Want to start an argument?  Tell someone in EVE Online that they’re “rich”.

Tyler Durden: You’re not your job.  You’re not how much money you have in the bank.  You’re not the car you drive.  You’re not the contents of your wallet.  You’re not your fucking khakis.  You’re the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

As I said yesterday, on the surface comparing EVE to Fight Club makes perfect sense because EVE is all about angry men beating the crap out of one other out of a lack of more constructive goals or opportunities.  Still, you can’t talk about Fight Club without talking about its screed against consumerism.  Tyler Durden points out that people are being goaded by advertising to do jobs they hate to acquire piles of stuff that they don’t need.

And that’s also EVE all over.  All of us are in some way doing jobs that we hate to acquire piles of stuff that we don’t need.  If you doubt it, check out your hangar sometime, be honest with yourself, and count up how many of the ships in there that you actually fly regularly.  Unless you’re remarkably disciplined or have done a bro-sale recently, the fraction is probably pretty small.  Often, we want some of those obscure ships “just to have one” or “just in case I need it.”  And we probably got all of those ships by participating in some in-game activity that we hate, whether that involved shooting little red crosses, turning big rocks into little rocks, or dealing with EVE’s oh-so-charming industry system.

So we’re simultaneously Fight Club… and everything Fight Club despises.  All at once.  Gotta love this game.

But the fun thing about this is that no matter how much stuff we accumulate in-game, there exist only three types of EVE Online players:

  • those that proudly acknowledge being ultra-rich;
  • a small group in the middle; and,
  • those that despairingly bemoan how poor they are.

The group at the top comprises maybe 5% of all EVE Online players, in my experience.  Then there’s another 10% or so in the middle that, when asked about this topic, grudgingly admit that they’re “doing OK” but would vehemently deny being “rich.”  That leaves the other 85% or so of players.(1)  All 85% of these players are poor.  Even the players that own multiple super-carriers and titans.  Hell, maybe especially those players.

Just ask them.  They’ll tell you how poor they are.  When you object, they will say “but I only have a few hundred million liquid ISK” or other somesuch nonsense.  Meanwhile, they’re sitting on tens or hundreds of billions of ISK in ships, modules, implants, and PLEXes.  And if you call them rich for this reason, they’ll dismiss the accusation.  Sure, there are lots and lots of people in this group that are actually poor.  But we’re increasingly entering an age of EVE where truly new players are becoming a rarity.  But more about them in a second, because there a really important consideration for this topic.

The vast bulk of EVE players — and if you’re reading this, you’re probably among this group — would never describe themselves as rich, yet have hangars full of ships that they rarely fly… and are working feverishly toward acquiring the next ship or three that they desire for their growing fleet.  Or at the very least, they’re saving up to buy this or that pimp module for this or that ship.

Now don’t get me wrong and don’t get defensive: I’m not saying this is negative, necessarily.  It’s just how EVE is.  The acquisition of stuff was built right into the DNA of the game.  I was reading an interesting thread on FHC the other day about the early days of the game.  It was funny to hear players talking about buying the first Moa BPO or being rich enough to buy their first battleship and when that happened.  So consumerism’s been around since EVE Day One.  What wasn’t built in was the risk aversion that a lot of EVE players have come to be known for, but even that’s kind of a side effect.  It just comes back to the Fight Club theme: lacking constructive goals or opportunities, men will seek out other ways to measure and test themselves against each other.  The scorecard that is evidenced through full hangars, full module cans, and a fat ISK balance is one of the ways for EVE players to do that.  Losing ships reduces your score, whether you measure yourself by ISK balance, hangar size, or K/D efficiency.

This is something that CCP has been struggling with for the last couple of years, as passive income sources grow ever-larger and the player base shifts toward a stable mix of veterans that have min-maxed the hell out of the various means of acquiring personal wealth in New Eden.  Rote Kapelle was lucky enough to pick up a CVA FC in the last couple of days, and something that he wrote in his CVA resignation letter applies here:

There is no “poor” in Eve anymore: Incursions, cobalt buff, wormholes, forsaken hubs, mag sites, 10/10s, lowsec L4 mission blitzing… it’s all available…

Bet a lot of people who read that letter in CVA objected to to being told there’s “no poor in EVE any more.” 

“Players are always richer than you think,” goes this argument in Reyk.  The CSM arguing this very point to CCP at the May Summit certainly reinforces this view.  And like every good lie, there’s a kernel of truth in it.

Yeah, that’s right.  I said lie.

Because sooner or later, if EVE if going to survive, we’re going to need a large influx of brand new players.  So those that are aruging “nerf all the income sources” are not doing anything except arguing for sowing the seeds of the game’s eventual destruction.  Inflation is driving up the price of commodities, ships, and mods all over the game; we’ve all seen it.  Combine that with the pushing down of brand new player incomes that’s come from L4 mission nerfs and player events like miner ganking and bumping and you’re left with quite the little chicken-egg problem.  Which is a big reason why cheap ships like frigates and cruisers are being buffed like crazy.  But more about that another time.

In the meantime, as CCP makes their plans for 2013, they have to keep this dichotomy in mind and pick their battles with care.  Anything that they do to try to break the cycle of consumerism and risk aversion that is part of EVE’s DNA also threatens to make the EVE early game a stultifying, horribly long experience that nobody will want to go through.  They need to give new players good enough income sources to have a hope of catching up… without making those income sources so good that the vets jump on them.  So I expect we’re going to see them try to build in EVE’s new income sources first before they take away some of the old ones.  And they’ll look for ways to allow new players to grief veterans.  The bounty system is a pretty good example of both of these.

And sooner or later, I suspect we’re going to view CCP’s own version of Project Mayhem in one form or another.

Tyler Durden: It’s getting exciting now, two and one-half.  Think of everything we’ve accomplished, man.  Out these windows, we will view the collapse of financial history.  One step closer to economic equilibrium.

(1) Note to self: blog about the 85-15 rule sometime.

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22 Comments

  1. Gumpin

    Im space poor. I have under 200 mil isk in my wallet, and one ship I fly that isnt CTA…..

    On my main…,

    December 7, 2012 at 10:13 pm Reply
  2. Promo!

    See, I came to this conclusion recently as well, that I have too much stuff.. which is why I've been selling everything I have except for a couple of ships so I can play Blink.

    December 7, 2012 at 10:44 pm Reply
  3. Random grunt

    I consider myself broke when wallet dips below 3bil.

    December 7, 2012 at 10:46 pm Reply
    1. Scar

      If you're like me you are nearly broke when your wallet is below 3b. I pay for my 3 accounts with plexes so any given month I have to make 1.8b to pay for my accounts.

      December 8, 2012 at 1:37 am Reply
      1. maid

        If you view EVE as a second job, this is the right mindset.

        December 8, 2012 at 6:38 am Reply
  4. Lazy

    Hanger with a couple identical fit cruisers for non-BC roams, a rifter, a CTA logi, a roaming BC and a shitty ratting BS. Just enough isk/spare mods to replace a loss. All other crap I manage to acquire is converted into isk which gets spent to replace the next flaming wreck. Spend barely any time shooting red crosses. It's nice living with just enough to get by. No hassles.

    December 7, 2012 at 10:55 pm Reply
    1. rane

      same here. since moved in to null i use only 3 ships.cycnable, enyo, and any of the SB's. less then 10 items in my cargo. but i do have shitload of stuff in high sec that needs to be isked.

      December 8, 2012 at 12:01 am Reply
  5. Green Giant

    There should always be ample opportunity for new players to gain money, but new players shouldn’t have opportunities to make ample money. There will always be rich and poor players. While its a great idea to measure wealth by total worth (hangars/mods/wallet) instead of just the wallet, the fact is, handouts to new players is a bad idea.

    “…One step closer to economic equilibrium.”
    Those that earn deserve to keep. Economic equilibrium or communism is a bad motto to work by.

    December 8, 2012 at 12:12 am Reply
  6. Sukhdeep

    I'll say it again, EOH POKER is all about laundering currency, whoot whoot

    December 8, 2012 at 3:46 am Reply
  7. Sukhdeep

    why keep ISK, its not like it worth anything, maybe 4billion isk for 3-4 USD……I say it much better idea to buy what ISK you need, earning ISK in game it like asking a communist government if you have a choice.

    December 8, 2012 at 3:47 am Reply
    1. Pro RMT

      last i checked, it was about 1 bil for $15 usd. give me your sources

      December 8, 2012 at 7:17 am Reply
    2. Tarikan

      http://isk.thealphacompany.net/

      check again sir, this is the most accurate calculator i have found to determine your net worth

      December 8, 2012 at 6:33 pm Reply
  8. adaw

    lvl4 in low… hahahahahhaaa

    December 8, 2012 at 9:55 am Reply
    1. qweq

      Actually it's a pretty good idea since you can pvp and pve in the same station with impunity by storing many many ships there.

      December 8, 2012 at 10:14 am Reply
  9. SumGuy

    A tech ii siege dread, triage carrier, a blackops bs w/ covert jump portal, convert cyno falcon, a few stealth bombers, a few drakes, a block aid runner and a deep space transport, a few battleships and about 2bil in tech ii spare modules, bpo's and only 600mil in isk. I so f-ing poor right now.

    December 8, 2012 at 12:29 pm Reply
  10. poor bitter vet #326

    Let's get the run down sitting In jita right now awaiting the next JF runs 4 macks 12 teugus 40 SBs enough mins to replace a few carriers compressed, over 20billion in modules, and a whopping 23m liquid ISK between my 2 account.

    I am the 99%.

    December 8, 2012 at 3:53 pm Reply
  11. Pain

    9 amarr shuttles, all amarr frigates under 5 mill bestower retriever and coveter. 175mil in isk, and two plex. My first and only character is 5 months old. Id say im pretty broke atm.

    December 9, 2012 at 1:08 am Reply
  12. qwer

    Yeah, tierciding frigates and cruisers first is definitely CCP making it easy for noobs, not about the fact that slot layouts and ship bonuses were pretty much thrown with dice before and major part of the cruisers and frigates were just damn useless at _anything_.

    December 9, 2012 at 2:02 am Reply
  13. FreeWill

    IMO it’s partially up to US to encourage new players to Eve by doing things such a twittering about Dust514 or even just making people aware Eve exists (I never knew Eve existed until my son told me & I’ve been MMOing for over 10 years).

    Fly safe & make new players welcome as they , whether you like it or not are the future of Eve.

    December 9, 2012 at 4:14 am Reply
  14. Mercfromabove

    whats the cut off point for:

    - ultra rich

    - Medium

    - space poor

    Because i always consider myself to be ALRIGHT, money wise, but i don't have enough for a titan? Can someone just clarify what the cut off point is

    December 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm Reply
  15. EVE-BET.COM get space rich betting isk on real life sport!!!

    December 10, 2012 at 5:46 am Reply
  16. Anonymous

    What is rich? I have about 25 billion isk and both of my accounts are paid up through June of 2014 via plex (@500m/plex previous previously). I honestly do not feel that rich. I could lose 25B isk in ships overtime fairly easily if I lost 1B isk tech 3 ships on a regular basis. But my alliance reimburses so yeah, but what is rich?

    December 10, 2012 at 2:54 pm Reply

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