alliance, because we will leave them too.
Just think of them as a meat shield for the meat shield? double meat for the win:D
CFC can keep them, Freeloaders never showed up for coalition ops, you may have had a token rifter show up from time toime but that was it.
yea… oooooook. Fact is coalition presence was growing to a point equal to tribal. Then a big fat ..I.. for the PvP corps doing that. I Wish them luck but I'll not join CFC.
Thank You Drive through.
So you are in the HBC but there is no way you'd stoop to joining the CFC? LOL seriously? That's like saying "I'll eat green shit but damned if you'll ever catch me nibbling on brown shit!!!!"
Green shit is better than brown shit…Just like everyone knows Test is better than CFC, if only slightly.
At least Test doesnt take themselves serious. Where CFC make videos about crushing N3 then get killed badly, and talk shit about how they could whomp HBC then lose Billions in SC`s in lowsec.
HBC says they are shit, CFC thinks they are hott shit but is only shit.
It's all propaganda. Some people take it with a grain of salt while others actually take it in as legitimate material
LOL
Talk about an unknown alliance moving from a useless and laughable coalition to a blobbing and incompetent one. Cheers.
Who are you with again?
Well he isn't '-A- FC'
lmao AAA in PL shouldnt even post, the two faced traitors. you should be embaresssed to be in PL enjoy the HBC
Nah more triple faced just waiting for the chance to get rich and get some PL tears
There is no -A- in PL dumbass, -?- no longer exists
last time i checked eve was a game, not some "fight for your country" war.
chill the fuck dude and come out from your basement
I'm sorry, where is it you hold sov?
OMG the stupid "where do you hold sov?" comment. since you are so ~edgy~ and ~creative~ i am going to ask you how many dicks do you suck in a day to hold your sov?
please respond in crayon.
Woah woah, easy killer. I didn't mean to make you mad there.
Oh hey a umad post.
Let me tell you how hard it is to be a sov holder. First you apply to a TEST pet alliance with a newbie alt and there you go!
So that's where -A- went…
You sir win at life.
ex A members in PL suck HBC dick now.
The HBC – a coalition so laughable that you now have to introduce yourself as a "Former" -A- FC.
But they're still useless.
Also, he's kinda right.
Grabs popcorn
I for one welcome our new f1 pressing recruits
Lol, Dave for CSM
And what is PL going to do about it? No I didn't think so.
Yeh PL cannot even saya single comet to try and defend themselves, let alone actually fight us.
I heard PL is the new -A- and wont undock.
PL are scared of us. They are mostly A these days and those guys know they don't have the same pvp skills as the cfc. We are the new big boys in eve.
lol at the dude who I can only assume is part of the leadership telling everyone that they don't understand the game, and that he's a 2003 player so he knows better. He sounds like a retard talking about SRP….. basically saying they're moving for tech, and if anyone doesn't stay in LI3 that they were not 100% LI3 anyways…. I would have left the alliance just for hearing that retard speak.
^^ Approved
That sir was Frfrmpukin. Of podside fame.
i was NOT impressed… and i don't think he liked what i said back to him about that…
Who cares what you think
You just don't understand the metagame, he's from 2003!
I'm not a retard I'm a 2003 player show some respect. You probably don't know shit and have never been an important leadership figure in a relevant alliance like Li3 Federation.
Pukin, you don't know the first thing about leadership with an attitude like that.
1) Respect is earned, not demanded. You can't just say 'hey, I'm an alliance leader, all bow to me'. It doesn't work like that.
2) Just because your leadership and he isn't (as far as assumptions go), that you are far more important in an alliance than he is? Tell me, how can you be a leader when noone wants to follow you?
3) Being a '2003' player doesn't count for too much really, since Eve relies on out-of-game skills. Does being a 2003 player mean you have the book keeping skills of an accountant? Does it mean that you can conduct Diplomacy better than a police negotiator? No, it doesn't. It just means you've been playing longer, doesn't show you have 'leadership skills'.
4) A true leader won't just blurt out things over a forum either, nor assume things that could make them look like an asshat. Can you be sure that he isn't involved in an alliance leadership?
And to top this off Pukin, you claim Li3 is a 'relevant alliance'. Well, I'm sorry to tell you, but all alliances in Eve are relevant. Just because they're not as big as others, or don't take part in null sov, doesn't mean they're irrelevant. All alliances have an impact on the game. Some alliances are where good PvPers started off, some gave null alliances hell (Orphanage I'm looking at you), just because you have a 'large null alliance', doesn't make you more relevant than the 50man alliance in high sec.
There are heaps of older players who are terrible and a lot of 2011/2012 ones who are really good. It's a completely meaningless thing.
Since when did Li3 become relevant?
I probably don't know shit? You have proven in that five min recording that you don't know how to talk to people, that is one thing I do know. When corp leaders ask why on earth alliance leadership would do such a thing without consulting them, instead of explaining yourselves you go out of your way not to explain it, and insult the alliance corp leaders by telling them "they don't understand how the game works", and that they should blindly follow you because your a 2003 player as if a 2003 player means a god damn thing. Then when you try to explain why the alliance is moving you say basically say it's because of tech, but you say it in a way that makes you sound like a babble idiot well talking about the SRP, in one sentence you say "The" about fifteen. If you have some kind of speech impediment I really am sorry to be making fun of it, but I can't be the only one that thinks you sound retarded. Anyways long story short is good leaders have good people skills, and this is something you clearly are sorely lacking.
Pukin you maybe the dumbest person I'v met in EVE. Half the shit you say makes me facepalm, so when you tell anyone that they don't understand game I can't help but laugh as you have no clue what your talking about more times then not.
Just skimming your eve killboard I found this gem……
eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=159…
Nice double sebo fit bomber, always a good indication of if someone knows how to fit a ship is to tell them to make you a bomber fit, it's a not hard fit, but clueless people always link fucking retarded fits. Pukin, your like the poster child of how fucking clueless someone can be that's been play since 2003. Not that a 2003 really has much to boast about to be honest. It doesn't take ten years to learn EVE, well the learning curve is steep, it doesn't take ten years of EVE experience to understand that a double sebo fit bomber is a fail fit, people come out of EVE UNI with better ship fitting understanding, and you lead a fucking corp, and die with fail fits like that…… wow…… The funny thing is…. I know that if anyone ever try's to give you constructive criticism, to you know help you to become a better player, you'll probably insult them, and then pull out the old "I'm a 2003 player" card as it's clearly something your very proud of, and remove all doubt about how idiotic you truly are.
I don't know you at all, but I probably you're not the person you pretend to be.
Nobody would be as stupid as to make such remarks.
You're just probably trying to pass this Pukin as a fool.
I dunno, pukin really is that dumb.
"TEST does not like Li3 or respect us"
HA! Good thing noone respects TEST.
yo dawg…
ITs kinda funny if they think that anyone in CFC will respect them, they just need meat in the southern parts:)
LI3 was already a bloated tumor of scrubs, the few relevant corps in it (which, you know, went in fleet and all) left/got kicked for not drinking Jade's kool-aid. Yeah, that Jade who get a Hel off his alliance's wallet while they dont even have a SRP. That Jade who considers that over a hundred cobalt moons are worthless.
Enjoy getting the boot in 4 months, when the CFC will realize there is a thousand carebars taking space with less than 10 of them participating on coalition level.
Was is the same Hel, that was shooting SBUs in Querious?
Confirming it is true.
well gl to whatever you guys are gonna do. hope to c u in my overview
So Li3 are going to get the traditional meat-shield space then. If I were in N3, Rogue, Solar I'd be rubbing my hands.
Lol another scrub care bear alliance joins cfc, no suprise there. More worthless morons to kull!
They don't know how to moongoo? Are we still talking about null-sec? Now tell me how to call an alliance who can't even carebear? And they want to go north and manage 4 constellations? Off you go, god i hope that you fuck up CFC economy cause it sure as hell sounds that you have the potential!
They had some retardo setup reaction farm and it went offline and a bomber killed all the mods
the moon goo person has been playing less then a year… when other more knowledgeable people tried to let him know problems… they were told to go away he knew what he was doing
Aint that smog guy still a idiot ? Last year he was pretty funny idiot but still .
As former bdeal it looks exactly like that situation I am glad I am no longer under tests regin
You obviously wern`t the disgruntled Bdeal who caused them to leave at all.
yeah and now your in FA taking fagduls dick so no improvement at all
These fags sound like your typical fags
Meaning you're already applying?
Still in high school?
-A- will RISE from the ASHES and burn those who crossed them. Death to HBC -A- VICTOR!
At least someone still has hope..
Gree wills it…it shall happen.
Long Live -A-
Heres my take on the situation which i had posted already on the mittani—-
As an ex recruitment officer of Li3 and one that saw their entrance into null sec, there are alot of things that are people do not know about li3. This is not calling the writer of this piece incompetent in reporting rather it is so unknown. I shall try and keep this as neutral and accurate as possible. How i would like to put a disclaimer, that this is far from neutral.
Li3 federation was originally formed as a wormhole alliance. With li3's bid to enter null sec, there were truly two options open at that time. Move to NPC null or find willing participants to form a corp, join a coalition then prove we are worth of full membership. NPC null is of course not an option for we were inexperienced. Jade having previous ties with SMA, Thus CFC was the coalition to impress. Thus we formed the corp, Li3's electric cucumbers for the purpose of the fleet numbers we could pull. Under the sponsorship of SMA, we went off in our brave new world Fast forward to the delve V war.
Li3's bid for null sec has proven to be very successful. With roughly 120 members, we were now the biggest corp in SMA, provided 2/3 of total fleet numbers of SMA and had over 2200 kills in the month of july. It is this time when courthouse truly payed attention to our application to join the CFC. With everyone burnt out from all the fighting (we had at least one pilot in every op for 3 weeks straight), we stand at a crossroads. It was thus decided no matter what the diplos at CFC decide, li3 must break off from SMA. A lot of the members thought we were propping up a dead corpse called SMA with no benefit to speak of. Finally courthouse has come to a decision. Li3 would get blue standings with the CFC but no space or moons and live in NPC venal. This was effectively square 1 of moving to NPC null.
Thus the directors was forced to find options. From what i understand, we approached a number of alliances such as (the now dead) soldiers of new eve, test alliance please ignore, IRC and solar. Some line members were mad and desperate enough to consider taking gypsy band's space from them and live there. Ex rivers eventually found out our coach hunting. Whether it was miscommunication or to protect SMA,, rivers was close to *commissar* li3 (which greatly soured relations between rivers and MPX as they were our main supporters. Thus resulted in their public ejection sadly). Alas he was talked away from the edge and gave li3 24 hours to evac. Speculations was that losing li3 would spark a cascade of SMA yet punishing them would destroy moral. Why turn up to fleets when the corp that did got booted?
After everyone evaced to low sec, the diplomatic talks with montolio has bared fruit and we were to be accepted as a full member of the HBC. Due to miscommunication or self assumption by us (one or both i am certain of), we had expected to be granted space with a few weeks due to our contribution to the delve war. Alas this was not the case as we were suppose to reprove ourselves to new allies. Therefore jade continued to nag monty about the space issue. Which made us look like spoilt children if i think back now. This caused monty to refuse all diplomatic discussions with jade rather with other alliance leadership. Eventually we got our space.
Unintentionally, i have personally continued to worsen jade's professional relationship with monty. Through my posting on the test forums, i conveyed what i had thought to be the correct financial situation of li3 federation. Which was terrible as we were only fully reimbursing vigils (3 mil per pop?). This led to aerollo, ceo of kaesong kosmonauts, having grave concerns that jade was taking all the moon goo profits for himself. Which proved to be untrue. None the less there is still much distrust between jade and the test leadership. From then on, i was booted from the alliance, therefore i cannot comment further.
Li3 federation's time in HBC was not for nothing. Despite the ratting drama with raiden., many line members and myself will always have a special place for our bros in raiden. They helped us in something so small yet so meaningful for many of us. The estoria campaign has proven li3 to matured a lot from the days of flying rifters in CFC fleets. I am proud to have been a cucumber, a little pickle and a dildo. As famous words of daandrah—— 'Just bite the pillow and take it all in'
And you still a douche-bag here as well…… again, do you really want to talk about the sad attempt to convince zag to give you UC3 ………….
… yeah i would shut your windsocket before all of eve knows who you bitches are.
get fagduls dick out of your mouth
Actually they wanted to give Zag UC3 and get a system they could ice mine in under their own sovereignty. Unfortunately Jadecougar thought he'd discuss it in FA’s embassy channel and was in fact talking to some reds who lived in NPC pure blind. When Zagdul finally read the channel he called Jade a retard (because inviting hostiles to your ice mining op is somewhat retarded) and Jade proceeded to whine to SMA leadership about it, demanding that they made an official complaint to FA because his feelings were hurt. When they refused he got hella mad and sperged for 20 minutes about what a nasty term “retard” is and how greatly he takes offence to it.
Once again, a nice little spin off of something that did not happen. You know the real reason Zag was approached and so does Zag's diplo. There was nothing to do with any sov changes at all but simply another system to ice mine in without an active set of cloaky hotdropping cyno guys so your statement is total BS. GG tho.
Waz up Phig you old troll. Dude SMA guys really shouldn’t troll as it like a turd saying you smell bad. I see yet again drama and strife abound in the circles of Jade and Pukin. I’m not surprised but disappointed Courthouse doesn’t have the sense or backbone to tell them to piss off. Im sure the other members of CFC are all hoping they come up and show out. Further discrediting SMA in a emo battle to grab higher suckling privileges on the goon teat.
I think we all got enough of Li3 from the original article above. Nobody knows or care who they are so your wall of text isn't needed here. Move along.
TL;DR?
I have to repeat one very important question… where is DAILY SOV MAP button??
yeah!!! sov map now!!!!
go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/inf…
here it is, save as bookmark.
you dont get it… aint ya… that button accompanied us every time when in EVE happen somethin big… when BOB was destroyed, when IT fell, when NC was crushed by DRF and when DRF gone after russians civil war (or fall of the White Noise
)… finally when -A- was killed by HBC and so on so on… it didnt ask much… just always said: "click me… check the status" so we want it BACK!
Its simple enough to me. CFC got rid of pet # 15 in C0nvicted and now need to fill slot 15 or the CFC wont have enough Drone`s to truly be the full Swarm.
Sorry to the guys who had no choice.
This is more about bleeding hbc members without having to fight. Just the goons giving more thick cock to test.
How has CFC given HBC the cock at all?
If anything HBC jumped on N3+PL`s coattails and read them for hundreds of bils.
Stop trying to put N3 on the same level as PL. You all might love hate PL but they earned there shit. N3 hasn't done anything to even remotely be on the same level as PL.
Intil N3 decides to take on a real threat and not under the safety of the PL super umbrella they will still be a second tier coalition with great spreging supporters on how great N3 is on eve 24.
We here play eve online. "Ican't be more retarded then this online" is that away –>
Nulli is shit. Tell your friends so that they won't look stupid for posting garbage like this.
nulli is pretty shit
I'd love to know who these 15 CFC alliances are. Personally I think you just can't count.
TEST member is ritght, it was spot #13 not spot #15.
1 Circle-Of-Two
2 Executive Outcomes
3 Fatal Ascension
4 Fidelas Constans
5 Gentlemen's Agreement
6 Get Off My Lawn
7 Goonswarm fedderation
8 Legion of xXDEATHXx
9 Li3 Federation
10 RAZOR Alliance
11 SpaceMonkey's Alliance
12 Tactical Narcotics Team
13 Wildly Inappropriate.
WIdot aren't an alliance anymore but otherwise it's a good list!
Coalitions
raynor.cl/eve/coalition.php
WIdot hasn't been an alliance for a couple years. They are a megacorp within GSF. Otherwise Decent list
We listed 13…Sorry was 2 off you douche
Look at Sov map. Also these are only the SOV owning Alli`s not eve smaller ones.
There aren't any "smaller ones". It's just you often throw things like "15 alliances" and "50K members" around and it makes you look like you're full of shit.
No I dont.
I have always said 15 Alliances and 30kish players.
In reality before Convicted they had 15 Alliances and 28.5k players. That isnt exaggerating I am right on the money. Esp since CFC fluxuates in numbers.
Also who cares that they lost Convicted they almost all went to FA, and CFC took Li3.
You guys who say CFc doesnt have other allies who live there but dont hold SOV are full of shit.
Lol "Quality recruitment takes time" "We just dont take anyone"
Classic
They keep saying losing 50% is ok and the guys aren`t true LIB, but you can see this retarded leadership really thinks they are going to get Tech. And since they know nothing of Moon mining they assume they will be rich….They give no shits about SRP, I guarantee them not getting SRP until the coffers get full.
Given the history of some of the CFC and HBC alliances I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of that moon isk vanish into the leadership black hole.
nothing to see here. Move along. These are not the duderz you are looking for.
Li3 is a joke, nobody will really benefit from having them on bluelist.
The interesting thing is about "pushing for higher numbers in fleets". Didnt HBC present themselves like cool and laidback community where everyone can do whatever they want, nobody is asked to do PVP if they do not want… is not this "push" on contrary with the basic concept of HBC?
I just comment that HBC says something but acts differently.
My personal opinion is, that people who do not contribute to common goals by participation on PVP, should only be allowed to reside in nullsec as renters. 90% of HBC are farmers, the whole concept of this blob is abomination. They deserve to be exterminated.
Definitely shocking Watson!!!!!
foolish ogo, HBC didnt present themselves like anything, TEST however presented themselves with a give no fucks attitude and expressly as a place for new players to get into the cool aspects of the game faster without being assholes to them, in fact we reward our hero noobs greatly, some times they go abit overboard, like FTang Steve… my god have i never heard a dumber guy in my life, i mean seriously, how many weeks does it take for a dude to figure out what a fucking anchor is?!?!?!?
Yeah cause when you were a sub 1M Sp player you knew what the fuck you were doing I bet. Ftang Steve is a cool chick, and a new player trying to learn eve. Gasp.
you do realise that once they move to CFC they will gain 1000 members back? Why would you want to be in the south when you can be in the north and gain lots of tech? HBC are pretty new and have a lot of shitty alliances. Test being one of them. Only decent thing in HBC is PL.
Do you really in your wildest dreams think they can join and from day 1 get tech?O.o
Bets on this guy being a hisec player completely ignorant to the workings of the game outside of what he hears randoms say. HBC isn't new by any means, the name may be relative to CFC. Tech moons are controlled by the big boys, not randoms. PL is pretty much a shell of what it once was.
I think stuff about things and things about stuff.. I like PIE! I hate anyone named Armtoe and AH HA bitches. I hate you all equally thats why I live in 0.0 it's just cause I want you all to die.. in a friendly sort of way. nah in the mean sort of way, die bithces die
this sounds like the average Eve alliance. Retarded, but at least full of themselves.
Yeah, think they should go and Join FA, it cant get any worse:D
Probably would have been better off staying, while lotta players don't like Test but they hate goons more so the protest are understandable..
the only reason people dont like test is because they are ignorant of test, they see a large alliance and think, bob, goon, blob, test…. infact its just a large % of the community who have the same wants and compatable playstyles, no fucks given
no im sure ull find its the childish shitposts and link spam in local when tests around that will do it
WHO!
Pukin is a part of Li3 leadership ??? Li3 you lose.
lol…. the one dude in that recording broke it down pretty simply…. "We did it for the tech" and he was actually stupid enough to think that this was an acceptable reasoning. The alliance hasn't even been around very long, and they're already corrupt.
Oh, and by the way whoever that dude was that was saying "you don't understand the game", and that he was a 2003 player should probably not be leading a corp, or an alliance, or whatever his role is. He doesn't even try to present a valid argument, he pretty much just tells everyone "your stupid, and I know better as I'v been playing since 2003", and then later alienates people more by saying "if your not with us, you were 100% not Li3 anyways" Like really…. why would you put someone like that in any type of leadership role? it doesn't make any sense….. listening to that recording I can't help but think that dude is just trying to get rid of potential rivals in the alliance at the expense of the alliance itself. Like he goes out of his way to insult every corp CEO, or director that happens to be in the channel. It's mind boggle that Jade would even let that guy talk, he seems like a disaster waiting to happen, and if nothing else very counter productive in this meeting. Jade should have told him to STFU the moment he insulted everyone in the channel.
He was literally only leadership because he ran the alliance forums.
If li3 weren't completely fucking useless they would have been respected, but considering they never brought more then 5 people to strat ops and spent all their time mining in m-o and other upgraded "test" systems – we give zero fucks that these asshats are leaving. More anoms for me!
Cascade for this shit alliance is imminent with the leadership they have.
They left one bloated organization for another bloated organization….
?orly?
You really only need to listen to the podside podcast to see how much those guys love the 'meta game' so it's not surprising they've swapped from Test who play eve online so they can play eve off line with their old chums. They've jettisoned their PVP backbone because Monty didn't play the meta game with them.
I PVP without a SRP and am happy to do so because the people I play with like PVP I'm pretty sure I'm the same as anyone who enjoys PVP.
If you have people who won't fight without an SRP they are null bears, plain and simple.
you dont know what you talk about dude…
lol, this alliance is so unstable….. look at Li3's corp history, it's like a revolving door of corps coming and going. Li3 has 43 former in a 14 month time span, 15 in the last 20 days. Now look at Razor one of the most stable alliances in the game who has been around since 2005, even been evicted from their space, and only have 35 former corps.
Numbers are cool by the way.
60 still better fleet numbers then sma
A great example of goons tempting the small children from the HBC schoolyard with their tasty treats… Goons trying to gather numbers? While also chipping some from HBC?
Sneaky Goons
and btw Smog890 for president, I have known him for a long time he is a certified bamf and stand up guy.
People who change sides in times of war, … enough said.
which war?
also, when is there no war in eve?
WHO CARES OMG
This shit alliance leaving another shit alliance when shit hits the fan.
HBC are fucking empire carebears
With no CFC or PL to hold their hand this is how they fly: a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=91…
retards. You're not even pets, you're worse.
Go troll/flame/talk shit. That's all you can. Learn to fly NOOBS
"-A- bitter vet". But you're no butt hurt over getting rolled by test, right?
Roll over little -a-
Will goons offer the same space if they lose half their members?
Li3 has taken posession of the space, AND they have lost half their members. I think that answers the question.
kicked in a week!
was in li1 for all.of three days
heard jade once on day three and left corp
CEO asks why I left
I said "he's a duche, you'll see"
that was October
I expected by may the alliance would be here
hooray for overachievers
jade is still a duche
Being in HBC they increased in numbers…
Leave HBC and now down to 630 members…
More than 50% loss in numbers…
Nuff said me thinks…