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	<title>Comments on: Dev Blog: Ship Balancing Winter Update</title>
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		<title>By: Mattias</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-151302</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Stabber model makes Matty a happy hunter. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Stabber model makes Matty a happy hunter. </p>
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		<title>By: rr77</title>
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		<dc:creator>rr77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the reason its on the top of the kills chart is: every large ally uses it for their fleets. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the reason its on the top of the kills chart is: every large ally uses it for their fleets. </p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148923</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol.. they are very productive on iceland..  
 
Next winter expansion, we present to you 40 re balanced ships..And next summer we will give you re balanced  battlecruisers.. YAAARRRR we are awome at CCP.  
 
NOW GIVE US YOUR MONEY STUPID PEASANTS.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol.. they are very productive on iceland..  </p>
<p>Next winter expansion, we present to you 40 re balanced ships..And next summer we will give you re balanced  battlecruisers.. YAAARRRR we are awome at CCP.  </p>
<p>NOW GIVE US YOUR MONEY STUPID PEASANTS.    </p>
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		<title>By: Jesus</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148609</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tribal Band eh? Well that&#039;s ok I expect to hear stupid shit like this from you anyways. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tribal Band eh? Well that&#039;s ok I expect to hear stupid shit like this from you anyways. </p>
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		<title>By: minimee</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148366</link>
		<dc:creator>minimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First i want to note that you can&#039;t compare fleet roles with solo pvp or  pve roles  some ships are great for fleets some for solo pvp and some for pve. 
 
Take the Cyclone (Mimatar) great ship for PvE due to the bonus to shield booster  
 
Only drakes you say? I recall CFC was using Mass Arty Canes a 18month ago? give and take a few month. and because 50% of eves players fly in alliances that form DRAKE only fleet the numbers will be screwed. 
  
The reason why Shield tanking is better then Armor tanking for Fleets is 1# Speed 2# better gank on lowslots  
 
Thats why Hurricane &amp; Drakes are the two ships mostly used in fleet combat  
 
I think they should do something about all the Battle Cruiser but that will come in the Summer expansion.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First i want to note that you can&#039;t compare fleet roles with solo pvp or  pve roles  some ships are great for fleets some for solo pvp and some for pve. </p>
<p>Take the Cyclone (Mimatar) great ship for PvE due to the bonus to shield booster  </p>
<p>Only drakes you say? I recall CFC was using Mass Arty Canes a 18month ago? give and take a few month. and because 50% of eves players fly in alliances that form DRAKE only fleet the numbers will be screwed. </p>
<p>The reason why Shield tanking is better then Armor tanking for Fleets is 1# Speed 2# better gank on lowslots  </p>
<p>Thats why Hurricane &amp; Drakes are the two ships mostly used in fleet combat  </p>
<p>I think they should do something about all the Battle Cruiser but that will come in the Summer expansion.  </p>
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		<title>By: bupi</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148354</link>
		<dc:creator>bupi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YESSSSS finally the stabber wouldnt look like a p***s with lepra :D ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YESSSSS finally the stabber wouldnt look like a p***s with lepra <img src='http://evenews24.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Thunderdome</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148344</link>
		<dc:creator>Thunderdome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks good CCP! 
 
Only thing is destroyers are no way overpowered in comparison to frigates. While this may be intentional, the relative costs of say a destroyer compared to a t2 frig (which might actually be able to live 1v1 against a destroyer; a t1 frig will almost certainly die) is something to look into.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks good CCP! </p>
<p>Only thing is destroyers are no way overpowered in comparison to frigates. While this may be intentional, the relative costs of say a destroyer compared to a t2 frig (which might actually be able to live 1v1 against a destroyer; a t1 frig will almost certainly die) is something to look into.  </p>
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		<title>By: taffelmester</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148322</link>
		<dc:creator>taffelmester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are wrong. There&#039;s a reason the Drake has at least twice the number of kills as the second place on eve-kill top 20 list every month. It&#039;s very much so overpowered. Why is it we&#039;re having this discussion every year day out and day in? It&#039;s because it&#039;s OP. Even &quot;elite PvP&quot; alliances like NCdot use Drakes occasionally with good effect. The buffer is huge, the range is ridicilously good and it&#039;s extremely cheap. When you&#039;re fighting Drakes you always primary the other BC&#039;s first because they only have half the tank of the Drake. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wrong. There&#039;s a reason the Drake has at least twice the number of kills as the second place on eve-kill top 20 list every month. It&#039;s very much so overpowered. Why is it we&#039;re having this discussion every year day out and day in? It&#039;s because it&#039;s OP. Even &quot;elite PvP&quot; alliances like NCdot use Drakes occasionally with good effect. The buffer is huge, the range is ridicilously good and it&#039;s extremely cheap. When you&#039;re fighting Drakes you always primary the other BC&#039;s first because they only have half the tank of the Drake. </p>
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		<title>By: Scar</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148320</link>
		<dc:creator>Scar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know right ? !!!!!!!!!!! YAY . . . I just can&#039;t seem to fly a Vaga without the frilly ears. :3 ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know right ? !!!!!!!!!!! YAY . . . I just can&#039;t seem to fly a Vaga without the frilly ears. :3 </p>
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		<title>By: buggrit</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148310</link>
		<dc:creator>buggrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let the cane be!! One of the best ships to fly, one of the first to be primaried. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the cane be!! One of the best ships to fly, one of the first to be primaried. </p>
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		<title>By: BntyHunter</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148308</link>
		<dc:creator>BntyHunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Drake on its own is fine and really T2 BC`s are all solid ships, but its just the quality of pilots who make them look bad and they have been known to be PVE boats so these low level blobbers use them because they are cheap and 85% a BS. 
 
In reality a 1v1 a Myrm will dominate the Drake flown right, 
 
If they ever fix cruise missiles, I actually think the game will get fun, A cruise is slow enough to truly firewall reliably and Torpswould be amazing to actually slug with, IMO orps whould have the most raw DPS in Game to make up fr terrible tacking and flight time, but hell even a 1400 howi can hit a cruiser with a painter on him, a Torp never will. 
 
But if they made them AOE weapons again like the olden days Torp would be worth it, firing into blobs hitting 4-5 ships, it whould be similiar to bombs....Sounds like a blast. AOE but DMG would be dispersed so a Trp could do 1k DMG but instead of hitting all 4 ships for 1k it would be like 250 DMG+25% etc ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Drake on its own is fine and really T2 BC`s are all solid ships, but its just the quality of pilots who make them look bad and they have been known to be PVE boats so these low level blobbers use them because they are cheap and 85% a BS. </p>
<p>In reality a 1v1 a Myrm will dominate the Drake flown right, </p>
<p>If they ever fix cruise missiles, I actually think the game will get fun, A cruise is slow enough to truly firewall reliably and Torpswould be amazing to actually slug with, IMO orps whould have the most raw DPS in Game to make up fr terrible tacking and flight time, but hell even a 1400 howi can hit a cruiser with a painter on him, a Torp never will. </p>
<p>But if they made them AOE weapons again like the olden days Torp would be worth it, firing into blobs hitting 4-5 ships, it whould be similiar to bombs&#8230;.Sounds like a blast. AOE but DMG would be dispersed so a Trp could do 1k DMG but instead of hitting all 4 ships for 1k it would be like 250 DMG+25% etc </p>
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		<title>By: BntyHunter</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148305</link>
		<dc:creator>BntyHunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still no Caldari ship thats like a Mini Drake....Also I love the Drake and was using i way before the Hoardes were and people thought CCCx3 was a Drake....We Ham Drake Pilots lured soooo many in to murder. 
 
What im pissed about is Missiles are supposed to be the primary for Cald, with Hybrids as second because hybrids are truly owned by Gal. 
 
So instead of giving us our 5% resist bonus ships always in Hybrid format they need to pull a Drake and finally give us Missiles and the resist bonus. 
 
Look at how bad the Rokh was until now, imagine if it had equal 25% bonus with missiles and Cruises were actually fixxed.  
 
And the Kestrel to me should be the close range missile brawler, Sorry but the MOA is just a Rax minus the drones it really should be a missile boat with its bonus being with HAMS not HML`s. 
The problem is they arent specific enough in bonuses sometimes, if you want a long range hybrid ship give it 10% bonus to rail range and 5% range to blasters etc. 
 
IMO the raven is the perfect example of how without 25% bonus to tank missile ships have to overcome to much in flight time and tracking [esp Torps] to be useful, a Rail gun at 100 KM can track a fast frig, but missiles can never track them and th lag between targets in fleet fights is by far to long. 
 
I think the snipers like the Rokh should be just like the Apoc T2 while our primary ship should mirror the Abby but with missiles instead, and dress all ships down from there, let it be known T3 BS is Brawler, T2 BS is Sniper, T1 BS is Multi-Role non better by a tont just purposed that way. 
 
So Merlin IMO should be a brawling Rocket boat, Moa should be brawling HAM boat similiar to Hawk and Kestrel should be super fast Sniper/Blaster boat like the Harpy, and Caracal should be a fast moving Hybrid boat. 
 
Think about it in space missile ships would be the sluggers. And really the reason the Drake was and is used so much is because A.it was ratters choice so you could have a militia of sorts. B. We had no great BS, hybrids sucked and now they made our sniper ship no our brawler the one with EHP bonus. 
 
Its simple ABby/Rohk/Mael/Hyp all primarily close range brawlers. T2 all snipers and T1 multipurpose like the Phoon or Geddon. 
 
I would think CCP would understand the main popular ships for Cald all have missiles and tanks, its simple, they need to do the same with al classes. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no Caldari ship thats like a Mini Drake&#8230;.Also I love the Drake and was using i way before the Hoardes were and people thought CCCx3 was a Drake&#8230;.We Ham Drake Pilots lured soooo many in to murder. </p>
<p>What im pissed about is Missiles are supposed to be the primary for Cald, with Hybrids as second because hybrids are truly owned by Gal. </p>
<p>So instead of giving us our 5% resist bonus ships always in Hybrid format they need to pull a Drake and finally give us Missiles and the resist bonus. </p>
<p>Look at how bad the Rokh was until now, imagine if it had equal 25% bonus with missiles and Cruises were actually fixxed.  </p>
<p>And the Kestrel to me should be the close range missile brawler, Sorry but the MOA is just a Rax minus the drones it really should be a missile boat with its bonus being with HAMS not HML`s.<br />
The problem is they arent specific enough in bonuses sometimes, if you want a long range hybrid ship give it 10% bonus to rail range and 5% range to blasters etc. </p>
<p>IMO the raven is the perfect example of how without 25% bonus to tank missile ships have to overcome to much in flight time and tracking [esp Torps] to be useful, a Rail gun at 100 KM can track a fast frig, but missiles can never track them and th lag between targets in fleet fights is by far to long. </p>
<p>I think the snipers like the Rokh should be just like the Apoc T2 while our primary ship should mirror the Abby but with missiles instead, and dress all ships down from there, let it be known T3 BS is Brawler, T2 BS is Sniper, T1 BS is Multi-Role non better by a tont just purposed that way. </p>
<p>So Merlin IMO should be a brawling Rocket boat, Moa should be brawling HAM boat similiar to Hawk and Kestrel should be super fast Sniper/Blaster boat like the Harpy, and Caracal should be a fast moving Hybrid boat. </p>
<p>Think about it in space missile ships would be the sluggers. And really the reason the Drake was and is used so much is because A.it was ratters choice so you could have a militia of sorts. B. We had no great BS, hybrids sucked and now they made our sniper ship no our brawler the one with EHP bonus. </p>
<p>Its simple ABby/Rohk/Mael/Hyp all primarily close range brawlers. T2 all snipers and T1 multipurpose like the Phoon or Geddon. </p>
<p>I would think CCP would understand the main popular ships for Cald all have missiles and tanks, its simple, they need to do the same with al classes. </p>
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		<title>By: Ashesofempires</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashesofempires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Going by the new Kestrel, it will get a 5% bonus to all damage types, and a velocity bonus. The Caracal will probably get the same treatment, but it already has the velocity bonus. The Raven may have its ROF bonus changed to a damage bonus as well, retaining the velocity bonus. 
 
I did some quick napkin math, using full level 5 skills, and a GSF drake fit, and the drake went from 89.9k EHP to 77k. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going by the new Kestrel, it will get a 5% bonus to all damage types, and a velocity bonus. The Caracal will probably get the same treatment, but it already has the velocity bonus. The Raven may have its ROF bonus changed to a damage bonus as well, retaining the velocity bonus. </p>
<p>I did some quick napkin math, using full level 5 skills, and a GSF drake fit, and the drake went from 89.9k EHP to 77k. </p>
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		<title>By: BBTop</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/09/11/dev-blog-ship-balancing-winter-update/comment-page-1/#comment-148284</link>
		<dc:creator>BBTop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have never flown a blaster prophecy..... AMAZING SHIP!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&amp;kll_id=12643130&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&amp;kll_id=126...&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&amp;kll_id=12899559&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&amp;kll_id=128...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
people dont expect it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have never flown a blaster prophecy&#8230;.. AMAZING SHIP!  <a href="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&amp;kll_id=12643130" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&#038;kll_id=126" rel="nofollow">http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&#038;kll_id=126</a>&#8230;  <a href="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&amp;kll_id=12899559" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&#038;kll_id=128" rel="nofollow">http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&#038;kll_id=128</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>people dont expect it. </p>
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		<title>By: BBTop</title>
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		<dc:creator>BBTop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TBH a Resistance bonus donesnt go in line with the rest of the Caldari missle ships. Reference the Caracal, the kestral, and the raven. 
I would say increase the HP, remove the resistance bonus, and give it a ROF bonus, or a CPU cost reduction of missle launcher bonus, allowing it to increase its dps or tank.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TBH a Resistance bonus donesnt go in line with the rest of the Caldari missle ships. Reference the Caracal, the kestral, and the raven.<br />
I would say increase the HP, remove the resistance bonus, and give it a ROF bonus, or a CPU cost reduction of missle launcher bonus, allowing it to increase its dps or tank.  </p>
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