And thus continues another episode in the circular jerking that is the white paper discussion.
Rather than discuss this amongst themselves over the last six months, the CSM decided to leave it be and waste pretty much an entire hour rehashing it all in Iceland again. Apparently, wasting CCP Xhagen’s time is fine and dandy. It’s not like they didn’t have all summer and most of the fall to come to a consensus with each other. No. Better to just argue it out from scratch again.
What did we learn? We learned that Russians seem to understand democracy better than Americans. Irony, here, perhaps.
We learn that the CSM is really adamant that they’d be totally a-okay with CCP Xhagen determining who gets to go to Iceland. No, really, Xhagen, we would be happy if you did it. Truly. We wouldn’t create a single fuss. Honest.
(The CSM suggests that of the seven people who get tickets to Iceland, CCP picks five of those people, and the CSM picks the remaining two.)
Xhagen would be a fool to start picking and choosing. Because if he picks “wrong”, the CSM would be all up in his craw in record time.
Easy enough given past CSMs, where less than the allotted plane tickets actually spent any effort doing whatever it is CSM members are supposed to do. Picking five people, out of the six actually doing work, would be easy. What happens if we get a CSM where ten of the fourteen members are actually contributing? What happens then when Xhagen picks his five? Does anybody believe that the CSM would not turn on CCP at that point, that bad blood would not erupt, accusations and recriminations would not abound?
Hans was really quick to get butthurt during the session itself, when Xhagen put forth an example:
Xhagen: : So let’s say in 2013, CCP decides to work heavily on null-sec for the Winter Expansion. In that scenario, it makes sense to bring over more PvP / null-sec / supercapital experts. For example, why bring over a Faction Warfare guy to a summit where there will be no Faction Warfare work being done?
Hans: Do you think my value here is only because of Faction Warfare?
You don’t get a better illustration, of what exactly would happen the moment Xhagen chooses the “wrong” person, than Hans’ quick and defensive response to the example given.
Sure, it sucks that some CSM members don’t contribute, and possibly get a free trip for doing next to nothing, but by the same token, allowing CSM members to vote people off the island is immediately open to abuse. The CSM could start removing any voice they don’t agree with. What safeguards are implemented to prevent petty politicking? How is member contribution codified?
CCP is not going to put themselves in a position where they can be accused of favouritism. Or politicking in their own favour. They already went through that mess with the T20 scandal, and I doubt they want to revisit that nightmare. These sorts of things can quickly spiral out of control.
I’d say the White Paper is fine as is. It’s really up to the players to vote wisely. Again, this comes down to voter education. The more people that vote informed, the less likely that joke candidates like Darius III get in the door.
You can read more of Poetic Stanziel’s opinions at his Poetic Discourse blog.
Am I supposed to understand what this is about? A bit more background information might be useful.
Figure it out dimwit.
I just simply stopped reading anything posted by Poetic. Much easier that way.
Dont have to read to keep his posts coming, just coming here to make this comment gives a blogger what he needs to survive. The all important view count is how bloggers survive. Even hating on a blogger keeps him alive just as well as loving one does. Page views sell Ads. No page views = bad for sites.
I still put forth voters should have a choice of a +1 vote or a -1 vote
Perhaps what CCP needs is not so much the CSM in this case, but a small number of carefully selected "domain experts" from the player base. That way they don't have to treat the CSM equally.
CSM is nothing but nullsec lobbyists who bitch and moan and try to get thigns changed to suit their own alliance agenda.
Scrap it.
CCP can learn everything it needs to know about how players feel by reading the fucking forums.
Yup, like "EVE is dying" and "Nerf <insert EVERYTHING here>"
Do you actually visit the forums? "CCP can learn everything it needs to know about how players feel by reading the fucking forums." The majority of players avoid the forums like the black plague because of the plethora of trolls or people like you who pretty much just go on there to basically tell CCP they're all idiots, that they're ideas suck, whatever it is they're changing sucks, or whatever else negative opinion they have. Probably only 10% of the comments are either positive or constructive.
And CSM is voted by all those players. I'll even be so bold to say majority of the voters are likely comprised of the people who do participate on the forums.
that was fun to read
why does any of the CSM has to go to iceland? there´s skype! its free! everyone of the CSM can take part and if you can play eve with over9000 clients at the same time, you can also make a video conference with more than one person
problem solved!
you are welcome!
I used to follow Poetic's blog with gusto, because of the different and wide-ranging topics he chooses to blog about. Lately however, I find his blogs to be somewhat sensationalist and really mostly irrelevant. This is one such example. Perhaps it's EN24's fault for publishing anything the guy writes, but Poetic attempting to fabricate an evil Nullsec consipiracy intent on silencing the voices of (reasonable) non-Nullsec CSM members with help of CCP themselves is just too much.
did you really understand what he wrote at all?
he said nothing of the sort. you are seeing conspiracies where none exist
Somebody has their conspiracy hat on too tight.
"…just too much."
I tell you what. I'll clutch my pearls while you launch your pamplet and t-shirt campain?
Srsly tho, you do know where you are on the internet right now right?
I remember when we were all so gleeful at the downfall of he who shall not be named ( myself included ) laugh, laugh, funny, funny but now that I look back maybe…………
Who's "we"? Speak for yourself.
Its possible to wank yourself off without writing 1000 words about it Titus…you should try.
Crying, ffs do you not hear yourself? Do you not get tired of just posting negative 'listen to me' articles. Ffs
This is the issue with CSM, people are chosen because they represent one group or another. A CSM member should be qualified in every aspect of the game to some degree or another. Not saying have characters in all parts, but atleast some sort of first hand or indepth second hand experience.
"Hans: Do you think my value here is only because of Faction Warfare?"
If that is what you were voted in to voice. Then yes. ALL YOU ARE MEANT TO DO IS FW.
If you are elected to represent. Then you represent. Not run pet projects and ideas not related to why you were elected. Unless you think that being elected somewhere is being given a crown and a letter saying you can do everything you want to.