Word is on the street that the Honey Badger Coalition banded up with the N3 duders among other Neodymium holders and took control of most of the nullsec/low-sec Neodymium supply in game. Here is my raw feed:
Hello, take a look at the Neodymium market in-game as well as Nanotransistors and every other product that requires Neodymium prices doubled.
HBC is about to launch a massive Neodymium cartel to counteract OTEC. Members will be HBC Alliances, the remainder of the Neo Curse Coalition and N3 Alliances from what it looks like so far due to the fact that these combined are holding 80-85% of all the Neodymium in the game. Whatever CFC will be in is unclear but after recent events it seems unlikely.
(11:27:15 AM) pleaseignore.com:
My friends a truly sad day is upon truly shocking events happened that left thousands of little bees starving though out all of Deklein.What caused this? Serious financial problems due to instabilities on the technetium market.
Due to our new found wealth though the plundering of secret holy moons left behind by murdered hordes of southerners it was decided that TEST must help. Our income at an all time high allowed us to send out humanitarian aid. To ensure that little bees would not have to starve and suffer the withdraw symptoms caused by a shortage of nanotransistors.
Humanitarian aid arrives at the scene:
Donations for this work of art go to: Isa Mitsuyu
#### SENT BY Beffah to All online hbc @ 2013-02-05 16:27:11 EVE Time ####
Yesterday, TEST Alliance pretty much made it official by tweeting the following stab:
When asked, Montolio explained:
NOTEC membership is basically HBC / N3 / NeoCurse right now. Others are welcome to join if they hold substantial Neodymium
After I pointed out Neodymium prices surpassed Technetium prices:
It did yesterday
The goal of NOTEC is to provide maximum value for the natural resources located in the South and East of the game.Any resource that is held in majority by the NOTEC partners. We don’t have Technetium and the CFC negotiations to protect HBC renters went nowhere. So we’ve moved to other options for securing income in the south.
I asked our resident financial advisor Danny Centauri what would be the best way to make money out of this, he elaborated:
I may end up accidentally making ISK from this actually. I’ve got about 300 T2 ships in production already. However may end up losing as going to have to wait for markets to stabilize before I buy more materials or I will be building at a loss. The changes have halved the profit margins for more T2 ships, will be very interesting to see how the market responds.
The best way to make ISK from this would be alchemy:
Neomercurite Reaction:
Inputs:
100 Platinum – 2 per POS – 54.6mil a month
100 Mercury – 2 per POS – 728.6mil a monthProducts:
40 Neo mercurite – 2 lots per POS – 1457.3mil a month (this is using 25300 as sell price, there are no sell orders right now lower than 39k waiting buy to catch up with sell)
80 Mercurty – 2 lots per POS – 582.9mil a monthFuel:
Gallente POS and fuel block for silo bonus – 397.4milFinal profit = 859.6mil per POS ran.
If the buy order on neomercurite moves up 5k then another 288mil profit. Considering that it could move up another 14k we are looking at a POS with potential to make over 1.5bil profit per month. Not bad for throwing some fuel blocks in every 2 weeks.
A key question was made by Danny Centauri after the exchange: “you think TEST could keep this up”…
Montolio responded:
If OTEC tries to drive down the price of Neo with hostile economics, we can do the same thing to Technetium
When asked whether he was collaborating or not in setting up the cartel, Vince Draken from NCDOT explained how NCDOT simply took an opportunistic approach to the situation, given the sizable amount of moons under their care.
There is no doubt we have a couple of interesting weeks ahead, there is no doubt the markets effects has already been felt. Yet – as Danny Centauri correctly pointed out – it will be left to see if the cartel can be held and for how long.
- R
well saw that one coming
It was to be expected. The only question was which moon goo they would pick.
Having an alliance that is almost 13000 strong and being just a pet because you can't give your partner an alternative to the tech cartel is just retarded and so Test is trying to fix that.
The only question that remains is if PL will now join Test in a war against CFC or if they are going to spot such a war before it even starts…
A combined HBC and n3 effort could probably beat the CFC right now if they wanted to, now that the drone regions are pretty much finished as a significant force. Having a sustainable source of income like this would almost turn it into a sure thing.
Whether or not that means an actual war… well, I'll believe it when I see it. The least risky option is doing nothing after all.
It's not really a question of if the CFC will be crushed. Just of when. You have have to remember that N3 has EvEs best PvPers where are CFC through lack of PvP has EvEs worst/least experienced.
How can one remember something that was never known?
By what measure are you stating that N3 has EvEs best PvPers and CFC is the opposite?
CFC is doing most of the killing. Has been for a very long time. How does that equate a "lack of PvP"?
Not to mention, of course, that N3 has found themselves on the wrong end of the CFC's very long dong a few times now, and it didn't work out to good for them.
Fuck me, so what do you think the drones pets going to do, assist HBC/N3 hell no.
CFC will court Solar , so please, don't get to comf. Mittens voodoo will come to fruition.
Lets suck on de goons.. DRF their are now our new warlords.
If the best the CFC can do is Solar, then the CFC is in big trouble.
I would appreciate to see CFC and especially GSF crumble. But hell, there are to much guys in EVE that earning a lot on their RMT and botting, even in the south. I don't wanna know how much ppl, but it's alot. SO who would do anything against this? Mainly no one would cut his own money donkey.
Look at Fanfest who mainly hangs around with the Devs ans so on. Then you will see who earns alot with RMT.
GSF hast to fall, ther's no other option. But many ppl are in need to jump over thier shadows. Before this not happen, nothing will change. :-/
wow butthurt much? theres a shitton LESS RMT in null than you think, and its only a couple of asswads at that selling a SMALL amount of their alliance's assets fro cash.
lol there goes the T2 market lol
i can see lots of t1 crusiers fitted with meta 4's in future fleets lol
Market wars!
Got both a neo and a tech moon.
suck on that you faggot poors.
maybe you faggots wont be to pussy to fight the cfc now then huh?
I got T2 BPOs, safe POS in empire making milking them and am not a slave to remain in any 0.0 megablob coalition.
The increased prices will trickle down into ship T2 prices, so as always, I'm immune.
You PL cocksuckers have had to suck firstly DRF cock and then goon cock for years to keep your honey. Sorry, I don't envy you.
I got a rock…
At least I got chicken.
At least I have my ballz,ehh PL where have they gone,although props for dropping CFC's blob of shite. Making your way back very slowly,alot of respect still to gain to compensate for your RMT/Botting faggotry and cowardice to go to war!
hhaha you're right, MAN I sure do wish I was in stain fucking empire
lmao
….pretty sure when he said "empire" he meant hi-sec, not stain empire…
i guess you rich faggots dont have a reason to not fight cfc now huh? except wanting to just rmt more
*Yoda Voice* Begun moon wars have
"The Dark side shrouds us all.."
CFC the dark side,N3 the rebel alliance. YEAAA BRAHHH Bring it on Darth Shittani you spewing little fucktard!
The problem is you have no Jedi to help you win against CFC,
On the other hand once you start winning you forget that you lost last time…
I am not saying that NC. is crap and bullshit like that but they were indeed forced to leave their sov once from the CFC even if it was "Because of boring sov mechanics", which I find it as a cheap excuse but ok.
I would question "forced" young padawan.
Actually. HBC is the Rebel Alliance(I.E. most are pets(But not in a good way)) CFC is the Dark side.(In most books thats good)
And most of the Southern Alliances(Red, NC, Band, etc) Could be the Republic(?) And R&K or PL can be the Trade Federation. Maybe.
No joke lol.
you need to get laid bro…
King of the South: Someone as creative and knowledgeable as bystander will have had no problem getting laid (age allowing).
nonono, the Empire were the GOOD GUYS, defending the crumbling galactic infrastructure from threats new and old, since theyw ere planning to defend the galaxy from the incoming invasions, and obliterate the corruption of the old republic.
the rebel alliance destabilized the galaxy, caused several civil wars, and because of that ineptitude, hal the galaxy became near-uninhabitable to the yuuzhon vong.
and before you bring up the death satr arguement, grand moff tarkin blew up alderaan of his own initiative, the emperor wanted it as a symbol fo fear to discourage war, nothing else.
I don't get the smug about tech when the graph shows tech at it's highest in a while with very little variation.
I'm not sure if HBC and co can maintain this. Tech is a natural bottleneck in tech 2 production; even if tech holders were to sell it as fast as they got it it would still cost a bomb. On the other hand to make a bottleneck with Neo they need to seriously restrict supply. I don't think they can do it in the long term especially given those involved only hold about half the game's Neodymium. I give it a month before it peaks and crashes. Smart folk will be starting now to gradually sell what they bought up before the climb began.
is that why tech is 4,500 isk a unit on the china server?
This was explained on another better site. The amount of moons (supply) is the same, but the amount of people (demand) is lower.
Highest it's been in awhile? Do you know how to read the history of eve market? as it's pretty much at the same price it was before OTEC was formed. It was over 200 a unit like 8 months ago, and has been falling since then to were it's at now which is less then 45 a unit……. yeah an all time high……
so will cfc go back to running another ice cartel? only this time make all the ice belts unsafe. HBC and PL cant move those supers without jump fuel
not to mention without ice those poses will go offline too. no pos fuel no neo or tech
Because any alliance worth something doesn't have a fuckhuge stockpile to last them a few months.
I definately agree which is why invested more in the short term speculations around this cartel.
next in evenews thecoming trit cartel in highsec
Nah, hunting Bots is too much effort.
I love this fucking game
What will you do with all this isk since you are unwilling to start a war with the CFC? Number 1 question you should have asked TEST.
same thing Goons do with their moon gold. RMT!!!
HBC aren't unwilling to start a war with the CFC, but PL won't back them if they do, which instantly makes it a losing proposition. They need an isk reservoir, and this seems like a pretty good one if they can keep it up!
Nah, Test is scared of not having PL, this is true. But that doesnt mean they couldnt smash CFC with N3, in fact right now HBC vs CFC I would say is almost dead even with a slight advantage to CFC in some older PVPers but a slight edge to HBC in more numbers showing up and more eagerness to fight long wars.
Add N3`s SC fleet+N3`s 10k PVPers and its KO
I dont think PL said we wont go to war, I think they said we will leave HBC if you do….Thats a major difference.
HBC knows if it doesnt keep PL that once CFC is dead, Ex-AAA+Ex all enemies wont be stopped. PL holds them all in line, and while N3 could easily step in as HBC`s PL, we wouldnt once CFC was dead.
Market PVP best PVP
Fuck test try so hard to be like goons
Well Test was adopted you know, then removed….
So, is it just me or has the whole "have moon: win game" thing gone a bit too far now. I mean seriously. Next thing you know, someone will try to corner the market on promethium or platinum…
I think the whole NOTEC thing is a bit behind tbh, unless they realize that CCP will never fucking change moon mining.
Platinum? Please, I'm starting a Veldspar cartel now, everyone will bow to me!
Quckly! Summon Chribba and the Veldfleet!
but everyone knows the cartel to control is exotic dancers… without those how do you motivate the troops?
many a nerd needs to exotic dancers in their ships cos real life women are scary
confirming that i always have dancers in my cargo and did not touch a real woman in a year. i would pay every amount of pixelmoney for my space hookers.
I am starting a Scordite empire…
Make faction ships better their T2 counterparts on the next balance and watch the cartels go *POP*, the Faction War Pilots get stupid rich and more then half of Null enter FW within 3 months.
Won't happen but I would love to see the scramble it would cause. I would get rich on popcorn futures.
You realize FW players already had there chance to get filthy rich?
T2 are a lot weaker now that T1 is getting rebalanced. Look at cruisers. Also since there are`nt T2 BS`s only faction applies…Napocs, Fleet Tempests etc are all super popular.
If you really think about it T2 ships only dominate the Cruiser market in which T3`s are better.
Well a shit ton of modules as well
I dont know what you meant. But if you mean T2 modules are better than they are exactly right.
Its been stated many times T2 mods are supposed to be the top, while T2 ships are supposed to be more specific, meaning a HAC can do its job [Heavy Assualt] better than its T1 frame, but isnt as good in every role or as good in price.
T2 mods were always to be better, thats why they have high meta levels.
i guess the blackops and marauders arent T2 bs's in your world!
Those are botique ships. Neither ever see engagements or losses in large numbers.
Faction battleships however are welped in 50 – 100+ man fleets daily.
Marauders? Really? Have you ever PVP`d in a Maurader?
There is a reason they have Tractor bonus`s, also they have ridiculously low ECM, they would get perma jammed by 2 ECM modules.
Also blackops are ok, but still pretty broken, so yes as far as frontline BS`s there are no T2. Unless you want to bring 3-4 Cloaky haulers worth of fuel BO ships need help.
What's a t2 ship?
Talk aobut carebears…
Cant they just shoot each other instead of doing market warfare ?
They tried that but Shadoo said no.
We wanted to, but since Shadoo has tasted Tech……. Yeah…
Shadoo did not feel important enough so he and his toy doll Montolio had to come up with this scheme.
fucking moons……….
Just get rid of all moonmining and other passive income right now.
CCP, are you listening?
What i would not give for a Death Star to travel around in blowing up moons with.
I want to hear our dear friend BntyHunter and his "we are not blue to HBC" once more. Just for the clarification sake.
We aren`t blue to HBC, we are just being opportunists.
Thats the honest truth. We are doing the only thing we can to fight our worst enemy that is and will always be GSF.
Just because we want to kill GSF and so does HBC doesnt make us HBC.
Also HBC now realizes it would be ludicrous to try to attack a potential ally who would probably decide the fate of each side…Everyone with a brain knows PL+N3 are the wildcards with HBC vs GSF.
Anyways if we are HBC then SOLAR is CFC.
A- i guess u didn't think about the fact that goon can flood the market with Neo just to screw ur strategy while u can't do the same with tech…
B- PL has tech moons and part of Otech… does this mean N3 / test will reset PL?
I think that it just means that PL will make more ISK..
From now on they will be making a shit ton of ISK both from Tech and Neo instead from just Tech.
I guess that its like a win-win situation for them, then again it depends on how many Neo moons they have and how many they will take from here on.
N3 resetting PL, what….! They are tooo skeered to do somehting like that. Its more of we have a common goal, LOL, what a joke, we are Leet, we are better than you, we beat up a coalition with almost no Supers/ Titans. Enjoy your structure grinding N3. I hope to see your on GF receiving soon. "Given time all things go full circle."
Utter bullshit If you got evenly matched you blobbed and if you got blobbed you dropped supers, you are becoming goons 2.0 .. PL scum
Um this is such a simple concept anyone would think of it.
HBC+PL own as much Tech as CFC owns NEO….So your point means nothing.
PL does have Tec but they also have NEO so WTF would they reset?
I think you havent thought this through.
It`s simple, PL will have best of both worlds. PL will be able to fund a complete T2 ship, where a party who just had access to Tec or Neo wouldnt.
Next everyone knows this will be PVP in the market, that is so obvious IDK why you brought it up.
PL will not be breaking OTECH at all by having its NEO go up. Your comment makes little to no sense.
Okay. Follow the magical hands.
coalition noun
the joining together of different political parties or groups for a particular purpose, usually for a limited time
What you call Neo Curse COALITION, are a bunch of entities that are not blue to each other. In fact, GE and DS probably were, are and will be shooting each other more than they are shooting any other entity in New Eden. They were shooting each other, gypsies and RA (and probably still do, but I don't bother following relateds anymore) inbetween joint ops against solar. Still, you are all happily label them as a coalition.
Thus, having a common goal with Honey Badger COALITION, having joint economic projects with Honey Badger COALITION, having NIP with Honey Badger COALITION makes YOU a gay robot^W^W part of a COALITION. It say so in a fucking dictionary. And judging by the fact that you do call NeoCurseCO a coalition sort of indicates that you didn't bother to redefine the dictionary meaning.
We are becoming the thing we despise.
I cant say I'm down with this….lets make another bunch of alliance leaders ISK rich and see what happens, u gotta be kidding me right??
(from an nc. perspective). The last time we had a massive source of income aka tech we actually spent that money on ship replacements and funding supercapitals/titans for our members which is why we have one of the largest supercapital fleets in the game. I hate passive income but we need something to compete with Goonswarms tech monopoly and who knows maybe ccp will realize how fucked up this whole system is.
I completely agree. Sometimes when you're working on destroying something dirty you have to jump down into the pit yourself to get at it enough to destroy it. You just have to hope you can jump back out of that pit and that the dirt you got on yourself while you were down there will wash out.
I also hate it but I agree.
We spent a shit load of isk arming our SC fleet and it paid off as we can fight groups with vastly larger numbers. We also spent boatloads on the Trib war, seeing as we lost T3`s/Hacs/Rokhs/Nado`s and they lost Drakes.
But without our income to try and keep up with CFC we would be vastly outshipped….Hell they have as many Directors/FC`s as half our numbers….That means if every one of there 155 corp directors/Fc`s get`s a SC we already would be about even with SC`s if we armed 1/2 of our guys.
We need income to fight, but I still hate the way the moon system works, and I would vote for a change in it and SOV anyday
I disagree`d in the past with a lot of Vinces choices but for all his faults he has never ever hoarded ISK and not given reimbursements or helped to buy SC`s. He really hasn`t been a "Rich" type.
Could he take HUUUGE amounts when he wants? Yes, but has he ever been stingy and not shared? Not to my knowledge. He realizes that arming us and keeping us in great equipment makes him that much more powerful and it makes a nice symbiosis.
Now im sorry but most CFC can`t say that. The Avg CFC grunt doesnt see any SC isk at all. And they are vastly more rich.
Is INK leaders like that?
I'm not saying they are like that….I just dont want to put temptation before too many ppl to start RMTing that excess isk.
ISK isnt really an issue in our alliance. The rule is that you are self sufficient. If you cant afford the fleet doctrines, then fk off, cause ur in the wrong alliance. I know it sounds harsh, but thats been INKs phillosophy for ages.
Recently, they've started reimbursing dics and logis, but its always been something we've been proud of the fact we dont need no cartel to rape any1 else fleets or destroy other alliances.
The joke used to be ' IMP-L is recruiting' these days its 'DRF is recruiting' if you have an issue wth isk.
You are a PL Pet, nothing more, nothing less
You never know Solar pets may decide to join in on CFC side. As it taking you N3 so solid crew long enough to accomplish with PL assistance. I for one NEVER thought I say this I detest N3 more than CFC. Rather suck Mittens cock, at least they are not elist faggots.
Solar can't put together a ten man gang any more, let alone their pets.
You don't like N3 because they are good at EvE and you are bad at EvE.
Ever think maybe its your responsibility to play more and do better?
We are Elitists because we love Nexus wing? One of the newest crews in Eve? Or because we fly with anyone who fights super often?
Sorry your arguments aren`t true. Well except you would suck mittens, cock…Hey you said it not me.
Stop bitching about the cartels. Eve is reknown for the fact that is got a great market system. I find it awsomecthat this shit is being done, and that dezpite the fact it will also cost me a bundle as well.
Everytime something happens in EVE youve got a cohort who cry to CCP fir change. If you cant understand that this is a sandbox, GTFO and go back to being elvish cunts in another mmorpg I wont name.
Ppl cried for CCP to hold their hands since before BOB. I just wish they'd stop crying about a system that gives them equal opportunty. Make your own fucking coalition and do something about it yourselves. Stop asking CCP for hands out
Its just unfair that they took BoB`s moon power away and then made Tec more important by nature. Tec is in 6 of 8 major components in T2 building.
I think the moons system is broken even though we are now making ISK off of it. I still think there shouldnt be passive income and we should have to mine Tec/Neo the same exact way [or similar ]that we do roids.
Also like I have said many times, I want there to be a tactic where you can make raids on enemies and steal the moon ore for that day.
PPL cried about BoB and they changed it and people want it changed now and nothing…That is unfair IMO.
I dont want handouts, I want major coalitions [including my own] to stop getting them
and like in real life, oil right now is eery important, and every country wishes they had oil and every raw material, no they should not change it because then you make a world where everyone is equal, can you grow coffee in africa, europe, US, canada, northern russia?
Basically you are complaining…. Eve economics prides itself of mirroring real world situations. Yet people in these situations find a way to adapt with markets and make money off of it. Learn to adapt?
Wooohoo… for once we are in a cartel
go NOTEC go
after this…. all the propaganda thing about who suites eve best is flushed down the toilet
CFC / HBC / N3 are all the same.. none think of eve as eve … but more whats in it for me
The only Null-sec Coalition that holds my respect is Provi Block who thinks about other before their own interest
now…. u can burn all to hell … dont really care
What are you complaining about? This is EVE at it's finest. I bet CCP never thought that resource cartels would spring up in the game like they exist IRL. It's a testament to how good the EVE economic model is, it really shadows the RL economy. Which other game would you we able to do this in? So STFU.
PS. and yeah, the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer
Provi block does the same thing. If it isn't good for them they won't do it.
That alchemy math is so horribly wrong I don't know whether to laugh or cry
Prices are pre announcement profit calculations and will be incorrect now. Price manipulation was bound to happen upon release reality is that neo cartel will be hard to maintain compared to tech due to the alchemy and moon holders involved.
stop blowing up ships and all the cartels are worthless.
this is the gayest shit ever. The kind of people running eve have spent too many years hiding EVE behind excel spedsheets at work, and now the two have bled together.
I dont think so. I voted against, and all my buddies did holding Tech if it was gonna change us.
Part of the reason NCDOT attacked GSF was [yes we knew GSF was coming] we knew we were changing as an Alliance and another 6 months we might not have respected who we had become.
People talk soooo much shit about how we got rolled in Tribute, but we could have sooo easily become CFC`s "PL" and become there "SC/Military" Leaders/Advisors for untold riches and a promise that we wouldnt lose…..We didnt we fought instead of taking it all. I wish people would see that.
omg you guys are so bad at economics, the reason why it surpassed is only SHORT term, as if Short term meant long term, tech right now is Long term priced, might go lower or higher, but it wont go SUPER HIGH unless they hold out on tech, and neo prices will only fall once they reach a peak, have they maybe, but next week will give you your facts
dumbest shit I've ever heard… Neo cartel…. give me a break.
In othernews the mittani and shadoo organise a drag race in there rmt ferraris
/this!
shit game get a life geeks
all passive income needs to go, was a mistake from the start and its getting worst.
Passive income bunch of bullshit get rid of it.