Well it seems like the EVE University scandal just hit rock bottom. As if it wasn’t enough to have botters within their ranks, the top brass of their membership tried to instigate a small riot after having almost 320 billion seized from their coffers as reprisal.
In case you haven’t taken the time to read Poetic Stanziel’s in depth article, here is the lowdown.
From my dropbox:
tl;dr: E-UNI member with spotless record gets temp banned for suspected botting. Is told to go away when he professes innocence and provides proof. Decides to just leave EVE and donates 300 billion ISK to E-UNI. E-UNI asks CCP if its all legit, CCP removes it. E-UNI asks why even leave it with him if it was legit, and is concerned that CCPs security team have no oversight. E-UNI is told to go away. CCP’s security team have no oversight?
Pretty much what happened:
- An EVE-UNI member named “John” made a shitload of ISK manipulating several market Hubs utilising different accounts.
- He even created a website which could be run using the in game browser (IGB) so he could track and change market orders with alarming accuracy.
- CCP Games recently gave him a 14-days botting ban.
- The dude flips, give all his stuff to EVE-Uni and biomasses his character.
- Two weeks afterwards, the assets are seized from EVE-UNI coffers.
- Shit hits the fan.
Several threads has been opened in the EVE-O forums in an attempt to create enough critical mass to bite CCP Games hand and somehow revert this issue. Most of the criticism came from CCP Games’ perceived inconsistency; “We don’t take assets, oh wait we’ll take them.”. One of these threads was replied to by CCP Games head of security, CCP Sreegs, who responded:
There are a number of things wrong with the assertions being made in other forums, which is a topic I’m sure the author of these posts is familiar with because we discussed them prior to his rather selective reporting of the incident. Here’s the facts as we need be concerned from an eve perspective:
1) John was botting. That is not even close to in dispute.
2) We committed an error in not removing the isk before it got to EVE-U. However we did rectify this problem and our logs show that it was discussed and approved prior to either them receiving the isk or petitioning. We apologized to EVE-U however the petition was escalated as high as it could be and the decision remained. We cannot typically share this information with them as it’s really none of their business.
3) The only authority higher than the Director of Security for these complaints is the Executive Producer and then the CEO. This is a higher level of escalation than the Customer Service arm and IA automatically looks at our work. I’m not sure why we feel we should be able to escalate higher than the highest reasonable authority but the fact is that this team operates with significant oversight. We believe the issue here to be more that this particular CSM feels he isn’t in the loop, something which is quite frankly the only proper way to do business in a unit that handles secrets.
Frankly we’re a bit disturbed by the allegations made here given that the person in question waited until they exhausted every resource possible prior to posting this then lamented the lack of an escalation path. Not getting the answer you like isn’t a lack of an escalation path and never will be.
After being inquired regarding the possibility to “escalate” the issue to higher authorities within CCP Games, Sreegs pointed out:
The fact is that we did insofar as we could being that we were dealing with a third party. This party wanted to be treated specially rather than like a normal customer and we simply do not operate that way.
:Edit: to state that escalation isn’t the issue in a topic titled quite hilariously dramatically “Who watches the watchers” is a bit of a misstep IMO
In an ironic twist, Kelduum Revaan’s whole “act” just turned from a GM action protest to down right defending botted assets. One could understand zipping through 320 billion worth of transactions can take some time indeed. Still, it is in the head of some that the money was “legit”:
[19:19:47] Tenar Sparrowhawk > whatwhat?! anyone read about ccp taking this isk?
[19:20:39] Kelduum Revaan > we had 317 billion ISK to do awesome stuff with. we don’t any more
[19:21:20] Turhan Bey > Why’d they remove it if it was legit?
[19:21:44] Kelduum Revaan > and if it wasnt legit, why wait 3 weeks to remove it?
And to think this guy is actually a member of the current Council of Stellar Management.