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		<title>By: Random CFC Grunt</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-155288</link>
		<dc:creator>Random CFC Grunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 14:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep the &quot;elite&quot; word out of it if you could. Elite for me is not focused or flexible, elite is when you jump solo into a local, you see one or two guys from an &quot;Elite&quot; corp and your first thoughts are &quot;If these two are on the out-gate - I&#039;m soooo fucked!&quot;. NCDOT doesn&#039;t yield that kind of reaction.I get that thought when I see someone from RnK or AGONY for example. I don&#039;t want this post to be offensive so I won&#039;t write what I think when I see NCDOTties on local (suffice it to say - I don&#039;t like them and not because of the ongoing conflict or the long-going CFC/NCDOT rivalry on multiple levels. I have my own and very old reasons).  NCDOT is the same as GSF (note - NOT CFC, you&#039;re not quite there yet) and whatever you may believe, flying zealots vs drakes or nagas vs maelstroms doesn&#039;t make you even a tiny little bit better. You operate the same way, some of your members may be (and probably are) better than the mainstream goon but some of our members may be (and probably are) better than the mainstream NCDOTtie. If you start discussing proportions of good vs bad players - you&#039;re deluding yourself.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the &quot;elite&quot; word out of it if you could. Elite for me is not focused or flexible, elite is when you jump solo into a local, you see one or two guys from an &quot;Elite&quot; corp and your first thoughts are &quot;If these two are on the out-gate &#8211; I&#039;m soooo fucked!&quot;. NCDOT doesn&#039;t yield that kind of reaction.I get that thought when I see someone from RnK or AGONY for example. I don&#039;t want this post to be offensive so I won&#039;t write what I think when I see NCDOTties on local (suffice it to say &#8211; I don&#039;t like them and not because of the ongoing conflict or the long-going CFC/NCDOT rivalry on multiple levels. I have my own and very old reasons).  NCDOT is the same as GSF (note &#8211; NOT CFC, you&#039;re not quite there yet) and whatever you may believe, flying zealots vs drakes or nagas vs maelstroms doesn&#039;t make you even a tiny little bit better. You operate the same way, some of your members may be (and probably are) better than the mainstream goon but some of our members may be (and probably are) better than the mainstream NCDOTtie. If you start discussing proportions of good vs bad players &#8211; you&#039;re deluding yourself.  </p>
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		<title>By: Meat Gazer</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-155246</link>
		<dc:creator>Meat Gazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 13:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Breath motherfucker BREATH!  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breath motherfucker BREATH!  </p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-155128</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 01:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then you&#039;d be wrong. PvP alliances are happy to grab decent players out of the cfc. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you&#039;d be wrong. PvP alliances are happy to grab decent players out of the cfc. </p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-155043</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously?  I&#039;m not sure how others in the CFC are dealing with it but our orders are &quot;it&#039;d be nice if you show up if there&#039;s a timer but nothing is mandatory.&quot;  &quot;Probably should put some ships in UMI if you can.&quot; 
 
The only reason CFC #&#039;s might be going down is just random carebear times, other crap going on, got bored, etc.  If the &quot;Horn of Gondor&quot; ever gets blown and there&#039;s an All Hands on Deck call the #&#039;s will blot out the sun.  And you know that.  Enjoy the slow burn for now.  It&#039;s more interesting.  If they ever decide they want to &quot;finish this shit&quot; you will know. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously?  I&#039;m not sure how others in the CFC are dealing with it but our orders are &quot;it&#039;d be nice if you show up if there&#039;s a timer but nothing is mandatory.&quot;  &quot;Probably should put some ships in UMI if you can.&quot; </p>
<p>The only reason CFC #&#039;s might be going down is just random carebear times, other crap going on, got bored, etc.  If the &quot;Horn of Gondor&quot; ever gets blown and there&#039;s an All Hands on Deck call the #&#039;s will blot out the sun.  And you know that.  Enjoy the slow burn for now.  It&#039;s more interesting.  If they ever decide they want to &quot;finish this shit&quot; you will know. </p>
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		<title>By: lol</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154973</link>
		<dc:creator>lol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would say most decent alliances would laugh at ex cfc pilots that try to join and tell them to get lost.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say most decent alliances would laugh at ex cfc pilots that try to join and tell them to get lost.  </p>
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		<title>By: suspect bystander</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154853</link>
		<dc:creator>suspect bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[moving ships by jump freighter is hard :( 
 
i mean you conly move 36 zealots per go :( ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moving ships by jump freighter is hard <img src='http://evenews24.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>i mean you conly move 36 zealots per go <img src='http://evenews24.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Perkele</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154725</link>
		<dc:creator>Perkele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 06:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drakes are indeed a counter to AHAC ONLY fleet, 
 
but an AHAC fleet escorted by firewall ships, missiles simply won&#039;t work anymore =). 
 
Maels &amp; Rokhs (with heavy Paint/Web support) can effectively counter AHACs for two reasons 
(1) Sheer alpha damage being registered (Due to web + paint) kills target instantly 
(2) Maels &amp; Rokhs have fatter tanks compared Drakes, allowing better chance to receive reps and survive. As for Sig radius... against a CRUISER weapon, BC &amp; BS sig radius are comparatively negligible. So only tank is how big of a shield/armor they have. 
 
For most of drake vs. AHAC fights... Either CFC is being overtly &quot;generous&quot; in giving fair fight to Dotbros by handicapping themselves or they are simply being douschebags. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drakes are indeed a counter to AHAC ONLY fleet, </p>
<p>but an AHAC fleet escorted by firewall ships, missiles simply won&#039;t work anymore =). </p>
<p>Maels &amp; Rokhs (with heavy Paint/Web support) can effectively counter AHACs for two reasons<br />
(1) Sheer alpha damage being registered (Due to web + paint) kills target instantly<br />
(2) Maels &amp; Rokhs have fatter tanks compared Drakes, allowing better chance to receive reps and survive. As for Sig radius&#8230; against a CRUISER weapon, BC &amp; BS sig radius are comparatively negligible. So only tank is how big of a shield/armor they have. </p>
<p>For most of drake vs. AHAC fights&#8230; Either CFC is being overtly &quot;generous&quot; in giving fair fight to Dotbros by handicapping themselves or they are simply being douschebags. </p>
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		<title>By: Baddies being bad</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154717</link>
		<dc:creator>Baddies being bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 05:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats a pretty good summary! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats a pretty good summary! </p>
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		<title>By: mario</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154711</link>
		<dc:creator>mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 04:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But that is not the DOTBROS goal. They openly stated at the beginning of the war, numerous times, that their goal was to get GF&#039;s. They said numerous times they have no desire for SOV grinding, and have no intent in turning this into a SOV war. It is a war to get fights, because the blue balls of OTEC were making their pilots bored. 
 
Unless their goal has now changed the DOTBROS are getting what they desire, strategically  destroying fleets, supers, and aborting baby titans. To me that sounds like OP success given the parameters outlined in their initial goals from the war. 
 
In fact they have gone as far as opening a second front on SOLAR because for some reason the GSF fleets have been reluctant to engage the DOTBROS.  
 
As far as your definition of Strategic Success...Id still have to give the points to DOTBROS, as they have successfully buried their timers into a time zone that GSF apparently has no members, nor FC&#039;s. Strategy wise that seems like a very successful play, which supports their long term goals of getting GF&#039;s. 
 
GSF has captured objectives as well, but they are strictly SOV related, which was their goal, however they have not had resounding success. The 40 tech moons you seem to hold as evidence of such haven&#039;t even covered the whelping of the fleets to attain them. A resounding success no, but it is a success none the less. 
 
And thus is the very core of why GSF is mired in miserable stagnation. Their pilots are losing morale in not only the campaign that GSF desires, SOV grinding isn&#039;t fun, especially when the other party doesn&#039;t really care for that space anyway, but even less fun is fleeting up to whelp a fleet. On top of this the Goon Pets lose faith in the leadership of GSF each day, and things like not coming to an &quot;allies&quot; aid &quot;because they derped a timer&quot; is reminiscent of siting by and watching the old NC whelp Supers. (heck GSF even fired on several of them).  
 
Losing support of their own pilots,  losing support of their pets, being openly mocked by the greater eve community, and making no progress. That doesn&#039;t sound like a very successful strategic operation. 
 
Meanwhile DOTBROS bring more and more pilots with similar desires into their fold, they seek fights, and are getting them from GSF and SOLAR, fleets are operating around the clock, more and more allies join every day, and they are preventing both SOLAR, and GSF from making any headway. Not bad for a bunch of shit posters who didn&#039;t want that space anyway. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that is not the DOTBROS goal. They openly stated at the beginning of the war, numerous times, that their goal was to get GF&#039;s. They said numerous times they have no desire for SOV grinding, and have no intent in turning this into a SOV war. It is a war to get fights, because the blue balls of OTEC were making their pilots bored. </p>
<p>Unless their goal has now changed the DOTBROS are getting what they desire, strategically  destroying fleets, supers, and aborting baby titans. To me that sounds like OP success given the parameters outlined in their initial goals from the war. </p>
<p>In fact they have gone as far as opening a second front on SOLAR because for some reason the GSF fleets have been reluctant to engage the DOTBROS.  </p>
<p>As far as your definition of Strategic Success&#8230;Id still have to give the points to DOTBROS, as they have successfully buried their timers into a time zone that GSF apparently has no members, nor FC&#039;s. Strategy wise that seems like a very successful play, which supports their long term goals of getting GF&#039;s. </p>
<p>GSF has captured objectives as well, but they are strictly SOV related, which was their goal, however they have not had resounding success. The 40 tech moons you seem to hold as evidence of such haven&#039;t even covered the whelping of the fleets to attain them. A resounding success no, but it is a success none the less. </p>
<p>And thus is the very core of why GSF is mired in miserable stagnation. Their pilots are losing morale in not only the campaign that GSF desires, SOV grinding isn&#039;t fun, especially when the other party doesn&#039;t really care for that space anyway, but even less fun is fleeting up to whelp a fleet. On top of this the Goon Pets lose faith in the leadership of GSF each day, and things like not coming to an &quot;allies&quot; aid &quot;because they derped a timer&quot; is reminiscent of siting by and watching the old NC whelp Supers. (heck GSF even fired on several of them).  </p>
<p>Losing support of their own pilots,  losing support of their pets, being openly mocked by the greater eve community, and making no progress. That doesn&#039;t sound like a very successful strategic operation. </p>
<p>Meanwhile DOTBROS bring more and more pilots with similar desires into their fold, they seek fights, and are getting them from GSF and SOLAR, fleets are operating around the clock, more and more allies join every day, and they are preventing both SOLAR, and GSF from making any headway. Not bad for a bunch of shit posters who didn&#039;t want that space anyway. </p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154689</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If ncdot can start taking cfc systems then I&#039;ll start believing the &#039;dotbros are having great strategic success&#039; line. Only one system has moved in the past week or two. Before that CFC took 40 tech moons and half of tribute. That looks to me like a stalemate more than anything.  
 
If ncdot starts winning euro and us timers then sure, you&#039;d be right. Maybe they will start doing so in a couple of weeks. I guess we&#039;ll see. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ncdot can start taking cfc systems then I&#039;ll start believing the &#039;dotbros are having great strategic success&#039; line. Only one system has moved in the past week or two. Before that CFC took 40 tech moons and half of tribute. That looks to me like a stalemate more than anything.  </p>
<p>If ncdot starts winning euro and us timers then sure, you&#039;d be right. Maybe they will start doing so in a couple of weeks. I guess we&#039;ll see. </p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154687</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 01:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is basically the thing. Outside of the SA pilots a lot of the cfc people don&#039;t have a huge investment in their alliance and will gladly wander off to ncdot, PL, BL etc once they have a decent amount of isk, kills and SP. The same thing happens for my alliance, although we&#039;re not a part of the cfc, but the idea is the same anyway.  
 
This means that broad coalitions like the cfc will always have a significant portion of their membership having low SP or very little experience. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is basically the thing. Outside of the SA pilots a lot of the cfc people don&#039;t have a huge investment in their alliance and will gladly wander off to ncdot, PL, BL etc once they have a decent amount of isk, kills and SP. The same thing happens for my alliance, although we&#039;re not a part of the cfc, but the idea is the same anyway.  </p>
<p>This means that broad coalitions like the cfc will always have a significant portion of their membership having low SP or very little experience. </p>
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		<title>By: low sec call center</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154677</link>
		<dc:creator>low sec call center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why do you keep say &quot;rokths&quot; do you have a lisp? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do you keep say &quot;rokths&quot; do you have a lisp? </p>
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		<title>By: C U N T Y</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154662</link>
		<dc:creator>C U N T Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What faggot neg repped this? Go fuck yourself you shitcat. LOL ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What faggot neg repped this? Go fuck yourself you shitcat. LOL </p>
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		<title>By: CuntY</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154661</link>
		<dc:creator>CuntY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah bro, I gave up trying to argue with the numbskulls, do you know a lot of a faggots think &#039;hellcat&#039; comes from some fucking TV show? History is so neglected.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah bro, I gave up trying to argue with the numbskulls, do you know a lot of a faggots think &#039;hellcat&#039; comes from some fucking TV show? History is so neglected.  </p>
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		<title>By: nc.</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/10/07/tweetfleet-change-takes-time/comment-page-1/#comment-154660</link>
		<dc:creator>nc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;null tactics&quot; in the broadest sense of the term :p ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;null tactics&quot; in the broadest sense of the term :p </p>
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