TL;DR: Learn Racial frigate and Cruisers up to level 4 and the destroyer and Battlecruiser skill up to 4 or even better 5, NOW or you will regret it!!
One of the most valued commodities in EVE is Skill Points (SP). The only way to acquire them is with time, real life time. Iskies, items, experience, and even the largest of alliances can’t give you more SP. All you can do is speed up the rate you acquire SP by plugging in implants and remapping.
However, curtsy of CCP, as outlined in their DevBlog (evenews24.com/2012/11/06/dev-blog-back-to-the-balancing-future/) you have the perfect opportunity to acquire more SP, by investing in some skills right now!! The window is about two months, give or take, depending on CCP.
Let me elaborate.
CCP has been rebalancing the different ships we fly, tiericideing as they call it. Part of this effort is the introduction of four new Destroyers in the upcoming December patch. However, CCP is also going to change the skills needed to fly the destroyers and later on the Battlecrusiers. As you may have noticed, most ships have specific racial skills. You need Gallente frigate level 3 skill to fly the incursus, and Minmatar frigate level 3 skill to fly the Rifter.
However, to fly a destroyer you only need to learn destroyer level 1 skill AND the appropriate frigate racial level III skill. For example, you need the Destroyer level 1 skill AND the Caldari level 3 frigate skill to fly the Cormorant.
This is going to change. CCP will be introducing specific racial destroyer skills (four of them, one for each).
But CCP has stated that if you can fly a ship now, then you will not have to learn any additional skill.
Instead, CCP will GIVE YOU the appropriate skill.
Therefore, for you to gain all four different racial destroyer skills you can either wait till the change and learn these skills (if they take the same time as now it’s going to be a *2 skill, ie it will take you 8 days to learn it up to level V)
Or, you could just learn all four different frigate racial skills up to level III, around 8-9 hours tops, and learn the Destroyer skill to the level you need (for the maximum benefit, level V is advised). Then come the skill change you will magically have an additional four skills at level V, or a net SP gain of 1,536,000 (512,000*3), which amounts to around 569 hours, or 23 days at maximum attributes (remap 27/21 +5 implants). Additionally, these new racial destroyer skills will be part of the requirement to fly Cruisers, instead of the current racial frigate requirements.
That was the small gain, now if you could bear with me for a little more, you would gain much more SP!!
The other ship lines that have no different racial skill requirements are the Battlecruisers. Here too the requirements are Battlecruiser Skill level 1 to 3 (for tech 3 BC) and the appropriate racial cruiser
skill level 3. Meanwhile, the current racial frigate level IV skill requirement was not mentioned in the DevBlog, my understanding was that it will be changed to the new level IV racial destroyer skill. For
example to fly a myrmidon you need Battlecruiser skill level II AND Gallente Cruiser Level III, AND either Gallente Destroyer Skill level IV. Additionally, the requirements to fly Racial Battleships will be changed
from Racial Cruisers 4 to Racial Battlecruisers 4.
CCP will be making the same changes they made to the destroyer skill. Four new skills will be created for the different racial battlecrusiers. Additionally, the same rules will apply: if you can fly a ship now, you
will be gifted the appropriate skill to fly it, once the change is implemented.
Therefore, do yourself a favor learn all racial frigate skills up to level 5, and all the cruiser racial skills up to skill level 3. In addition, to the current destroyer and battlecruisers skill up to 4 or even better up to
5.
You will thank me later… hopefully by sending iskies to my retirement fund. 
- Seth
I predict a sharp increase of LOL fit Capital Killmails, followed by a sharp increase of ratting capship nullbear tears
Why would there be more noobs in capitals… or more nullbear tears?
The skills for Carriers/Dreads aren't being changed (just the pre-reqs to battleship which are getting tougher to train)
Which part of FREE SKILL POINTS CAN BE APPLIED ANYWHERE did you not get?
@ M1k3y Think BEFORE you post
You should take your own advice…
Where did they say the skill points will be thrown up for reassignment? It sounded me like they were simply replacing the battlecruisers skill with x4 battlecruiser skills, but I'd you could assign those skills anywhere..
No really. Stop being retarded. The "free" skillpoints is just not having to train 4x bc 5 and 4x dessy 5
oh ill invest them in capital skills and then ill do this…
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What about command ships
I imagine that as BC 5 is a prereq for that, you'll just get the racial to 5 and the Command Ship prereqs will be updated accordingly. And frankly, I'm amazed more people don't have BC 5 already as it's one of the greatest skills ever and for the last few years at least, universally brilliant across a wide range of ships.
all this means is my clone will cost more not a good thing for higher SP eve players
Are you that guy that wins the lottery and complains about the tax on it, or free cake and complains it's white frosting and not purple? High SP clones are tens of millions of SP apart, a few more million won't change much. Unless your 'higher is mid to late 20'
74mil SP signing in, confirming clones are often cheaper than ships too. Soon to be an extra 5mil SP higher, if my estimate is correct.
What's the win in this? A higher number on my char page?… yeah that's just about the only thing. Think. SP doesn't mean better. And we are talking some 4 million? extra sp. for no improvements
Somebody missed the point I was trying to make, or likes to grasp at straws for argument points.
Yeah, no improvements now. But once this goes live you'll wish you'd spent one month training BC 5, and not 4 training Amarr, Caldari, Gallente AND Minmatar BC 5… Right now is the perfect time to train those skills, even if you're unlikely to use them. What if you end up in an alliance that calls for Command Ships(unlikely, I know!) or something else? You'll have those skills trained up higher already, meaning in theory you could be higher up the damage dealer list on killmails.
Or y'know, you could sit there, be utterly blind to what everyone's saying to you and continue to be a fucking retard. For someone called "MasterDebater" you're more like a "Wanker". Coz y'know, it's a follow-on from "MasterBator".
Don't feed the troll guyz, I got this.
I know what my name sounds like. It's a play on words. Like Master Baiter etc.
And OFC I have bc 5 and dessy 5. I just don't see why people are running around yelling "omg free sp", when in fact the only thing they're getting is punishment if they don't train these skills..
hurr. durr.
You are actually right we gain nothing from this except if you don't have the skills at V already you save about a month or so of training time. The SP going up a million or what ever doesn't actually give you any thing but a higher number. It does not affect your ships or game play.
just stop training. we can laugh at u later.
The win is that once the new ships are released, you will already have max bonuses for all races instead of having to spend weeks to train each race up.
My friend, unless your at the 150+mil sp mark which I highly doubt fucking Deal with it
Mine is. IT HURTS TO DIE
confirming it costs 45m just for a new clone
it is retarded high sp players cant sensibly go pvping in frigs/destroyers because the clone costs multiple times the value of the ship…
i mean you could, but pvping in a 20mil thrasher and then lose a clone costing more than twice that is retarded, personally i think a 1 clone fits all would be better but way off topic…
WAAAAAHHHHH I have too many skill points waaaaahhh. Give me a break. If you have high skillponts you should have learned by now how to pay for clones. If you can't you should play another game more to your level, like farm ville or something
I like Pod Expressing.
why racial frigate V is a requirement ? if i have destro V
it's not
V is only a req for t2
Learn BC 5
Learn Destroyers 5
Learn all Racial Frigates minimum 4
Learn all Racial Cruisers minumum 3
Result:
After this change ( next year, not with the patch on Dec, 4th)
U can fly:
All Racial Battlecruisers LvL 5
All Racial Destroyers LvL 5.
just get everything 5… and u wont have to worry bout nothing
Remember, you won't be able to actually "fly" the Battlecruisers that Racial Battlecruiser 5 allows- you will still have to satisfy all the requirements.
For example, In order to fly an Absolution, you must have Amarr Battlecruiser 5, but ALSO Amarr Cruiser 5. If you only train Amarr Cruiser to 3, you will still have to complete that cruiser train in order to get into that command ship.
Your tldr says learn racial cruiser to lvl 4
Why?
As I see it all you need optimally is racial cruiser 3, dessy 5, and bc 5. When the change comes you get bc5x4 and dessy 5×4 and (due to nested skills) can fly any dessy/bc at level 5 because the relavent skills (which will NOW require cruiser 4 to inject) have already been injected and trained to 3.
And since I could fly it before, I should have no problems now.
I am correct??
Just train them all to 5 and save us your math and shit posting,
why would you need to training racial frigate skill to 5? thats not changing.
only need all 4 racial frig skills to 4 , cruiser skills to 3 and then destroyer and bc 5 to get the max 'free skill points'
Reading is fundlemental, these changes are not coming on dec 4th
[sigh] this one is hopeless… BC and BS overhauls are not a part of the release of Retribution, only frigs and cruisers ATM… comprehension is fundamental while reading.
.. i know.. baby steps… you'll get it.
^ This. It's going to take them a while to rebalance all of the BCs and BSs. We have plenty of time to train these skills.
Yes witch i consider will happen like the Mining barge changes come mid patch.
so im guessing you have untill FEB 2013 to train it but better train it now then be sorry later.
Learn BC 5
Learn Destroyers 5
Learn all Racial Frigates minimum 4
Learn all Racial Cruisers minumum 3
Result:
After this change ( next year, not with the patch on Dec, 4th)
U can fly:
All Racial Battlecruisers LvL 5
All Racial Destroyers LvL 5.
This is that for my understanding.
Sounds right.
Already has all frigs at 5, destroyers at 5, all cruisers at 5 and battlecruisers at 5.
What should I train
BS5? ^^
Logi 5.
i dont know.. maybe go up the chain a bit more and go all battleship 5?
Humility I
I do only have 1 BS skill at 5 so yeah maybe more of those
All your bs skills to at least 4. I think that was mentioned that they are going to drop the cap requirement from bs5 to bs4.
Yeah, you get a bunch of extra SP, but it's not like you'll be able to do anything new with them so you won't get an unfair advantage in effect, only in time.
The tl;dr: is wrong and in one of the last sentences you mention frigates 5 which is alos worng… get a grip riv and don't post wrong articles that may cost your readers valuable training time.
HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO:
Train:
All racial frigs to 4
All racial cruisers to 3
Destroyers to 5
Battlecruisers to 5
After the update you will get four racial Battlecruiser skills to 5 and four racial Destroyer skills to 5.
He gets it.
Hate to break this one to ya, but Riv didn't write this article. Mistake is a mistake, but at least rant at the right idiot
i hope people remember to update clones :3
Also, surely this increases the gap between noobs and vets? I thought CCP were trying to get rid of that..
holy fuck… these guys must be running out of stories…..
[This pilot was recently podded. Unfortunately, Reading Comprehension I was lost during the transfer to the new clone.]
I'm sure i read that if you can fly it now, you can fly it after.
I cannot see the pre-requisits changing and please stop calling them "Free Skill Points"
you are not getting any free skill points, you are just reducing future training time, training 1 skill now rather than 4 later.
Making it harder for the newer players (which increases the gap between vets and newbs as mercfromabove says).
I personally cannot see any good coming from this change, its just an on par change because someone in CCP isnt doing anything and wants to keep their job. It also raises a talking point and by god do EVE players like to talk! =)
Um, Destroyers is a rank 2 skill… how is that going to split into 4 racial skills without giving free skill points?
You're right – they stated "if you can fly it now, you can fly it after. " – that does not change.
What changes is, that Destroyer and Battlecruiser will be split into Racial Skills (e.g. Gallente Destroyer & Gallente Battlecruiser) and also put into the prereq-tree to Battleship.
Meaning: currently you need e.g. Gallente Frigate IV > Gallente Cruiser IV > Gallente Battleship I to fly a Gallente BS. After the Patch it will be Gallente Frigate IV > Gallente Destroyer IV > Gallente Cruiser IV > Gallente Battlecruiser IV > Gallente BS I.
So, if you train all racial Battleships to I before the patch, they will have to give you the racial Destroyer and Battleship-Skills (at least at the BS-prereq-level) "for free", as otherwise you would not meet the prereqs for BS anymore.
Yep comments are right, sry for typo.
Racial cruiser only to 3, racial frigate only to 4
My bad
SETH
To be honest I'll do the bc to 5 and cruiser to 5 for one other race but I am not going to train all that other stuff up.
Welcome to news from 4 months ago, curtsy [sic] of EN24.
leads me to think they will add a racial component to the t2 ships at some point as well
So from what I understand the “free skill points” you will get won’t actually be “free skill points” they will just be undistributed skill points that you can put anywhere but are for you to train racial BC and destroyer to what ever level you had it at. Or am I completely wrong and you’ll automatically have the racial BC and destroyer trained to the level you had it as well as free skill points?
No, you'll get the skills to the level of dessy or BC you had before, no unallocated SP