This weekend, wormhole mercanary alliance Exhale. [XHALE] has severely inconvenienced (talk about euphemisms) Russian wormholers U N K N O W N [KNOW] inside the latter’s home of J212612, a C6.
According to Chitsa Jason of Exhale., U N K N O W N had previously invaded the C5 home of Timber Wolves [WOOFF], who in turn hired Exhale. to help.
Unable to enter this C5 due to nice WH control by U N K N O W N, Exhale. decided to go for the next best thing: invade U N K N O W N’s home C6 when their main fleet was out for business. In order to do this, Exhale. collapsed their own C6 static exit for hours, eventually finding U N K N O W N’s home, feeding capitals through and burning most things in their sights with no opposition, while looting a respectable amount of assets which made a nice complement to the fee collected from Timber Wolves.
Exhale. claim they witnessed hours upon hours of T3s and Capitals self-destructing as well, and that they are not keeping the wormhole for themselves.
Several billions destroyed, a favor to good friends done, a mercenary contract dutifully executed, and a big bag of loot (details of which have been kindly requested) marked a very successful weekend for Exhale. overall.
-Darius
POS killmails. Me gusta
I was driven by my mental picture of the UNKNOWN guys coming back home and going "oh, fuck" while contemplating the smoking ruins of their well set-up wormhole.
You have to credit Exhale., though. They couldn't defend their customers' C5, so they tried for hours until they found UNKNOWN's C6 and thoroughly fucked them. Pity they didn't manage to snag a few cap kills.
Exhaled diplo Chitsa Jackson
this made my day
Riverini & Darius check your spelling :
Exhale. – not Exhaled. and Chitsa Jason – not Chitsa Jackson
It was corrected already. It takes a few minutes to, well, catch up.
I was going to delete this comment, but I'll let it stay to forever remind me to proofread everything once more.
ALWAYS once more.
When it says "self-destructs" for hours, We mean about 18 hours worth. I Must has I had a tear in my eye when I saw heard that the balgons and Mack in the PoS went pop with out my guns touching them.
kinda sucks looking at this, since I lived in wormhole, I know exactly how that is
no the less, grats on teh victory
Also, We may not have got any cap kills in this venture. But we did get a few funny's.
eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=163…
Note Large Rigs
Damn, that cheetah must be OLD then. Nice kill.
Six and a half pages of almost exclusively structure mails. How is it that all the 0.0 alliance are complaining about grinding structures when the w-space dudes do it for 24 hours straight in a WH with little to no logistics support.
Just goes to show you that W-space is eve on hard mode while sov 0.0 has become a nest of carebears and bitter vets.
if you ever get to witness a wormhole pos bash, the final hours are, as described in the report if you had read the whole thing, usually filled with ship after ship self-destructing inside the pos. if it was indeed t3's and carriers filled with the wh's supply of mods, fuel and loot, you're easily talking tens of billions worth of isk destroyed.
Not sure that's true – when's the last time someone in 0.0 had 200 supercapital warships show up to destroy their dread pos-bash gang? Obviously not going to happen in WH but in regular null that's a real threat depending upon who your enemies are.
Oh – also iHub = 200+ Million HP and needs to be destroyed over a period of 5 or so days, that's after anchoring several hundred million worth of SBUs and waiting for them to online. After that – it gets even better! You (possibly) have a station to take down and finally the usually-much-easier task of popping the TCU. THEN you get to wait AGAIN while your own (or if you're red alliance all 27) of your TCUs start to online, probably put up defensive SBUs but not before onlining your own iHub.
OH! Did I forget to mention…. you haven't TOUCHED a single POS yet! Sov-schmov doesn't matter much if the bad guy can still stage out of the system….
Yeah – WH pos grinding is clearly WAY worse.
So, you're telling me that siegeing a tower with as little as 6 dreads and a few dozen assorted subcaps is easier than killing an iHub or TCU or a dickstar pos with 20+ supers, not to mention the hundreds of pilots in subcaps and dozens of dreads…
Like i said, carebears and whining bitter vets.
I think we all know that the "We don't like sov. warfare, so we're not going to take part" line from PL, and GSF was abunch of bull, it was all to save the RMT empire they have built for themselves. Why risk it when they can pretend they don't like sov. well living in sov., and in PL's case shooting structures everyday. GSF, and PL are moon carebears.
Awww, the little CFC Mittani fanboi is mad that is logic is terrible. Isn't it cute?!
Oh, and to bring the point home, you can only get 4 dreads in at a time before you need to scan down another WH entrance, usually through multiple WHs.
its 3 capitals per hole. we brought in 9 dreads and 3 archons. and a 50 man t3 fleet with guard support
I was SWAGing it with the stats of an unfitted rev, but the point is still valid. takes a while for set up.
absolutely. people dont quiet understand the amount of logistics involved. its a lot of effort.
Lies. raynor.cl/eve/formRecive.php?id=eFMvSr2
lulz @ no logi. They had their usual six to eight guardians and an archon + a 50 man T3 fleet, + seven or eight dreads iirc.
Blobbing structures in w-space ftw!
well, a relative blob. The horn of Goondor can't be used in w-space afaik
why the fuck would we bring less than what our alliance is capable of fielding when we invade a c6 wormhole. anyone remember the Hard Knocks Inc. Invasion? NOHO and AHARM had a similar sized capital fleet and even they were "out blobbed" as you would say. There are always bigger fish in the pond your just not one of them.
Ok why the fuck is it that as soon as the enemy have more pilots than you its bloobing?
Fucking bloobing is when the enemy have a ton more pilots they blob the shit out of the system, swarm the system, they flood the shit out of the system, not when they have 50-60 more pilots..!!!
Nice stuff although sad is the day when I find WH news to be more interesting then null news.
Self-destructing T3s? Self-destructing your T3 doesn't affect your SP?
Yeah, after "hours upon hours of self-destructing T3s" those guys couldn't board a strategic cruiser anymore… Someone is full of shit here.
You do realize that you can eject after initiating SD, haven't tested but I assume it works the same way as if someone starts shooting you and if you eject you don't loose skill…
Starting a sd and then ejecting dose not affect your sp same as ejecting just by you pop in a pvp fight will save your sp
Self destructing your T3 doesn't cost you skill points.
I believe there is no skill loss once you start the sequence then eject.
Unwritten rule of wormhole space – Don't siege a WH alliance that PVPs, for no reason whatsoever. The siege system was a vanilla C5 static C5 which you can find vacant if you look. Although a few BPC's dropped (cap construction parts, some T3 BPC's etc) no caps were lost or self destructed by Timberwolves. What a waste of time U N K N O W N, hope it was worth it.
There is no such rule either written or unwritten, its more bullshit and retardism from that lame aharm lead diplo channel which is ruining w-space with the negotiated fights, and no evictions if you play by their rules dogshit.
The point isn't to negotiate fights, it is to leave the "I'm taking your space" crap to the nullsec bloc and provide a place for those that wish to fight, to live and fight. Written, unwritten or "hey Exhale. here is a ton of isk, go punch these guys in the nuts" what happened happened.
Your trying to rationalise reducing conflict drivers like invasions in w-space by behaving like test and goons and agreeing to negotiate fights as long as they don't take your stuff! HTFU and fight to protect your own stuff instead of behaving like girls.
Well, just ask UNKNOWN how it all worked out then. If they would have played by the, in your view, non existent rules of WH space, maybe they would still have a C6 and maybe, just maybe it's them and YOU that need to HTFU and not us. If they really wanted to "drive conflict" they should have picked on someone their own size. No circle jerk here dude, just WH justice.
I have no problem with U N K N O W N's eviction beyond the method by which it was accomplished, they at least were trying to create conflict in w-space by invading you, my problem is with your stupid they shouldn't have tried to invade us because we fight and agreed with the rest of the circlejerk that we should not be invaded attitude.
lol@ no circlejerk, you batphoned Exhale leading members of the circlejerk and paid them to blob your enemies
Our disagreement aside, if you were UNKNOWN and had just gotten the better of wolves in a T3 engagement the week before, WHY would you want to remove them from WH space? Do you want less people to come after your bait fleets? Do you want WH space to be an even "more elite circle jerk?" Why would you want that? I have no idea why, because if I were them, I would just take down notes, "Wolves game for a fight" and look forward to the next one. Their actions were beyond understanding and were dealt with. You may not like the batphoning, but I am sure you would have done the same thing if you were in wolves position.
It doesn't matter what their reason was, they may have decided to invade you for shits and giggles that's their business, lots of people invade other holes because they can or they are bored or they want your stuff.
The fact that you are prepared to fight doesn't mean that you cannot or should not be invaded, so they remove you from WH space, just go and find another hole to live in, oh and your wrong about batphoning as well.
What the article author missed out completely and you also did not check is that just a few months back Timber Wolves were in Exhale., nobody bothers that they are Exhale. friends maybe and those friends can come to an aid when somebody wants to ROFLstomp them.
Your diplo reported that Exhale. and Timber Wolves were friends.
This is specifically mentioned in the article.
And regardless of their friendship, they still got money. So it IS a merc contract.
I think it's accurate enough.
it was a merc contract. Timber Wolves left Exhale. alliance on good terms so we were glad to help and except the contract. Darius is correct.
Accept.
How does one 'create conflict' by picking on someone that has no chance whatsoever of fighting back? We connected to them on many occasions with an even fleet so if they truly wanted to fight, why did they roll the hole within a few minutes? This was a classic case of taking candy from a kid and not wanting to face any consequences. Unfortunately for them, they lost their entire system.
I see what you are trying to say about how it all played out, but you are on the outside looking in. However, this should serve notice and reminder that in WH Space, be ready to be dealt with. As for me, I have been living in WH Space for years now and I look forward to good fights. C5 and C6 alliance evictions are few and far between. Bottom line….They thought they had an easy target and now they are homeless. CCP puts those warning notices up before you jump in a WH for a reason!
wh invasions are usually very dull and boring. Whoever maintains wh control will win.
Once again, no, you do not understand. For one C6 PvP alliance to go and wipe another from wormhole space completely is the same as Goons or Test having another alliance join their retarded coalitions. Simply put, it removes an opponent from play.
Now, that's definitely not what we want, we want to roll the statics and then pop out and find that people from other alliances aren't watching their backs, then we gank them, wait, and see if a fight will escalate.
Unless you really earn someone's chagrin in wormhole space by trying to raze their friends' systems or by being a pure carebear, a wormhole corp or alliance likely isn't going to be booted from their system.
Uh, AHARM isn't in charge of the wh diplo channel, it is actually run by MisterAl tt1 of w-space (and I think Chitsa is even a channel admin)
The point remains the same, irrespective of who leads it or owns the channel, you've effectively all agreed to blue each other, without setting standings, so you can carebear and isk whore without the risk of eviction. All the while you pretend that you are PVP corps and alliances whilst taking negotiated fights with each other.
Congratulations on turning w-space in nullsec, perhaps instead of joining the diplo channel you should just all join goons or test.
Maybe you should live in one of these PvP alliances in C6-C5 space and participate in their ops. Maybe you will understand that the alliances will fight each other but will not get rid of each other. Otherwise, where would all the fights go?
That certainly does not mean that we are "blue without standing settings" it means that we just won't completely erase each other from wormhole space.
Can't really expect someone outside the fold to understand though.
There will always be people living in C5/C6 space, if you evict people, they'll move and live somewhere else or more people with move in. If the corp or alliance dies, the members will move to another corp or alliance, keep on spouting your bullshit though, with your arranged T1 cruiser fights against your frenemies and the rest of your faggotry.
Perhaps you should arrange some sort of price fixing scheme for blue loot – OTEC seems like a good name, oh wait that's already taken.
Wow man, you are mad as fuck, who pissed in your cheerios?
Friend, I don't think you could make a more retarded statement than the one you just made.
It is blatantly obvious you've never lived in wspace, have no clue whatsoever about the mechanics, mindset, or what it takes to live in said space.
Kindly go back to doing whatever pubbie thing you enjoy doing in eve, or actually man the fuck up and move into w-space yourself.
Until you've lived in wspace for an extended period of time, your voice has no weight, no meaning, and no truth to it.
your all cunts.
"You're"
Not sure if either angry Russian who was on the receiving end or nullfag troll.
Exhale. does not have any rules not to invade PVP corporations or alliances. We invade anyone and everyone who we deem a target.
PRIMARY EVERYTHING! RAWR
It was long long grind on there home system but unknown had violated a unwritten rule in w space about not sieging out corps/alliances that like to fight and will go into a fight even when there is a slight disadvantage.. Could not let this go as we took unknowns bait using Jedi alliance about a week earlier and got dropped on by unknown losing a large t3 fight.. g/f's were exchanged and we got our podded boys home..that should of been the end of it. but then this..A job Well done by exhale and i am very Happy to call them friends of Timber wolves..
there are no rules in wspace, just a few nip nap blobtards.
Who vs who??? Don't think any fucks were given…….
Amazing. Here am I, trying to promote the game, trying to gather interesting stories and giving people the chance to get free publicity for their efforts, and letting New Eden know that THERE IS LIFE outside the CFC, HBC, PL, NCDot and the likes of those.
And what is the comment that never fails to appear? The "I don't know those guys, so whatever they did is of no interest to me".
It's like the "another CFC bot down" crew at Eve-kill.
Well, my friend. I DID put the names of the alliances involved in the headline. Can't say you were fooled to click on the article expecting something else.
he's just a CFC/HBC grunt who no one gives a fuck about. As someone once said: I'd rather be a name in a no-name alliance, then a no-name in a named alliance. Wormhole space in general gives zero fucks about you and your nullsec drama. That is why we are here in the first place.
Unfortunately this site is thick with trolls. Ignore them. Plenty of people appreciate your efforts.
Fuck me so even wormhole space has turned into a nip nap fuckfest. Eve really has hit rock bottom.
09:07:40 Notify Rorqual belonging to Beatles Girl self-destructs.
I've still never killed one
haha I was there, just loved killin me some space russians. o/
We got word BITIN was looking to fight us because they knew that we were sieging, and they connected to the static of the siege system but rolled, then actually rolled into the system later. When that happened and we saw their tags on d-scan, we were so excited we'd get a fight. Then they told us they were closing, and we were all very sad.
Beyond that it was a quiet operation, with a couple points of surprise or tension.
Would have been suicide for us unfortunately.
We do our best to oblige though.
Here are some of the SD's I witnessed in one of the POS'es while I was awake : pastebin.com/3z8qVBiv
yeah i dont think we have a master list. here are some within just a 2 hour period that were recorded. pastebin.com/Sjts6xgS
"Unable to enter this C5 due to nice WH control by U N K N O W N, Exhale. decided to go for the next best thing: invade U N K N O W N’s home C6 when their main fleet was out for business."
This is not true. The russians made no attempt to control wolves' WH. They were pretty much only active during their tz when they put the towers into RF etc. Wolves were able to evac all of their assets without interference from the russians.
It is alot easier to chain roll into a specific C6 than a specific C5 due to the lower number of C6 systems, thus making it unlikely exhale would be able to bring more than a few capitals into Wolves' C5 even if they had attempted to roll into that system. Still, they could have easily brought in a very sizeable subcap fleet with guardians, bhaalgorns, T3s, and more, having wolves scout them a route in to put up a nice fight against the invading russians. Exhale definitely has the numbers.
Instead what this looks like to me is exhale used the "you don't evict alliances that PvP" clause as an excuse to invade U N K N O W N's home while the majority of their fleet and capital resources were away. Honestly looks pretty pathetic on the part of exhale.
And by the way, I wouldn't really call Timber Wolves much of an "alliance that PvPs." They routinely roll their WH at the first sign of an opponent that can put up a decent fight and instead only fight when they get caught or are sure to dominate their target.
i believe there is a few things left out.. unknown had 5 alliances present in our c5..there cap ships alone totaled the amount of players we had active. they also had over 20 sub caps with them..This kill mail here will show the alliances involved in the siege cell.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_i….
What is not Being said is that to find a fight in w space can be challenging.. most corps when they see ships or probes on d scan pos up and play fish in a bubble or just log off.. W space is a mix of boredom. Hours and hours of scanning and 10 min of pure adrenalin rush .. we had a large fight with kill it with fire the other night. I believe it was posted on redditt as kill Leroy's again .. This fight lasted 1:40 min.. i was physically spent after the fight. We should of lost everything but we Never gave up made a tactical decision to lose a carrier that was tanking just fine so we could get a pilot into a second dread and we got back into the fight due to <kill> giving us enough time to regroup and we got a almost 5 billion dread kill cell.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_i… and a Bhaalgorn and a few other ships that we got points on. This fight was a the longest wh engagement i have ever been in and even though we lost ships was absolutely awesome. We exchanged good fights with kill.. did not bomb there pods that were sitting on a wormhole out of respect of the awesome fight we just had
It is this kind of fighting Corps look for in w space and it is rare to come by.. This was not a fight that was negotiated or planned it just was a spontaneous fight and this is why the unwritten rule that ppl are saying is bs in the comments came about.. If we remove Players that like to fight from W space then these kinda fights will become rare if not extinct then we will be left with ganks which are fun but not really a pvp engagement..
Wasn't suggesting you could take on the russians on you're own… I'm aware they had quite a large fleet in there. Exhale on the otherhand could of put up a fight though even without equal capital numbers.
Also, why was <kill> only able to bring 1 dread to your home in that fight? They catch you trying to roll the wh instead of fight again or something?
lool we went into the fight and once we were engaged i made the desision to reduce the mass by cycling a carrier this alowed them to only put 1 cap on grid.. If we had not wanted a fight we could of just rolled but we had our players on and wanted a fight.. This was a sound tatical desision and as much as you want to insult wolves its not going to work. We are reconised by our opponets as a fighting corp so what you are trying to say just holds no water..
We are a small alliance and you seem to be losing sight of that.. i can field small fleets at this time and we will engage larger fleets as we did with surly you joking Kill and others .anyway fly safe mate
"i made the desision to reduce the mass by cycling a carrier this alowed them to only put 1 cap on grid.."
There seems to be fewer and fewer WH corps that are willing to leroy capitals into another corps home to get blapped by their capital armada even when the WH is full mass and they can bring 3… To limit them to just 1 seems like a dickish move no matter how you spin it. I'm surprised they actually committed with just the 1 rev and a few subcaps. Looks like they payed for it in the end but big props to them for taking down 3 of 6 caps to their 1.
"Instead what this looks like to me is exhale used the "you don't evict alliances that PvP" clause as an excuse to invade U N K N O W N's home while the majority of their fleet and capital resources were away. Honestly looks pretty pathetic on the part of exhale."
While I understand your point, I dont think that was what it was about. unknown and their friends had at least 40 to 50 toons in TW system with 10 caps. And while both sides could have brought in more and we would finally have beaten them… it wouldnt be realistic to fight back and forth over friendly and enemy timers over and over while new pos's are dropped. So instead we hit them where we wouldnt have to worry about friendly timers. Unfortunately we didnt get a fight =( Oh yeah also dont fuck with our friends.
"They routinely roll their WH at the first sign of an opponent that can put up a decent fight and instead only fight when they get caught or are sure to dominate their target."
Sounds like they dont welp their people for no purpose. I dunno about you but exhale is in the business of killing spaceships, not letting people kill us. Whatever floats your boat though.
tldr.
fighting poses >> fighting players.
"This is not true. The russians made no attempt to control wolves' WH"
Exhale. told me they could not access Wolves' C5 because Russians would keep controlling and collapsing it. Straight from Chitsa.
I offered U N K N O W N the same chance, but I got no replies from anybody.
Facts are facts: U N K N O W N's C6 was invaded and destroyed. If Exhale. claims their original intention was to get to that C5 and they couldn't manage it, I find no reason to doubt their main diplo on this.
I wasn't criticizing that you wrote it. If U N K N O W N doesn't feel like commenting (understandable really) then exhale's word is all you have to go on I guess.
Was just throwing my take on this out there for anyone who might be interested in another perspective. Obviously I don't expect the unsubstantiated views of an anonymous poster to be given precedence, it is just "food for thought".
They don't have the willpower to find a C5 connection, a C6 connection is much easier, and evidently a lot more hilarious.
Whats missing from here is the fact that a few days prior to the Wolves being invaded, they got punched in the nuts by KILL pretty good, losing a good chunk of T3s, a Moros, and a pair of triaged archons to a leeroyed fleet of two guardians, a few T3′s and a Revalation.. I am not too surprised that they hired Exhale.
killalliance.co.uk/kb/?a=kill_related&…
WOOFF did lose some ships to KILL, but from what I understand it was because they had a few toons on and trickled ships in tothe fight. The seem to have managed to get some kills. A REV and BAL and some other support ships. Looks like they are a willing and capable PVP force. I guess that's why KILL didn't attempt to Siege because they know WOOFF would fight and continue to provide excitement in WH's.
Pretty much, we were outnumbered when they initially jumped through and we got our butts kicked, but once we got more people online even though we were down a few ships we killed almost every single one of them and drove them out of the wormhole.
here's a simple policy: stop being pussies and fight.
Awesome! I was able to participate in an enema once it was great fun.
All of you guys with your strong opionons why don't you grow a pair and post with your in game main's name. You who are QQ'ing about what we did…why didn't you stop us? If you felt so strongly about what we did U N K N O W N, when you guys get back in it saddle, don't throw your weight around like you have a pair…until you actully have a pair. That really goes for anyone..not speaking from exhale. if you go around and try to evice/siege somone, expect that these guys will solicite help…also, if they solicite exhale. maybe we can return them the same courtesy xD What happend here was an op was initiated…and then carried out…the end.
Honestly its totally expected to get hit when you're away somewhere else, say 162 got booted from 150200 this way. But its pretty sad that you're trying to ride a high horse after you've went for some easy structure kills. Should you've saved timbers system it would be cool and totally report worthy. This way its meh, though i guess you've got some loot(?) out of it.
U N K N O W N tried to start good fight with Timbers with small amount of ships first – didn't even controll WH but found Exhale's blob instead >> called friends for moяe fun. Sadly Exhales desided that wanking in empty c6 system is much better than good fleet fight. Their choice… But it was fun anyway. GF guys 0/
Didnt know that good fights traslated to RFing Twolves towers? We didn't get contacted until after this..but ok..tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night…i know its tough