A Bot makes 20-35 mil with only 50 days training in a CNR with a Cloak……Plex isnt 500 mil because FW or any other flavor of the month PVE action but ISK Sellers using this as an example to explain why so much market action is activated.

Hbot makes 20 mil an Hour and takes 30 days to train, so lets say he mines for 6 months then gets banned esp since they cant monitor nullsec, if he did it 10 hours a day [But in reality they run 10 accounts] thats 200mil per day so at 6 months days….

All of this is very conservative when we had a few famus botters we interviewed they had bots for 2 years and 50-100 accounts with 10 comps running 10 accounts each and they would rotate in 10 hour shifts. FYI

So 1 bot at 10 hours a day that can be made in a "Friend Invites" free 51 days will make 1.4 bil per week on the very lowest settings, tuck them away in Deep 35 jump from NPC Dek, Branch or Stain, Detroid etc and its 30-35 mil since the bot isnt interrupted at all by reds and you can run them 16 hours a day.

1.5 bilish x 4 weeks = 6 bil per month, thats only 10 hours at only 20 mil which a miner makes. But a CNR Bot makes 30ish a Carrier even more.

Now imagine out of the 40k guys online theres just 1k Bots online thats 200 bil a month easily…..Now Bots have been very very active esp in 2006-2010.

So the fault here is assuming ALL THE ISK is made now, when in reality alot of these old botters went dormant for 1-3 years with 100`s of billions and these RMT`ers were selling ISK slowly not to be caught, but with stuff like FW and other stuff like when WH`s came out plex`s always rose to 500 mil, eventhough only10% of Eve wasactually being successful.

These make super amounts of ISK work just like old Gold Strikes…..Alot of Hype and mostly a small ggroup makes the ISK while the others make about the same amount as Lvl 4 missiners make when you add it all up like POS in WH`s and how much they are actually getting supplies etc where as a lvl 4 guy just buys ammo and goes to do a mission he has donbe 50 times before and is lightning fast.

All ISK is not new, and infact I would bet 30% of ISk made is from Bots, as they dont care about wars etc…..You cant tell me these small alli`s in Catch who just rat can be so rich and pay huge rent just by human ratting with 20-30 actives….Nope they all have Bots active while they work etc and the landlords dont care as long as rent is paid and they get to roam and farm them with kills etc sometimes.

That isnt human Ratting or mining.

Look at the 184 plex thread above….That is exactly one of the ways I said you can RMT through Plex.

Act like you were robbed, when in reality he paid real money and they told him where to go, But no that cant be he was a super smart spy right? Yeah so smart he left his Aeon at 77 m/s full ahead outside a pos while he was AFK eating and we killed him.

Botting ISK and ISK since 2004 is still in the game, thats why im saying now a days all the ISK is definately not player made….Not at all, we have entire old toons 6 years old leaving game with 100`s of billions in ISK, alot was botted and even if alot wasnt and it was grinded it has nothing to do with players now…That old ISK is being used to buy Plex`s then sell them on the internet.

As far as I can see, none of these things are against the rules.

A fool and his plexes are soon parted. There are ways around this that solve what is in effect, a principle agent problem. You act like there is nothing anyone can do. Sure Garmon or somebody like him could insist on payment up front, but anyone who paid him would be a fool.

Where do you think the isk comes from that players use to buy the minerals and the tecnetium? The only raw isk faucets are bounties, missions, and the few things NPC corporations actually buy.

Oh, and the what, 10k isk a new player gets when they start.

Moon goo, t3 production, doesn't actually generate raw isk.
PLEX doesn't actually generate raw isk.

Yes, CCP is facilitating sanctioned RMT via selling PLEX. Before that they did so with sanctioned time card sales. However PLEX nor GTC's actually produce ISK.

EDIT: Dammit, Azran's post was hidden in the "reply system" Now I see it after I post this. Sorry for repeating what was already said.

All isk in eve, orginates from NPC bounty, mission rewards, and (a tiny fraction of NPC commodity buy orders)

Nothing else 'creates' isk. Moon goo sales, plex sales etc are all movements of isk from one person to another… they dont create isk.

So Justin's statement: "The only way isk gets in-game in the first place is through npc bounties. " is correct.

Go type in "Buy ISK" most sites will reccomend you trade plex instead as its not monitered as closely at all.

Point is price goes up and has stayed up since ISK sellers realised its way way safer to use Plex and they all decided as a group to do it at once, so where as before remote plex`s would sit in unsafe locations for cheap now itsactually worth a player buying 80 plexs and using a JF to go and get it with an alt blue to the company…..Hence the price goes up.

I wasnt actuall ysaying GSF does it for sure I was using them as the latest and greatest in power blocks, but if you actually think all the ISK in Eve is from ratting or Mining you are insane, Tec and Moons is where at least half the ISK the game makes. Not bounties lol. NPC operations has nothing to do with Moons.

Wallets are fatter not because of what you are saying, but becausee the game is older, in 2005 When I started my 2nd go at Eve there were 4k people on. Now the game is so old there is loads of old ISK floating around, hell I just activated an old toon who was in BoB and she had over 30 Random ships, I also know 3 people who had T2 missile BPO`s…..Its simply old money and the AVG person now is willing to invest RL money thats why.

In 2003 People wouldnt buy RMT because they wernt sure Eve would make it, look at WOT there goldsales have tripled since they announced Physics and promised not to shutdown US server.

Old money, just like an immortal who could have invested 100 dollars in say union pacific would be rich now, so did players older players who mostly are rich now….Well them running alliances with 10x the number of old corps means you lose ships at 10x the rate meaning at any ime I used to have 5 Cruisers and solo PVP and when I lost I re-shipped for 10 mil now I need 1 bil to ship up for an avg array of ships.

ALot of things changed that but mostly age, and sorry to burst your bubble but CCP is RMTing and RMT`ers who arent CCP realised to get on board with CCP`s RMT was much safer….Right now the Plex price to be RMT`d is 8-10 dollars a pop, sure some SomerBlink Addicts wasted 3 g`s RL money over the last year in GTC`s to get the extra 150mil but who cares, im explaining why PLEX has not just risen but stayed high, every single time a broken mechanic hits PLEXS have gone up, but in reality how many actually have joined FW? CCP said 40% increase, that is not enough at all to make all Plexs insta Bought in any location by BOTS, go ahead buy a plex and sell it for 10 mil below price in some remote region, it will get insta bought right off, so an RMTer can sell his loot.