riverini’s note: I didn’t got to Eve Vegas but Sugar Kyle from The Humbleless Crew did and wrote an extensive summary on the presentation which I totally encourage you to read. Also feel free to visit her Low Sec LifeStyle blog.

Please keep in mind these are mere “summaries” and “notes” of the presentations, written in haste and with a very vague sense of specificity on the mentioned subjects.

Eve Vegas – CCP Soundwave Discusses The Upcoming Winter Expansion

Eve Vegas 2013 is already planned in case anyone is wondering. Next year they are going to try to have more sponsors and lower the ticket prices.

The first speaker is Soundwave. I watched him walk down the hallway on the way to the convention hall with his shirt that says, “Dev Team” across the back. Starting time was supposed to be 1000 hours but the trickle of people and the continue trickle in of people things didn’t get started until around 1030. I found myself sitting beside a lady from RVB and listening to an argument about wormholes.




“This Winter in EVE-Online” by CCP Soundwave

The first thing was the $10,000 tournament. There is already a Dev Blog about this event about this. He is hoping that we will have something like the 10k tournament every month or two if he has his way. He commented about how Starcraft and League of Legions has a them, and he’d love us to be that point.


“This winter Justice will be done. If not by their laws then by ours.”

That is the tag line for retribution.

Soundwave says that he does not like NPCs governing the game and he would prefer to have players take care of the law enforcement. This winter is the first step to this. This is a bit of an experimental steps and if it works out when more should be coming.

- What is it about?
- Giving players the tools to police space so that one day concord doesn’t have to.
- Player to player content with more meaningful then player to environment.
- You know what owns? people getting blown up. That’s what owns.
- Or also known as the cycle of dickery
(from the slide)

The Bounty Hunting.

Three things are to the county. People have no faith in the current system. They want to make a system where it means that if you put someone on that person they will lose something. So if you put a large bounty on someone it will pay out in small pieces. If you keep killing them you keep getting rewards until they are dead (example was kill a player with a bil isk bounty in a Raven get 20 mil until the bounty is drained). It creates more content with bounties or everything, anyone, at anytime.

They are taking away the notion of CCP judging people based off of game mechanics and if you don’t like someone you can kill them. They also want something that makes it very noticeable that people have bounties to help with incentives to kill them. Along with the fact that if you don’t like someone you can bounty their corporation and alliance.

Sharing kill rights

You can basically rent out your kill rights to people. ANYONE can pick up the kill rights and go and kill that person. You can pick it up on your alt but its a rental situation. It will cost money and have a time limit.

Crime Watch:

They outsourced the aggression mechanics to a Q&A company and a month later got a 40 page document explaining it. He said they were amazed by how terrible it was and wondered how they did that. This led to the simplification of crime watch.

With the new warning box you can turn it off. He said that petitions for ‘accidental clicked box!’ will be answered with, “You are probably dumb”. If your safety is green you won’t be able to shoot people in empire. If you set it to orange you can do mild things like can flipping. If you put your setting to red then you can do whatever whenever with no warning anymore. So if you set it to red, its your own fault.

Red skull means players and concord will kill you. Yellow means players will be able to kill you. The yellow exclamation point means that you can not log off safely.

A new focus on Eve

He said they have spent time working on eve around the edges. He wants Eve to be a better game to fly around an do stuff. He is focused on the core. One of these things is the buff bar. They want the in flight UI to be better. They are adding tooltips for every customization module in the game. However they are going to let you turn that off.

The path that he is going on. He wants it to be easier to get information to make hard choices. This is not for the winter but its a goal. Example, he wants there to be a way for someone to know why things happened such as a target exists from your view line. He wants the game to be difficult because the game is hard not because the UI is bad.

Faction Warfare

No more speedtanking. New NPCS and less space between warpin and capture point. Changing upgrades, quicker industry POS fuel reduction and different territorial bonus system. The NPC stations will be the best ones to do things at. (Faction Warfare is his baby. He sounds like he loves it.)

Next summer will be battlecruisers and battleships next summer. Then the little new ore frigate and the new destroyers. He said the minnie dessie comes from another game that the artiest liked a ship in and used that as inspiration. There is admission that the new amarr dessie looks like the old one. Then a commentary on the vagabond having frills again which led to clapping and cheers.

They will be updating a lot of the lore art. Its been neglected for years and they want to catch up so that all the artwork reflections how lovely the game is.

Soundwave feels that this one feels like Crucible. Lots of small things that make sense and feel good.

Q&A time

New Bounty System: Who gets the payout?

Its like a regular bounty. The entire fleet will get a piece of the payout. The person who paid for the bounty will also get a kill mail when it happened.

Streamlined UI About hard choices

Will this be for the market to? Yes, the market is hard to touch because it is very old and works well. He wants the spaceships to be able to give better data about the market. He wants the market to give everything.

In game gambling?

He’d like to build a stockmarket that depends on how the alliances is doing. Then you can buy stock and sell it from how alliances are doing. And then hopefully people will make all sorts of scams that he can enjoy.

Kill rights and I want to rent them out how many people can he rent them out to?

Its public and anyone can pick it up. Limited time only. If someone has a kill right a popup can come up you can click claim and then go and rent them. If someone wants to rent them to themselves they will pay out the ass.

Reinvigorat the nag?

Soundwave says… well… yeah… but he expects that size sihp to be next winter or the summer after.

Salvage Drones

They are for December.

Logoff for NPC aggression is that to hurt people?

Its a sixty second logoff timer for NPC aggression not 15 minutes.

Kill rights do you know who wants to kill you will he know?

He will be notified about it. But he is the first person on the cycle of dickery and such but Soundwave wants players to have more of an edge and cat and mouse game going on. So the person will know that someone is after them.

Bounty system anon?

No. They will know you did it.

New aggression timers: I can jump gate and it resets logoff timer?

It will be fixed and correct time applied.

How will new thing affect cyno jumps?

You will still be aggressed if you jump out on a cyno. And TIDI will affect it somehow.

Elaborate on the bounty UI? Tied to local? Notification?

Soundwave says that he wants it to be super visible. They are discussing a popup like the new tutorial or an icon change or something that is very visible so that you can find out that they have the bounty.

AFK Campers! Does soundwave like it or will they be able to do something about it?

No changes in the AFK cloaking. Cloaking mechanic is very difficult right now. He said that maybe next year something about AFK Cloakers. He does not like how it works but they are looking for a solution for it.

[EDIT: Hong says Soundwave is happy with AFK cloaking. I heard it as AFK Cloaking is going to change and they are looking into Solo PvP or something. So not sure which way this went cuz we heard different things. Someone who has Eve Radio can hopefully clarify]

Bounties… is there a way to harm them without killing them… like a ransom type situation where the ship isn’t blown up?

Nothing like that has been discussed. He really wants people to blow up.

Current mining barge changes and how they each specialize and how everyone using the Mack now and so its not balanced. Are they going to nerf the Mack?

They are reviewing it right now to see what they need to change.

Logis on Killmails? (lots of cheering and clapping).

Soundwave says: Soon with a little chuckle. (I dont think that means soon :( )

Bounty stuff: Can I grief someone out the game?

Pretty much. If they want to keep dropping cash on someone and going after them. Forum posters who alt post Soundwave does not like. He wants social consequences and for people to debate what they are doing that brought it down. People thinking about the enemies that they make.

Are there people in empire angry with Goons that are going to pour cash onto them? Yes. And he wants that to happen. He wants people to decide who the bad guys are based off of social things. Not for him to figure out but for players to figure out.

- Sugar Kyle

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  • Grunt

    Cyno generators to be used on standings?

    • http://evenews24.com riverini

      I don't recall it perfectly since my first capital was flown during the later days of the NC, but i do recall having a TON of Cyno gens to jump to back then… that got nerfed iirc…

      • John Douche

        The saddest part of this article is that when CCP implements a stock market will your web site gain more power over the masses than before. The articles and their quality will have a direct impact on alliance finances.

        I hope you can create sort of a "Bloomberg" section on your site with only confirmed alliance news.

        • GS since '03

          YeY, Eve will then finally be a real representation of my actuall RL job!!

        • Akrasjel Lanate

          onoes riverini controls my mind

          • John Douche

            That's nothing. Wait until Riverini releases fake news to manipulate stocks for his own gain or only delays news for said reason. I bet he is already thinking about it. Tonight when he goes into bed will he be dreaming of ISKs…

          • DarthNefarius

            And Mittans would never allow fake stories that manipulate Goon alliance stock prices in his PR rag? xD

        • Derpity Duck

          Mfw people bitch and bitch about EN24 but don't do shit towards making a new "fair and balanced" eve news site… Also mfw riv won't let me post my face

        • DarthNefarius

          lol maybe CCP will instigate a SEC which will protect alliances from pump & dump stock scams from news sites lol

      • Lugalbandak

        After you where done with ya famous Majesta empire domi?

        • http://evenews24.com riverini

          hahaha, catching Cynabals at random safespots in P3EN was definitely fun as hell! good times! xD

  • ilikeponies

    soundwave really is a dumb shit. he doesn't even play the game anymore and moreover; he's an ex-goon. once a goon, always a goon.

  • http://gamingmod.blogspot.co.uk/ Versuvius Marii

    "Are there people in empire angry with Goons that are going to pour cash onto them? Yes. And he wants that to happen."
    Did he just say more power to the wardec-proof Goons? This is going to go down well.

    Also, totally called the payout changes last week, and nobody believed me again ;)

    • Opner Dresden

      You weren't logged on last week… like at all…

    • Akrasjel Lanate

      "wardec-proof Goons"

      No only goons but all dickish alliances

      • DarthNefarius

        looking at thewar report I seeGoons alliance has a single Wardecc against a3 man corp? Yep the new Inferno Wardeclaration systm working as intended =/

    • Random Miner

      yeah, this is balanced. Well at least everyone will apparently be able to pour bounties onto an entire corporaton or alliance. So if goons start to grief highsec again all the jewbears in high sec can bounty off the entire goonswarm federation, but I just don't know if that will have much of an effect. But I can hope…

  • Rick James

    This will be good! we can feel like we help determine the wars in null sec by simply dropping a few bil in bounties and their alliance/corps and watching all the little rats come out of no where!

  • leetnessmonster

    " He wants social consequences and for people to debate what they are doing that brought it down. People thinking about the enemies that they make."

    I'm just gonna leave this Goonswarm CEO update quote here:

    "The purpose of the Death Squad is to hunt down and punish every bleating pubbie who has felt that they could hide behind Concord and speak out against us without fear. In nullsec we have fought wars of extermination over seemingly innocuous offenses (such as Tetsujin’s sig)‚ yet human garbage lіke Jade Constantine and Issler Dainze reside securely, squatting in their empire shitholes, squawking about Goonswarm with no risk. No more.
    The Death Ѕquad will sow terror among those who think themselves safe from us."

    http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/24/leak-goonswar

    • GS since '03

      Y, and GS started an empire war to gank and terrorise 1 of these pubbies..

      Then 3 days later GS started crying to CCP that the wardeck system was unbalanced because they were being shot by everyone in HS.

      • GS since '03

        dr:lt

        GS got their asses kicked by some HS carebears :) So they got CCP to change the mechanics.

  • John Douche

    "Yellow means players will be able to kill you."

    I wonder how many "yellow players" will read this wrong and are beginning to get their sec status up.

  • dumb dumb dumb

    bounty system, what a joke. So basically you are going to allow players to just constantly get greifed by ppl placing bounties on them? seriously what the fuck is up with you guys….

  • FuckThisToo

    Oh look…advantage goes to the super rich AGAIN…and it's great that the richest among them are the worst griefers in the game…maybe they can grief all of ccp's paying customers away.
    Soundwave would like that.

    • M1k3y

      People who pay for their accts are paying players, PLEX aren't free.

      Thought that it would be important for you to realize that.

  • Dino

    "Logoff for NPC aggression is that to hurt people?
    Its a sixty second logoff timer for NPC aggression not 15 minutes."

    60s is quite short to scan the ratter down. And can you get a PvP aggression once you found the ratter?

    • que?

      You can't get pvp agression timer after you have logged off without it?

    • M1k3y

      If you log without PVP agro timer, you cannot get PvP agro timer.
      You will disappear within 60 seconds, no matter what happens.

      So unless they can probe you out, warp to you, and kill you within 60 sec of logging off, (a small miracle I might add with how long it takes to accelerate/decellerate from warp) your safe.

  • duh

    seriously En24 if you keep up with posting shit and non truths then lets just drop you now..

    You guys should probably wait for the official Dev blog before panicking and jumping to conclusions. Reading the EVE news article, some things are very strangely written, other things are very off the mark and seem to have been taken completely out of context for what Soundwave will have explained.
    The dev blog Is written, and is ready to be released very soon.
    CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends
    @CCP_Paradox

    • http://evenews24.com riverini

      A couple of things:
      - It is of my understanding that Eve-Radio streamed the presentations
      - I am no psychic to know when pertaining Dev Blogs will be coming out.
      - I'll be waiting for that Dev Blog
      - I don't really think you are actually a Dev, given the harsh language used and the fact of them having posting here prohibited.

      • Numbnutz

        It''s a quote from CCP paradox from official forum. Go and do some information gathering first, you false assuming prick.

    • DarthNefarius

      Hmmm some Goon pretending to be a DEV posting here? Nah that would be like some one pretending to be VR & post some BS in the Goons PR rag :x

  • ONYX

    EN24 really needs to get a proof-reader for articles submitted by non-english speaking authors.

    Reading that whole thing made my inner grammar Nazi rage.

  • Pale Blue Dot

    Bounty system has the chance to be entertaining, and the killrights sharing too. If you've really upset someone you don't even have to look for fights, just hang around in one system while the 3rd parties come to find you.

  • Who Ever

    Just more of the same, dev's taking sides and changing game mechanics to favor their friends (or their own alt alliances). Now people won't be free to even speak openly on the forums without the devs wanting to give away who their main is so that they can get ganked.

  • powersv2

    "Bounty stuff: Can I grief someone out the game?

    Pretty much. If they want to keep dropping cash on someone and going after them. Forum posters who alt post Soundwave does not like. He wants social consequences and for people to debate what they are doing that brought it down. People thinking about the enemies that they make.

    Are there people in empire angry with Goons that are going to pour cash onto them? Yes. And he wants that to happen. He wants people to decide who the bad guys are based off of social things. Not for him to figure out but for players to figure out."

    Except the empire crew in GSF has 100+bil to drop on whoever they want until the end of time.

    • John Douche

      I would not count on Goons having more ISKs than all of high-sec.

      Once there is a new bounty system in place and it is actually working, meaning it creates and fuels a new profession, will 0.0 alliances be forced to play nice in high-sec or fight a war against gangs of bounty hunters.

      It is possible for Goons to become bounty hunters. After all are they mostly killing for profit.

      • DarthNefarius

        Well once people figure out that they can put a bounty on all of Goonswarm I bet the DEVs will cancel that option just like they did with dogpiling with some lame excuse that itgets around the war dec's system which protects goons with a 500 million a week WarDecc costs

  • Anonymous

    Jesus christ I never thought I'd miss punctuation until now.. Very difficult read…

    • http://lowseclifestyle.blogspot.com/ Sugar Kyle

      I know. I wrote as fast as I could catch it and have not edited or cleaned it up beyond the very, very basics.

  • OldxPlayer

    going down the rabbit hole….will there still be a tea party

  • Random Miner

    all-in-all this new bounty seems interesting. Many were calling for pretty much exactly this not too long ago. I'm hoping their has to be something specific that makes players/corps able to have bounties like now, with low sec status, etc., because if anyone old player/corp with +10 sec status can have a 2bil bounty thrown on them it will be as if you actually declared war on them, so the big alliances will have just one more way the can pick on the little guys.

    Other wise, can't wait to put bounties on all the miner griefers. And of course the few obligatory mil on goonswarm… it's a moral imperative :)

  • one day old alt

    Leaving eve. Its impossible to balance mechanics for a game that has one body that has near unlimited resources and enjoys taking whatever game mechanic you give them to the nth degree. Hah this will probably make goons happy give each other a virtual high five. Unfortunately goons are ruining the game we all love and will keep driving people away till one there is not a subscription base is not large enough to keep it going or two they get board and decide to ruin another game. Either way CCP lost 4 more accounts.

    Well played o7 gg

  • http://www.facebook.com/randall.flagg.397 Randall Flagg

    Don't care; unsubbed over the summer and just checking to see if anything good is coming up. "No" seems to be the tl;dr answer.