Hi everybody,
Today I'm going to talk about how to fly safely in Retribution! We are adding a couple of new features to ensure that, when you inevitably lose your ship in a very silly way, it is very definitely 100% your fault.
SAFE LOGOFF
This system is pretty straightforward: if you are not doing anything dangerous, you can now opt to "Log Off Safely". This will give you a big on-screen timer showing you how long until you log out. When the timer runs out, your ship is immediately removed from space and you're informed that you successfully logged out.
You will also notice here that there is a button marked "Abort". If, while you're in the process of logging off, you see some dastardly pirate slash noble upholder of justice delete as appropriate flying over to end your ship's meagre existence, you can abort the process and defend yourself. This should ensure that you'll never (again) die because you logged out a minute too soon and got podded while the client was closed.
You cannot be safely logging off while:
- You have active modules
- You're ejecting from a ship
- You have aggression from players or NPCs
- Your ship is exploding or self-destructing
- You're issuing movement commands
- You're launching or jettisoning objects
- You're joining a fleet
- You're deploying or reconnecting with drones
- You have a target lock or are targeted
- You're warping
- You're decloaking or under gate cloak
You can't initiate a safe logoff while any of these things are happening, and if they happen once the countdown is running, it'll be aborted.
SAFETY SYSTEM
The Safety System is sliiightly more complex. Masterplan explained in an earlier blog that, in Retribution, there will be two levels of illegal behavior: "suspect" and "criminal". The safety system ensures that you cannot commit illegal behavior without deliberately switching off your safeties first.
Your new safety system has three states: enabled, partially disabled and disabled.
- While ENABLED, you cannot commit any kind of illegal act
- While PARTIALLY DISABLED, you can commit acts that will get you a suspect flag, but not those that would get you a criminal flag
- While DISABLED, you can do anything you like, up to and including criminal acts
Your safety settings can be adjusted using this cunning new button on your HUD:
Clicking the little round button brings up the safety settings options, where you can select your desired state. Going UP the list (ie, moving to a less-safe setting) requires confirmation; going DOWN the list does not.
Changing your safety setting happens instantly, but moving to a safer setting will not clear flags that you've already incurred.
If you try to attempt an action that's prevented by your safety level, you will simply not be allowed to do it (this is enforced both on the client and on the server). These commands are all highlighted in the UI – in red or yellow, depending on their severity – and if you try to click one of them, the safety button will blink to remind you where you need to change your settings.
The upshot of all this is that you can never just do something illegal by accident: you always have to deliberately go and disable your safety settings first. On the other hand, if you're out to cause trouble, you'll never be bothered by last-minute pop-ups again: if you're on a lowsec roam and you turn your safeties off, you're in full free-fire mode from that point forward. And, pilot beware, if you fully disable your safeties in hisec then you're just one button-press away from a visit from CONCORD. Use at your own discretion 
- CCP Greyscale
Ive never made any such mistakes, but i like these additions
Newbie proof buttons, me like!
Coo mang, safety mode off ftw!
"you are about to undock with a person that is going to kill you outside" coming soon
This is not coming soon; it's already in the game if you have an aggression timer with another player in empire space. And I'll be damned but my rifter is still a rifter, and not a pony, even with such a dumbed-down game mechanic.
One more step to "Hello Kitty: Island Adventure".
DAMN YOU CCP, DAMN YOU!!!!
Shhh. Your retardedness is showing.
Step one: Less stupid bullshit in the interface
Step two: ???
Step Three: HELLO KITTY ISLAND ADVENTURE!
Care to enlighten us what stage two is?
Supercap pilots rejoice!
That is a very interesting system! Sure, it limits the ammount of accidental stupidity and fun kills, but it´s good anyway.
I'll lay you odds that there will be at least one bug that keeps someone with the safety on from being able to return fire after someone has aggressed them resulting in their destruction before Concorde can arrive.
great, now that you said that I'm gonna have to worry about my drones returning fire to gankers..
The feature is actually quite nice. The idea is retention. How many new guys leave eve because of an early mistake? This allows them to gradually move into more hostile game play. A solid addition to a new guys eve education.
Helpfully to nubs
Why don't ccp just fly people's ships for them too, that's what it's gonna come to, u can't idiot proof every part of the game. You learn by making mistakes and learning from them like everyone has to.
Its actually not that different from the current pop up warning "Proceed with criminal act?."
CCP does fly people's ships for them… it's called autopilot. Niarja, Uedama, rejoice!
Idk I kind of like the idea or turning the ships safety protocols on an off. Lets face it. In the Military they don't just let tanks roll around free to shoot with wanton disregard… unless someone gives them permission to fire. It's just giving you more control of your ship, and a handy little button to turn off all the stupid warnings when you try to jump to low sec or shoot a POS.
Moar dumbing down of eve, thank you CCP for "Wipe me Ass Online" and if its retention you want fix fecking Sov and moon goo already!
You're totally right, I propose that you must enter a 64-bit encryption key which changes every 5 minutes based on the sum of two random prime numbers every time you want to undock. Eve is supposed to be complicated and I won't have accessibility or user friendliness in my spaceships game.
the thing that annoys me about games like EVE is the morons who start complaining when game functionality is added to help new players. LOOK WHAT IT SAYS! IF YOU ARE SO AMAZING AT THE GAME, TURN IT THE F*CK OFF!!!!
I've not had any such problem since i've been playing but i can see it being helpful for people who havent played for a long time. Dont come across as an elitist f*ckhead when something that will actually not effect you in the slightest is introduced.
In the end, if things like this arent introduced over time, the elitist pricks are the only people who'll be left in the game. And the game will die. If thats what you want, keep crying about it. Otherwise shut the hell up.
'the elitist pricks are the only people who'll be left' <= has this not happened already?
nope sir , hopefully , the Goonswarm Federation is helping new players , and ha ve been fighting the ellitist pricks for years now. and guess what : we are winning .
>Implying Goons are fighting elitist pricks
>Blue to PL
Hows that working out for you.
>2012
>meme arrows
>broski is dead
But seriously on topic this update helps everyone. less annoying popups and more safety for newbies.
Still, EVE is slowly dying and Goons are obviously not part of the solution but part of the problem.
That.
Really?……..
Yep.
CCP doesn't realize that they screwed up with making things expensive ingame adding all of these new features is not going to help……this is not world of Warcraft we play eve for its difficulty to exist in the game they don't plan ahead before they change features (drone region mechanics) everyday I less and less players on the opening page player count it use to be at 50000 now it sits around 34k consistently. Back when it would peak it would be 60 k and now it peaks at 40. Sry to say its going to go down again people that play eve usually aren't millionaires and those who are play when their not traveling the world. Sad times are ahead for the eve community but dust might save eve as a source of recognition of doing something no one has done before. But we do not need WOW features in eve the game would lose its active player base have a spike of fad players which will drop quickly due to costs of assets. Preserving ships longer in space is not a way to make costs sensible to eve players do something to fix this CCP
FA aren't you goon pets, this should not concern you, just orbit and press F1
LOL +1 sir
Actully these safety features were made with FA in mind.
Heres some fucking tissues for your tears… STFU AND GTFO
Good move.
Eve isn't hard it's just that a lot of the information is highly confusing or very well hidden.
I'm sorry but the damn pop ups making me click something to confirm I really want to do something naughty has always been annoying. I actually like this change.
I thought the log off timer was "okay" at first, but coupled with the safety system.
What the fuck CCP we are mature enough to deal with out shit (most of us). And those who are not, well… fuck them, dont make the game easier because people are stupid. Eve is not supposed to be easy, maybe it shouldn't be god-awful but holding their hand and making absolute sure they cant fuck up is really dumb.
Don't drop life-rafts to the stupid or those unwilling to learn.
Its not like they can use it to log off cloaked or something.
In fact if you check that mechanic again you will see that it will make it easier to get those AFK-stealth campers since they will need to stay uncloaked for 1 minute until they log off and give you time to scan them (like now, more or less).
Don't look at every change as a bad thing, just think about how you can use to your own advantage and if you and your friends are unable to do so then please stop by Jita or any other trade hub to give you your banana.
Wtf?
I can't believe the spent time programming this crap! CCP… PLEASE… spend time on stuff that CREATES content instead of giving tulips and chocolate to those who don't want to learn how to keep themselves safe… what a waste of effort!!!
Comments like this literally make me sick to my stomach. Those of you who don't understand how Game Studios and Game Development actually work, please refrain from attempting to contribute to any discussion involving new mechanics. Your ignorance simply makes you look stupid. I'd rather listen to 7 hours of Team America than read a single sentence from your misinformed mind.
On that note. listentoamovie.com is currently playing Team America in my headphones. YOU HAVE TO HANG ON CARSON!
It's okay pal, don't fret about it. I'm sure CCP are already working on a fix to stop anyone saying anything that might make you feel a bit sick and put you off your mission grind.
And those game studios that don't listen to the players make me sick to my stomach, that's why i will never buy another EA game ever again. That's why people protest in Jita, That's why people quit games and game studios/franchises lose money. Please explain how game studios work, i guess you work at one.
Retribution is a direct result of CCP listening to players – to those that quit the game already, that don't stay after the trial or just speak out against bad design decisions that are in the game for way too long.
Saying CCP waste their time with changes like this is shortsighted.
Please quit eve, I can only assume your some highsec bear who spends all day mining or grinding missions to not find these changes good and very worthwhile. Both of these mechanics are retarded as they are currently.
I figure they did this to cut down on petitions for ship replacements.
How about this give me hot keys for bookmarks?
Definately win / win here, make it harder to harass new players while not affecting experienced players. I don't see any downsides here but a potential for more new recruits sticking around longer. The last thing we need in Eve are more reasons for new players to leave.
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Way to be soldier.
How will this mechanic work with smartbombs?
Good thing. Funny how all the pirates are whining and complaining now because griefing the newbies isnt so easy anymore. Pathetic.
Well i like to grief those people, why should my play style suffer?
The idiots can go on being idiots 99% of the time and still be safe in highsec. Currently if you're not willing to learn the basic mechanics of eve you will eventually learn the hard way but if CCP aren't careful people will sit in the safety and miss out on arguably Eve's greatest feature – PVP.
I accept that PVP isn't for everyone but a lot of new players are scared of leaving highsec and this is contributing to the lack of targets both PVPers and miner/mission runners taking the risk/reward in both low and nullsec.
I rage quit twice due to wardec and griefers while carebearing in my first year of eve. It was only once I decided I'd had enough that I started learning how to fight back.
My first kill was ganging up on a HS griefer to defend the little mining corp we had built up of 15 or so less that 1 year old players over a few months – If that hadn't come to pass I would've got bored and unsubbed many years ago.
Instead I discovered a gamqe I truly fell in love with and I have never looked back since…
Surely then the issue is not with game mechanics changing which, long term a good thing, but more corporations who specialize in PVP to take in and recruit and nurture new comers?
And I love this feature, many a time I have lost ships in hisec shooting badgers and forgetting its not 0.0 lol
Case in point, you should try to stop being so retarded rather that expecting CCP to hold you hand… Or just get over it and move on.
hint: troll/pirate logic does not apply to RL. most newbies simply quit if they get griefed. if u want more pvpers, show newbies the pvp training corps.
That's not going to help the newbies who sit in highsec mining corps grinding for next months plex because they're (wrongly) convinced they need a battleship and 20million skill points to enjoy PVP. You have to experience the rush to fall in love with it.
Speaking from experience forcing people out of there comfort zones exposes them to new experiences and elements within the game. As far as 'getting some good PVP' making more people fight will lead to more PVP experienced pilots and more experience leads to gudfitez.
If you disagree you aught to actually try some non-blob pvping first.
Yes, because griefing new players is obviously the way to get some good PVP. If someone wants to not fight don't force them, being a dick doesn't get more members.
This sounds good to me. I'm use to mechanics by now but when I was a noob I never knew what I could or couldn't do without penalty. This should help with unneeded noobie frustration. Good job ccp
So tired of CCP dumbing eve down with every patch.
Alienating long time customers in hopes of new customers isn't a sound strategy. Particularly in a game where so many people have so many alt accounts. How many new subscribers do you need to get to fill the void left by one old timer with 4-10 accounts leaving.
So all you rookies that find eve confusing still can hate all you want and go on about how stupid my statement is and how every hand holding tool CCP is adding is the greatest idea ever. You fail to realize your also robbing yourself of one of the greatest satisfying moments in EVE the moment when you suddenly "Get it".
No player, newb or otherwise should have to guess things like log off time and aggression timers.
I support CCP making it so if a player gets tricked into being Concorded or does something dumb it is their own fault. How is proper game feedback dumbing things down? You sound like one of those people that thrive on tricking new players into doing stupid crap.
I know I am, here have some of the free ammo I've just jettisoned – I didn't want it anyway.
Agreed wholeheartedly, this thread needs more people who actually play internetspacefitez.
Please post a link to the original article next time.
Also, good job with the copy-pasta.
Wait wait, with the next patch they bring a "I'm not a pvp'er, killing me is impossible" button for the guys who wants to fly safety in 0.0
Bittervets STFU , we need more ppl.
This is candy for supers.
I am going full retard >There is a reason why it's called the ^sandbox^ (1C8Cp)
hahahah, i remember when a friend of mine introduced me to eve and explained how to target stuff and shoot and get from A to B, then he said now just try it and target my ship, and i was so enthusiastic and though he will tell me to shoot at his ship next and i just pressed F1….lololol concordokkened ….was one of the funniest moments in eve i had
sadly new players don´t have the chance to make this experience as from 4th of dec.
Very smart system, completely idiot-proof. Anyone dies by this, all faith in humanity will be lost XD