It appears there is a bit of unrest in the HBC.
Today marks the first alliance expelled from the HBC. The Jagged Alliance has been removed from the HBC for “cultural” reasons.
The following is a coalition wide announcement from Montolio:
Friends, I bring news!
The Jagged Alliance has been removed from the Honey Badger Coalition for.. ‘cultural’ reasons. you can check the corporation history on dotlan for some examples. They’ve had various other issues over the past few weeks leading up to this decision as well (notably an executor being banned for botting).
As I said in some of the earlier SOTA around the formation of the HBC: we are a community. We are not a shelter for homeless pets, we are not a feudal kingdom, we are a community. The Jagged Alliance did not fit into the community.
TJA was given two options:
1. Drop sov in Querious and focus on Impass, get a NIP from the HBC for Impass
2. Be considered hostile to the HBC
They correctly selected option 1. As such in this transition period to their new home in Impass they will be set to +2.5 by all HBC alliances (blocking fleet access), lose all coalition IT services, and be allowed adequate time to evacuate assets to NPC space or Impass.
#### SENT BY Montolio to All online hbc @ 2012-11-04 09:17:08 EVE Time ####
The Jagged Alliance has already lost their Sov in Querious and Test has reobtained it.
-Exversion
TEST fetched all good members, time to get rid of the useless shit! Who is next? Tribal Band? Raiden.? Init.?
OR PL!!!
b0rt.
PL ? i don't think so cuz TEST IS SHIT without PL !!
Once all members are in TEST why do you need a dead Corp/Alliance? But srsly. PL is not in danger as long as Shadoo sucks on the TEST nipple, in 0.0 PL without the BLOB is nothing.
Honestly PL is shit without TEST – PLan alliance of over 1000, has been reduced to less than 40 active players multiboxing Supers and Titans. You simply can't do that without TEST's support. Without TEST PL would be going the way of Raiden lots of toys with no way to use them. As soon as TEST gets some competent FC's PL will provide significantly less value to the coalition. PL is the Florida of Eve – it's where the old go to die (or in this case stop playing and continue to post on Kugu)
Tribal is next
Get fucked in the North by Goons, get fucked in the South by HBC. Now go join so other CFC coalition to get fucked again and never learn your lesson: CFC always fucks you in the END. Watch out Raiden./Init. and all the other CFC/HBC pets.
There is a logic behind Montolio's diplomatic acts.
1) attract an alliance to HBC
2) show their members how they can enjoy participating on fleets led by PL
3) when members of the alliance get used to easy winning, deny this to them… as members of the alliance who is removed for "cultural" or whateverelse reasons
4) many pilots of affected alliance like being on the winning side -> so they move to TEST, where their participation on winning is assured
Once Montolio realizes that HBC alliance become too succesfull in recruiting "potential TEST members", or thinks that it is the right time (when large part of target alliance becomes loyal more to easy victories rather than their alliance), he blames the alliance leadership and removes them from HBC. Of course, there is always a message hidden behind this act, saying "general membership of this alliance is cool, its just their leaders with whom we have cultural misunderstandings." Just like here – message is clear> we are unhappy with your executor, not you dear TJA members, so your executor must move to Impass, but you are cool, feel free to apply to join TEST!!!
LOL, NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES
Thats what your get for joining the blob, you literally gave up your power by joining the HBC blob expecting easy fights and protection. You and your alliance get fat/addicted on easy victory, protection, and ratting, then HBC decides your alliance grunts only need one master and kick you and your "culture"(alliance) but allows your grunts to continue to enjoy the good life under their direct control or else be cast out into the cold dark universe
So you shouldn't be too shocked when the guys with all the power decide to take yours from you
Power respects power, a master will never share power with his pet's "leadership"… PERIOD
All you other shamed whore alliance heads that joined HBC and became utter hypocrites after crying about the goon blobs for years, have a good look at Jagged, YOU'RE NEXT!
Wow thank you for sharing your valuable insights, the opinion on nullsec politics from veldspar miners and l4 runners is always useful
Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking. You're points are valid mate, well said
Man I really need to lay off the salad tossing
HIGH SEC. IS NEXT !
Yeah, except any TEST corp taking in TJA members is getting booted over it. Funnily enough it hasn't happened yet
That explains Montolio broadcasting a blanket ban on recruiting ex TJA then.
This makes alot more sense to me TBh than the other AAA propaganda about Nulli being GSF Pets etc etc.
It is an age old tactic back to my grandfather Harold Hardrada used he was a Viking stud who united warring clans and formed the first Viking "Free Companies" [merc groups]
He would grab a band of weaker less organized mercs say 50-60 compared to his 500ish, let them fight side by side and really slaughter the enemy and take a crown here and there, then find a reason to hate the leader and say he was ruining morale. Then he would tell the old leader you and your men can leave in peace [alive] but your men hve proven themselves and those that can stay may stay but offer is only good this one time….All the sudden he had 549 men
They learned to respect him more, and by this he was then able to become more of the leader they wanted.
So TEST will keep alot of Jagged guys, then by there numbers increasing they will be happy they stayed, and the next group will not see say 20k guys but 22k guys and it will be more appealing.
Very smart Goons does it all the time as well
Funny part is, that TJA is being told that they do not contribute… I am roaming TEST territory quite often, and tbh, average TJA pilot is far more competent than average TEST pilot. And lack of contribution can barely be an argument, as I met ex-AAA pilot, who was telling me how cool TEST is, that -A- is stupid because there are some CTAs all the time that one must attend and have PVP results, while he now as a TEST member is over six months there, made billions farming anoms and didnt have to attend single CTA, and TEST are not forcing anyone to do that because their leadership is so cool. I believe -A- leadership doesn't have to worry about losing members like that guy.
And for TJA – well guys, sorry losing you in D+Q, sometimes you were really nice targets.
-A- Pilot's post is asking a valid question, no need for downvotes.
According to CFC and HBC culture" no individual pilot should be forced to attend any fleet operations. However, in both coalitions the fleet participation of all alliances (and of corporations within the main alliance) is monitored closely and there will be a reaction if it is found to be lacking.
In -A- and friends it is the responsibility of each individual pilot to show up for fleets and he will get kicked if he doesn't.
In CFC + HBC it is the responsibility of each corp/alliance to make their pilots *want* to show up for fleets and if they don't manage to do that they will be kicked.
That sounds very hard on alliance leadership – they are not allowed to pass the pressure they feel when not enough of their pilots join fleets on to their members but both coalitions assist their corp/alliance CEOs in that task by providing a lot of high-quality bloc-level propaganda.
As long as the alliance does not recruit too many pilots that have no interest in pvp whatsoever they will usually be fine.
However, if there is a problem with participation, this policy forces the CEOs to make the game more interesting for their members (or get kicked and have most of their members join other alliances within the coalition who succeed at making people want to log in and join fleets) which results in a better game for everyone.
A better game for the members of those active alliances, anyway. That sounds like it 'really' sucks for the alliance and corp leaders.
I guess it kinda grates on me that the vast majority of players in the HBC/CFC are simply served up content in what's supposed to be a sandbox game. Although having been in a few alliances I can totally understand that. The majority of players just won't do anything without endless posted ops and a narrative (no matter how ridiculous) being written for them.
That wouldn't have anything to do with you being in NCdot would it?
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Indeed, who will be next. It is hard to be a Goon pet, you newer know when your number will turn up to be made an example for “cultural incompatibility”
Especially dickish of test to keep them in while they still had full blown war with -A-, and now discard them like useup toilet paper when they no longer need them. But apparently pets are easy to get nowdays, they just added Nulli in to their stable, so why keep likes of YA.
Lol dont spin this into a Nulli is a TEST pet, that i just ludacris and hillarious, when we fought against SOLAR Nulli was fired on by PL when we brought PL in for the huge SC trap.
I agree GSF cant be trusted and really am leary about HBC and not sure if they are seperate or really controled by GSF, but I do know this if Nulli was an HBC PET and HBC i ran by GSF they are the worst Pet in history, together we killed 30 thousand Drakes from GSF together in this war NCDOT and Nulli=Worst pets ever, they bite there masters hard lol`s.
Infact if they were kicked for botting, why not go approach AAA I hear they are ok with it, ask CCP
So by doing this you dont think Nulli has become Test pet?
Nulli moves in the location test needs someone to move, Nulli is going to take space around the same areas test has been taking space but is getting bored/ dont want that space.
There is 0% chance Nulli and test is not working together at some level, andif Nuli is doing test's bidding = Nuli is Test pet.
Half of hbc is not even friendly to GSF…..
Yeah, tho might not have standings, but the second some hbc corp / ally shoots GSF in away that they dont like, GSF sends orders down, and PL + TEST will make sure that what ewer GSF wants, happens.
Leetcheese was banned one time for botting and had several minus billions for a while… just saying because Monti felt the need to mention botting,
Leetcheese was also stripped of all his roles, and space fired.
It was more then a year later that he was allowed anything, and that was only because he played BC2 with PL nearly everynight.
Shoot 'neutrals', get kicked from coalition.
CFC alliance, best alliance
I agree!! Try to fuck us and you get an elephant up your ass.
not as "we" do, Daimer is right, look at past history with Test and other so called "friends"
Jag is probably aiming to becoming the next TEST or GSF, based on their recruitment rate. =P
that may be the real reason why they were removed.
TEST & GSF wants to retain the top spot.
Krall amarr…
Never not leak badgerden jabber and have Horus as an alliance exec.
TJA – the official gutter sluts of EVE.
1) They will attempt to grind Impass for TEST – As leadership is desperate for Sov and relevance.
2) Test will kick them out if they are in fact successful.
3) Test will siphon off corps and members like they did with other "Bros" – as they did with Viking Empire.
Ehm pls get your facts straight Viking Empire was disbanded because I was feed up with over half the alliance not doing what needed to be done and the half that cared enough to actually try and have fun in this game .. they came along for a trail out in TEST Friends and are now in TEST. The shitty rest that just wanted to rat well they are now renter somewhere.
And the shit that JAGGED pulled… leaking highest level command channel jabber logs toying around with standings and shit and their alliance CEO getting banned well.. DOES ANYONE SERIOUSLY WANT THAT KIND OF SHIT IN THEIR COALITION? They deserve what they got maybe they're not all shit but their leadership is rotten to the core and montolio is the most chill guy I've ever come across to get him angry to the point where he goes FUCK IT .. believe me it takes allot.
shut up baki
nice name sorry to disappoint you but if a branch of 12 year old's or 18 year old's that are mentally at a level of a 8 year old hate me I think I can deal with that just fine:)
Nobody hates you Baki. They simply don't respect you.
Clearly that must hurt me v0v getting respect in a shitty video game oh boy.. if I craved the respect of dumb shits and retarded 8 year old's I'd even try to be nice to these dumb fags.
Never Stop Poasting.
"DOES ANYONE SERIOUSLY WANT THAT KIND OF SHIT IN THEIR COALITION? "
I think I remember a corporation lead by some dude who did openly boast about the income he derived from renting out space to known botters and RMT firms…
There is nothing wrong with renting out space to the highest bidder if they happen to be RMT farms not my problem its CCP's deal with it.
Wow! Look at the high standards for allies Test suddenly developed! How convenient. BTW do you plan to apply those standards to JAG alone or to other southern goon pets too, or, I hope not, Test itself?
Baki Yuku complaining about CEOs getting banned for botting? Wait what?
BAKI – You stole the ISK and Test stole the members – You had the same shity opportunistic attitude that pervades the HBC –
Viking – First to flip…First to Fold
As shitty as TJA is Viking was orders of magnitude worse.
Stealing would only apply if you take something that issnt yours as alliance exec alliance isk was mine to begin with want me to feel remorse for that? Are you dumb? And TEST did not steal anything you dumb fuck.
STFU you fucking F1 numbtard.
they may be the "official gutter sluts of EVE" but you still live off of the scraps that fall off of their table lma0
+5 TItans in the past 2 months, I'm living pretty good then on the scraps of that fell of their table v0v
LOL you don't have a table. Monti took that back. TJA is a joke. simply look at Your alliance history. Over 230 corps have joined and left Let me repeat that astonishing number… TWO HUNDRED THIRTY… You have 34 current corps and 33 have less than 6 months in your shithole alliance. The executor corp is the only one with tenure since 2009.
evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/The_Jagged_All…
Even a cursory glance would tell anyone this alliance is complete shit. If you think Monti thought otherwise you're a fool. TJA's fate was sealed from the beginning.
-A- members would rather eat scraps than be a hand fed pet in the TEST / PL zoo.
As for 'Cultural Reasons' they will soon banish all PETS give them the option to:
Grind sov for them so they (HBC) don't have to waste time on it and they may keep it for sometime until they getting farmed by HBC.
or
Getting farmed immediately.
The backstabbing has began!
It looks like the history repeat itself, might be smart to start getting out of the fire.
GRIND THE -A- SHIT FOR US! RIGHT MEOW!
Montolio: "Shadoo! Ma Niggas are so tired of grinding -A- sov, please help!!!"
Shadoo: "C'mon we ain't ya niggas! We killed FOUR SUPERS yesterday. Now come back to bed"
Montolio: "But .. but… okay but this time I'm on top!!!"
Shadoo: "No! Ya ma nigga.."
—- 2mins later —-
Montolio: "I'm no statisfied! I need more niggas! Ohh look my darling, THERE IS NULLI to be had!"
Shadoo: "Finally, we got more niggas! Kick the old once!"
Don't think Shadoo is a homo, I'm open to correction though
IDK, remember how Michael Bolton III got PL to Blue TEST?
OH OH OH, and they were both at FanFest. HOW SCANDALOUS.
being homo is cool as long as you are black, wear a trench coat and carry a badass shotgun.
Confirmed Omar made gay cool again
Almost forgot the EX-ROL corps, who thought backstabbing ROL and going to TJA was a excellent plan to help HBC.
Guess what happened. (Seems it's smart to believe HBC propaganda.. derp)
it was only 1 corp that joined them from ROL.
All the rest went to TROLL (Unclaimed.)
Well, they got what they had coming too:
a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=85…
Guess what will happen to TROLL?
CONFRMING !!!
ALL GREEN, SUPERGREEN; !!!!
To all the IMP-L corps who left for TJA in the past week or so:
Ha. Ha. Ha.
the fact remains that imp-l is plagued by incompetent leadership and a coalition who realizes this. should solar win the war against red alliance, gimp-l will not recieve its space back, solar will put a competent alliance in that space.
You really like saying gimp-l, don't you?
Yeah I think Soar are reasonably safe as far as RA are concerned as from what people within that alliance are saying things are not the greatest there at the moment & there very possibly could be some changes coming very soon from what is being talked about in the russian forums
Must be the same butt hurt child that left oh so long ago. How you have done nothing of notice and no one pays any attention to you.
I feel sorry for you for still being in IMP-L
How is the worthless leadership and lack of PvP knowledge going among the Solar Pets.
I am in imp-l, and as one of the few small gang pvprs here I will say it is shit. There is no FC structure worth the name, and a general lack of desire of the members to actually try to pvp against targets that shoot back. The only alliance organized ops are generally total failures. Without the drone coallition imp-l have nothing.
Then leave! Be a man and either step up or gtfo. Don't need worthless whiners like you.
Krall Amarr/rfm Horus/A PUPPETMASTER banned for botting and RMT again
the next is Thranodi and Blood and Sand(Tribal Band)
o/
o/ even
Seeing as jagged was full of Awoxers, had a million corps coming and going, got executors banned for botting ectectectect.
Shit alliance got kicked.
Krall Amarr/rfm Horus/A PUPPETMASTER banned for botting and RMT again
Fair enough, but nobody should be blue to Horus, that's just asking for trouble.
Well its obvious that TJA is shit, when they recruit FUSEN…. almost as bad as MV or hirr.
Fusen, a corp that doesn't know the difference between a SBU and a TCU, doesn't know that you can't do drive by DD's anymore and that's just there fuck ups in the past month.
They will be a perfect match with jagged.
Very sad story, first they left RAWR for the ones who kicked us out of Tribute of all people, then to I'm Really Crap only to go to IMP-L, leave in shame again and end up with TJA that get kicked out of Querious. How can this get any worse?!
Almost as bad as you radakos you junkie lol try harder cunt
Was it pathetiq that got banned? Don't remember him to be the type to bot. I know he did buy isk though… Oh well guess things change. However, I do totally understand the "cultural differences." Path could be a tool. He always tried to run his alliance like a dictator. He never could figure out that it was a game a people do the things they do because it was fun. Oh well. good luck to the rest of the jagged members.
I think the one who got banned is Krall Amarr aka Horus aka The Puppetmaster, EVE's king od botting and RMT. Yes, he has moved his operation to TEST/HBC a few months before the Delve war. He's been bankrolling TJA since then and had an executor spot. His char in the TJA holding corp is XFile 666, but dunno if he's the one who got banned. Knowing the corrupting influence he can have, it's not improbable that he has managed to convert someone else to his botting/RMTing ways, especially an alliance like TJA which craves power but lacks the ability and skills. People often think that ISK can cure that so I would not be surprised if he converted the TJA leadership to his ways with the promise of making them an important player in EVE politics.
And just before you guys try to say that TEST has decided to fight botting/RMTing, no they have not. As far as I know this lovers spat happened for entirely different reasons and has nothing to do with the banning of said executor. Krall Amarr aka Horus aka The Puppetmaster is firmly ingrained in the HBC tissue and political structure, he has at least one more botting operation going within HBC (in Tribe) that I know of, and probably more. They've also got the botting crew from Viking Empire which have joined Test en grupe.
Interesting info, thx.
Could you make a report about this and submit it to EN24 for publication, I think they pay some ISK for articles they publish.
They pay in PLEX, to be exact: 2x PLEX
Good effort, confirming other people know about this. Its a public secret among people that spend more than 1 hour per day in nullsec
There is nothing wrong with automating dumb game mechanics.. its only wrong and dumb if you use public stuff and leak to knowledge to write you own shit because public shit will get you hazed. Besides only dumb fucks bot in 0.0 when there is so much more profit to be made botting in WH's at lesser risks.
Left TJA a day before this even happend… i didnt know what the fuck was going on nor did I know anything about this shit… i feel smart
TEST: Hey guys, get yourself over there to Impass and fight -A-
TJA: But, it''s nice over here making ISK in a sea of blue that you created
TEST: But we tell you to go and fight!
TJA:But we don't want to
TEST: Ok then we will make you. Go fight them or you'll have to fight us
TJA: Allright, we are deploying to Impasse. Happy now?
TEST: No, keep doing our dirty work and we will see.
Welcome to the HBC community
TJA shot alot of blues.. u know any country/community WHATSOEVER where "friendly fire" is tollerated?
Under CFC Rule: Shoot Blues, tell Vile Rat
Under HBC Rule: Shoot Neuts, "you dumb niggers"
And of course test _never_ever_ shot blues.
Weren't blue to tja were they?
Where is impass again? Maybe a nice pocket to BOT in? GSF/AAA could teach em
It is very simple: you behave like a brat, leak stuff, don't contribute and then you even try to fuck around with the CFC in the north = kick in the ass
the first things u say are understandable, but not fucking around with cfc? cmon wheres the fun?
It's about being an adult… TJA is bahaving like a brat with ADHD. CFC is neutral to large part of HBC. In the same time they are a friendly side. Camping their staging system is stupid and pointless. Shooting them in low sec or making small roams through their systems is not a problem.
we used to have a corp in our alliance. Decalred pvp'ers who never showed up in fleets or roams never used alliance comms but had huge plans, fleet doctrines and ambitions. All they did was recruting whoever applied in hi sec, camping gates in low sec and leaking alliance mail to eve skunk. The left us for TJA… good match.
Bad Dog! Get in your crate!
PUPPETMASTER AKA HORUS AKA STI CAZZI, NE HAI COMBINATA UN ALTRA DELLE TUE PER FARTI CACCIARE DA MONTEDOLIVA; RTM NN TI DIVERTE PIU, DOVE SONO QUEI 100BOT, QUEI TRILLION CHE TI PORTANO LA FELICITA?
MA NN ERI TE CHE DISBANDAVA LE ALLI; XKE NN PROVI CON I TEST?
SEI VERAMENTE L ULTIMO PUPPA, NASCONDITI NEL BARATRO DELL OBLIO!
SESFAN QU'LAH EST OPTIMUS LOCO IS IN VESTRI BIO SI VOS CONGRUO
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So TJA was too full of faggots for TEST? Jesus Christ…
Have Horus in alliance? Check.
Get accounts banned for RMT? Check.
Recruit all of IMP-L? Check.
Failscade? Imminent.
Helloo Jagged Alliance, ever wonder why you weren`t kick when PL needed more bodies for fight against -A-?
Oh no don´t be mistaken, TEST is not the one behind decision making its PL who calls all the shots, Montolio is just a puppet and mouth to relay the message. PL is cancer of EVE, they have attached themselves to body of TEST to suck all the juices from their young bodies, as they have runed out of their own long ago. They NEED TEST to keep them young because its the only way to still exist as an entity.
Once they get done with them, they will leave their empty carcass to rot in the void of space and move on to another victim for sinister cosmetic purposes.
Montolio is just a pupet, another zombified human being who wll do PL bidding right up to the big dissapointment when he gets tossed away like everyone else in the PLs past and on that day, on that day i shall pour myself a glass of best vine from Tash Murkon prime and enjoy the spectacle because oh ym spectacle it shall be.
but it's -a- that at the end of the day doesn't help their allies…at least we don't straight throw them under the bus.
gg Montolio, keep it up.
Yeah no IRC handy for HBC so pets must pay.
Its pretty funny tho
Confirming an -a- poster is lecturing another alliance for mistreating their 'pets' and accepting botters. Been cancelling any CTAs due to your logistics guys being banned for RMT lately? How about satisfied former pets turning on you?
makalu , u did drive your alliance on the verge of collaps , so shut the fuck up.
Hey Darwin,
Hey you. STOP POSTING YOU'RE CRAP AT IT