In the wake of getting kicked of the Honey Badgers Coalition.
Then the following email was broadcasted to the alliance:
SOV IN QUERIOUS
From: martyr12
Sent: 2012.11.04 06:07
To: The Jagged Alliance,AS AGREEMENT WITH TEST SON IN QUERIOUS WILL BE DROPPED AND GIVED BACK TO THEM SINCE WE TAKING OVER IMPASS AND HBC IS HELPING US TAKING IT SO DONT FREAK OUT
MOVE ALL TO IMPASS
From: martyr12
Sent: 2012.11.04 10:30
To: The Jagged Alliance,Move all to 4OIV-X in impass, remove pos from querious, bring down all sbu-tcu. (foea broken anvil have some tcu around in 60m and area, i removed already all the 9 from the holding corp )
Querious is transfered back to test, we have dock rights etc, so get your stuff out and move in impass, you have all the time you need.
We are blue to hbc, we still doing Impass, they still helping us get it, we simply not directly part of HBC, we have a NIP, means non invasion pact, means also if someone invade us they defend us and vice versa, we help member of hbc if someone try to invade them.
Normal members will not have access to hbc jabber, only TJA Leadership (executors , Pathetiq Xfile and Pupser) probably couple of other high leaders also, for keep the comunication with HBC coalitionToday there is 2 alliance meeting (eu and us time) check the timers in the main site thejaggedalliance.net/ everything will be explained during that meeting.
cya in the SOTA
Yes, a state of the alliance meeting was needed for TJA and discuss the options available, here is the recording:
There was a discussion whether to either go to empire, try to gain a foothold in Querious and some talk about renting. There was a distrust vibe, which is understandable when one of the participants of the proponents in this meetings is none other than RMFHorus.
One of our readers attached the following comment on the SOTA:
Well figure’d I would send this to you first:
- The TJA EU SOTA from last night got a little heated and very long.
- Biggest thing is XFile got nailed to the wall and took quite a brow beating.
- Apparently it was Xfile’s botting character that got banned. He lied and denied it.
- The other thing that I personally found interesting is the fact that despite the broadcast by Montollio, Xfile seems to think that Test and the HBC will keep TJA blue which from Montolio’s broadcast doesn’t seem like the case.
- Last I knew a NIP is not required if you are blue. Only if you are Neutral is a NIP required. That or I know not what NIP means after playing for 6 years.This is not the first time that I have witnessed TJA Fail. But the second time. First time was when they were supposed to support Ushra’Khan in the fight against -A- in the area of CNC-4V. TJA fell apart and were ordered to pull out. And now once again they have been ordered out by the HBC because of the horrible leadership and communication.
- R
Carebears….
I don't think there are any words that can describe from what I just heard.
HAHAHAHA
at the corps that just joined these fuckers. Fusen why have you fallen so far so fast.
that corp contained too many fags in leadership such as kugu shit-poaster of fame Pilious, one he wrecked it sufficiently over team, he discarded & abandoned it like a wanksock
Pilious left in NC. days as have the leadership (most went to -A- (hirr, MV and Thorn), seems we fall pillar to post this weather, no end in sight… and this…well..
Yeah.. of all the former MM corps, seems FUSEN seems to have fallen the farthest. Pieces of shit were even in IRC but didn't it there lol.
Most interesting is how Jeff Raider from PL is still butthurt about Fusion, and has been for at least 2 years (nevermind most members from back then have left the corp). Can anyone shed some light on why this is?
"i don't have 75b isk in our wallets"
So you fail at pvp and being carebears
Put the date in the new layout damnit. Gonna keep posting this daily, at least until I see a response. I get on the page and scroll straight past the new featured display right down to the old regular listing below. My visits have dropped from frustration of clicking featured articles only to realize they are a week old and I read it already. TM has the date, if your gonna copy it might as well do that. I can give a f**k-all how many people have commented on a given article. SWAP FOR DATE!! I'm not the only one requesting this. Don't ask for opinions and not awknowldge a very reasonable feature switch.
I wonder what made this gentleman so angry. I myself never noticed there's no date. Sir, calm down please.
omg my comments being banned again… what keyword did i use now?! im not typing this all up again
tdlr – date is fine, but Riv, sort out the graphics and the design of this site already for crying out loud!!!
your site is biased and shit but theres no better alternative out there so we need u bro
are you retarded? cant remember what youve read already day after you read it?
IDK what the hell u talking about willis!!!?
<img src="i.imgur.com/E4Luj.png">
that's how the blog thing looks to me, right next to the author name there is a date specified. in this case it reads November 6th
Also, everyone knows the best way to reach me is via [email protected]
You visits obviously have not dropped enough. You still are here.
Idiot.
Learn to read.
Cloaky sniping raven comes through with the recording
He didn't leak it. Spais did. LOL.
If you allow scammer and professional spy to lead your alliance you get the allince fileld with scammers, pirates and eve-skunk enthusiasts… They should think what their plan is. They would work like a dream as a alliance of piates and griefers. No discipline, no loyalties, no sov problems.
Who was that self entitled little bitch lol WHAT DO WE GET? WHAT DO WE GET? I DONT WANT TO DO ANYTHING I WANT HBC TO KILL ERRYTHING AND GEEF ME ISK! I DONT WANNA MOVE! I WANT MONEY AND YOU MOVE EVERYTHING!
That guy doesn't realize that nothing is guaranteed in 0.0.
some real dicks in jagged, the guy is trying to get the alliance together and they are more interested in cap fuel
Dont know any1 in jagged but who are those dicks that keept interupting? Sounds more like the fagged alliance to me. STFU and let the man speak, mabye having 8 ppl acting like they are in charge is reason why you guys fail….
Well if you want to sit there and say shit like that then you obviously don’t know any of the history of what was going on in the alliance. The Leader of the alliance (Xfile) kept not only ALL the CEO’s in the corps in the dark but also his guys who are supposed to help him run the alliance.
Some of those who were interrupting WERE the people in charge not just acting like they were.
Xfile has no true diplomatic abilities. IF you have ever had to deal with him or talk to him you would understand.
They so going to get farmed by test guys, it is just mentally sick.
What a bunch of carebears. You can see why this alliance haven´t and won´t achieve anything…ever!
"Herpaderp, i want space to carebear to my hearts content, and i don´t want to fight for it. I want my allies to do the shooting and sit in my annomalies all day long. My seven year old daughter has no responsibilities so i don´t want some either."
Just lol.
Be sure to move all your assets to Impass
TJA has been a train wreck since the Wicked Creek days……It's your leadership stupid
Ah Jagged, always so dreamy while being kicked in the face by landlords…..and you guys sure can take a lot of kicking…
They have been kicked alot, and i mean ALOT:D
did Test just hit TJA's self destruct button????
You can hear the real voice of krall amarr / puppetmaster famous bots manager and rmt.
Lols, ok, so -A- doesn't undock, -A- doesn't fight, -A- is shit, but the first question is from someone shitting their pants about -A- coming to Impass?
-A- is the big bad, test told you all so. Fear the -A- because Test does, test cannot control us and fears that which it cannot blue or control.
HBC is installing them in Impass to have some new targets close by to shoot at since AAA are gone and not giving fights anymore.
Test are now roaming into Provi too. Ahh, the joys of being surrounded by blues.
Terrible alliance is still terrible
NIP = blue
LOL
Listening to the americans in jagged makes my ears bleed, sound like whiny little bitches lol
They seem to be the worst America has to offer in EVE, my Americans would eat them for breakfast.
confrming those clowns dont bleed red,white and blue but are in fact canadien.
you must be from america, you cant even spell Canadian right.
I'm curious as to how you can try and correct spelling when you being a sentence with lower case or upper case on proper nouns.
fail you
"my dream, is that one day we will be in a coalition that protects us while we carebear."
pussies.
IT should be: I HAVE A DREAM, that one day bla bla:D
These guys are totally fucked.
"That's cool so I can collect a tax from my corp members just simply to give it back to my corp members wow I like that"
I feel sorry for this alliance leader, after hearing that meetting it's clear these guy are not ready for what the leader is asking, and they want everything given to them. This will likly not end well simply b/c these guy don't have confidence in themselves, and will roll over the moment they are chellenge.
I once got given all of TJA's sov because path is too stupid to remove old directors from his holding corp. I also recall path refusing to fight -A- and support his allies. I also know of the fight where he told all of his allies capitals to jump in but not TJAs because he thought they might get hot dropped which they did and they left comms even tho he was FC because he couldn´t take the pressure.
Path is a top class retard and his alliance gains and drops corps and an insane pace because of his lack of tact, leadership and communication. He doesn't understand that he has no skill as a FC or as a leader and when things go wrong he blames other people or other corps.
Please check out TJA's former corp list. Bare in mind you might need a good 15 minutes to work you way down.
@ Swift – Path is not Alliance Leader. A douchebag named Xfile replaced him.
HA it’s not about wanting everything given to them. Don’t feel sorry for the alliance leader. Feel sorry for the alliance members. The alliance does not AT ALL have confidence in it’s leader. That is the problem. Check out their killboard. And if you knew anything of the inner workings as of late you would shake your head. TJA is recruiting corps and not informing them of active wars in highsec then when the alliance leader is approached about not letting them know he blames them. The killboard is wrought with half fit ships and shit fit ships. (Shield boosted drakes anyone? How about a 300 mil faction fit cyclone?) Does the alliance leadership do anything about it to help the newer corps? NO. Each Corp that joins TJA is on it’s own and gets very little assistance with helping the newer nullsec pilots out. Favorite example “I’ve got a shield fit thorax I’m going to go try to take that cynabal out.”
Join a TJA fleet. Ask for a linked fit because fleet is heading off in 2 minutes. Get ignored by alliance mates and FC. Quit fleet then get bitched at for not being in fleet. Yes feel sorry for the alliance leader please. For that sympathy is wrongly placed.
high sec wars wtf , oh no thats such a massive problem that people wont know about till they get ganked
GET THE HELL OUT OF EVE U TERRIBLE CAREBEAR
O.o
If you need a fitting linked 2 minutes before the fleet is scheduled to leave then you deserve to be purged.
You should always have fitted ships for all doctrines use by your alliance prepared in your hangar and in most places scheduled fleet ops have at least 10-15 minutes formup times (which you should make use of – maybe the FC still needs an additional scout, a cyno, … if everyone joins at the last minute the fleet will be late because sorting that stuff out takes time).
I know about Horus' reputation and I would never join an alliance he has any say in.
However, going by this recording TJA looks as if they should rightfully be a renter alliance and I do feel for Horus for having to deal with these people.
If your primary motivation is to earn a lot of ISK, wtf are you doing trying to hold sov in 0.0?
Get into a c5/c6 wh, do Incursions, join FW or run a farm of missions bots in high-sec.
If your members rely on income from 0.0 you have a problem (as they will either stay home or go broke at every deployment), if your members are in 0.0 for the explicit purpose of getting rich you can give up.
high-sec wardecs, lol – there is no 0.0 alliance that is not war-decced by someone most of the time.
Leadership is for large issues and assistance/guidance. Not to hold hands. Any corp CEO should properly research an alliance before applying. And how is it on leadership that people don't link fits or fly shit fits? All you can do as leadership is punish stupidity after the fact. It's on the masses to help each other in the moment of a situation to alert if a bad call is about to be made. 'OH you flew a shit fit? Let me jump in my time machine and point you on the station to keep you from warping off into a fight.'
This is where thank god our ALliance shines.
NCDOT may have raging drunk Diplos, but we sure as shit have not only right ship types but im confident almost everymember could not only build decent to great fits but explain what they would counter and what they would lose to and why they would.
Our guys truly are great fighters, I am blessed to be with them in alot of ways, and regardless of what is said we help and embrace newer guys all the time, as long as they are willing to learn and commited, we will match there commitment. Ask younger guys in Nexus and Before Null was as good as they are now [they were always good but even better now] most will tell you we are good guys at heart, and yes we verbaly abuse but we do it to eachother 20x more than others, its how we show DA LOVE
Viva La DOT
I can, being a Nexus guy confirm this, a nameless NCDOT guy took me and a buddy out on a roam [4 of us actually]
Took 1.5 hours to explain why fits work the way they do and what has changed in last year alot and why he thinks to train Dessy+BC`s up now etc. He worked out fleet plan`s for true Ahac`s/Nado`s/Rokh`s and really just gave his time to better us.
He was not just kind, but really kicked ass, we gave him 2 Rifter`s and from his request 2 Kitsunes he had a Pimped ASB Tengu and he wolluped small gang after gang basically doing most DPS. We got on 2 faction kills and doubled our KB`s value. He was outnumbered by 2 Vaga`s a Cane and a Hawk, he had us jump in late after he lured them in and after they all aggressed, we webbed down the Vagas and they vanished while he was taking a Cane a Vaga and Hawk`s DMG, he had us all web+ points and killed second vaga, then Cane and Hawk and had us in Kits stay outside range and us tacklers warp in and out so we all remained alive. Amazing micro FCing, and worthy of a video, he didnt call us in until both Vag`s and Cane thought they had an easy mail. then we find out through others he is just as good in a SC.
NCDOT/Nulli are some of the nicest guys once you get in there circle, Its hard making it in, but easiest way is just start flying with them, request Blue just for 2 weeks and show up en masse, or as much as you can and watch these masters of PVP at work.
I have seen RnK vid`s and see PL Super ganks often, it seems like these guys do both very well. They prefer subcap ships but can bring the rain with Supercaps at anytime. As a 6 month old player who dived in head first I feel so lucky to be flying with some of the great pilots in Eve OF ALL TIME. And they arent mean once you get to know them.
This guy at the end bought us all nice sets of Canes+Ham ASB Drakes {To get used of Missile Changes he is having us skip HML`s} and half of us can run 1 type half the other and next time we go out I have a feeling our confidence will soar and we will do alot better than we would have. Point is they got a friend for life, just by spending time and teaching us things from Eve`s equivalent of pro athlete`s.
So Bhunter I totally agree, maybe they should come to the N3 after cleaning there shit up. Just show up ask for a Trial blue and you might end up like us a newb Alli, with now the best Tied with PL, in game who appreciate we only fly tackle, but we want to learn, and love having the opportunity.
anyone else not seeing the recording?
i think its just u bro
You think someone should tell them that 80% of -A- Citzens are -A- alts?
We tried to. Fell on deaf ears.
We tried to. Fell on deaf ears. Xfile thinks he’s going to get a bunch of supers from ex -A- renters.
Can’t say that we didn’t try to tell him. But he seems to think we will get supers from ex -A- renters and much ISK from them as well. *Shrug*
We tried to tell him. He didn’t listen. He thinks TJA will get supers and alot of isk from ex -A- Renters.
y u no get the eu meeting online, it's way more interesting and pure entertainment…..
aye that was a funny meeting.
I've been in TJA 2 years ago and it seems they still got leadership problems.We had drama llammas back then and one was even on this site some time ago Anyway i feel bad for members coz they were fucked at leadership level.Been there done that! Trust me guys get out before leadership fucks you even more. I'm sure there's plenty of space for you in TEST or HBC ranks.
Good luck members
P.S
.i. for leadership
Wanna know what sucks dick about this statement? Montolio has told TEST not to accept any ex TJA members or “be sent to impass with them”
yeah, very dingy leadership.. was with them back in the red alliance vs AAA war… Pathetiq lives up to the name.
There were a lot of newly recruited corps/individuals to TJA (nearly 600 people in the last two weeks). Most of them weren't planning to get dicked over by Pathetiq/XFile. Many would love to go back to TEST / HBC but it looks like that door has been closed by Montolio, etc.
Unclaimed has started grabbing sov in Impass, so it looks like TJA is just going to go from being a TEST pet to a TROLL one.
WHERE IS THE FUCKING RECORDING RIVERINI
They deleted it, so I added the full SOTA, already got backups ^__^
It's amazing how these guys are still around and no1 has pressed the "Fuck You" button yet…
TJA = The Jagged Assbergers
Poor Jagged always seems like the kids everyone has under their heels. They never seem to amount to anything but complete pets.
lol I hope HBC resets the fagged alliance once they're all settled in impass
so wow, have a leadership meeting before the alliance meeting running an alliance 101
jeeze
Yep, that's Puppi all right. There is no mistaking it, the faggoty voice of Xfire is definitely the one of Krall Amarr aka Horus aka A PUPPETMASTER. Everybody should listen to it and memorize it, so if you ever hear it on your alliance TS server it's time to bail out because your alliance is on a collision course with fail.
The usual RMFHorus's alias PUPPETMASTER bullshit !!!
At the end of history will steal all ISK from Holding Corp an some SC or Titan, stay tuned….
Yeah what Toon is he using now? He really is the self proclaimed Botter extraordinaire claiming in a Eve24 exclusive 1.5 years ago, he ran 30 bot accounts at once, and he is reknowned for stealing HUGE HUGE asset amounts, how did h get so rich?
He killed Dead Terrorists, Spire Collective and 10 others before that.
If he is in any role or any decision to move guys in alli I say for your own sakes leave Alli or out the leader and him. Only a matter of time before he gets you all labeled as botters, by dealing with Solar etc to flop sides get a quite part of Rus space and Bot away.
If any of you smart guys on tape are here join Nexus/Nulli/NCDOT side if you can prove you are active and trimm the 800 membes who arent participating. 1 Thing guys like N3 hates are non participants.
NCDOT has 1600 members with 120 member fleets
Nulli very similiar
This means almost 1/10th of there guys at any given moment are ready to produce 1/10th in almost all TZ`s and in there weakest TZ 80ish guys.
Imagine you guys having 200 man fleets daily and bi-daily, get down to a 1/15th amount of guys. Or like a 1k-1200 man alli getting a 80 man fleet up would actualy help and in return you would be safe from most enemies, and you would thrive most likely.
I listened to all this recording and every 10 minutes they speak of how they gonna treat their PET's and how they gonna milk them. I can't believe they call themselves a PVP alliance….Man, I want to rip my hand off just so I could throw something at them for such blossomy……
It's ok Montolio never lies lol
GL with those renters lol
That cocky little prick who's so "very pissed off" is exactly why I run a dictatorship and not a democracy.
wow…that was probably the most depressive recording ive heard,and im not even in that alliance.
guys…just disband and find some alliance with better structure.
Or atleast have more fun..giving away sov to be farmed boxed in by some shitlord "ally" that is gonna farm your ass doesnt really sound like any way to live in eve.
Guest hit the nail on the head there guys…. give it up or u gunna be in a v. shitty position v. soon
i certainly have had fun farming you over the last month though.
Is The Jagged Alliancestill blue to Tribal Band?
I know that Tribal Band is stil blue to The Jagged Alliance but I cant dock in any fucking tribal Band station ffs
Its just a nice way of setting you red.
Someone who`s pissed from TJA please tell me whats up. Is RMFHorus there? If so he will start a Botting Op huge right away and the reason Immensea is such a good idea in his view is Botting. So to me this sounds more like that leader was caught in a botting scam, not that HBC was pissed from renters. Does this make more sense?
Next, Immensea is a terrible place, and I agree with all of you if HBC says NIP that will never mean Blue, that means PL will want to farm your Capitals and expensive ratting ships and since its a NIP and not a NAP[ meaning they will and can kill all ships no matter how large or small ] .
Be very weary guys, IMO try to blue up with a power p there, but the problem is you will now be looked at as meat for PL and AAA will always remember you as guys who took what they consider part of there space, you will kinda be on all shit lists.
My advice is blue up with someone like N3 or some powerhouse down south who is also HBC friendly and that way you may get shot here and there but not full on murdered by both SOLAR, NCDOT/Nulli AAA and also farmed by HBC [including Tiitans, SSuper`s, Caps etc]
Its kind of like prison guys, you have no side you pick in a region as hot as Immensea, that is shit land, but within 15 Jumps of Solar [with TB] AAA, NCDOT/NULLI and HBC, who are all PVPers looking to kill targets you will be basically alone and even if you keep your structures you will get your fleets farmed and be camped in station 12 hours a day.
Sounds like that guy boned you. Im trying to help I do feel bad for all the guys speaking up they sound smart in wanting to know WTF is going on, I havent heard this incompetence and shadow dealings since FA TBH.
Also to corps who have any exp Nulli,NCDOT Nexus and that Coalition will definately take a major chunck of space and you could find your way there If you had good enough talking skils with alot of solid pilots, or if you trimm all the fat, convince them you arent botters get down to 800 guys [Thats what 60 man fleets should be in a low level SP alli 800-1200 get rid of the extra fat and it will be easier to be part of something you are truly proud of.
Did you get any evidence your leader was caught Botting and HBC kicked him for it and he is lying? Not trying to stir shit but something doesnt seem right and im very curious. Sounded like alot of Germans and Euro guys and TBH they probably could have homes in solid Alliances if this goes to shit, if not make a new alliance and join a New smaller coalition and prove yourselves and get equal shares of the pie.
We in NCDOT basically had G5 and maybe 3-4 other systems only to rat in and were fine with it. We made ISK if we had to but alot of guys would be surprised how much PVP will make you, T2 ships with a salvager=1 hour ratting in a 10 minute gang battle
You sound like nice guys now pick a big badass in the prison who is well connected like a Nulli/NCDOT/NEXUS/PANGU/KADESHI and try to join them after you kick that dumbass leader out, or simply reform. That Coalition is small in numbers but has 3rd largest Super Cap fleet in game, im one of there guys…I just feel bad, im really not trying to recruit, some of you sounded like you knew WTF was going on and you were sick of the shit.
Wall of Text but true, so true.
HBC is gonna Farm the shit out of you guys without some "big brother", but no one will want RMF or that leader within 100 jumps of there Sov.
Best you can do, is realize you are being sent to your deaths, where members will be so unhappy they will get stolen to groups like N3 who can fight, all while letting its members have total fun.
Sorry guys your leader traded your SOV for getting his Botting corp caught from the sounds of it. And of course he would tell mont that he wouldnt kick them since its his botting corp.
Run
"Also to corps who have any exp Nulli,NCDOT Nexus and that Coalition will definately take a major chunck of space and you could find your way there If you had good enough talking skils with alot of solid pilots, or if you trimm all the fat, convince them you arent botters get down to 800 guys [Thats what 60 man fleets should be in a low level SP alli 800-1200 get rid of the extra fat and it will be easier to be part of something you are truly proud of."
Seems like there's a LOT of fat to get rid of.
I agree, alot of fat, but first to go needs to be leader.
2nd IMO is they need to get the Carebear beat out of them
What I mean by this is, PVP Alliances like SOV, just like Vince said "We Did want those moons" Vale/Tribute but the hOARDES OF ZOMBIES WERE TO GREAT, you cant hold off the tide forever. But it never broke our backs, we took what we could gained 15-25 Supers and moved on with over what? 10`s of thousands of Bodies on our KB`s, and all while guys here are happy even while losing space, dont be a bear and think SOV is all, its nice yes but only if you can defend it then its a oain in the ass.
Anyways 00 Sec ALlies who survive are the same ones who when they lose there SOV dont quit and rejoin another alli right off, they understand SOV is important, but better location, meaning [Safety, Moons, Plex`s and a safe Logi train] are more important than size of actually owned SOV.
This is why when he gave up a way more protected area, with basicallt little threat to themselves and kept saying What do you want more Al of Immensea or 2 Constellations, I immediately thought he was a Botter, they prize SOV no matter how poor over anything else because they need empty systems to have there bots run in peace.
But like I said NCDOT had basically 3-5 ratting systems in G5 and they were fine with a very very active 1600 member alli. So yes the awnser isQuerious was much better.
Now you will be thrown to the wolves, not only will CVA and AAA fight you, but Solar when bored at off main hourswill kill you as well, on top of the fact that Nulli who is Bro`s with NCDOT who are very tight with PL, want and thingk they earned immensea, so how in the hell did they promise land they dont own? Were there kind of allies vs Solar+AAA want to setup shop?
Let me just tell you if NCDOT grabs andy Sov there you are fucked, PL will tell test no way, are we going to give/fight our true bros who defended our moons in the north vs Solar to give TJA a burnt out cast away the same space.
The leader kept repeating they are blue and have a NIP, and the guys were right in saying thats bullshit its one or the other. From what I read TJA was set to 2.5 until they evacced then they will be neutrals with a NIP pact.
NIP`s unless clearly stated does not mean they have to defend you at all.
Sorry to you good pilots but as I said before SOV is not all, only true carebears care abou SOV to the point of madness, look at Nulli they lost all there space, gained enemies respect, came north fought with another PVP powerhouse learned alot and are now considered Elite fighters and pow now they are co-leading a Coalition who will probably end up with a true NIP with HBC while the PVPers fight Solar, be smart and cut fat and leaders and stay alive, use Nulli as example how, learn to PVP, ask for Temp blue to NCDOT/Nulli and fight fight fight for your space, and gain respect and the world of Eve will open up like never before to you.
TL
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1. IMO Test kicked you out because they caught leaders alt corp Botting. This is why he kept saying no he wouldnt get rid of that corp etc. Because it/was his his money machine. And even if not lets say i twas a legit reason, he didnt tell any leaders what was happening [Im telling you I think its bottin from my gut]
2. Test was kind in letting them evac, leader tried to spin that into see they are still our bro`s when in reality when we crushed the NC we allowed them to evac, so no this means nothing except Test showed great manners.
3. PL/Test wants/Needs targets to kep up morale and killing when AAA starts to hide through the winter, and now will roam Immensea daily and farm all the ratters assuming you even take the space. So what good is space when you are constantly having to safe up with gangs roaming etc, if you even get that far which I doubt.
4. Nulli wants immensea so they can Logi chain to highsec and go deeper south, HBC already proclaimed many times they respect and even want Nulli badly. So who do you think they will side with a military powerhouse they want to recruit or a washed up, leaderless ship that seems to have no confidence in its higher ups?
Like I said save your selves the trouble, try your damnedest to add to Pangu+Nexus as support Alli`s for NCDOT+Nulli, if you can fight for 2 months lets say loyaly I promise with all the space avalible if AAA loses you will get yours, bu as far as immensea goes, I see it going to Nulli and friends and HBC not helping you at all. And they will simply say if you cant take an easy region on your own you arent worth helping.
Point is team up with better PVPers than you and learn how to fight, and you will begin to love it, Every bear in Eve I taught to kill was instantly changed after his KB went from 40%60% with 30 kills to 500 kills and 85-90%.
The team will teach you protect you and remember who stood with them when everything settles down and SOV is stable.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
for a bunch of ppl that talk like there bad ass pvp'ers, they sure worried about getting shot at.
Fucking Null Bears, all of you.
Nubs
Impass, that was the main home of -A-, so TJA is designed to sit in that space, and have their sov protected by the HBC if -A- come out, but are farmed by HBC and others for kills until that happens. The question for any alliance is do you have what it takes to make it work in such a hostile environment. TJA is being set up as a meatshield to prevent -A- from getting back sov and a farming area for the HBC, the question is can they do it?
In terms of the Bot issue, don't know enough to judge, but what I did hear was a CEO pushed into making a quick decision by TEST and any reasonable person not poisoned by other matters would have accepted that despite his earlier promise to agree with the alliance.
ermm… why are all these guys in an alliance together? I did one good thing during my eve career, one day i was in a renter corp who was renting space in querios from FAIL and as soon as they moved themselves to Jagged Alliance i moved myself to fail… now FAIL was fail but not as fail as This alliance if you know what i mean…
Their leader clearly has no guts at all, and these other… i assume leaders… clearly see it and don't like it, obviously they have no other alternative.
What these guys seem to be missing is clearly that Montolio wanted to kick them out and use them as training pvp neighbours tfor his testicles to roam, they would keep them blue until they establish themselves in Impass and become somewhat formidable so its at least some of a challenge.
i invite all of the members of that alliance to disband and become CVA pets or something
its an alliance that reminds me of that NEmesis alliance only much worse… its a wannabie bunch of highsec carebears trying to make it in 0.0 who should really be in an entity like TEST or Goons and if not… remain renters or pets whom the big boys can do whatever they want with oooorrrr get better leadership and become a better organised one with at least some sort of a culture otherwise you will remain a ticking failcascade-bomb that only still exists to piss people off and make yourselves want to quit the game 
im sorry if i seem harsh i don't rly care that much just using the words that make it easier for me to make my point
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actually i also gave intel away about that alliance to Vera Cruz (i think) [who were fighting them daily] including their coms and names of cap pilots and all for which their ceo gave me a 10mill and was all so happy
i normally wouldn't but these guys were just so… uhh i guess the recording gives u an idea of what kind of bunch they are 
they deserve all the nasty lessons of the sandbox and likely they still won't learn anything, they form an alliance together probably because noone else wants to work with them 
'ahh i really didn't mean to be so mean but there u go 
and as for constructive criticism… of u go to EVE University guys and try to learn how to play the game all over again, no really, no shame in that, I might do that myself when i resub
I was until recently a member of TJA. The spin that Xfile aka puppetmaster, etc is spinning is a load of crap.
1. He claims Montolio told him to take Impass, but he was told the contrary. Impasse was to go to an entirely different group, one not even in TEST, but one who is now pissed and actively sharking territory. From what I heard behind closed doors, it was supposed to go to Nulli. Xfile decided to screw over TEST and whoever wanted Impass just to get territory for renters who could help him with his RMT projects.
2. Xfile decided this when other parts of the leadership weren't around. One of the other leaders lived in the path of Hurricane Marsha and is a paramedic, so he had real life issues to deal with. Others were kept out of the loop and pissed after dropping cash to develop querious only to have it seized in retaliation by TEST for taking Impass against TEST's will.
3. Not all in TJA believe Xfile's crap. Many are ready to jump ship, and others are looking for ways to take a pound of flesh as they go.
4. Xfile is trying to tell TJA members that TEST has and will not have any interest of turning around on them and kicking their ass back to the stone age. He thinks that TEST will just chase -a- wherever they go and that when they do, TJA will be ignored to carebear as they please.
5. Most fleet action in TJA has all but died out. In alliance over the last few days, there has been begging for people to join fleets to shoot down structures, some not even getting more than a dozen members. For those interested, mornings in US TZ would be an opportune time to go in and wipe the floor with halfass structure shooting ships…
There's plenty of more behind the scenes, but I am tired of Xfile thinking he is untouchable in his command. He's spinning shit, and sadly some are buying into it. The intelligent ones are getting out now before TEST/-a-/Nulli/npc rats wipe the floor with TJA. Can't really say I'll be sad to see it happen…
They are set blue to the HBC, at +2.5 so no fleet access