Gevlon Globbin is famous in the Word of Warcraft circle for having mastered the “gold-cap” concept. His Eve journey show a very interesting “outside the box” approach to the game, PVE and the trade hubs, reason for which we invite you to pay a visit to his blog.
Greedy Goblin: The Apocalypses of Hope
The HoneyBadger Coalition can’t stop to amuse me. Not only because they managed to capture the most sov and by disconnecting from CFC, turning into an allied but individual coalition. I already praised their kitchen sink fleets, where members bring their own-funded ships to battle.
I already liked that they fielded Rokhs instead of the Drakes which have the badge of “New Eden welfare office against starvation”. However now they managed to truly surprise me: they fielded Navy Apocalypse battleships. These things cost around 500M just for the hull. Now that’s a huge jump from Drakes. And they work! I always told that ISK matter in fights and the “moar ppl” strategy only bring you to such point, but I did not expect it to be implemented so fast, and especially not by HBC, considering the stressed financial situation of TEST (PL probably fares better or at least has larger reserves).
Now I have a problem: where is the point when the best is good enough to take the good with the bad? I mean after long (and often hilarious) search I found how industrialists could be included into nullsec alliances: by getting their own donation board, a place for both personal pride and a tool to silence a “lol ima pvper ur a carebear” idiot by pointing out that his contribution, measured in ISK damage to the enemy is 5-10% of the contribution of a “carebear”. The previous ideas (which were necessary steps to reach this conclusion), received extreme amount of laughter and mocking, but this one received only support and approval, so it has good chance to work.
However it won’t be implemented now by any existing powerblock. Big things turn slow, especially if the changes affect the culture. They change only when forced. So I simply wanted to wait until they’ll be in a dire financial situation enough to make changes. My plan was to amass enough money to single-handedly solve the bankruptcy of an alliance asking the implementation of the donation board in return. Two things are going bad for TEST, one is Tech nerf, the other is FW. FW offers much better ISK than highsec, offering even more moneymaking options to people than nullsec ratting that the alliance can tax. Also the FW LP print make faction items cheap, so more people can replace their T2 modules to faction, decreasing Tech prices even more.
But now I’m not so sure about this plan. HBC already did lot of good things and with the Navy Apocalypse fleet they clearly became much better for my taste than any other existing block. They shine out of the PvP herd mentality: “lol, we don’t care about land, we had more kills.” Instead they say “we don’t give a damn on losses, we win land”, just what I want to hear. There are three outcomes to consider:
I wait until they are financially bled out. When facing losing sov because they (or someone else) can’t replace fleets, they accept that industry is a necessary and valuable thing and implement some form of industry-respecting system. Maybe my donation board, maybe something else, but the point is that they will welcome players who contribute via ISK and not PvP time and consider them equally valuable. Anyway, my long term ideas would be fulfilled and “I made history”.
I wait and when they run out of cash, instead accepting industry, they return to cheap ships or lose some regions or simply failcascade and replaced by the PvP herd. Either way all the things I like about them (Slowcats, Navapocs, Supercap drops, kitchen sink, kicking the worst scammer of EVE) are lost. I can spend years in highsec, waiting for the next opportunity.
I suck it up, accept the good with the bad and start sending them donation, asking no changes in return. I have 70B unused cash now, so I can safely donate 20B/month to them. This allows the reimbursement of 40 Navapocs/month and above all, finally stabilize the terrible budget of TEST. No history is made, but I helped improving the overall quality of nullsec.
Please note that it wouldn’t be “buying myself in”, the donation would not demand any changes of recruitment policy, so I still wouldn’t fit in. If I wanted to get in on their terms, I could for free, all I need is an anonymous alt. I want to join as an industrialist who sometimes fly (only when structures are involved) and not as a PvP pilot who carebears on some hidden highsec alt, so they wouldn’t take me. The question is, shall I support an alliance where I don’t fit in, one that consider the people like me “lol carebears”, with 20B/month just because they are better than the rest?
I’ll have to think a lot about that and would welcome ideas, especially from those who see a HBC entity from inside. Feel free to contact me about this topic in game convo or mail (Gevlon Goblin). Please don’t use the goblinworks channel for that, it’s offtopic for a trading channel.
I neither want to give up on the idea to get industry recognized in null, nor I want to see the only coalition that fields non-freak fleets to lose or simply stop doing the things I like. Going for both goals can end up achieving neither. Accepting either is giving up on (or at least postponing) the other. Now I feel that EVE is real.
- Greedy Goblin
these navy apoc fleets are not a new concept. there are alliances that live in npc null sec that have been using the navy apoc fleet way before the cfc started using them.
also, please dont insult us by saying test has broken away from the CFC. they are still blue and have TECH moons in CFC space.
buttmad detected
Pull that goon dick out of your mouth before you speak.
Test are head of the hbc coalition now. Test and PL remain blue to the cfc. Other members of the most hbc can and do fight goons. Hbc and cfc however do not target each others space nor so they cloak camp each other.
Your funny dude.
What's funny is the amount of posts demanding the hbc declare total war on cfc. This will gain the hbc universe wide respect. However this is propaganda, trying to manipulate the hbc into doing what the you have failed to do. Maybe the hbc do not need this respect maybe you should do learn to succeed in your own goal and then the hbc will respect you.
if only the HBC or anyone in nullsec in that matter cared about your "respect" lma0
The people saying to declare total war on Goons are just mad and/or dumb. The CFC (this still includes you and I'll get to why) said the same thing about Nc./raiden/white noise/and the drf when they were the top of the food chain. However, the fact that you are still blue to the CFC means you are not in different coalitions. The only resets you did were pets. Being blue =' being in the same coalition when it comes to sov alliances and you still have Goonswarm blue. If you want to be considered your own coalition reset Goons and just have a mutual NIP aka you can shoot each others ships just not shoot each others space. When you do that I will consider you your own coalition.
I am certain the HBC pines for the respect of such vaunted entites as AAA, Raiden., and so forth. Only their own hubris prevents them from doing so, and joining the EVE Cool Kids crowd smoking behind the school.
Test is the head of the HBC???
The head of PL???
You need PL supers/FCs, you need goon isk… thats called a pet
Sounds like Gevlin has drunk a bit much of the TEST koolaide if he believesTEST are no longer pets… they appear to be pets with longer leashes but the leash now is long enogh to hang themselves with
"The HoneyBadger Coalition can’t stop to amuse me. Not only because they managed to capture the most sov and by disconnecting from CFC"
Solar has sov over 380 systems. Test, 252.
But what does solar have in those systems
Lol what does Test have, ,,,,they bankrupt lol
They have -A- harrassing them forever. Its time for PL and HBC to come to Gem and kick Solar in the Teeth and split up Gem 3 ways between NCDOT/PL/Test or better yet [but wont happen] PL/HBC needs to nut up and fight CFC with NCDOT and stop getting pet slop, tech wise. Its time for HBC to show they are indy from CFC. I say take Dek and do what they do Bot ratt until you get 9 k members and only have 100 show up in fleets other 400 just wanna keep there space.
Sad fact is if all CFC`s/GSF`s Pets decided to turn against GSF, GSF woould be screwed, no more 90% Tec moons to GSF along with the best space, come on PL you know you want some massive SC kills vs Goons.
Are you people that desperate that you pray for the cfc allies to turn on them and do the job you can't? That's just plain pathetic.
Also the FW LP print make faction items cheap, so more people can replace their T2 modules to faction, decreasing Tech prices even more. greedy you are full retard
I think though right now the cheap faction items are pretty much all Minitmar which don't help NAPOC's. Most of the modules that would help theNAPOCs need tags too I recall.
With the proposed changes to FW it is going to be ALOT easier to make cheap NAPOC's because the tier 4/5 humps won't be as bad for Amarr.
TEST would be smart to have a alt reserve force for making FW LP for cheap NAPOCs
NULLI could probably do ALOT better if they return to FW after theproposed changed & then go back & dip in every 3-4 months to replentish thier NAPOC reserves
Only when hbc openly oppose cfc hoarde will they begin to gain resect. Until ten they are cfc as far as we are concerned, can carry on shouting the name, doesn't mean shit until you attack dekco retards. You do that and not only will you earn your name, you will also earn respect!
hbc are separate in that they make there own choices. Just because they have a good diplomatic stance with the cfc does not mean they do not exist.
Making your own choices and being independent is about the same as learning to walk is to running a Marathon.
Look at Test so good! They only win when PL is fc'ing… and there's not single fc test allowed to fc NApoc.
Just another shit article made pure propraganda
How is this propaganda. I the guy is not even in the hbc.
Yep he simply has no clue.
You really surprise me with your stupidity. I don't have enough energy to correct you.
Summary: ME ME ME ME ME ME. Im awesome and i will write a blog about how awesome i am.
Wasted my time here : /
Dude I like Test they admit what they are a bunch of dudes who suck at PVP but love doing it, they are polar opposites of GSF who claims being good at PVP and really just blobbing…..But this Dude shows he is from WOW and should stay there IMO.
His whole "Who cares about wins/losses but only count SOV win or loss is totall yass bawkwards of PL thinking and hell most elite PVP squads. Drunk n Disorder, RNK, NCDOT BL. Darkside Bombers Bar etc all dont care for sov….This guy needs to go get his Orc and ine some more gold and missione [or whatever its called in WOW] Lol, stick to what you really know
I, too, am an industrialist and I, too, want a big, f'cking target cross painted on my head, saying, "Shoot me, I am rich"!!
Stuff like this gets suggested every month on the EVE forums…
Was this an advert? A cry for help? Or just the rambling thoughts of a middle class industrialist without a clue? In an event, what part of this article was deemed relevant to an eve news site? Just trying to drive forum responses perhaps.
World of Warcraft huh… no wonder he lost me at "The HoneyBadger Coalition…"
gobilin u dumb
I am really not into 0.0 sov. I just dont care about blob fests. But me and everyone else in circles i am around are seeing TEST and speaking about TEST as part of CFC. They are blue to CFC and whenever their sov d be threatened, big daddy CFC would come and help. U cant call your self a coalition when u r under protection of the big daddy CFC. Thats just pure logic.
I am just telling what lot of ppl are thinking and speaking about. I just never hear about HBC apart from CFC and that HBC coallitions members. Everyone is calling TEST CFC still, me included.
Every time this guy posts I can't stop laughing. Goblin, not only will you never 'get' Eve, you will never even try. Just go back to WoW, honestly. You constantly posting about things which you have no fucking clue about makes any genuine insights you might have into your niche of gameplay (sitting in a station making isk) dismissable.
I tried reading your blog in hopes of finding some decent content, instead what I gathered from your writings is that you are a complete narcissist who will happily spurge forever about three things:
1. How great you are.
2. How everyone else is stupid for not seeing how great you are.
3. Lecturing on subjects you have no actual experience in.
I wonder when HBC will kick CVA out of Providence to cut down the logistics of -A- because as Providence is No Red Don't Shoot the alters of -A- can pass safely with their haulers to empire providing a very nice logistic.
So, i think, HBC or CFC should remove CVA from EVE forever.