A few weeks ago we got word of a rumored botting scheme going on within the Honey Badger Coalition. Such botting schemes are hard to detect (else CCP Games would ideally crush them at first sight). So, whenever one these botting schemes are revealed, it usually comes out from one of the involved parties getting the short end of the stick.
The story started unraveling from the most unsuspecting ways, with an ex-member of The Jagged Alliance which as you might remember was expelled from the HBC citing “cultural reasons”. Shortly after this happened, our “old friend” Horus (a.k.a Krall Amarr a.k.a A PUPPETMASTER) approached EN24. Some of you might not recall who Horus is, but he was and still is one of the biggest illegal botters in game. Yet, he seems to be mostly inmune to CCP GAMES’s anti-botting sweeps and a royal pain in the ass to CCP Sreegs team as he keeps resurging time after time.
In the conversation that ensued, Horus claimed that TEST Alliance leader Montolio had promised space to The Jagged Alliance, but despite complying with required fleet numbers and activity, the promise never materialised. During his tenure as director in The Jagged Alliance was boosted from 400 to +2,000 members in a short space of time and eventually went for Impass; apparently without Montolio’s consent (and according to Horus).
This, combined with several rejected demands (such as hundreds of billions of ISK, giving him [Montolio] roles in The Jagged Alliance’s holding corp, or API keys for their executors) eventually meant The Jagged Alliance was forced to drop their sov in Querious and leave the HBC:
[11/17/12 4:12:26 PM] Horus: you here?
[11/17/12 4:12:37 PM] riverini: yes
[11/17/12 4:12:42 PM] Horus: story is that he know about me being in charge of The Jagged Alliance, since we joined he always promised us shit that never happened, i.e. we where last to get space
[11/17/12 4:13:11 PM] riverini: “shit” like sov?
[11/17/12 4:13:12 PM] Horus: Yes, so I boosted up The Jagged Alliance to 2k member
[11/17/12 4:13:27 PM] riverini: using the same old methods in Imperial Order?
[11/17/12 4:13:29 PM] Horus: let me tell you full story
[11/17/12 4:13:32 PM] riverini: go ahead…
[11/17/12 4:13:34 PM] Horus: we join HBC, he knows its me [to which] I deny, but he know it was me. He assign us a diplo; Viktor Villiance. He join our ts3 and say bring 50 in fleet. “we give you space in fountain , everywhere you like” – we do that – we bring 60, we go for ask space we have been told. Nothing happens. He [Viktor] talked too much, he not was supposed, fine they assign us another diplo. [This one] is low level so after Thorn get space, we ask for space also, we joined 2 day later and even after 2 months we have nothing.
[11/17/12 4:15:19 PM] Horus: so leetcheese promise us space in querious, [the] li-bao constellation plus another nearby. What happens?
[11/17/12 4:15:39 PM] Horus: during the transfer of that space between us and TEST Raiden and INIT join [the HBC]. Montolio blocks the sov transfer and give that constellation to Raiden. Praticly throwing The Jagged Alliance under the bus after 2,5 months of war on theyr side. I got mad and say to montolio we not wanna other space, we got logs with leetchese that we got promised that one, 100% etc, he first lie leet not was supposed to give us space when he assigned him for that on us, then change things 2-3 times. Eat back words, than menace us to get kicked out.
[11/17/12 4:17:24 PM] Horus: raiden know they where in middle of this problem, (not theyr fault) and mediate for us pretty much. We accept less and worst space
so I work and bring The Jagged Alliance from 400 member to 2k in 3 months with my isk and this numbers shadoo offer us Impass. So we go for Impass. Montolio get mad that we almost not asked his permission and at 7 am of 10 day ago, force me in 1h to transfer back the sov in Querious evict us from hbc, and told us to go take Impass. This cause drama and we lose 50% members. After this he approaches me asking [for] money
The following logs submitted to EN24, show Montolio in full Don Corleone mode, and mentioning funds from botting and getting enough ISK to hit all CFC systems at once, among other niceties.
(07:04:08) Montolio heh
(07:04:30) martyr12: busy day, reinforcing everything
(07:04:45) martyr12: we got 68ft-6 station and u3sq- station
(07:05:48) martyr12: first than see a real income we need to take over impass with the moons, so I cant really have liquid until we remove -a- infrastructure, so you need to tell me how much you looking for
(07:05:56) Montolio then you had an awoxer
(07:06:16) martyr12: yeah, kicked the corp, and gonna pay back the pilot
(07:06:51) martyr12: he joined with 5 alt, all fresh, hard to understand that was an awoxer, 5 char no bad history no low sp I gived all names to fras for the blacklist
(07:07:58) martyr12: we even checked thrue, ridetheclown.com/eveapi/audit.php story is coven hate a corp we got from inverbass so point on infiltrate on us very hard theyr awoxer
(07:13:22) martyr12: have you 2 min in skype?
(07:13:39) Montolio I don’t do voice
(07:14:18) martyr12: we talk once at voice if you remember
(07:15:53) martyr12: I just wanna understand, you hate The Jagged Alliance, becouse The Jagged Alliance, suck, or becouse of me? I am here just for help pathetiq since they got 0 isk, if I am the reason of all problem with hbc, I can leave np, and you can have back The Jagged Alliance in hbc with pathetiq
(07:16:29) martyr12: but since I joined I tryed to help the coalition, azn story, etc, I tryed all for proof you, that I am here not for cause issues
(07:17:14) martyr12: I am the key factor in this ?
(07:21:10) Montolio part of it yes, and yes I remember talking on voice
(07:21:12) Montolio and it did not go well
(07:21:17) Montolio you refused to give me any APIs
(07:21:34) martyr12: I not like being controlled
(07:21:53) martyr12: you do?
(07:22:02) Montolio I control a lot of things
(07:22:22) martyr12: include The Jagged Alliance, so what you have to worry about me?
(07:22:30) martyr12: I just wanna play montolio
(07:22:53) martyr12: I am here for play with pat, not for do strange things, if I wanna do strange things I can join much better alliance
(07:23:31) Montolio It doesn’t work that way
(07:23:59) martyr12: what you afraid I can do ?
(07:24:16) martyr12: The Jagged Alliance pilot joined hbc fleet fight with tests, thats it
(07:24:32) martyr12: I not even talked almost in badger den, fc chan forums
(07:24:51) Montolio It doesn’t matter, you are still around
(07:25:36) martyr12: so again its only my presence the problem?
(07:25:52) martyr12: you have baki yuku and is not a problem,
(07:26:07) martyr12: you have in tribal developer of botter with an entire corp of botters and is not a problem
(07:26:16) martyr12: why I am ? did I ever did anything against test?
(07:27:54) Montolio I have Baki Yaki under control
(07:28:02) Montolio Baki Yuki*
(07:28:04) martyr12: I not understand all this animosity,i praticly made for you the merge tasha-99%
(07:28:15) Montolio He listens to me and is general helpful and restrained
(07:28:23) martyr12: montolio I am en enemy only if you treath me bad
(07:28:30) Montolio The merge was a terrible idea
(07:28:40) martyr12: you like it -.-
(07:28:45) martyr12: on start
(07:29:08) Montolio Yes but it hasn’t gone very well
(07:29:12) Montolio We are reforming TRIBE now
(07:29:23) martyr12: better than what 99% and tasha was
(07:29:29) martyr12: they where pretty useless divided
(07:29:46) Montolio That isn’t really your place to argue
(07:29:55) martyr12: I am not arguing
(07:30:48) martyr12: again you take bad anything I say, seams a sport, and I really not mean anything for piss you off
(07:31:06) Montolio We have different visions
(07:31:25) martyr12: probably, as any human, but we cant simply respect each other vision?
(07:31:59) martyr12: I just wanna The Jagged Alliance to work, for pat, not for me, I am sinking isk here, not making isk, is all transparent holding and all
(07:32:11) Montolio not when they contradict
(07:33:29) martyr12: in what sense? I may not like some things in hbc, that not means I am against, or I will do something against, is very different.
(07:34:25) martyr12: can say same for cfc, or ncdot or pl, any groups and culture have pro and counter, when I was in ncdot I like the elitism, I hated all that cheastbeating, neverthless I was enjing the fleet and never caused any harm
(07:35:20) martyr12: if my leave will get The Jagged Alliance back in hbc, just say so, or tell me what to do for not have issues between us if I can accept I will
(07:35:50) Montolio You leaving won’t matter
(07:36:04) martyr12: so what you want me to do ?
(07:36:39) Montolio Give me leverage
(07:36:56) martyr12: montolio I dont know what you want from me
(07:37:17) martyr12: I work much better whan I know things, like black and white, very clear and simple
(07:37:51) martyr12: there is nothing I can promise, that will work, so is up to you be direct and explicit
(07:45:57) Montolio The only thing I need right now is ISK
(07:47:27) martyr12: how many
(07:47:38) martyr12: you almost cut in half The Jagged Alliance
(07:48:36) martyr12: we lost 800 members, and now you want isk, The Jagged Alliance not have isk , they will maybe if impass will pay off and certainly not the amount you looking for
(07:49:40) Montolio I don’t want it from The Jagged Alliance
(07:49:47) martyr12: yeah you want from me
(07:49:51) Montolio c
(07:50:09) martyr12: why should i? otherwise you fuck The Jagged Alliance? you already did
(07:50:50) Montolio You fucked The Jagged Alliance m8
(07:51:02) martyr12: for what? for get fusen ?
(07:51:19) martyr12: they field 20 capital pretty much is thx to them we taking over impass
(07:55:21) martyr12: The Jagged Alliance made more kills than tribe montolio, where more active than 4k tribers, sure still an average alliance, but was something. if you let The Jagged Alliance grow, instead cut us in half at first sign of growing, I was all for helping test if you asked.
(07:55:55) martyr12: you cut me a leg, and now ask me to run. what answer you expect?
(07:57:55) martyr12: this alliance need time for recover for return in shape. if ever was in shape., now we depend on hbc for impss, The Jagged Alliance is not certainly in grade to defend it from null2 or -a-
(07:58:17) Montolio You don’t have to defend it from either while we are around
(07:58:33) martyr12: you made more dmg than null2 montolio
(07:58:48) Montolio It was deserved
(07:58:52) martyr12: ok not was all good corp but 2k was better than 100o
(07:58:53) martyr12: for what?
(07:59:03) martyr12: at list tell me exacly for what
(07:59:03) Montolio You lied to me
(07:59:09) martyr12: on what?
(07:59:15) Montolio Denied who you were
(07:59:21) martyr12: you know that since 3 months
(07:59:29) Montolio I’ve known it since the start
(07:59:33) martyr12: and I proofed you I am working for hbc
(07:59:33) Montolio But you’ve still denied it
(07:59:40) martyr12: more for you than for me
(07:59:40) Montolio You are working for yourself
(07:59:47) martyr12: for what? for gain isk ?
(07:59:55) Montolio power
(08:00:02) martyr12: really? in The Jagged Alliance?
(08:00:08) martyr12: worst alliance history in game
(08:00:22) martyr12: I am here for give pathetiq a favour :O
(08:00:33) martyr12: if I wanna power I try escalate much better alliance, here I was executor since day 1
(08:00:39) martyr12: is not even a challenge
(08:00:58) martyr12: a challenge is transform The Jagged Alliance into something at list, “decent”
(08:01:57) martyr12: so why you not told me, leave The Jagged Alliance instead punish 2k ppl ?
(08:02:16) martyr12: I offered you my head many times
(08:03:04) Montolio I don’t want you out, I want you controlled
(08:03:12) martyr12: find a way then
(08:03:17) Montolio I have
(08:03:20) Montolio But you rejected both times
(08:03:23) Montolio So it will end the same
(08:03:41) martyr12: what the api story?
(08:04:31) martyr12: you dont need to know all my accouns for control me. you already control me becouse I care about my friend alliance
(08:04:53) martyr12: and you have e leverage point on The Jagged Alliance, but not on me
(08:06:08) Montolio I don’t need leverage on The Jagged Alliance
(08:06:11) Montolio I need leverage on you
(08:06:21) martyr12: I proofed already I am working on your side, and hbc side, remember AZN? and I can do many more things like that, you dont need to trust me just to control me and use me, yeah I like power I like be center of attention like you do and mittani do, but if you keep cutting my legs, than dont ask me to run for you
(08:07:06) martyr12: I never scammed anybody in eve, I fucked who tryed to fuck me. and usually ended bad for them. thats why I have bad reputation
(08:07:39) martyr12: you wanna a leverage point on me? you have it already, I care about pathetiq and The Jagged Alliance,
(08:08:22) martyr12: you can use The Jagged Alliance as leverage on me, but I will never let you have a direct leverage on me, I will leave The Jagged Alliance, if that will be the case, you can either use me, wich I am fine as long this benefit The Jagged Alliance, or lose me.
(08:10:43) martyr12: I will not harm test or hbc in any way since you can do same on The Jagged Alliance, wich I dont whant you to do. so I will simply leave in peace if is what you looking for, otherwise ask me what you need and if is in my abilities give a hand I will. but right now I dont even know if someone in game is a challenge for you , you can pretty much beat anybody in game with this coalition even cfc. so dunno what my presence can really matter when you alredy have a cannon, in a knife fight.
(08:11:37) Montolio I don’t like any attention
(08:12:05) martyr12: no you dont you play in shadows, but you control everything, even too much if you wanna my opinion
(08:12:15) martyr12: but when you talk, it really matters
(08:12:31) Montolio Only to my friends, anyways, bye m8
(08:12:52) martyr12: cya late
(08:14:21) Montolio Probably not )))
(08:14:33) martyr12: why?
(08:15:18) martyr12: whats wrong now?
(08:15:46) Montolio Politics
(08:15:59) martyr12: regards what?
(08:16:05) Montolio The south
(08:16:19) martyr12: you selling impass to someone elsE?
(08:16:56) martyr12: becouse I not give you isk ? what that matters with The Jagged Alliance? the alliance?
(08:17:00) Montolio Never said that, but I do need to raise my warchest
(08:17:37) martyr12: so what you wanna do ? exactly?
(08:18:40) Montolio Win
(08:18:51) martyr12: vs who ?
(08:19:01) martyr12: solar? they have already theyr problems
(08:19:17) Montolio Whoever I haven’t already won against
(08:20:05) martyr12: and what The Jagged Alliance matters in this? you already win, if ever was a contest tbh -.-
(08:23:19) Montolio Bye m8
(08:24:34) Montolio Good luck with Impass
(08:24:43) martyr12: what that means?
(08:26:46) Montolio Nothing, alert us if anyone is fucking with it
(08:27:30) martyr12: I will, and if you can find a way I can be useful let me know.
(08:27:42) Montolio I don’t think you can ever be useful in any of my plans
(08:28:16) martyr12: ok as you wish, I will not be a problem for sure then, but dont punish The Jagged Alliance cause of me, I prefer leave, let me know that ok ?
(08:52:51) montolio: What would you pay for Delve space?
(08:53:47) martyr12: The Jagged Alliance is not in grade to move again montolio
(08:54:44) montolio: in a month or two
(08:54:55) martyr12: I got you need financial help, give me 3 week for estabilish the alliance, we have lot of builder, and we can help financially test
(08:55:08) montolio: I plan to expand the coalition
(08:55:19) martyr12: we have ppl who gonna build 9 titan month, let them build it and sell
(08:55:20) montolio: S2N, NCdot, BAND, RA, INK, WHYSO are joining
(08:55:35) montolio: we are going to expand northwards
(08:55:37) martyr12: thats half of eve O_O you wanna conquer all of eve?
(08:55:41) montolio: yes
(08:55:51) martyr12: wow
(08:56:11) martyr12: if you manage to do that you will be first eve, molle tryed and failed
(08:56:27) montolio: Molle didn’t have the right finesse
(08:56:49) martyr12: but I not think null2 block gonna join hbc, maybe be allied as block, but not join as hbc, or they do ?
(08:57:30) montolio: I told you I work behind the scenes
(08:57:33) montolio: they are already HBC
(08:57:45) martyr12: ncdot is too elistis prick, for wanna be part of a giant block, I mean if you manage to do that kudos,
(08:58:09) montolio: Vince talks to me every week
(08:58:20) montolio: We’ve been talking since Tribute attack started
(08:58:26) montolio: leader of S2N is on my skype, talk regularly
(08:58:32) montolio: Their coalition is lockstep with ours
(08:58:37) montolio: Just not publicly acknowledged
(08:58:38) martyr12: yeah it is now
(08:58:43) martyr12: since you love null2 since a long time
(08:58:48) montolio: Yep
(08:58:54) montolio: and we’ve been helping them with SOLAR
(08:59:00) montolio: Molle was blunt, like a hammer
(08:59:06) martyr12: but honestly montolio The Jagged Alliance, can help financially only after 1-2 months,
(08:59:10) martyr12: we need stability
(08:59:18) montolio: Plans are moving faster then that
(08:59:20) martyr12: you threat The Jagged Alliance good, I will help personally
(08:59:45) montolio: The pieces are in place, plans almost ready to be executed
(08:59:50) montolio: Just need a little push
(08:59:55) martyr12: 3 weeks at list
(09:00:14) martyr12: if I push The Jagged Alliance, they collapse like a card castle
(09:00:32) montolio: You have ISK
(09:00:43) martyr12: me not The Jagged Alliance, montolio
(09:00:59) martyr12: and you threat me very badly,
(09:01:01) montolio: You can play a role in the conquest of EVE
(09:01:10) montolio: Baki Yuki has supplied me with T2 BPOs to fund our war machine
(09:01:28) martyr12: and I helped you gain 3 region and unclaimed from azn story, sure was also other corps
(09:01:37) martyr12: but all pvp assets of rol where in azn a major hit
(09:01:46) montolio: You make ISK like crazy, its not like you need it
(09:01:56) montolio: Baki has been helping out, he has been rewarded for it
(09:02:01) martyr12: you can get banned
(09:02:03) montolio: His group has stability, good access
(09:02:08) martyr12: if I give you isk you now that?
(09:02:18) montolio: Can’t you clean it?
(09:02:25) martyr12: I now many ways
(09:02:32) martyr12: but depends on how much
(09:02:36) martyr12: isk we talking about
(09:02:50) martyr12: 50-100b possible. bigger require times
(09:02:59) martyr12: bigger the amount more the time it need
(09:03:18) montolio: I need to be able to drop four or five office stations in unison
(09:03:28) martyr12: thats not much isk
(09:03:32) martyr12: is 100-125b
(09:04:09) martyr12: you need a month at list montolio
(09:04:25) montolio: I may be able to wait, but what can you get me in a month?
(09:04:34) montolio: When I strike, it needs to be with overwhelming force
(09:04:52) montolio: I have big plans, you can ride on the wave
(09:05:07) martyr12: I just wanna The Jagged Alliance to have fun and be stable in impass
(09:05:10) martyr12: no big plans
(09:05:27) montolio: Thats small time
(09:05:27) martyr12: usually end bed when I am involved, and The Jagged Alliance will pay the price
(09:06:00) montolio: we can give you what you want, you can give us what we want
(09:06:22) martyr12: I just wanna impass and stability, I am done with megalomaniac things montolio
(09:06:31) martyr12: get The Jagged Alliance back in hbc
(09:06:34) montolio: No you aren’t, you are the puppetmaster
(09:06:39) martyr12: I was
(09:06:49) montolio: You will always be the puppetmaster
(09:07:00) martyr12: with ccp on my back hardly
(09:07:14) martyr12: I not bot anymore, if I try I am fucked
(09:07:28) martyr12: I only have huge “deposit” of 3-4 past years
(09:07:30) montolio: They’ve never been able to stop you
(09:07:50) martyr12: now is divided
(09:07:57) martyr12: I play only
(09:08:09) martyr12: if I was botting they where banning me again
(09:08:20) montolio: I see
(09:08:21) martyr12: they control any isk who float into The Jagged Alliance holding what you think
(09:08:44) martyr12: I am not even using another ip or a vpn
(09:08:53) martyr12: they know its me theu ignore me becouse I am clean
(09:09:10) martyr12: sure they not know all trillions in other accounts/ip/friends/investment
(09:09:15) montolio: If I can get 150-250b I can hit all CFC systems at one time
(09:09:21) montolio: Already have director spies in most
(09:09:33) martyr12: take 1-2 months for that amount, to be “clean” and safe
(09:09:58) martyr12: if I log now an account and send 250b to test holding, we both end bad
(09:10:16) montolio: what can you have for me at the end of November
(09:10:33) martyr12: half december?
(09:10:36) martyr12: 100b easly
(09:10:49) martyr12: maybe more
(09:10:52) montolio: Talk with me when you can put some cash on the table
(09:10:57) montolio: Don’t talk to anyone about this
(09:11:07) martyr12: I can try to accelerate things
(09:11:36) martyr12: during december I can manage 300b at max
(09:11:54) martyr12: now I was getting a titan for myself :O and a sc I spend this month 160b
(09:12:22) martyr12: bu I can reverse a couple of titan production , 2 titan sell is worth 210b
(09:12:28) martyr12: 220b
(09:12:32) montolio: I am getting married in December
(09:12:52) martyr12: 45 day from now our titan builder wiill have 9 titan
(09:13:07) martyr12: cost for us 60b each, sell = 110+ each, so 50 b income x 9
(09:13:25) montolio: what kinds of titans
(09:13:30) martyr12: erebus avatar
(09:13:33) martyr12: any we like
(09:13:41) martyr12: I dont build shield shit
(09:14:08) montolio: we could use more bridges, but ISK for stations is better
(09:14:11) martyr12: but impass must be stable and secure, if there is a things I am good in eve is make isk, I can transform impass into a forge
(09:14:20) martyr12: no my point is resell them for market price
(09:14:29) martyr12: 2 single titan, investment= 120b, on market give 220
(09:15:43) martyr12: but for build that stuff The Jagged Alliance, need logistic thrue catch guarantee, builders and renters ask that for build titans. no need to be in hbc, just remain dunno +5, an announcement in this sense will staibilize The Jagged Alliance situation. and you will get your financial support
(09:16:24) montolio: you tell me what you need in Catch
(09:16:26) martyr12: risk free also, becouse is all in game, I can concentrate myself in purely financing, test war effort
(09:16:29) montolio: forum pm it
(09:16:30) martyr12: 1 station for logistic
(09:16:35) montolio: pick a few
(09:16:39) montolio: ill figure out which works best
(09:17:07) martyr12: ok I will ask guys to make a logistic route, what we need now is dock rights for our “citizen” alliance, in catch from init
(09:17:31) martyr12: alliance name: thx 4 all the fish, and an announcement that say The Jagged Alliance relation with hbc are better like +5 (no need hbc membership)
(09:17:40) martyr12: give me this I will give you a lot of financial help
(09:17:54) montolio: I will need to see something on your side first
(09:18:59) martyr12: man if I not honour my words you can reset us when you want no? you have the control
(09:19:23) montolio: Need some good faith
(09:19:29) montolio: How about 50b deposit for +5 ?
(09:19:44) martyr12: but no I am not going to give you 1 isk, in advance from my wallet. since you already cut me a leg once. now is your turn to put some good faith
(09:20:16) martyr12: I am not stupid montolio
(09:21:17) montolio: I will give you a logistics route out of a good faith
(09:21:28) montolio: But im not going to touch standings until I see you as part of the team
(09:21:33) martyr12: ok
(09:21:49) martyr12: I will do my best for get you first bounch asap
(09:21:59) martyr12: let me complete the production, and sell
(09:22:30) martyr12: I need onyl dock rights for our “citizen” in init space, and 1 station in catch for logistic, is all what we need
(09:22:47) montolio: Lets work on the logistics route first
(09:23:08) martyr12: GJ0-OJ
(09:23:25) martyr12: OR V-3YG7
(09:23:44) martyr12: jump point from 4oiv-x (our station in impass)
(09:23:49) montolio: forum pm
(09:23:57) martyr12: test forum? k
(09:25:43) martyr12: not accepting new registration
(09:25:50) martyr12: The administrator is currently not accepting new membership registrations.
(09:25:57) montolio: you don’t register
(09:26:04) montolio: you use auth username + services password
(09:26:09) montolio: See what I mean about integration m8
(09:26:13) montolio: you never evne logged into forums
(09:26:18) martyr12: I am not a forumer 8-/
(09:28:50) montolio: I will teach you
(09:28:55) martyr12: done
(09:29:09) martyr12: I write bad, I hate gramar nazy
(09:29:13) montolio: you need to learn the art of goodposting
(09:30:14) martyr12: I not ask you to improve our standings, but a “distention” announcement can make miracles in that sense
(09:30:58) martyr12: Your Sovereignty Blockade Unit in 9ZFH-Z is under attack!
From: The Jagged Alliance Holding
Sent: 2012.11.10 08:22
The Sovereignty Blockade Unit is being attacked in 9ZFH-Z.
Corporation: X-Com inc
Sovereignty Blockade Unit status is as follows:
(09:31:05) martyr12: rol usin super and caps in impass right now
(09:31:13) montolio: numbers, system, etc
(09:31:24) martyr12: 9ZFH-Z.
(09:31:37) montolio: numbers/types etc
(09:31:40) montolio: can you get a bubble
(09:31:42) martyr12: couple of sc
(09:31:47) martyr12: some carriers
(09:31:57) martyr12: going personally to scout
(09:32:10) montolio: if no bubble we prob can’t help
(09:32:41) martyr12: all sleeping now, is russian time, not eu/us 8-/ is just an sbu but they do this on that sys all nights
(09:32:45) montolio: okay
(09:32:51) montolio: I relayed information, probably won’t do anything
(09:32:57) martyr12: we can prepare with PL hictor logged out
(09:33:19) montolio: talk to me again sunday
(09:33:28) martyr12: will do
(09:33:56) martyr12: I will prepare a trap for this rol sc, but hbc have numbers around this time? for a hotdrop ?
(09:34:10) montolio: not at this moment
(09:34:23) martyr12: I am sure tomorrow they will do again, like yesterday
(09:34:48) martyr12: only in that sys only around 8-10 eve time
(09:37:08) martyr12: dreadnought! in siege
(09:39:04) martyr12: I go sleep. I will give you an estimation of isk income for next 45 day n8, if we have logi I can accelerate everything o/
However, the most interesting thing from our conversation is not whether Montolio was getting married or not, or voiced plans of conquering all of EvE via diplomacy and backstabbing, but the names of corps and individuals supposedly involved in botting for the HBC. He knows who he is dealing with and despite this, Montolio is giving him protection within the game. There was the mention of Tribal Band’s ‘Blood and sand’ and, specifically, the character known as Gummi Worm (link), an important name which also got mentioned later by other sources.
Riverini confronted Montolio with his findings:
test.montolio: yeah was going to petition it and hand over whatever we had to CCP. fucker has been buzzing around us for too long
test.montolio: I did something similiar when he tried to take over TRIBE
test.montolio: yeah, I forwarded all his information to CCP when he tried to take over TRIBE we are about to close down a botter corporation
riverini: what about the ones inside test I was a fool not to consider this when i saw those big donations
riverini: it is the one inside TEST or the ones inside PL or ur proxy ones in empire I got all the list already sent to Sreegs, will see if true or no
test.montolio: what list, of what?
We kept talking to Horus, who went lengths into explaining Bloods & Sands importance within the HBC.
[11/17/12 4:35:16 PM] Horus: blood & Sand is a bot corp who is financing Tribal Band, if you notice [there is] is only one who own an outpost or two in tribal, all other are in hands of holding corp. They probably financing test also. Fun fact is Gummi Worm (a char in game) is developer of questor part of the team know as bbday. Another bot corp is Infinite Covenant. 2 year ago I was botting in venal together with a german guy. He is one of biggest EVE botters and is in Infinite Covenant, he run all theyr supercap production and was all funded by bots Horus: you there?
[11/17/12 4:38:58 PM] riverini: (09:07:00) Horus: with ccp on my back hardly
[11/17/12 4:40:02 PM] riverini: GUMMI WORM writes some questor code, right?
[11/17/12 4:40:05 PM] Horus: all my chars in The Jagged Alliance where. [GUMMI] is the one who fix it and keep it forward at moment and [he] is in tribal band practically [the] real CEO of Blood & Sand. I can even give you theyr empire corps of bots. How I know this? 3-4 months ago I was running it for them. They tryed to fuck me [so] I stolen to them all :O. But they not changed the chars or better they did but not all, so when they remade bot corps I was able to track them I menaced them they where forced to sell everything again. [Their] current bot corp I dont know but ccp can easily track them evewho.com/corp/Blood+and+Sand this is the corp and this are theyr ex 2 bot corps: evewho.com/corp/Fly+Away+2/joinhistory, theyr first bot corp. I forced them to sell chars but they not selled all of them a couple remained in theyr 2nd corp.
[11/17/12 4:45:30 PM] riverini: ahhh
[11/17/12 4:45:38 PM] Horus: evewho.com/corp/Heavy+Disco/joinhistory. I forced them to sell all, even on 2nd corp.
[11/17/12 4:45:48 PM] riverini: How much money do you think TEST received from botting corps monthly?
[11/17/12 4:45:57 PM] Horus: because they keeped zradax char, a vargur bot. Now they selled all again, you can check names and find all sell thread in eve forums.
[11/17/12 4:46:24 PM] Horus: consider this 10 characters, 800ml day almost all Vargur. 800 x 10 8bil day. 8bil x 30 day. 240b / month. In last 4-5 months. consider this are the one I know and are owned by Gummi Worm/thranodi but for sure many others are owned by other members. If you check many members are ex Untouchables; my ex corp [and] they practically tryng to replicate what I did with untouchables char like animals, or nessuno ita are ex untouchables.
[11/17/12 4:49:05 PM] Horus: evewho.com/pilot/Animals check history
[11/17/12 4:49:09 PM] riverini: dude
[11/17/12 4:49:17 PM] riverini: this shit is acid
[11/17/12 4:49:19 PM] Horus: evewho.com/pilot/Masta+Killa
[11/17/12 4:49:28 PM] Horus: evewho.com/pilot/Mister+Alfa
[11/17/12 4:49:32 PM] Horus: all ex outlaw.
[11/17/12 4:49:37 PM] Horus: and untouchables
[11/17/12 4:49:46 PM] Horus: evewho.com/pilot/NeSSuNo+Ita
[11/17/12 4:49:52 PM] Horus: there is a lot of material eh ?
A week and a half after Evenews24 was chatting with Horus, several other sources were trying as usual to raise our interest on botting schemes within all major power blocks (as usual). However some went into detail about alleged botting corps within HBC, and also about Gummi Worm and Questor. We got the chance to confirm some of this intel via an unrelated source. Apart from getting intel regarding Fallen Nova (allegedly a 16 member Pandemic Legion sleeping cell corp within Tribal Band), more info was uncovered in what seemed to be a large botting operation under the auspices of HBC leadership.
1:11 PM Riverini: keep going, am reading bro. BTW, what about the bots?
*edited name*: the ratting Bots? they exist
Riverini: yup,gimme a sec to copy / paste:
1:13 PM [11/17/12 4:35:16 PM] XXXXXXXXX: blood & sand
[11/17/12 4:35:28 PM] XXXXXXXXX: is a bot corp
[11/17/12 4:35:31 PM] XXXXXXXXX: who is financing
[11/17/12 4:35:35 PM] XXXXXXXXX: tribal band
*edited name*: let me look at my logs.
Riverini: how true is this statement?
*edited name*: Triget told me not to tell anyone but..
*edited name*: now that I see he can scam his Friend mandozer out of 20 something bill… what makes you think he wont scam the alliance out of isk?
*edited name*: this is what trig told me about corp Blood and sands. Blood and sand: Mostly italian, lots of supers. no pvp partic. HAVE GIVEN alot of isk for i-hubs and SRP. Gives alliance 10 bil a month for SRP. GUMMi WORM / Thranodi.
Riverini: there we go. GUMMI WORM –> talk me about this guy?
Apart from accusing Tribal Band of a certain scam involving fit Navy Geddons at really high prices and welping fleets of said ships so that members have to resort to those sell orders (which, if true, would deserve a separated article), Gummi Worm/Thranodi is, again, said to be a Questor developer.
In case you are not familiar, Questor is a bot for running missions in EvE Online. As such using it can get you banned, but it is said to be used by large sov holders to fund themselves extensively. As The Mittani himself said, it “makes moon goo look silly” in comparison:
Our source, at one point, decided to contact EN24 and Gummi Worm at the same time and feed us the resulting logs, which we reproduce for your pleasure here. He was also pulled into an IRC private channel by Gummi.
Channel ID: 35212982
Channel Name: Private Chat (alone)
Session started: 2012.11.28 19:31:52
[ 2012.11.28 19:33:56 ] *edited name* > I heard you where the person to talk to for this thing I downloaded and need help setting up. wondering how much it would cost me to get it set up properly?
[ 2012.11.28 19:34:23 ] Gummi Worm > what do you need?
[ 2012.11.28 19:34:48 ] Gummi Worm > I don’t know what people said about me
[ 2012.11.28 19:35:13 ] *edited name* > you have a email or out of game thing we can talk on?
[ 2012.11.28 19:35:52 ] Gummi Worm > C——[email protected]
[ 2012.11.28 19:36:56 ] *edited name* > kk. give me a few. you have IM?
[ 2012.11.28 19:37:09 ] Gummi Worm > ya
[ 2012.11.28 19:38:08 ] *edited name* > kk. let me download the IM live messenger
[ 2012.11.28 19:38:44 ] Gummi Worm > webchat.freenode.net/
[ 2012.11.28 19:38:55 ] Gummi Worm > channel #dummyfordummy
[ 2012.11.28 19:39:03 ] Gummi Worm > you don’t need to downloading
[ 2012.11.28 19:41:36 ] Gummi Worm > are you in?
[ 2012.11.28 19:52:08 ] *edited name* > one sec
[ 2012.11.28 19:52:10 ] *edited name* > srry IRL
In the IRC channel:
o/ srry disconnected
[14:32] <@Guest37345> can happen
This is gummi right?
[14:33] <@Guest37345> maybe
Dont want to be talking to some CCP dev or something xD
[14:33] <@Guest37345> maybe are you a ccp dev
[14:34] <@Guest37345> ccp don’t have any power on freenode
true true ahha
so eyah anyways. so now the question is. what bot should I use. have you tried it? does it link back to CCP in any way? (Srry dont want to get caught)
NOT TRYING TO ASK 100 BILLION QUESTIONS
[14:35] <@Guest37345> you can use questor
[14:36] <@Guest37345> there is the only mission running
[14:36] <@Guest37345> but require > innerspace (ccp approved for multiboxing)
[14:36] <@Guest37345> innerspace is around 15$ every 3 months
[14:37] <@Guest37345> than 1$ every 30 days for every bot tha you wanna running
okay. So Questor you can dual box?
I assume you cant move the mouse when its running right?
[14:38] <@Guest37345> wrong
[14:38] <@Guest37345> this is not ocr bot
[14:38] <@Guest37345> you can doing anything that you want
really?!? so i could have my bot running while I am in a strat op or something on a second account/
[14:38] <@Guest37345> you can also running 10-15 bots at same time to same computer that using 5% of cpu and gpu power
[14:39] <@Guest37345> require only 800mb for istance
[14:39] <@Guest37345> this is not ocr bot
Interesting. how do you know this? I dont think my laptop could handle 15 clients at once.
[14:39] <@Guest37345> this is a “injection bot”
Interesting. First time I can say I have heard of a “injection bot”
I am assuming it puts command codes in? rather then macros that move mouse
[14:40] <@Guest37345> using eve code don’t using user interface like ocr bot
[14:40] <@Guest37345> for example you don’t see the space around your ship
[14:40] <@Guest37345> you see a black screen
So does it dock up when neutrals are in local?
[14:42] <@Guest37345> also
[14:42] <@Guest37345> but this is a mission running
[14:42] <@Guest37345> you doing level 4 on empire (hisec)
[14:42] <@Guest37345> you don’t need to care about local
oh gotcha. will it warp out if it can’t handle the tank?
[14:42] <@Guest37345> is not a anomalies bot that you need 0.0
[14:43] <@Guest37345> sure
[14:43] <@Guest37345> but with this fit you don’t care about thank
yeah I just thought it would go in to lowsec for the angle missions.
[14:43] <@Guest37345> with my fit you can tank every missions
[14:43] <@Guest37345> you never going on low for doing mission
[14:43] <@Guest37345> bot auto reject mission on low sec
and how much isk did you say it could pull in?
[14:46] <@Guest37345> i told you around 400m daily for a tengu
[14:46] <@Guest37345> and 800m for a marauder (vargur)
[14:46] == Guest37345 [5711e747@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.104.22.168]
[14:46] == realname : 22.214.171.124 – webchat.freenode.net
[14:46] == channels : @#dummydummy
[14:46] == server : rowling.freenode.net [Corvallis, OR, USA]
[14:46] == idle : 0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 3 seconds [connected: Wed Nov 28 14:29:16 2012]
[14:46] == End of WHOIS
[14:46] <@Guest37345> don’t try to use kronos
oh thought I DC’d again haha
Do i need to get in game boxes in certain places pinned for it to work? or is it as simple as download client and then run it and it takes it from their
[14:48] <@Guest37345> no
[14:48] <@Guest37345> you don’t need to doing anything
okay. do You have a link with the download deets for the bot?
and do they take paypal?
[14:49] <@Guest37345> sure
[14:49] <@Guest37345> all with paypal
[14:49] <@Guest37345> www.lavishsoft.com/
[14:49] <@Guest37345> innerspace <
[14:50] <@Guest37345> you must take innerspace only
[14:50] <@Guest37345> than you need to take the directeve
[14:50] <@Guest37345> support.thehackerwithin.com/
[14:54] <@Guest37345> then you require the softwer
[14:59] <@Guest37345> github.com/ISeeDEDPpl/Questor
[14:59] <@Guest37345> that you need to compile
[15:00] <@Guest37345> is not so easy
okay. I will look in to it. Srry getting ready for work atm.
Well thanks for the help. If you want I can send a donation when i get back from work (7 hrs) for the help :p Not much but its something
well I am getting off here. thanks for the help and save me as a contact ingame. Might get ahold of ya again. Thanks. o/
The fact that Montolio could be aware of the procedence of the ISK which Horus could procure in the past and didn’t care (and asked for more, in fact) is not at all surprising, seeing as a well-known botting guru acts sheltered by the HBC. The corporation he belongs to, Blood and Sand, has by the way zero fleet participation in operations, according to the spreadsheet sent to us:
but the corporation is still a member for some reason, unlike some corporations that have been removed. It clearly contradicts Triget’s policy in this very long analysis he wrote. In it he speaks bitterly of people not participating enough and leeching off of the benefits of belonging to the band:
We want to direct your attention to this section:
“This corp, in this entire month has sent precisely one member on one fleet when there were 20 fleets run with around 100 members in each. I allowed them to be terrible. I brought them under our roof, hoping, gambling that they would make good on their promises, that they would live up to their potential, that my trust would be repaid. Instead, I got mining drama, military ratings V, and only one person, one time working to contribute to alliance goals.”
And last but not least, a very serious piece that looks like this:
*edited*: okay. Also.
1:39 PM not sure if you care to know
Fallen Nova Quisarious Alt of PL Main Several are PL alts.
that is the sleeper corp PL put in TRIBE
Riverini: ofc am interested
1:40 PM bcz those corps are the botting corps I was told about
*edited*: From Triget telling me PL has sleeper corps in ALL alliances that I am told of. Big alliances that hold 0.0 space I mean.
1:41 PM And yes I believe so. Since PL does not Hold sov, they set up bots as an alternate source of income. So I know they have bots set up
(I didnt buy the ISK fyi.)
I don’t partake in RMT
1:42 PM Riverini: can u get me the name of the duder who can sell some good RMT cash?
*edited*: Centra Spike – log on to PL #games Jabber channel. idle in there and he will be on around US timezone
gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Centra%20Spike (deja vu incoming…)
It’s obvious that everyone and their mothers are constantly saying that “this is normal behaviour for the biggest powers in EvE”, and also that those coalitions are precious for CCP Games as they bring a certain “feeling” to the game: that you can gain power over other players, real and measurable, and that human interaction builds things to a level not achievable in other major games.
However, with checkable logs and related information sent to them (our readers will kindly understand that certain names and chat-log details could not be published here, but were sent to CCP Sreegs when the source agreed)… perhaps it would be in the best interest of CCP Games to set an example?
It will be of great interest to see how – if these allegations end up in bans – would scalate throughout the powerbloc ladder. You might recall how back in October CCP Sreegs mentioned how alliance leaders would be accountable for harbouring botting corps / renters.
The fact that household botting names like NeSSuNo Ita and Mister Alfa – all named and reported for botting in our previous Botwalk Empire exposé – weren’t hit despite clear proof of botting activity doesn’t bring too much of hope into getting us to see results. Another involved character who happen to have a history of botting would be TEST Alliance’s Leetcheese, who (thanks for NozyGamer for pointing this out) has a history of being banned due to botting activities. We live in a New Eden where getting a ban for botting is more akin of a pat in the hand than anything else. Whether this is CCP GAMES’ fault for either a lack of capacity or interest to crack down the biggest botters in Eve Online and while cynicism is the last refuge of the bitter-vets, many are of the opinion that there are protected characters – like Montolio – and groups in the EvE community. Mostly those which bear the large paying customer base for CCP Games.
Once again, the ball is in CCP GAMES’ court.
- Credit goes to Darius, Mino Noud and Riverini.