Excessive exposure to magic and chainmail bikinis along the way led to a fascination with unusual topics that cloning technology just couldn’t cure. The Nosy Gamer an obligatory read for every serious Eve Online aficionado.
CCP’s War On Bots: Accountability
“We will continue to expand the scope of this to include asset seizure in
the coming days which will include reclamation of supercaps and actions
against alliances if need be.”CCP Sreegs, April 2012
Eve Vegas was held this weekend and amongst the Eve developers speaking at the event was CCP Stillman. Those who thought the event would provide little news did not forsee the bombshell tacked onto the end of CCP Stillman’s presentation. I missed large portions of that section of the talk but Sugar Kyle blogged from on-site and filled in the blanks. CCP will now hold alliances responsible for some botting that occurs in their space. According to the video which I didn’t get to see, POS utilized by botters and illict RMTers belonging to alliances are subject to destruction.
CCP Stillman’s presentation surprised many in Las Vegas, but CCP Sreegs for months signaled that he might consider holding alliances to account for their members’ actions. At the beginning of March CCP Sreegs wrote the following responses to comments to his dev blog announcing a new offensive in the War On Bots:
Q. What is the current policy with regard to ISK and assets on a proven
botter’s multiple accounts? Do you seize all their ISK, or some of it,
or none? Do you asset strip them?CCP Sreegs: “Today, as in like right now, assets aren’t touched but I don’t see it staying that way.”
Q. If the decision is made to begin confiscating assets, will this
include Supers and Titans bought with botting ISK? And how soon will
this begin?CCP Sreegs: “I
would say that however this is implemented the size of assets won’t
matter, but I can’t speculate on time frames or even 100% guarantee it
today. I’ll just let you guys be pleasantly surprised if it happens.”
CCP Sreegs went further in a dev blog on Team Security’s anti-RMT operations in April, stating:
“Using the initial operation we enacted last Friday the procedure was to permanently ban all isk sellers and suppliers. No warnings given. People caught purchasing ISK found themselves with negative wallet balances due to the ISK being reversed back into the closed accounts which will eventually go into some magical space ISK burning facility or if you want to be really technical, be deleted from a database. We will continue to expand the scope of this to include asset seizure in the coming days which will include reclamation of supercaps and actions
against alliances if need be. All actions will be retroactive to at LEAST February.” [emphasis mine]
For observers of CCP’s campaign against illicit RMT and botting, the question wasn’t whether CCP Sreegs would begin “enlisting the help” of alliances, the question was when. CCP Stillman’s presentation provided a rough outline of the plans, although those plans are not finalized.
The questions raised were expected. How do we stop botters if we have no tools? Is CCP changing the EULA to allow corp and alliance leaders receive information on who is botting? What are alliance leaders supposed to do if they find one of their members botting? Policing the EULA is CCP’s job so why do alliances have to do it?
Amongst all the people trying to argue that holding alliance members accountable for the actions of their members and/or renters, one man got up and asked if CCP had considered making botting legal. That attitude that botting and illicit RMT are acceptable activites is unfortunately reflected amongst some alliance leaders. At the CSM 7 Spring Summit, UAxDEATH pressed CCP about trying to track down alliances that rent null sec systems for real money. And some CEOs go to botting forums to recruit botters. I found two recent examples on the H-Bot forums.
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| Offering POS, logistics support to botters in null |
Notice that one of the selling points to botting recruits in both posts
is the availability of a POS to operate from. Wonder why the video
showed POS blowing up? Because bots need a place to hide when a neutral
or red show up in the system. Without a POS, a null sec system is much
less attractive.
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| An operation that began in August looking for new blood |
CCP Sreegs has angered many players for what they consider a lax policy toward botters. While many players wish to see a permanent ban upon a first offense for botting, the current penalties are 14 days for the first offense, 30 days for the second and a permanent ban for the third. Of course, other penalties include confiscation of isk and revoking the rights for a banned account to trade characters. But CCP Sreegs only implemented those penalties after his initial plan did not have the desired effect.
I don’t believe that CCP Sreegs wants to bring the hammer down on any alliance that wants to follow the rules. I can see the reasons for CCP Sreegs trying a cooperative approach working with alliance leaders first. The job of Team Security is to enforce the EULA without banning or causing half the players to quit. Or, in the case of alliances, without causing sovereignty to change for significant portions of null sec. But something tells me an alliance is going to test CCP to see just how serious the company is in fighting botting and illicit RMT.
- NosyGamer
You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back.
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?
natural design fault. adapt or die.
cause you've turned it on its back
It is because the tortoise did not have a vagina matching your dick. So you fuck with it in other ways and move on. … YOU NEED A WOMAN!
No one gets it, eh?
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
Cause your a tortoise.
As much as it pains me to say it, botters and RMTers sadly make up large portions of the games economy. Bots are designed to take the menial tasks that lots of players have no desire to do. Removing Bots from the game comes with the removal of supply, which will impact the market. In some cases it can greatly impact the market.
I personally do not condone botting as I think it is cheap, but after a decade of it being more or less considered a non issue there is no arguing that it has a direct impact on the overall economy in the game.
I have experienced similar games (FFXI/WoW) go through numerous mass bans, directed at botting and RMT. With a resounding thud against the ingame economy, prices rise, supply falls, and the menial tasks that these folks handled now become a requirement for others to handle.
Now the impact in this game may not be as large due to the single shard style, at least in comparison to the other games I ventured in with multiple realms (which are impacted much more economy wise when things like this happen.)
CCP should be cautious about how quickly they roll these guys out, and keep a wary eye upon the economy in the game. Botting should be removed, but phased out, not just axed one day. As much as people might disagree botting and rmt activity are necessary evils.
Really it is akin to the illegal immigrants in the US, who take the jobs normal citizens have no desire to do, such as pick fruit for a few bucks an hour, if it wasn't for the illegals taking these "menial" tasks fruit and vegetables would be rotting on trees, because frankly no white suburbanite is going to spend 12 hours picking oranges for 20 bucks a day.
CCP let this problem persist for to long, it is now deeply ingrained into the fabric of the EVE universe, they need to be careful about cutting portions of it out, as with a spider web if you cut to many threads, the who thing will collapse.
"Bots are designed to take the menial tasks that lots of players have no desire to do. "
Errrr no. Bots are designed to make ISK. Lots and lots of ISK. they have nothing to do with menial tasks.
"Removing Bots from the game comes with the removal of supply, which will impact the market."
Errrr no. Removal of bots would mean selling your market orders would be a lot easier (market bots are complete fuckers). It would mean missions aren't being farmed to fuck and so remove the 0.1% of eve players that bot their way to 10 trillion ISK (and alter universe wide markets of certain commodities). It'd probably make mining profitable so that I'd only need to mine for 4 hours a week to fund my PVP for a month. Removal of supply? No. Increased value of supply, yes!
Game mechanics can easily be tweaked to accommodate the loss of bots. I agree it needs to be done carefully, but most of your other points are non sequiturs.
In this topic high school kid discuss economy, *grabs popcorn*, what do you think your pvp stuff is made of?
No reson to downvote Ivan. He is right. If mining becomes more profitable SHIPS become a lot more expensive. So you'd have to mine for the same time you do today, it would just be the better choice to mine, than to rat
Bounties are not fixed either. When bots stop ratting then CCP can increase the bounties again, but it makes no sense before then.
Also not increasing the bounties after the bots are gone only means there will be less ISKs coming out of the wells and everything becomes cheaper and ratting allows you to buy you a new ship sooner.
If you keep thinking about it then it is as I it said above: the efforts by the players become more worth, because they will get no further competition by the bots. Neither mining or ratting will become preferable, but both will get you new ships quicker.
It is similar to real world industries where machines and robots make men obsolete, because they do everything better and faster and the work of men becomes less worth. Get rid of the bots, get rid of their competition and your work gains in value.
An example, take two equally skilled players. When they fight 1v1 is the winning chance 50:50, because they are equally good. Each will lose ships as often as the other and both will need to work as hard as the other to replace them.
Now give one of the players a bot. This player now can afford 5-10 times more ships in the same time as the player without a bot.
As a result, even when both players are equally good, will the player without a bot have to work harder to fight the flood of ships by the botting player.
The winning chance of each of the players does not change. The prices on the markets do not change. However the effort for the players without bots goes up and it becomes an indirect fight against the bots themselves.
This is why all explanations over prices and resources fails, because it is not about them, but about the efforts.
John Douche is right.
Go away…….. Good arguments and logic. wtf is up with u?
You giving me lip, boy?
No
, but i am being a smart ass.
And hinting that anyone with a little "smarts" would see the logic.
Mario and his peeps just don't see the big and longterm picture here.
I've said for years now. Eve will die to botters, if u dont fight'em.
(Read the whole conversation if u don't know why)
And if more people mine, the supply increases and prices drop. SHIT BALANCES OUT ! And it wont take years.
You have a depressing view! Just for the sake of your soul do we need to get rid of them.
The reason why tasks appear menial is because of the bots. Bots flood the markets with resources as well as ISKs. You could think this kind of flooding somehow creates a balance and has little to no influence, but you would be wrong. It makes players compete against bots on all ends and all the economy does is to balance it. As a result do players have to work as hard as the bots to catch up in order to get something of value back.
Get rid of all bots and there will be less new ISK coming into the markets as well as less resources. Prices will drop, efforts will become more worth and less depression for you.
Some times reality can be depressing. Bots are a part of the economy and removing them on mass will cause the economy to fluctuate rapidly. The reduction of commodities that the bots bring in, will drastically effect the economy negatively for the consumer.
Will it be good for the "legit" persons who preform the menial labors of economic production. Sure, prices will rise and the overall profits will increase. But for consumers this means that costs will adjust negatively. Paying more for less so to speak.
Removal of a botting system that is so connected to the in game economy as it is must be a phased initiative. Eliminating chunks of players over time, and not simply magic wanding them away over night.
If that is a depressing out look, that is unfortunate, but it is an accurate out look. There is a decade of Bots and Economic ties, severing them all at once will be disastrous in the short term. In the long term the market would balance out. But the long term isn't a couple months away, it is a year + away.
Maybe longer depending on exactly when and how DUST will tie in economically. Removing that many resources, and then implementing another potentially massive resource consuming market will only prolong the recovery of the market.
Baby steps must be taken. Or the economy of this game is going to get shit on, in a big way.
this is short term thinking. you could ban all the bots tomorrow (assuming you could detect 100%) and the economy would go on a roller coaster, but not forever. it would even out as the law of supply and demand kick in. I bet it'd only take a month for things to level out, maybe 2-3 weeks.
Dontalkbackto-a- listen to him Mario. U wrong so wrong!
John Douche is right.
Botting adds stuff? Learn, learn and try to read some economy books.
Botting only fucks true eve players.
remove them –> change –> economy just changes and in a bit of time, becomes strongeer and fair to the "real" players.
prices will drop since there is less resources ?? last time i read econom the oposite happend.
lets take a look at the silver price in the mid 90s
silver was being hamsterd by the soviet union and the prices spiked for just silver once the demand of silver was higher then the number on the market. same happen in eve.
Prices will rise and once the prices rise it will open new opportunities for the risk aware.
this will push the prices even higher first as speculations kicks in.
then the price will drop abit not mutch but get a dip and now the new market is set.
back to the silver analogy then there hamstering of the market was unsustainable due to new minerals beeing dug out every day so the finaly stoped buying everything and started selling witch led to a market crash.
this could also happen in even if a player like Chribba who sitts on huge amount of vedspar decided to force the price down on vedspar he can lock down the market for a very long time driving the price down to ridiculus levels.
tldr version:
prices go up when supply is cut to a merchandise.
I agree with you that removing BOTs will have a direct affect on the economy. But if you apply your second point regarding single shard economy: prices will go up, they will go up to a point where it becomes worth the people's time to do those menial tasks again.
There are also a tremendous amount of tools CCP can use in order to fix a problem should one arise from removing botters.
Things are certainly changing, and people are adapting. Small example: 12 months ago, Tritanium sold for 3 isk per unit, at one point it went up to 10isk per unit, and now its still selling at 6, double of what it was a still continue. Everything tritanium dependent changed in price, people still bought, eve life continued. I expect much will be the same as botters are removed.
More has happened to change the price of tritanium than just CCP waving about their new banhammer. Drone alloys are gone, which had a substantial effect. A war was fought over the drone regions before that, which tends to have a negative effect on production, and finally Hulkageddon has been essentially fixed as permanent.
Four different causes for the inflation of tritanium. But hey, it was the bots, right?
I didn't attach the price change of Trit to botters. I used tritanium price fluctuation as an example of an important commodity, involved in all aspects of EvE life, changing price and the player base adapting and moving on.
Way to miss my ending point.
I agree, this is a very good point that needs to be taken into account.<img src="http://s01.flagcounter.com/count/7uR/bg=FFFFFF/txt=FFFFFF/border=FFFFFF/columns=1/maxflags=1/viewers=3/labels=0/" alt="." width="1" border="0" /><img src="http://s01.flagcounter.com/count/H9Y2/bg=FFFFFF/txt=FFFFFF/border=FFFFFF/columns=1/maxflags=1/viewers=3/labels=0/" alt="." width="1" border="0" />
The botting is strong in this one
Yeah botting is a vicious cycle
1) You Bot ( isk printing machine)
2) Get more isk
3) Buy more goods/ships
4) Ships and goods prices go up because of demand
5) Prices are higher so you bot more to compensate
And this process just keeps going, ruining the eve economy totally. If you're that lazy and can't be at your computer while making isk, buy plex and don't inflate the market for everyone else… you'd think the land of moongoo/anoms/system upgrades would have other ways of making isk
Don't forget about the inflation in the rising prices.
And some alliances (PL,GS,TEST,etz) fucking with everyone trying to manually inflate the market by keepting a certain resource off the market.
Man it's really exciting to see someone on here that understands real world economics and inflation.
The end-result of all this botting, blobbing, and inflation is that Eve is a lousy game for casual players….but we knew that already. Botting just makes a bad situation worse. This is why Eve has such comparatively pathetic subscription numbers, and WoW is played by roughly as many people as live in Australia, despite Eve being, in many ways, a much neater game.
Wars are being won with botted ISK. Real players being eradicated due to it.This shit needs to go. I'm up for perma-ban on first offense, asset confiscation and Alliance accountability.
Let the heads roll.
Yeah. A system where you have to get caught three times before you're actually banned for real doesn't seem very strict. It's more or less encouraging people to try some botting since nothing serious will happen until the third strike. Remember that these guys force the honest players to grind forever just to afford some ships competing with their bots while they're busy watching TV or actually enjoy the fun parts of eve. Make them go away.
Now that they've started asset seizure for botters, it might not be such a good idea to "try it out."
I often don't play eve for up to 15 days at a time while skill training. A 15 day ban seems like nothing.
i agree on perma banning or atleast a two strike system (Yellow card, Red card)
anyway im divided when it comes down to Alliance assets
as long as the alliance can't protect them self (tools etc) you can't hardly say its the alliance leaderships faults..
(but if you looking for RM renters or looking activly for Botters then you have it comming)
Comming from another online strategy game where my group was collectivly punished by 25% extra penalites for 2 week for one member cheated. As one of the leaders of that "group" we where stunned since we had no way of knowing it and just felt unjustified punished.
so from that background i do not like direct punishment on alliances unless there is REAL evidence they have had knowledge of it.
For example what I have heard goons have a tool that they use for taxes that looks in to income of the corp/ player. now if every Alliance use this kind of tools there should be a degree of self awareness in the alliance leadership that botting do occur.
and with that awareness they should atleast look at the player who rat for 12-16h every day is this resonable? no ….. report them as suspicious to CCP.
No. Why would you give botters a second chance? They've already gone past the line where they've accepted they're doing the wrong thing. Banning needs to be permanent on the first go, and any assets funded by botting isk liquidated. I suspect we'll see a large number of supers disappearing.
How about fix the damn Mining so it's fun, then (as far as mining bots) there will be no need of them.
CCP should make it so that you can latch onto a roid directly, and tow it to a POS to get ground up there. Or cut it into smaller chunks to feed it into an Orca or Rorqual.
Or they could make a true mining capital that's essentially a giant grinder, and you tractor roids into the front, and other ships dock at the other end and pull out cubes of compressed ore. It eats asteroids whole, and just to give it some defensive options, allow it to pull in hostile ships and grind those up into ore too. For an added twist, the crew gets turned into Quafe Zero.
How about fixing all of the game so that no matter what way you choose to make isk its not boring?
They nerfed ratting in 0.0 so it takes even longer grinds to make a decent amount. Mining is boring. Missioning is boring because its the same damn missions over and over with no variations or even progressions. Plex's and anom's were nerfed way back when.
Why are people botting CCP? Its because your game is boring as shit to make money in and takes fucking forever to even make a decent amount. Botting isnt the problem. The problem is how boring and long it takes to make a decent amount of isk. They could easily knock out over half the botters if they could just make making isk profitable and fun and not a snooze fest.
Bullshit. Any PvE activity will become 'boring' eventually, and people will always automate it. There is no justification for botting.
If you can't/are unwilling to make isk to fund your pvp, buy a PLEX and stop dragging down the game for everyone else. If you can't afford a PLEX play a different game or maybe take a break to make more $$ FFS
CCP employees are not permitted to post here.
Haha no, not an employee just an opinion. Good one though
No people like you are the problem. Those who justify botting with there inability to enjoy the game. If you only want to PvP with minimum ISK then get out of that HAC and start flying frigs an Cruisers.
No one forces you to fight in the expensive ships. "oh i have to bot so i can effort a titan" BS! You don't need one. If you want to fight with ships you can't effort your self, find you some friendly carebears whom you can protect for a living.
so, serpentis area is for rent… thats testgoonspace, right?
so angel areas for rent…thats -a-, solar, RED, ROL space right? (plus minor renter alliances
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region Organize by rats to see which regions have what rats and who owns most sov there.
Angel rats are up north too
Almost all of this information is not new. Arguing over whether bots are bad or not is missing the point entirely. CCP has stated that they are going to start directing their efforts at those who harbor bots, in addition to the botters themselves.
I think it's a good thing. if they do it right. Up until now they've been entirely justified in wielding the banhammer. Most everyone can agree that bots have a negative effect on the game as a whole; banning bots is a good thing, and so is seizing their ill-gotten assets. Where CCP is entering uncharted territory is what happens when they go to an alliance's leadership and basically say "we think you or a corporation under your banner is renting out space or providing a safe haven for botters. CCP is going to investigate, and if you don't cooperate fully, we will fuck your day up, and how."
On the one hand, CCP could persuade a lot of alliances to give up their botting communities to avoid any repercussions (keep their bot-funded supers), and in the long run it could provide the incentive for alliances to simply not host bot rings. One of things they could get with this, is forum access, which they could then use to connect the dots more thoroughly.
On the other, if CCP goes to an alliance and tries to strong man them, and it turns out that the alliance really doesn't know anything, then CCP could find itself in another blizzard of bad PR and playerbase angst for attempting to bully people into submission. They will have to walk a fine line in this endeavor.
I know if CCP takes any real action(strong arm) against these alliances I will be making bot corps and submit them to every alliance I don't like! whole new level of scaming!
If alliances are going to be held accountable there MUST be a way for alliances to reliably police themselves. Sometimes this isn't easy – smaller alliances with far-flung entities might not be aware of a corp logging a botter or two off their TZ and hitting the sites for 7-11 hours 4-6 days a week.
If CCP has hard-failed to 'catch' botters for THIS LONG they better be extremely sure of what they're doing before holding responsible players who have absolutely no knowledge, control or way to have knowledge or control over botting activities in their space!
Players ARE NOT CCP'S POLICE FORCE.
Bullcrap.
Alliances can and should be responsible for what their members and renters do.
If, for example, Blue Alliance was docked fifteen titans for harbouring botters, then you can be darn sure Purple and Orange Alliance would be a lot more careful not to rent systems to botters, or to have botters in their alliance.
The fruit of a tainted tree is also tainted.
True but as long as there isn't a easy way for the alliance to "Catch" suspecting botters i can't see how they can blame the alliance for there "short coming"
"As much as it pains me to say it, botters and RMTers sadly make up large portions of the games economy. Bots are designed to take the menial tasks that lots of players have no desire to do. Removing Bots from the game comes with the removal of supply, which will impact the market. In some cases it can greatly impact the market. "
… yes indeed and when the bots are gone you will see a truly player run eve economy.
Capital Strip miners-
right-click
target asteroid belt
Mine entire Asteroid belt at the same time.
Not game breaking at all.
DO it!
And you think a bot could not do this? CCP might as well give out ships for free…
Maybe if they kept throwing captcha's at you and asking you this: "You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back.
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?"
+1 for the Bladerunner reference, very appropriate!
(Will botters blush?)
Why? Because you are too fat to bend over, to dumb to care, you still need a woman and continue to fuck with innocent creatures.
Or maybe they could retro the eve economy into being like the dust economy. Oh? You got blown up? Pay xxxx isk and your ship is completely replaced down to the last bolt.
Strip out mining, moon goo, and figure out how to increase isk generation… you've successfully converted EVE online into Counterstrike
Players must be retarded if they think that ccp is indeed ready for bots war….aagin, and this "anti-rmt fogselling" is just another bullshitt story, because if they wanna clean it up, it would be like a 15% income cutoff monthly, and ccp's accounting – disagree.
Its more or less like K2network story, when they started selling ingame items for $/€
Will the rules surrounding bots create the need for real judges and lawyers?
The economy will be hurt? Its not real life, if EVE's economy gets shaken up it means I'm probably going to have some fun with it somehow, not foreclose on my house. Go for it CCP, I hope it messes up null sec blobs even more.
CCP should just butt out and let eve customers play the game the way THEY want. After all, it is a sandbox, no?
Some of us have busy RL schedules and running a few bots a few days at a time each week enables us to fund our corps/alliances & our pvp (which is why we play eve).
Remember, each bot account is worth a subscription to eve, so why would they cut their own throats financially by implementing this idiotic bot 'genocide' ??
Botter,
CCP would much prefer you paid them for GTCs and then sold them for isk to "fund our corps/alliances & our pvp".
If you dont want to do that, well, then maybe fly what you can afford to lose ?
piss off is all i have to say.
Players can play the game however THEY want as long as it doesnt conflict with the EULA set by the games OWNERS CCP. A policy designed to ensure players dont have an unfair advantage over others in a nutshell.
Some of us have busy real life schedules but still EARN our isk.
Even though a bot account is worth a subscription, when that bot can make how much isk per hour?? It enables the botter to pay not with RL currency but plex, and it enables them to do this with little to no effort. Not to mention enables the botter to easily afford all manner of other things.
Ultimately botters unbalance the game, and provide unfair advantage over others. But seriously why play a game to cheat??
bots == Bad for economy period.
and don't try to justify it by saying ohh i have so much to do IRL i can't play the game i want
buy PLEX / GTC and sell them ingame then.
botting == CHEATING!
This poster's views really stink. I'm not sure if he/she is posting as their char's name, but I checked it out anyway, and came across an interesting killmail
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=144…
Actually more interesting that the mail was one of the comments on it …. "In one hour i'll recover my loss, and make more then you make in a year." – this is in reference to a 2.8 Billion isk loss!
Of note also is the member registry of his corporation http://evewho.com/corp/Genesis+Nation
Seems like one of the established CFC allliances is most likely harbouring not only botters, but corps dedicated to botting, why am I not surprised though from a coalition who was threating to kick members for reporting bots.
Petition it in-game and write what you wrote here. Your chances for getting a PLEX from CCP are looking good. (See the "PLEX for Snitches"-program.) Do it now!
What a little shit, fortunately me and my corp will be doing some roaming up towards branch soon enough though …..
Look at those names. CCP should look at that more closely.
Okay, so I'm Chiaco Bloodtear of Gentlemen's Agreement, and I can tell you right now that whoever has been posting as "Symbiotes" is not Symbiotes. The comments made on the killboard were not made by Symbiotes, and neither was this comment.
So whoever is attempting to frame him has obviously done a decent job, and I'd probably have to point the finger at the very next comment in line that ties in extra details for all your enjoyment.
that attempt at damage control doesn't hold up on closer inspection though. The comments on the killboard are from 2 months ago, and this article is only a few days old, so I seriously doubt there's any attempt at 'framing' anyone going on here.
Although the fact hes being defended by someone from another suspicious looking loadsofalts-few real players type of corp says it all. Just wondering how much of GENTS consists of these hollow alt filled corps now….
Just because you're making wild claims doesn't make them remotely close to true. If you have accusations to make against me, make them, because none of them will be true.
Step back and look at it logically. WTF would someone come forward and willingly admit to being a massive botter under their own name? Especially when I'm sitting here talking to Symbiotes and he admits it's not him. You can post under these forums under any name, without any sort of check, same with eve-kill. So why would you think for a second that was him?
I, Alekseyev Karrde, am a botter myself. I love botting, I bot from uptime to downtime every day. I make tens of billions of isk each month, and I've recently started botting the minmatar FW missions.
I agree with everything you say and I was wrong to question it because I'm a moron. I've been killed in the past which is evidence that I bot. This is totally legit. I'm going to waste the community's time by slandering random members and filing spurious petitions to slow down their response to real issues.
I can't imagine what 3 letter alliance near the start of the alphabet would have anything to gain by deflection of their own guilt revealed at Vegas…
I do recall Against All Authorities being quite bitter at being called out for their rampant botting…
lol
There is no difference between buying PLEX and botting in anomalies.
Rich people buy a lot of Plex to get ISK and poor people use a bot to get ISK.
Both ways influence the game in the same way.
Fly safe
No, there are many differences. The most dominant difference is to allow many to play for free when they trade their ISKs for PLEX. On the other side does botting in anoms do shit for the community.
Well , I understand ur statement. But farming with bot = isk for a PLEX and more money for CCP.
On the other side, no bots = less people playing Eve, less people buying a PLEX ingame for isk, less people buying PLEX for money and less money for CCP,
Why do you think that CCP takes like 10 years to fix the bot problem? There are so simply solutions against bots… Game Guard is one of them and there are many others.
Ofc there will always be some botters, no matters what you do agaisnt them. but putting something like gameguard would reduce the bots significantly.
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Hell no !
there is a very big diference between following the EULA and not following the EULA.
While CCP is talking hard on botters the truth is the RLM botters are the ones that have/are taken priority….for good reason, then it will the be the market bots since then use up the largest botting slice of the proverbial pie! And as for the bots that mine/run complexes or even auto rat as long as there is a game there will be bots! banning accounts just means new ones pop up! the alliances that allow bots may get hurt but the people with the computers that can handle 5+ bots running just start new bots that funnel isk through random buy sell orders until it gets back to their main account! Its money laundering and in a game like this with a market this size…it is not hard at all! As CCP has stated most bot account are relatively new and thus can be easily remade! The only way to get rid of bots is to either give players a reason not to bot or make bots an easy target! The easy target requires not making all miner/PVE people targets at the same time! Right now a bots costs less then an account on eve! With a 25mbs connection a player with a good computer can run 10+bots on one computer…if the bot allows!(and before someone states that obvious yes I am sure that if a computer was running 10 accounts at once CCP is looking at them) That is 10 accounts that have to be tracked down and found before anything can be done about them! If they are all in one system its easy to see that toons are bots but as most bots don't require all toons to be in the same system they could be spread all across eve!
While CCP is talking hard on botters the truth is the RLM botters are the ones that have/are taken priority….for good reason, then it will the be the market bots since then use up the largest botting slice of the proverbial pie! And as for the bots that mine/run complexes or even auto rat as long as there is a game there will be bots! banning accounts just means new ones pop up! the alliances that allow bots may get hurt but the people with the computers that can handle 5+ bots running just start new bots that funnel isk through random buy sell orders until it gets back to their main account! Its money laundering and in a game like this with a market this size…it is not hard at all! As CCP has stated most bot account are relatively new and thus can be easily remade! The only way to get rid of bots is to either give players a reason not to bot or make bots an easy target! The easy target requires not making all miner/PVE people targets at the same time! Right now a bots costs less then an account on eve! With a 25mbs connection a player with a good computer can run 10+bots on one computer…if the bot allows!(and before someone states that obvious yes I am sure that if a computer was running 10 accounts at once CCP is looking at them) That is 10 accounts that have to be tracked down and found before anything can be done about them! If they are all in one system its easy to see that toons are bots but as most bots don't require all toons to be in the same system they could be spread all across eve!
I am not trying to justify bots but don't expect CCP to make regular bots the largest priority over other aspects of the game! My house has 7 computers all of which can handle 2 plus accounts at any given time! One of my computers can handle 6+ accounts, how is CCP to know if me and my room mates are bots or players and in EVE where it is easier to have an alt running Logistical support then another player doing it we all have multiple account just to keep the one with the guns alive!
Bots or no Bots doesn't matter to me! I can build most everything I fly, I can mine most the minerals I need and I can run most of the complex's in eve I so don't need other players to play any part but PVP!
And I am sure that most players can do the same, or their alliance buds can! I think the logic for or against bots in null in comparison to the fact that bot account get paid for just like the rest. And CCP has no reason to cut profits because their game get complaints from a relatively small faction of pilots!
Most of which buy plex to sell to the bots that don't want to pay for their accounts out of pocket! In the end I will still play this game, and I will keep paying 130 or so a year per account!
I agree with CCP's plan. A lot of corporations and alliances, knowingly house, recruit and create botters to make life easier on themselves. It gives them an unfair advantage. But in order to hold a person accountable you do need to give them the ability to identify botters. Otherwise it will be a witch hunt. Not to mention it could be a tool used by enemies to dismantle an alliance, by infiltrating them with botters then passing the proof to ccp.
Bottom line is i think its a great idea, as long as the parties to be held accountable have the ability to identify the botters.
Only problem I see is far as renting space and being held accountable for some retard. At this point when you rent space if someone gets caught botting you know becouse the isk gets taken from the Alliance. Which I am ok with. Now if the Alliance says " Do not report suspected botters " like Mitani did you should hit them hard. funny how he said that and Dek has the most botters. CCP is that interesting or what ? I seen a CFC jabber saying the same thing.
Create an AI module for ships and level the playing field.
BURN ALL THE BOTTERS!
Funny i went to "the mittiani" site… saw an add for an RMT site right there on its homepage.
So you've never heard about eve offline?