Comments on: Dev Post: Shield Boosters getting their own Nerf Treatment.

By: Andrew Ihegbu

Andrew Ihegbu — Sat, 18 May 2013 08:27:09 +0000

*much not muck

By: Andrew Ihegbu

Andrew Ihegbu — Sat, 18 May 2013 08:26:45 +0000

Gallente, muck like Minmatar are meant to dual tank. Some ships shield some armor. Armor already has a huge passive advantage in lots of places and pretty much owns capitals too, and ancillary armor boosters would never work, as energy mass conversions would ruin the day. What you should be looking for is a better hardener-thingymajig to exploit the fact that now CCP are trying to make armor more passive oriented and shield more active without introducing a huge cap dependency for all shield ships.

By: Andrew Ihegbu

Andrew Ihegbu — Sat, 18 May 2013 08:07:02 +0000

Tbh though Armor does have a rather large passive ehp advantage at the BC/BS and capital level. That's how it should be, shields are easy to recharge but armor is harder to break. What with Minmatar being the premier race as far as pvp is concerned and them defaulting to EMP (a shields' hole and armors top resist) as well makes things pretty easy for the smart player.

By: Ashesofempires

Ashesofempires — Sat, 22 Sep 2012 08:18:23 +0000

Hull tanking has never been considered a viable tanking strategy. Damage controls and reinforced bulkheads exist to buy some time to catch reps, warp off the field or make it through a gate. Hull repair mods exist so that players don't have to fly to a station to fix their burning ship. Anyone who lived out of a pos in a part of null or w space knows that it can be serious hassle to fly to a station every time they take structure damage.

I don't have any problems with mechanical differences in armor tanking vs shield, but there are serious imbalances in repair rate, ehp per mod, and penalties.

By: bleh

bleh — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:49:43 +0000

u maibe forgot the falcon ? the scorpion? the rokh

By: Father Gabriel

Father Gabriel — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:45:57 +0000

they did this in the past .. but seems they did not learn from it .. perhapse they need to lose some customers again .. to get back to the people, who pay them

By: Father Gabriel

Father Gabriel — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:43:46 +0000

its not from me .. but i find this commend very good and post it here … ccp is terrible .. read why ->

"…CCP's goal here is *not* balance. The goal is to make the game much easier for the DUST players, whom CCP expects to convert into a new Eve player base – incidentally, one which is willing to P2W – thus replacing the existing flat-lined, sub-only no-P2W player base…"

By: John Douche

John Douche — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:23:05 +0000

Not only that. Amarr and Gallente have more hull than Caldari and Minmatar. This means armor tanking needs to be weaker than shield tanking. At least on paper, but the problem is that logistics do not rep hulls and so one never sees too many armor tankers. The concept is broken at the root and just keeps rotting the rest of whatever balance is left. You cannot fix it with giving armor logistics bonuses to hull repping, because nobody will want to care for armor+hull when they can have ships with good shields and forget about the rest. Shields recharge themselves and do not need to be repped to 100% every single time and logistics can skip the last rep cycle, while armor logistics needs to add one more when maybe only half the amount is needed to reach full 100%. It is a collection of little things that overall makes armor tanking less desirable and therefore impossible to balance against shield tanking.

While we are seeing Drakes and Hurricanes, Tengus and Lokis, Maelstroms and Rokhs, is the latest trend in armor tanking the Navy Apoc, because only faction ships now are able to compete with shield tanking. There is no more obvious sign of an imbalance than a complete absence of armor tankers on the field.

By: Ashesofempires

Ashesofempires — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:43:41 +0000

Armor tanking suffers from speed AND agility penalties, while shield tanking suffers from only sig radius penalties.

Active armor tanking requires twice the number of repair modules to rep the same amount, is back-loaded, has obscenely long cycle times, and the only benefit is slightly lower cap usage (which is already absurdly high for the two races that armor tank).

By: Father Gabriel

Father Gabriel — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:02:15 +0000

no, they try to lose customers

By: derp

derp — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:37:51 +0000

CCP: we didnt think through most of what we deployed…QUICK NERF ALLLLL THE THINGS!

By: Father Gabriel

Father Gabriel — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:07:08 +0000

naaah we are not speakin about your mam m8 eh eh eh

By: asdf

asdf — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:36:10 +0000

I think limiting number of ancillary shield boosters to 1 per ship would have been much better solution.

The way you should think ancillary shield boosters is that how much shield you get from full 13 cycles and then compare that amount to buffer tank. Suddenly ancillary shield boosters aren't overpowered. In most of the ships they can deliver little bit more shield than you would get from LSE + core defense field extenders, but while doing so you have much less ehp protecting you from volley damage.

By: ur_primary

ur_primary — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:01:24 +0000

yeah, the ASB should be changed. its too powerful. CCP…when making these new mods u obviously dont think how it effect the different race ships……i mean why would u give ships which dont require energy to fire their weapons a module which dont require capacitor to rep shield!!! fucking stupid. You just make the shield missile boats and some minmatar ships even more powerful.

also, coz of the mid slots, gallente which are supposed to armour ships are starting to shield tank…while amar ships dont get shit from the ASB. how balanced is that CCP? sigh

rather than nerfing the ASB pleeeaaase introduce a ancilory armor booster. it would give amar ships a boost, stop galllente shield tanking, and not piss of vet players who love the ASB……use ur brain CCP, if u have one

By: amar diehard

amar diehard — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:49:13 +0000

TRUE!!! but what what i love most about the ASB is that armor ships like gallente get to have insane shileds while amar ships with their 3 mids remain shit ….. wooohooo CCP,lol