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		<title>By: Ashera Yune</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142877</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashera Yune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many ways Somer can cheat. One that includes having shill characters with infinite Blink Credit. 
 
The idea is simple, these shill characters buys a large portion of expensive lotteries on capital ships and faction ships. You typically see them buy a ridiculous amount of tickets 50-75% which greatly costs more that the price of the actual ship.  
 
The legitimate bidders buy the remaining tickets for a fairly substantial amount of money. 
 
The shill at this point has a superior chance of winning. If by some crazy chance his number is not picked, the site will change the numbers to make sure he is the winner.  
 
The prize still remains in Somer blink&#039;s possession, but they have gain practically lots of isk from the victims they ripped off. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many ways Somer can cheat. One that includes having shill characters with infinite Blink Credit. </p>
<p>The idea is simple, these shill characters buys a large portion of expensive lotteries on capital ships and faction ships. You typically see them buy a ridiculous amount of tickets 50-75% which greatly costs more that the price of the actual ship.  </p>
<p>The legitimate bidders buy the remaining tickets for a fairly substantial amount of money. </p>
<p>The shill at this point has a superior chance of winning. If by some crazy chance his number is not picked, the site will change the numbers to make sure he is the winner.  </p>
<p>The prize still remains in Somer blink&#039;s possession, but they have gain practically lots of isk from the victims they ripped off. </p>
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		<title>By: Alua_Oresson</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142627</link>
		<dc:creator>Alua_Oresson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m actually surprised that there are people who actually thought that this wasn&#039;t a scam.  I mean what big money making scheme has Eve had that hasn&#039;t turned into a scam.  The only one that hasn&#039;t turned full blown scam that I can think of is the BIG lottery.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m actually surprised that there are people who actually thought that this wasn&#039;t a scam.  I mean what big money making scheme has Eve had that hasn&#039;t turned into a scam.  The only one that hasn&#039;t turned full blown scam that I can think of is the BIG lottery.   </p>
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		<title>By: JohnDouche</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142549</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnDouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TL;DR: BLINK has got holes, management fears it will bring bad luck to Internet gambling and tries to draw away attention. 
 
When a hot-headed, attention seeking and gambling addicted kid can hack BLINK then probably anyone can hack them. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TL;DR: BLINK has got holes, management fears it will bring bad luck to Internet gambling and tries to draw away attention. </p>
<p>When a hot-headed, attention seeking and gambling addicted kid can hack BLINK then probably anyone can hack them. </p>
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		<title>By: Happy gunner</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142394</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Completely agree. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree. </p>
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		<title>By: Happy gunner</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142393</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool, who was it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, who was it. </p>
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		<title>By: Happy gunner</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142391</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well think of it like this, Blinks (non ccp related) site wrongfuly directs users to send is to an alternate corporation and not the originally intended one. You the player sends isk (all you had to do was click the &quot;deposit&quot; button and it brings the incorrect corporation up) to this attackers fake corporation.  
 
So now tell me, how would CCP deal with that? you sent isk somewhere it shouldnt have gone because of a terribly security issue on somer blinks site which CCP cannot verify even if they wanted to, how would they know that blink didnt just stage this whole thing to intercept more isk out of people? This is how i see it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well think of it like this, Blinks (non ccp related) site wrongfuly directs users to send is to an alternate corporation and not the originally intended one. You the player sends isk (all you had to do was click the &quot;deposit&quot; button and it brings the incorrect corporation up) to this attackers fake corporation.  </p>
<p>So now tell me, how would CCP deal with that? you sent isk somewhere it shouldnt have gone because of a terribly security issue on somer blinks site which CCP cannot verify even if they wanted to, how would they know that blink didnt just stage this whole thing to intercept more isk out of people? This is how i see it. </p>
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		<title>By: @Oddsodz</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142306</link>
		<dc:creator>@Oddsodz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh dear,  Did you miss the part that said they stole ISK by &quot;siphon off isk&quot;?  Think of it like this,  Some nasty player hacks my computer and logs in to my eve account.  Transfers all my ISK to himself.  Now I am sure than once I have proved the incident.  Then CCP would Transfer all the stolen ISK back to me.  Well that is my understanding anyway.   A Moron I maybe,  But at lest I am a moron that can read a whole story ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear,  Did you miss the part that said they stole ISK by &quot;siphon off isk&quot;?  Think of it like this,  Some nasty player hacks my computer and logs in to my eve account.  Transfers all my ISK to himself.  Now I am sure than once I have proved the incident.  Then CCP would Transfer all the stolen ISK back to me.  Well that is my understanding anyway.   A Moron I maybe,  But at lest I am a moron that can read a whole story </p>
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		<title>By: LOL.</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142240</link>
		<dc:creator>LOL.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i do know a guy who claimed that he had some sort of script analyzing the win-patterns of somer a while ago, which found that some of the most winning characters never showed up in the rankings  / statistics. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do know a guy who claimed that he had some sort of script analyzing the win-patterns of somer a while ago, which found that some of the most winning characters never showed up in the rankings  / statistics. </p>
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		<title>By: LOL.</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142239</link>
		<dc:creator>LOL.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a) cookies should never have any relevant information in them ever, usually a proper set cookie contains a session ID and thats it. 
b) sessions should expire when no requests done in a certain amount of time. 
 
everything else is not secure. 
 
c) that guy had lists of usernames + hashes, which means there has been a serious security compromise, now if he got that from a low-level pre-auth account or by other problems, it does not matter - with the hashes, the usernames and a decent rainbow table he is able to login as any of those users. Meaning security relevant information HAS LEAKED. period. there is no talking it down. No matter what sort of a loser the guy who did it was, no matter how much you try to beautify it.  
 
- You had a security issue 
- You had relevant information leaked 
 
Fucking DEAL with it, instead of trying to talk it down.  
 
god damn i hate people who don&#039;t take security serious. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) cookies should never have any relevant information in them ever, usually a proper set cookie contains a session ID and thats it.<br />
b) sessions should expire when no requests done in a certain amount of time. </p>
<p>everything else is not secure. </p>
<p>c) that guy had lists of usernames + hashes, which means there has been a serious security compromise, now if he got that from a low-level pre-auth account or by other problems, it does not matter &#8211; with the hashes, the usernames and a decent rainbow table he is able to login as any of those users. Meaning security relevant information HAS LEAKED. period. there is no talking it down. No matter what sort of a loser the guy who did it was, no matter how much you try to beautify it.  </p>
<p>- You had a security issue<br />
- You had relevant information leaked </p>
<p>Fucking DEAL with it, instead of trying to talk it down.  </p>
<p>god damn i hate people who don&#039;t take security serious. </p>
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		<title>By: Dice</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142235</link>
		<dc:creator>Dice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gaining unauthorised access to computer systems and confidential information?  It&#039;s illegal in the U.S.A. and Australia at least.  For the sake of argument, if SOMERblink&#039;s website was hosted on a server in the USA and the dude from Project Nemesis is a resident of the USA, then I would imagine that criminal charges could be pressed.  Of course, it&#039;s unlikely the Project Nemesis dude would have done his shenanigans without using Tor, so maybe there&#039;s no way to trace the connection.  The logs, they show nothing (useful), happens in real life too, I guess. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaining unauthorised access to computer systems and confidential information?  It&#039;s illegal in the U.S.A. and Australia at least.  For the sake of argument, if SOMERblink&#039;s website was hosted on a server in the USA and the dude from Project Nemesis is a resident of the USA, then I would imagine that criminal charges could be pressed.  Of course, it&#039;s unlikely the Project Nemesis dude would have done his shenanigans without using Tor, so maybe there&#039;s no way to trace the connection.  The logs, they show nothing (useful), happens in real life too, I guess. </p>
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		<title>By: LOL.</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142189</link>
		<dc:creator>LOL.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m telling people for *years* that there are shills (didnt know this word before though =). and no one ever believed me. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#039;m telling people for *years* that there are shills (didnt know this word before though =). and no one ever believed me. </p>
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		<title>By: Jari Sundell</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142166</link>
		<dc:creator>Jari Sundell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hundreds of billions of &#039;fake&#039; ISK on shill accounts and it is dismissed by evenews24 as just a way to drive business to the site? 
 
Damn, even though the whole scam they&#039;ve been running is obvious at the very least don&#039;t make retards of yourselves trying to make lame excuses for them. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hundreds of billions of &#039;fake&#039; ISK on shill accounts and it is dismissed by evenews24 as just a way to drive business to the site? </p>
<p>Damn, even though the whole scam they&#039;ve been running is obvious at the very least don&#039;t make retards of yourselves trying to make lame excuses for them. </p>
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		<title>By: IAmThe3nd</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142163</link>
		<dc:creator>IAmThe3nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its all... meaning a small snippet of boilerplate code (about 20 lines) that show what code would look like to access the random.org api.  
 
That sir is not nearly &quot;all available for scrutiny&quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all&#8230; meaning a small snippet of boilerplate code (about 20 lines) that show what code would look like to access the random.org api.  </p>
<p>That sir is not nearly &quot;all available for scrutiny&quot; </p>
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		<title>By: Widdershins</title>
		<link>http://evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-142149</link>
		<dc:creator>Widdershins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 04:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi. 
 
Other commentary aside, I can clarify some specific things for you on the legal end of the spectrum. 
 
From a legal standpoint, SOMER Blink&#039;s gambling enterprise is not a gambling endeavor at all. ISK has no value legally: all assets, currency, and everything else that exists in EVE is the exclusive property of CCP and they reserve all rights to do whatever the hell they want with it. Not only can you not own any of it, but you cannot have any interest in it either. Stealing ISK or items, even PLEX, from other players in EVE is not a crime because there is no possible way it can legally benefit you. If anything, actually cashing out on it (getting someone to pay you real world money for these goods) is the criminal part, since CCP can and probably will take it away from them upon discovery of such a transaction; if they didn&#039;t know about this going into it, there is a bit of an argument that you may have scammed them with false claims as to what they would receive. 
 
As far as any court is concerned, the concerns of ISK being transferred and any unseemly goings-on in this area are basically speculation and betting with and on monopoly money blowing around in a furnace. There is no possible way to claim damages or misconduct whatever the case, as there was nothing of value to begin with. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. </p>
<p>Other commentary aside, I can clarify some specific things for you on the legal end of the spectrum. </p>
<p>From a legal standpoint, SOMER Blink&#039;s gambling enterprise is not a gambling endeavor at all. ISK has no value legally: all assets, currency, and everything else that exists in EVE is the exclusive property of CCP and they reserve all rights to do whatever the hell they want with it. Not only can you not own any of it, but you cannot have any interest in it either. Stealing ISK or items, even PLEX, from other players in EVE is not a crime because there is no possible way it can legally benefit you. If anything, actually cashing out on it (getting someone to pay you real world money for these goods) is the criminal part, since CCP can and probably will take it away from them upon discovery of such a transaction; if they didn&#039;t know about this going into it, there is a bit of an argument that you may have scammed them with false claims as to what they would receive. </p>
<p>As far as any court is concerned, the concerns of ISK being transferred and any unseemly goings-on in this area are basically speculation and betting with and on monopoly money blowing around in a furnace. There is no possible way to claim damages or misconduct whatever the case, as there was nothing of value to begin with. </p>
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		<title>By: Happy gunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 03:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One would think so but not really, ISK is not real currency, from the time you hit complete purchase when buying a GTC to the time you selld that GTC in game for ISK it becomes virtual (non-realworld valued) currency. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One would think so but not really, ISK is not real currency, from the time you hit complete purchase when buying a GTC to the time you selld that GTC in game for ISK it becomes virtual (non-realworld valued) currency. </p>
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