This could be an elaborate troll. I don’t think so, though. You can decide. I’ll talk about why I don’t think it’s a troll as I go forward with this strange little tale.
Tonight, Placid09 contacted me in-game. I’m including the contents of that conversation first, before the pastebin he gave me. The pastebin is dated early December. It’s one of the reasons why I don’t believe this to be a troll. Placid09 had contacted me previously to talk, back on December 29 2012, but I was busy at the time, and he was preparing to do his podcast. That, and Dani hadn’t gone a little kookoo concerning me until after I posted my Why I Don’t Listen to Podcasts post. There’s no reason to concoct some elaborate troll, because I wasn’t on Arydanika’s shitlist on December 29 2012, which is when I would have received all this information, had I not been busy.
Aridanika [Dani] has set-up a Skype channel where “all” podcasters can get together to chat. She’s been inviting (or trying to invite) CCP devs to take part in their discussions. That’s basically the state of things in which the drama takes place.
Before we get to the chat logs, if any CCP employees are reading this, I would like to state strongly that any mini-community that CCP gets involved with, that mini-community should be inclusive to all members that it purports to represent. The mini-community organizer should not be excluding people based on his/her pride and prejudices (I’m getting all Jane Austen up in here.) If it’s a podcast community, then all podcast hosts and creators should be included. The group should not be a reflection of one single person, especially where that person seeks power and influence with CCP. And especially where that person seeks a CSM seat in 2013. The perception of favouritism is a powerful one, and CCP should be especially mindful of it. Bear all of this in mind if you continue reading.
(It is still completely at CCP’s discretion concerning what podcasts they wish to appear on. This is not the issue. Nor do I debate CCP’s choice of venue for their employees.)
I’ll first let my conversation with Placid09 speak for itself, and then I’ll add some commentary before I post the pastebin of Placid09′s conversation to Dani about this group she’s organizing.
Channel ID: -36184734
Channel Name: Private Chat (Placid09)
Listener: Poetic Stanziel
Session started: 2013.01.04 01:36:56
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:07 ] Poetic Stanziel > o/
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:13 ] Placid09 > o/
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:26 ] Placid09 > sorry to stalk
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:35 ] Placid09 > been meaning to chat with you for quite awhile though
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:39 ] Poetic Stanziel > K.
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:41 ] Placid09 > are you free for a bit?
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:47 ] Placid09 > if not, can wait
[ 2013.01.04 01:37:57 ] Poetic Stanziel > Sure. We’re just plexing Dal.
[ 2013.01.04 01:40:05 ] Placid09 > alright, let me find the pastebin quick, I actually think I’m going to have to re-bin it
[ 2013.01.04 01:40:48 ] Poetic Stanziel > Is this concerning my Test vs. Goon post?
[ 2013.01.04 01:41:43 ] Placid09 > no no
[ 2013.01.04 01:41:44 ] Placid09 > not at all
[ 2013.01.04 01:41:54 ] Placid09 > I thought that was great actually
[ 2013.01.04 01:41:55 ] Placid09 > :3
[ 2013.01.04 01:42:02 ] Placid09 > no, this concerns Dani
[ 2013.01.04 01:42:06 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah.
[ 2013.01.04 01:42:23 ] Poetic Stanziel > I’m getting the impression she’s extremely thin-skinned.
[ 2013.01.04 01:42:56 ] Placid09 > I’m going to send you a link to a pastebin, I’ve kept this ‘mostly’ private, only sending it to a few other podcasters and the rest of the producers of Podside
[ 2013.01.04 01:43:11 ] Placid09 > she created that skype channel because of you of course
[ 2013.01.04 01:43:16 ] Placid09 > this pastebin is in relation to that
[ 2013.01.04 01:43:20 ] Placid09 > it is rather long
[ 2013.01.04 01:43:27 ] Placid09 > http://pastebin.com/KjLsTSRN
[ 2013.01.04 01:44:00 ] Placid09 > how you choose to use this is up to you, but from what I can tell she’s going to make a CSM run
[ 2013.01.04 01:44:52 ] Poetic Stanziel > If I were to use this … want me to remove your name? She’ll obviously know who you are … but with respect to keeping you “private” to most others?
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:02 ] Placid09 > no
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:04 ] Placid09 > I give no shits
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:11 ] Placid09 > fuck that c**t
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:18 ] Placid09 > once you read the whole thing you will understand
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:25 ] Poetic Stanziel > K.
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:43 ] Placid09 > I’ve really really tried to be nice and helpful, but she is just out for herself
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:50 ] Placid09 > not out for the community like she says
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:51 ] Poetic Stanziel > So what is this room?
[ 2013.01.04 01:45:54 ] Poetic Stanziel > A Skype channel for podcast people?
[ 2013.01.04 01:46:19 ] Placid09 > the skype room is filled with all of the podcasters and she invited a bunch of CCP employees
[ 2013.01.04 01:46:46 ] Placid09 > because you gave her some gruf for having too much CCP pull
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:04 ] Placid09 > so she wanted to seem ‘impartial’ and give everyone equal access
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:06 ] Poetic Stanziel > I’ve never commented on her before in my life.
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:37 ] Poetic Stanziel > My first mention of her was when I said I preferred VandV when Seismic Stan was a co-host.
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:37 ] Placid09 > could have sworn she said she created the room because of you…
[ 2013.01.04 01:47:59 ] Poetic Stanziel > What she says and what is reality are two different things.
[ 2013.01.04 01:48:10 ] Placid09 > V&V with another host is usually better, there are reasons she has issues working with other people
[ 2013.01.04 01:48:31 ] Poetic Stanziel > I heard some rumours after Stan left.
[ 2013.01.04 01:48:33 ] Placid09 > back in 5 minutes
[ 2013.01.04 01:49:26 ] Poetic Stanziel > I try not to make comments on female EVE players (other than Susan Black), because they generally have a legion of White Knighters. Boobs bring out the white knight in people.
… I read the pastebin Placid09 linked …
[ 2013.01.04 01:54:43 ] Poetic Stanziel > Fuck. Adolf Danika. CCP is going to get involved with this person? Mistake.
[ 2013.01.04 01:55:17 ] Poetic Stanziel > I wonder what would have happened if you said you don’t listen to VandV and never intend too. You probably would have been booted.
[ 2013.01.04 01:57:56 ] Placid09 > sorry, was craving nicotine
[ 2013.01.04 01:58:39 ] Poetic Stanziel > That’s fine. I typed stuff until you got back.
[ 2013.01.04 01:58:45 ] Placid09 > yeah I saw
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:05 ] Placid09 > she plays nice nice to the people that matter
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:21 ] Placid09 > that’s why I wanted to get this out
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:28 ] Poetic Stanziel > Apparently looks that way.
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:35 ] Placid09 > and for sure is not the first person she has acted like this to
[ 2013.01.04 01:59:52 ] Poetic Stanziel > Who ever can help get her deeper into CCP, whoever can help her schmooze.
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:01 ] Placid09 > pretty much
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:14 ] Placid09 > if you want to run with it, go for it
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:24 ] Placid09 > I don’t like doing the ‘podcast pvp’ on my show
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:45 ] Placid09 > but like I said, I really feel those logs should get out if she makes an election run
[ 2013.01.04 02:00:45 ] Poetic Stanziel > I probably will. Tonight. This is crazy and she doesn’t deserve CCP accomodating her, what with her attitude.
[ 2013.01.04 02:01:35 ] Poetic Stanziel > After I post this … you conversing with her ever again will be nil.
[ 2013.01.04 02:01:53 ] Placid09 > I’m thinking I’ll probably be booted from the room tbh
[ 2013.01.04 02:02:09 ] Placid09 > a lot of what she said floored me
[ 2013.01.04 02:02:15 ] Placid09 > her ‘work’
[ 2013.01.04 02:02:22 ] Placid09 > all that she ‘manages’
[ 2013.01.04 02:02:45 ] Placid09 > there is an google spreadsheet linked in the header of the room that everyone just fills out there info when they join
[ 2013.01.04 02:03:11 ] Placid09 > what made her get all mad was I invited the rest of the Podside producers into the room without notifying her first
[ 2013.01.04 02:04:05 ] Placid09 > do you have any questions?
[ 2013.01.04 02:04:16 ] Placid09 > as far as that log at least?
[ 2013.01.04 02:04:59 ] Poetic Stanziel > No. It seems clear. I figured out that you’d invited your other hosts and she got pissed off.
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:18 ] Placid09 > also that I came up with the idea of bringing in the CSM
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:28 ] Placid09 > rather then her
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:38 ] Placid09 > but because it wasn’t ‘her’ idea, she was pretty upset about it
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:41 ] Poetic Stanziel > CSM is a waste of time. And the CSM already talk with the devs.
[ 2013.01.04 02:05:52 ] Poetic Stanziel > Why would they need another “dev” channel?
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:11 ] Placid09 > it was more so other podcasters had easier access to them
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:20 ] Placid09 > because I have them on Podside quite a bit
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:34 ] Placid09 > and I thought it would be a good idea for more people to have them on, better community exposure
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:39 ] Poetic Stanziel > Heh. Those guys get too much podcast coverage for the little that they say.
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:55 ] Poetic Stanziel > But we obviously differ on that opinion.
[ 2013.01.04 02:06:58 ] Poetic Stanziel > Which is fine.
[ 2013.01.04 02:07:07 ] Placid09 > yeah, we have very different views on the CSM
[ 2013.01.04 02:07:19 ] Placid09 > opinions are opinions afterall
[ 2013.01.04 02:07:27 ] Poetic Stanziel > That’s cool.
[ 2013.01.04 02:08:08 ] Poetic Stanziel > Thanks for the pastebin tho. It’s good juicy drama.
[ 2013.01.04 02:08:21 ] Poetic Stanziel > She’ll go ballistic when it’s made public. The damage control will be epic.
[ 2013.01.04 02:08:50 ] Placid09 > pretty much
[ 2013.01.04 02:10:25 ] Poetic Stanziel > One you’re kicked from her group … start a podcast group of your own and be all-inclusive. After I post this … I’ll help get the word out on the GOOD WORK you and Podside are doing.
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:04 ] Placid09 > well Chyph3r and I started a seperate podcast site that lists ALL of the eve podcasts
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:13 ] Placid09 > not just the ones she likes
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:24 ] Placid09 > because she can’t be bothered to do a little fucking work for the community
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:31 ] Poetic Stanziel > You have a link? Because I am reviewing podcasts and need a complete list.
[ 2013.01.04 02:11:36 ] Placid09 > evepodcasts.com
[ 2013.01.04 02:13:59 ] Poetic Stanziel > Anyhow … thanks for the heads up on this. It’s good stuff. And it annoys me when people like Dani try to grab power at the expense of those around her.
Now to the pastebin. I’m going to add commentary to it as you read. It’s eye-opening and shocking in a number of places. So that you know what Dani’s issues are here. First, Placid09 brought his four other co-hosts into the Skype podcast channel. He didn’t ask Dani’s permission first, because he assumed all hosts were welcome. Second, he put forward the idea that the CSM be brought into the channel, again, without running the idea by Dani first.
[12/2/2012 8:41:25 AM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Podside has 5 hosts?
[12/2/2012 8:43:43 AM | Removed 2:27:19 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: This message has been removed.
[12/2/2012 8:43:53 AM | Edited 10:50:16 AM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: In the future please do not add any one without speaking to me first. It is our room however I am the one managing it and putting in 100% of the work that goes in to it.
[12/2/2012 8:44:05 AM | Edited 10:49:15 AM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I really appreciate your understand and respect in this project. I know it can be hard to be under the leadership of someone else.
[12/2/2012 8:44:11 AM | Removed 2:27:10 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: This message has been removed.
[12/2/2012 4:14:44 PM] Placid09 EVE: you there?
[12/2/2012 4:26:08 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I am for a bit
[12/2/2012 4:28:11 PM] Placid09 EVE: just wanted to talk to you a bit
[12/2/2012 4:28:23 PM] Placid09 EVE: didn’t mean to go over your head, no disrespect was meant of course
[12/2/2012 4:28:52 PM] Placid09 EVE: we had our saturday show last night and during the aftershow I was talking to them about the room and what it was about and added them, was going to tell you today
[12/2/2012 4:29:04 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: They are all hosts?
[12/2/2012 4:29:12 PM | Edited 4:29:18 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Full time on every episode hosts.
[12/2/2012 4:29:31 PM] Placid09 EVE: if you had ever listened to our show you would know we have that many shows, and tbh I’m rather suprised you hadn’t heard of Podside before
[12/2/2012 4:30:12 PM] Placid09 EVE: Urz and Min are there every show, Cyph3r is there as much as possible, and now that he’s layed off will be on a lot more
[12/2/2012 4:31:08 PM] Placid09 EVE: we actually have another that is on every Tuesday as well, but I didn’t talk to him, so didn’t add him
[12/2/2012 4:31:11 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Do you listen to Voices?
[12/2/2012 4:31:17 PM] Placid09 EVE: I do, every episode
[12/2/2012 4:31:24 PM | Edited 4:31:34 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I know Chy doesn’t nor Pukin.
I’m not sure why it matters whether anybody from the Podside podcast listens to Voices from the Void. Is this a requirement for entry into the podcast Skype club? It makes sense that she’d want her colleagues to be familiar with her work. That I no longer listen to her podcast is what set her off with me; my mentioning in a footnote that I used to greatly enjoy her podcast back when she and Seismic Stan were hosting, but when he left I felt the quality dropped off and I stopped listening.
[12/2/2012 4:31:39 PM] Placid09 EVE: I subscribe to a LOT of eve podcasts
[12/2/2012 4:31:42 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And no I don’t listen to Podside.
[12/2/2012 4:31:48 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And probably never will.
It doesn’t go both ways. It’s downright rude the way she expresses it, though.
[12/2/2012 4:31:52 PM] Placid09 EVE: why is that?
[12/2/2012 4:31:57 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: However, It important that this room stay managable.
[12/2/2012 4:32:18 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: The more “random personalities” that CCP is unaware of are in the room, the less likely they will join.
Random personalities, such as those personalities that host podcasts, which is supposed to be what the Skype channel is for. Or even random personalities that have already had devs on their podcasts. Arydanika, in this case, gets to decide who CCP will talk with and who they will not. She’s going to control the conversation. If she doesn’t like you, you’re out. Classy. Democratic, too.
[12/2/2012 4:32:30 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: They were suppose to have been in here a few days after open.
[12/2/2012 4:32:58 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Devs are really skittish due to NDAs, possibly telling something they shouldn’t, rumors spreading, etc.
[12/2/2012 4:33:05 PM] Placid09 EVE: random personalities, despite the fact that we’ve had CCP on as well on Podside…
[12/2/2012 4:33:18 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: The room growing too quickly can be detremental to what it’s trying to accompish.
What is the Skype channel trying to accomplish? Other than to give Arydanika a pipeline into CCP, thus more exposure for herself, which will make her CSM8 campaign all that much easier. Again, CCP should be distancing itself from this sort of self-serving gerrymandering; she’s trying to cherry-pick the podcast group that will be of most benefit to her.
[12/2/2012 4:33:25 PM] Placid09 EVE: fact is Devs shouldn’t be saying anything that is NDA, but it doesn’t mean they can’t join in and chat with us
[12/2/2012 4:33:40 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: If you don’t like the way I run things you are more than welcome to leave
[12/2/2012 4:33:42 PM] Placid09 EVE: that was what the group was about as far as I knew
[12/2/2012 4:33:43 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: However,
[12/2/2012 4:33:47 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You were invited.
[12/2/2012 4:33:51 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You are a guest.
[12/2/2012 4:33:54 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Remember that
[12/2/2012 4:33:56 PM] Placid09 EVE: wow
[12/2/2012 4:34:24 PM] Placid09 EVE: ok, I’m not trying to get into ‘podcast pvp’ with you, I’m just discussing this
[12/2/2012 4:34:52 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You don’t have to agree with me. I don’t expect you to, but the room has to remain in control and I’m not going to let you or anyone else detail what the room is trying to accomplish.
[12/2/2012 4:34:59 PM] Placid09 EVE: do I have permission to speak frank without having to worry about you booting myself or the rest of the cast?
[12/2/2012 4:35:13 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I just want to make sure we are on the same page and very clear about the future of this project.
[12/2/2012 4:35:30 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Are we clear?
To be clear, the project is Get Dani Elected to CSM8. This part of the discussion seems to be about bringing the CSM into the project. Of course, since Dani wants to be on CSM8, bringing her competitors into the channel would very much defeat the purpose of the channel.
[12/2/2012 4:35:44 PM] Placid09 EVE: can I ask you a question Dani without you taking it the wrong way
[12/2/2012 4:35:52 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: After you answer if we are clear or not.
[12/2/2012 4:35:57 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You can ask me whatever you like.
[12/2/2012 4:36:00 PM] Placid09 EVE: I’m trying to work with you, I think it’s a great project, I think I’ve shown that
[12/2/2012 4:36:21 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: But I need to make sure there are no miscommunications.
[12/2/2012 4:36:26 PM] Placid09 EVE: I am clear, this is your project afterall, and I will do whatever I can to help you make it better
[12/2/2012 4:36:39 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Are we clear?
[12/2/2012 4:36:42 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Yes or no?
[12/2/2012 4:36:51 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: That’s all I need right now.
[12/2/2012 4:36:56 PM] Placid09 EVE: if that even goes to the point of removing the podside staff because of whatever miscomunication you believe there is
[12/2/2012 4:37:04 PM] Placid09 EVE: but I still have questions for you
[12/2/2012 4:37:55 PM] Placid09 EVE: maybe we should talk about this at a later time, you seem upset about something, I mean no ill will to this room or to the project
[12/2/2012 4:38:07 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I’m not upset about anything.
[12/2/2012 4:38:15 PM] Placid09 EVE: if you want me to back off on bringing ideas or even mentioning new people that should join I will
[12/2/2012 4:38:16 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I’m actually doing laundry waiting for a yes or no response.
[12/2/2012 4:38:25 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: If you need to wait to let me know yes or no, I’m happy do that.
[12/2/2012 4:38:30 PM] Placid09 EVE: yes or no on what?
[12/2/2012 4:38:58 PM] Placid09 EVE: that if I don’t like the way you run things I can leave?
[12/2/2012 4:39:05 PM] Placid09 EVE: yes I’m clear on that
[12/2/2012 4:39:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: that being said, I would rather work WITH you for the betterment of it
[12/2/2012 4:39:28 PM] Placid09 EVE: as I have stated many times now
[12/2/2012 4:39:31 PM | Edited 4:39:38 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: On “Are we clear?” I’d like a simply yes or no as I have started several times already.
[12/2/2012 4:39:53 PM] Placid09 EVE: are we clear on what Dani, I’m not going to give you a yes on are we clear when there is no clear on what
[12/2/2012 4:40:06 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Alright. Well how about this?
[12/2/2012 4:40:26 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You can review the logs and when you’re ready to answer my question we can certainly continue.
[12/2/2012 4:40:47 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I”ll be around until 10pm CST off an no. I have a Tourney to prep for, so once that’s starts I’ll be off grid until it’s over.
[12/2/2012 4:40:53 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I look forawrd to speaking with you again Placid.
[12/2/2012 4:41:00 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I hope we can settle this soon.
[12/2/2012 4:41:07 PM] Placid09 EVE: that we are on the same page for the future of this project, so what is the future of this project
[12/2/2012 4:42:15 PM] Placid09 EVE: tbh Dani this feels like some middle management miscommunication when it doesn’t have to be, I don’t know why you are all defensive about it, if I over stepped my bounds just tell me.
[12/2/2012 4:42:46 PM] Placid09 EVE: does this go back to the NAON show where you think Pukin is a rascist?
[12/2/2012 4:43:39 PM] Placid09 EVE: these are the things I wonder, if you’ve been able to move on past misunderstandings
[12/2/2012 4:44:57 PM] Placid09 EVE: you run the EVE Pod pack, which should be about helping the community, I suppose it’s possible you didn’t know about Podside, though I highly doubt it, and the fact is we’ve never talked bad about Voices, I still greatly enjoy your show, and I think whatever ‘grudge’ still exists is bad for the community as a whole
[12/2/2012 4:46:02 PM] Placid09 EVE: we don’t and shouldn’t just be doing these podcasts for fun, especially the high profile ones we run, you have CCP and other high profile guests on a lot, same as Podside, and at that point it should become about helping the community
[12/2/2012 4:47:01 PM] Placid09 EVE: there, I’ve asked my questions and said my piece, once you let me know what the future of this project is, let me know and I’ll agree to be on the same page, because then I’ll know
[12/2/2012 4:47:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: and if you want help with it, I’m here to help, no ill will
[12/2/2012 4:48:51 PM] Placid09 EVE: and if you feel that some people should be removed from the podside cast from the room, let me know
[12/2/2012 4:50:07 PM] Placid09 EVE: also, just to warn you, Mean Harri appears to be starting a podcast with a m8 of his, but I know there is a 3 episode limit, figured I would tell you, also Zion Chad, who is Podsides Dust representive will be starting a Dust podcast after christmas when he gets a new computer
[12/2/2012 5:07:58 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I see a lot of textr, but I still yes or no. As soon as I get that answer we can crtainly continue.
[12/2/2012 5:08:45 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: It’s clear that your response to my questions doesn’t mean much to do, but it means something to me.
[12/2/2012 5:08:46 PM] Placid09 EVE: what is the future of the project
[12/2/2012 5:08:54 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: It’s continuation.
[12/2/2012 5:09:18 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Anything other than that I am keeping on a need to know basis.
Are we clear on the future of the project? Except, I’m not going to explain the future of the project, because SPAIS!!
[12/2/2012 5:09:44 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And specially it’s continuation with those currently present in the room and those who may join later.
[12/2/2012 5:09:53 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: So yes
[12/2/2012 5:09:55 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: or no.
[12/2/2012 5:10:19 PM] Placid09 EVE: so you won’t even show me the respect of reading what I typed?
[12/2/2012 5:10:35 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You won’t give me the respect of answering a question I typed multiplue tims before that.
You won’t actually give him the respect of telling him what the question is.
[12/2/2012 5:10:48 PM] Placid09 EVE: because the question doesn’t give any context Dani
[12/2/2012 5:11:16 PM] Placid09 EVE: I’ve already said this is your project, that you lead it, that I don’t want to compromise it
[12/2/2012 5:11:20 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: It does. It has a lot of context. Andright now your reaction and interaction is telling a lot more than a yes or no could. Which is why I asked it.
[12/2/2012 5:11:40 PM] Placid09 EVE: so if I say yes will you read what I typed?
[12/2/2012 5:11:58 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You continue to ask me questions when you haven’t answered mine.
This is like dealing with a three year-old.
[12/2/2012 5:12:03 PM] Placid09 EVE: yes
[12/2/2012 5:12:07 PM] Placid09 EVE: yes I agree Dani
[12/2/2012 5:12:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: I agree to whatever terms and conditions you have for your skype channel
[12/2/2012 5:12:22 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You do rellize how that does not fit in to what you’re saying.
[12/2/2012 5:12:39 PM] Placid09 EVE: I want the best for the community
[12/2/2012 5:12:43 PM] Placid09 EVE: that’s all
[12/2/2012 5:12:48 PM] Placid09 EVE: I never meant to start a fight
[12/2/2012 5:13:32 PM] Placid09 EVE: as I stated earlier, I’m sorry I brought people in without asking you first, if you listened to Podside or gave us the time of day you would know we do have many regular hosts
[12/2/2012 5:13:37 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Now for you benefit, I will let you know I read your statments prior to even reasking. That is the level of coutresy I gave you without your relizing it though you continued to be discourteous and disrespectful.
Huh? He was asking for clarification, which you refused to give.
[12/2/2012 5:13:39 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Know that.
[12/2/2012 5:14:12 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: But that does not mean I will ever allow you to push me to your will as you tried. This is not a dynamic I will tolerate.
[12/2/2012 5:14:25 PM] Placid09 EVE: how did I try to push you to my will?
[12/2/2012 5:14:42 PM] Placid09 EVE: I asked a few questions, I’ve stated I want the best, and I’ve stated this is your project and if you want us to leave we will
[12/2/2012 5:15:05 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Now whatever your pre-dispositions maybe betwen Pukin and I, that’s between us. It does not consern you nor Podside. That’s how I deal with it and that’s how I would hope people on S8 are dealing with it.
[12/2/2012 5:15:37 PM] Placid09 EVE: the thing is that if you are still upset with Pukin and take it out on Podside, it does effect me
[12/2/2012 5:16:12 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: As for not talking about Podside on voices. I don’t talk about a lot of podcasts and really that’s not something that’s wise to measure. Starfleet Comms became really entrenched with that and it turned out badly for them.
[12/2/2012 5:16:53 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Well you need to check what ever “the thing” is because it’s probably broken. I know that can see like that easy answer but really I just don’t care that much.
[12/2/2012 5:16:58 PM] Placid09 EVE: I’m not asking for you to talk about podside, I’m asking for you as the eve pod pack leader to be willing to entertain ALL podcasts
[12/2/2012 5:17:28 PM] Placid09 EVE: as in, be willing to listen to them personally
[12/2/2012 5:17:33 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Pukin is a dude over the internet I met once and will never meet again. Though Eve and other games I’ve met tons of people. He, you, just one of thousands and more if I attend Fanfest.
[12/2/2012 5:17:35 PM] Placid09 EVE: not having to promote them on your cast
[12/2/2012 5:17:41 PM] Placid09 EVE: just listen to them, check them out, see if you like them
[12/2/2012 5:18:01 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: No, I don’t have to listen to all of the podcasts.
[12/2/2012 5:18:09 PM | Edited 5:18:19 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I provide a metafeed not a review service.
[12/2/2012 5:18:27 PM] Placid09 EVE: but as the pod pack host, you would think you would at least give them a listen
[12/2/2012 5:18:54 PM] Placid09 EVE: it seems ass backwards to have that title and ignore podcasts
Bear in mind, that Dani has a webpage devoted to EVE Online podcasts, but she only lists podcasts she deems worthy. Placid09, on the other hand, has a similar page and includes all podcasts without prejudice.
[12/2/2012 5:19:08 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You would think a lot of things. A lot of things are wrong.
[12/2/2012 5:19:15 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I have a personal life, family, friends, etc.
[12/2/2012 5:19:30 PM] Placid09 EVE: you listen to podcasts at work I thought Dani?
[12/2/2012 5:19:34 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Contray to popular belief I do things outside of Eve like work, go to movies, have interests.
[12/2/2012 5:20:01 PM] Placid09 EVE: and beyond that, I’m not saying you need to listen to EVERY episode, but your refusing to listen to ANY episode
[12/2/2012 5:20:09 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I do. I like to Keith and the Girl, Aiesha Tyler’s podcast, a couple of other gaming podcasts.
[12/2/2012 5:20:38 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: My life and what I enjoy does not center around eve by any means. I’m not obligated to anything. I do something nice. That’s it.
[12/2/2012 5:21:17 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I do something nice. Not something that obligates me. Not something that requires additional activites. I do something out of the kindness of my heart because someone else let it fall to peices.
I’m not even sure if I should comment on her kindness of my heart statement. This entire endeavour is so self-serving. Kindness and hearts don’t even enter the equation.
[12/2/2012 5:21:28 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I’ve already done more than enough.
[12/2/2012 5:21:45 PM] Placid09 EVE: then we’ll have to agree to disagree
[12/2/2012 5:22:07 PM] Placid09 EVE: either way, that was just a few questions I had and you’ve answered them
[12/2/2012 5:22:40 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Then we have.
[12/2/2012 5:22:53 PM] Placid09 EVE: as far as the skype group, I won’t add anyone, it’s your group, I don’t know neccesarily what kind of ‘management’ it requires other then the google doc, but as I said, if you need help, I’m still more then willing to
[12/2/2012 5:23:17 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: If you want to dedicate all of your time to people who question you, give you a hard time and are absolutly ungrateful; more power to you.
[12/2/2012 5:23:28 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I pray you don’t run in to the same people/obstacles I did.
[12/2/2012 5:23:46 PM] Placid09 EVE: being as I’m assuming your directing that comment at me, how have I been ungrateful?
[12/2/2012 5:24:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: and what we’ve found on Podside is delegating tasks to more then one person helps take the burden off
[12/2/2012 5:24:31 PM] Placid09 EVE: so you can enjoy that life and family more
[12/2/2012 5:24:48 PM] Placid09 EVE: and when stuff comes up in RL there are people to take the load without the community suffering
[12/2/2012 5:24:56 PM] Placid09 EVE: just my two cents
[12/2/2012 5:25:55 PM] Placid09 EVE: I dunno, maybe you were a bit shocked with how many active podcasts and podcasters there were
[12/2/2012 5:26:10 PM] Placid09 EVE: there’s actually an Australian one that’s quite good too
[12/2/2012 5:29:45 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: The way you’ve behaved in the room the entire time.
[12/2/2012 5:30:07 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You’ve been increadiable displeasureable to interact with and are the one person that makes me regret doing this.
[12/2/2012 5:30:19 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: No one else. Just you.
Because he didn’t want to answer a blind question with a yes or no, he’s displeasurable.
[12/2/2012 5:30:23 PM] Placid09 EVE: excuse me? how so?
[12/2/2012 5:30:24 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: ot even Pukin who I apparently hate.
[12/2/2012 5:30:56 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You always have something negative to say. You always want to instigate with me. The let’s bring in the CSm thing was just combative the way you approched me.
[12/2/2012 5:31:19 PM] Placid09 EVE: wat… I was not trying to be combative at all…
[12/2/2012 5:31:27 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: You’ve just been displeasureable. So as of the moment if I have any resentment for Podside it’s your doing.
It’s always someone else’s fault in these situations. Blame is always transferable.
[12/2/2012 5:31:33 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And that may be the case but you have been
[12/2/2012 5:31:45 PM] Placid09 EVE: we happen to have the CSM’s on quite a bit and I thought it would be a good idea if podcasters had easier access
[12/2/2012 5:31:48 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Like why in the hell did we need to take 30 minutes for a yes or no answer. That’s just being an ass and posturing
[12/2/2012 5:31:53 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: It’s raelly is.
[12/2/2012 5:32:00 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: And I’m sad.
[12/2/2012 5:32:07 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I also don’t want to deal with this shit.
[12/2/2012 5:32:31 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I want to do run so I am. Cut the shit please. I don’t want to be your enemy. It’s way to much effort and I don’t care to use my effor for that.
[12/2/2012 5:32:46 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: Just be chill, don’t over step and just… enjoy.
[12/2/2012 5:33:21 PM] Placid09 EVE: wow, you think I’m like trying to bullshit and be your enemy but this entire time I’ve been apprective and have loved the room and have tried to help and think of new ways to make it better
[12/2/2012 5:33:28 PM] Placid09 EVE: and think of other podcasters
[12/2/2012 5:33:47 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: The way you act does not that say that even if it is your intention or desire.
[12/2/2012 5:34:06 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: So just keep that in mind in the future and we’ll be fine.
[12/2/2012 5:34:12 PM] Dani (Arydanika) Eden: I’m otu though. Things to do.
[12/2/2012 5:34:22 PM] Placid09 EVE: and the reason I took so long to say yes Dani is because I just didn’t understand the question, my personality is to not give a yes or no answer an answer unless I actually understand the question
Feel free to bag on me for posting this. It needs to be out there. And CCP needs to be aware of the exclusive community they are getting involved with.
You can read more of Poetic Stanziel’s opinions at his Poetic Discourse blog.