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	<title>Comments on: PLEX Has Zero Elasticity- The Runaway Horse</title>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-157226</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you are completely IGNORING the option players have just opting NOT to buy a PLEX at all. No one is forcing anyo9ne to play EVE or running all the their accounts every single month.I have 3 active account I fund on a regular basis and have access to or occasionally fund 2 others. I fund them based on my involved in Eve at that time and what specific activities ingame I am involved with. Sometimne I am just too busy in RL to play Eve at all and they all get idled. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are completely IGNORING the option players have just opting NOT to buy a PLEX at all. No one is forcing anyo9ne to play EVE or running all the their accounts every single month.I have 3 active account I fund on a regular basis and have access to or occasionally fund 2 others. I fund them based on my involved in Eve at that time and what specific activities ingame I am involved with. Sometimne I am just too busy in RL to play Eve at all and they all get idled. </p>
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		<title>By: dikreathz</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-157163</link>
		<dc:creator>dikreathz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 05:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well i am capable of paying for all 4 accounts, i choose not to and make more than is needed for the two accounts I use plex for (by blasting rocks), so there are ppl that enjoy grinding, if i wanted boom i would be more active in a null sec alliance, (or playing Supreme commander) difference in high sec and O.o mentallity  
 
and if you note there has been a huge influx of plex, but demand has remained steady, last night alone i spoke to 6 different ppl all running 3-4 accounts, all high sec all miners, looking at forums ppl are overjoyed about the mackinaw&#039;s and thier yield,  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i am capable of paying for all 4 accounts, i choose not to and make more than is needed for the two accounts I use plex for (by blasting rocks), so there are ppl that enjoy grinding, if i wanted boom i would be more active in a null sec alliance, (or playing Supreme commander) difference in high sec and O.o mentallity  </p>
<p>and if you note there has been a huge influx of plex, but demand has remained steady, last night alone i spoke to 6 different ppl all running 3-4 accounts, all high sec all miners, looking at forums ppl are overjoyed about the mackinaw&#039;s and thier yield,  </p>
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		<title>By: meskia</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-157064</link>
		<dc:creator>meskia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i hope the plex prices goes up even more , good thing all those pesties alts are closing. more iskies when sell plex ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope the plex prices goes up even more , good thing all those pesties alts are closing. more iskies when sell plex </p>
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		<title>By: John Douche</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-157058</link>
		<dc:creator>John Douche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saying Plexers are the more dedicated and active players is a bit of a joke ... 
 
If they had the money would they less often run after the ISK, but could play EVE in a different way. Each month do they need to dedicate time to making ISK with no real choice if they want to avoid paying for EVE. Some of them spend their weekends mining afk over tens of hours only to get enough ISK in to pay for the next month, while others are having a blast in large fights and destroy large amounts of ISK at the same time. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying Plexers are the more dedicated and active players is a bit of a joke &#8230; </p>
<p>If they had the money would they less often run after the ISK, but could play EVE in a different way. Each month do they need to dedicate time to making ISK with no real choice if they want to avoid paying for EVE. Some of them spend their weekends mining afk over tens of hours only to get enough ISK in to pay for the next month, while others are having a blast in large fights and destroy large amounts of ISK at the same time. </p>
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		<title>By: dikreathz</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-156728</link>
		<dc:creator>dikreathz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 05:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you are right in say mac do not contribute isk, but to someone like myself have given the ability to mine several chars with less interaction due to large ore hold, this means the level of ISK i now have means i can PLEX, ppl that didnt have that much isk before are now coming into more ISK  
 
there has been a shift and mining has increased, ore prices have not shifted because if it loers ppl cant plex and thus dont mine. theres a new equilibrium forming there accounting for a small fraction of plexers (but plexers that were not there before) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are right in say mac do not contribute isk, but to someone like myself have given the ability to mine several chars with less interaction due to large ore hold, this means the level of ISK i now have means i can PLEX, ppl that didnt have that much isk before are now coming into more ISK  </p>
<p>there has been a shift and mining has increased, ore prices have not shifted because if it loers ppl cant plex and thus dont mine. theres a new equilibrium forming there accounting for a small fraction of plexers (but plexers that were not there before) </p>
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		<title>By: Terrible Poaster</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-156597</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrible Poaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 04:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[macs have *nothing* to do with PLEX prices. 
 
macs are not ISK faucets. People mine, sell ore for ISK from other players. If there is too much supply, price falls. Look at the isotope market and how it collapsed over last month or so. I&#039;m a little surprised the same didn&#039;t happen in mineral market yet, although high ends like zydrine and megacyte collapsed despite of drone droppings. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>macs have *nothing* to do with PLEX prices. </p>
<p>macs are not ISK faucets. People mine, sell ore for ISK from other players. If there is too much supply, price falls. Look at the isotope market and how it collapsed over last month or so. I&#039;m a little surprised the same didn&#039;t happen in mineral market yet, although high ends like zydrine and megacyte collapsed despite of drone droppings. </p>
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		<title>By: Terrible Poaster</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-156595</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrible Poaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 04:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People use PLEX to buy game time are in 2 camps, 
 
   * unable to pay for game (I suspect very small minority) 
   * unwilling to spend more $$$ on the game 
 
I&#039;m squarely in the latter corner. I haven&#039;t paid for Eve for years (since 32-day GT existed and cost was 120m ISK). As price of PLEX went up and CCP changed with war mechanics, I simply abandoned some alts. So yes, PLEX prices are elastic, but to make EVE impossible to pay with PLEX, the price would need to go past about 2B ISK. And by that time, there will be other problems quite evident. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People use PLEX to buy game time are in 2 camps, </p>
<p>   * unable to pay for game (I suspect very small minority)<br />
   * unwilling to spend more $$$ on the game </p>
<p>I&#039;m squarely in the latter corner. I haven&#039;t paid for Eve for years (since 32-day GT existed and cost was 120m ISK). As price of PLEX went up and CCP changed with war mechanics, I simply abandoned some alts. So yes, PLEX prices are elastic, but to make EVE impossible to pay with PLEX, the price would need to go past about 2B ISK. And by that time, there will be other problems quite evident. </p>
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		<title>By: -a- pet</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-156559</link>
		<dc:creator>-a- pet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[until i go buy 50 plex because i can to mess with peoples predictions  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>until i go buy 50 plex because i can to mess with peoples predictions  </p>
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		<title>By: Just Bob</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-156475</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 04:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think lots of things have an influence on the price. 
FW(and Incursions in the past) 
AURUM 
Turny now require PLEX 
Overall everyone over time starting to learn how to make money themselves. 
World Econ generally down(less people selling PLEX) 
I also get the impression that the EVE player base has grown a little bit(Publicity from dust actually has brought people over) 
Few people can just stop paying for accounts with PLEX, they need and want all the accounts to have fun in game, and make money easier. Some people will stop using PLEX for their account, but most people who want to continue to play, will have to continue to pay( Inelasticity ) 
So pretty much the things mentioned here. 
Yeah I can honestly see GOONS fucking with the price, but I dont actually think they are. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think lots of things have an influence on the price.<br />
FW(and Incursions in the past)<br />
AURUM<br />
Turny now require PLEX<br />
Overall everyone over time starting to learn how to make money themselves.<br />
World Econ generally down(less people selling PLEX)<br />
I also get the impression that the EVE player base has grown a little bit(Publicity from dust actually has brought people over)<br />
Few people can just stop paying for accounts with PLEX, they need and want all the accounts to have fun in game, and make money easier. Some people will stop using PLEX for their account, but most people who want to continue to play, will have to continue to pay( Inelasticity )<br />
So pretty much the things mentioned here.<br />
Yeah I can honestly see GOONS fucking with the price, but I dont actually think they are. </p>
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		<title>By: Dirk MacGirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk MacGirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t judge supply/demand based on the volume traded. So much of the traded volume is related to people trying to play the market rather than just people buying to plex accounts.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#039;t judge supply/demand based on the volume traded. So much of the traded volume is related to people trying to play the market rather than just people buying to plex accounts.  </p>
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		<title>By: Dirk MacGirk</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/11/plex-has-zero-elasticity-the-runaway-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-156435</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk MacGirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to posit that there is elasticity, but it is elasticity of supply. Prices for plex are the most market driven in the game and are based almost exclusively on actual supply and demand factors and the market is liquid enough to avoid massive attempts at manipulation. My belief is that the demand side for plex remains generally steady with a slight upward bias. The subscriber base doesnt seem to be growing very much and there is no real need to buy more plex than needed to fund accounts for more than a month or two. Obviously events like the tournament, power of two, vid cards and the like will temporarily increase demand. But hoarding of future game time is unlikely, especially during a period when plex prices are moving sharply higher. Buyers tend to buy tome as needed and are unlikely to store up when chances are the price will come down or at least moderate.  
 
However, the supply side is what I believe is truly driving the price. There is simply not enough plex coming into the game to satisfy existing demand. I know that sounds simple - supply lags demand and price increases.  But all things being equal, the simple explanation is most often correct. One would think that with plex above 600 that this would induce more players to buy isk with real money, this leading to an increase in supply in game. But given the current economic conditions in the real world, coupled with (perhaps) fewer players looking to plex that shiny new super, the supply just isn&#039;t materializing.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to posit that there is elasticity, but it is elasticity of supply. Prices for plex are the most market driven in the game and are based almost exclusively on actual supply and demand factors and the market is liquid enough to avoid massive attempts at manipulation. My belief is that the demand side for plex remains generally steady with a slight upward bias. The subscriber base doesnt seem to be growing very much and there is no real need to buy more plex than needed to fund accounts for more than a month or two. Obviously events like the tournament, power of two, vid cards and the like will temporarily increase demand. But hoarding of future game time is unlikely, especially during a period when plex prices are moving sharply higher. Buyers tend to buy tome as needed and are unlikely to store up when chances are the price will come down or at least moderate.  </p>
<p>However, the supply side is what I believe is truly driving the price. There is simply not enough plex coming into the game to satisfy existing demand. I know that sounds simple &#8211; supply lags demand and price increases.  But all things being equal, the simple explanation is most often correct. One would think that with plex above 600 that this would induce more players to buy isk with real money, this leading to an increase in supply in game. But given the current economic conditions in the real world, coupled with (perhaps) fewer players looking to plex that shiny new super, the supply just isn&#039;t materializing.  </p>
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		<title>By: Corteztk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corteztk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry Dani but I&#039;m not wrong. You seem to have inferred quite a bit about my beliefs from a very short paragraph I wrote. The plex market plex&quot;s 100k accounts per month approximately. That is 1.2million plex a year. Every year there is one tournament. This year there are two. 
 
A tournament takes up maybe 500 to 2000 plex. That is a rounding error in a 1.2 million plex market. So my point is that a one (or two) time shock that small will have no meaningful long term effect on the plex market. It may have a small effect for one or two days but not on the long term. Economics 101 my friend I can recommend you a nice school. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sorry Dani but I&#039;m not wrong. You seem to have inferred quite a bit about my beliefs from a very short paragraph I wrote. The plex market plex&quot;s 100k accounts per month approximately. That is 1.2million plex a year. Every year there is one tournament. This year there are two. </p>
<p>A tournament takes up maybe 500 to 2000 plex. That is a rounding error in a 1.2 million plex market. So my point is that a one (or two) time shock that small will have no meaningful long term effect on the plex market. It may have a small effect for one or two days but not on the long term. Economics 101 my friend I can recommend you a nice school. </p>
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		<title>By: dikreathz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dikreathz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plexers, they pay by being in game and plexing adding to the markets and community, they are ussually the more dedicated (or more active players) i myself plex 2 account and pay for 2, at 600mil i bought plex to sell, mining has made me enough to plex well now easily 2bil a month, macks allow for better AFK mining now and I am sure FW has also had a similar effect,  
 
at the end of the day less ppl are buying plex to sell for isk... subs are cheaper. and there is more ISK in EDEN so prices will fly and when macks are fixed and FW gets the nerf bat there will be less ISK and the market will crash. 
 
already the news hype has increased the PLEX availible on the market as of last night 2211 plex for sale vs the 3572 or so offers to buy, slowing inflation, but certainly prices will rise again before the next expantion then the market will even out again (at a higher price, plex only ever gains due to cocsistant demand)  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plexers, they pay by being in game and plexing adding to the markets and community, they are ussually the more dedicated (or more active players) i myself plex 2 account and pay for 2, at 600mil i bought plex to sell, mining has made me enough to plex well now easily 2bil a month, macks allow for better AFK mining now and I am sure FW has also had a similar effect,  </p>
<p>at the end of the day less ppl are buying plex to sell for isk&#8230; subs are cheaper. and there is more ISK in EDEN so prices will fly and when macks are fixed and FW gets the nerf bat there will be less ISK and the market will crash. </p>
<p>already the news hype has increased the PLEX availible on the market as of last night 2211 plex for sale vs the 3572 or so offers to buy, slowing inflation, but certainly prices will rise again before the next expantion then the market will even out again (at a higher price, plex only ever gains due to cocsistant demand)  </p>
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		<title>By: mararinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mararinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 06:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For HBC to turn on Goons, Test would have to know how to act on their own volition. 
 
Are they capable of making up their own agenda? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For HBC to turn on Goons, Test would have to know how to act on their own volition. </p>
<p>Are they capable of making up their own agenda? </p>
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		<title>By: mararinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mararinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 06:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PLEX is not merely consumable, it is required to keep accounts alive. From the point of view of an EVE Online account, PLEX is indeed food. 
 
You are not thinking four dimensionally, Marty. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEX is not merely consumable, it is required to keep accounts alive. From the point of view of an EVE Online account, PLEX is indeed food. </p>
<p>You are not thinking four dimensionally, Marty. </p>
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