Some pilots basically went to high sec complexes and sat in cap stable ships, let sentry drones out and put a small remote repper on each one of those, turned on their local repper and left to work / etc.
Party is over, as originally posted here:
Dearest Internet Spaceship Pilots,
It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in AFK Complex farming. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon. While this activity does not necessitate the use of a 3rd party program in order to carry it out you ARE generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping which is not being present playing the game. As such our automated systems will continue to detect and institute administrative actions for this activity. We do not find this to be acceptable gameplay.
All accounts which were tagged prior to this notification will be given the benefit of the doubt and a one-time “amnesty”, removing the offending marks from the account. Going forward any administrative actions will remain in place. Game Design will also be looking at changing our complex systems so that this is no longer possible in the near future.
Thank you for your time and attention,
CCP Sreegs
Sreegs is such a party pooper. ^^
- R
what the fuck is this bullshit again CCP? they are paying your damn game so quit complaining about this stuffs
Exactly. They are playing "their" damn game so "they" can do whatever the hell they want to with "their" damn game.
Hmmm, I think you are mad bro. Can you confirm?
yeah i am mad
Most honest answer on this site in months.
He's mad cause now he can't bot or afk farm anymore. poor poor carebear
I LOL'd so hard when he said he was mad
Think that was the first time I've seen someone admit it *takes picture*
Please quit paying for your account, and go "play" another game afk, we don't want you here.
We can do what we want with our subscriptions
Please quit paying for your account, and go "play" another game afk, we don't want you here.
exactly… qq bro…
haha fuck ya farm fags
right in the butthole
Burn them all!!
Жгите всех!
Make it so if you are caught doing that you get flagged up in local. Anyone can scan you down and administer beach justice to your…and your pod. No concord reprisals for the shooter.
I approve of this product/service.
This is the correct response. Make it dangerous and then they can choose to afk or not.
You could even explain as the pirates having the time to scan your ship signature and hack concord's system giving capsuleers the ability to find you and to get away with it (since concord is no longer aware of your presence)
+1 great idea.
I heard enacting arbitrary rules over gameplay is a good way to compensate for your inability to design a game.
Instead of baning people for going AFK in such complexs, what about making it impossible to get isk that way? You know, like, making them real threats, removing their bounty (battleship bounty in highsec? Really?), limitating their presence.
But no, actually designing a game is hard, better work on that sansha V3 and ban people.
You mad? Sorry you can't acquire isk while watching the Gilmore Girls marathon. Better luck next time.
Any game design to prevent fool play will ultimately bring new and seemingly unnecessary limitations for the fair gamers. It sure as hell is not CCP's fault. It takes a very specific mind to plan for it and to fit a ship for AFK ratting. A fair player does not get the idea to do this, but carries on with his game.
I realize the PVE code is ridiculously old and intertwined everywhere to the point where it would be horrifying to fix it… but really. If the problem is bad enough, you would think CCP would dig into it. Maybe throw another component onto the PVE content that spawns extra, unexpected ships into things, making PVE more dynamic and thus unpredictable.
I dont know what the PvE code looks like, but I cant imagine it to be hard to:
-Remove bounty of ships in said complexs or downgrade the ships in these complexs into lower sizes, reducing the flow of bounty
-Make said complexs scannable and limit the number of spawns, and respawning shortly after being run, like anomaly do
The first solution, especially, shouldnt require more than a few database change.
The "problem" here isnt due to some inherent flaw in eve's PvE, it's just poor game design not being corrected.
And to be clear, it doesnt even have to be a permanent solution. They could just put their bounty to 0 for the time they need to fix the issue. But banning people for "exploiting" their failure at designing their game is stupid and counter productive.
Why would they fix EVE when CCP has numerous other platforms we helped develop to use..WoD, Dust514 amd some really shitty PAX games
This Idea coupled with something like, NPC target cycling would help people stop dropping sentries so easily. as target cycling like how Gate guns would in lowsec, drones will eventually die and more over become useless if ur not watching them. which means when ur drones go pop.. well lets just hope ur not in some ridiculous buffer fitted officer lolfit navy dominix….
Its a sandbox. We have to design our own content while ccp makes "funny" videos for the next fanfest.
Just make it so that when you're afk, you are "unable" to call for concord support if attacked. So afk ratting is acceptable but if that's the case, you can be pew'd and there's nothing to stop that. Now there's a Risk/Reward involved.
Guys, don't be so hard on Spergs. CCP really needs the tax breaks they get from employing the handi-capable.
What proof will CCP have that the person is not actually sitting at their computer watching their drones doing this?
what proof does CCP have that the person is actually sitting at their computer watching their drones doing this?
Better to punch the worthless carebears in the face and get them to doing something than let them get isk while masturbating in the shower.
If it is done 23/7 and for several days then you can be sure that someone has not been sleeping for days, is sharing his or her account (not allowed), or is in fact afk.
WTF u talking about, do you know how many people share accounts, CCP doesnt give a fuck what happens in game unless you and your friends can actually accomplish something in game…Get to Big and CCP will remove your ability to compete….Whoops i didnt just say that did I..
Well someone better tell the alliances that hold a bunch of dread accounts this?
Dearest Internet Spaceship Pilots, We have finally relized that P.I. is infact afk farming. We will correct this mistake at the next update. We also relize the new mining ship updates with huge ore bays will allow miners to afk mine without use of a bot, we will also correct this mistake with the next update. Point im making is as long as its not botting, who gives a shit. CCP stupidity LvL 5.
Comparing PI to AFK ratting is the same as when you compare your penis to that of a horse.
perfect example of CCP gameplay contradictions lvl 5 stupidity indeed, hey its CCP what do you expect. lol
Working as intended. Carry on.
You forget that for PI to give ISKs you need to get your shit out of the CO and to the markets.
Now its time to nerf week old accounts making tens of billions orbiting structures in frigates in faction warfare.
Why is it that I'm always the last to find out about these get-rich-quick schemes and only when it gets nerfed do I read about it? Fuck!
I want my piece of the cake too!
Here you go: Train an 8 day old alt to be a Winmatar FW speedtank pilot & go do plexes… cash in ASAP b4 the faction market collapses
Any idea what room of what complex is this article about?
Make DED 1 and 2 complexes scanable like the rest of them. Problem solved.
Who cares, Guild Wars 2 in week & few days lotta my alliance is stoked, CCP should be worried. lotta subs going bye bye.
Give me a break. Every new MMO that comes out leads to people saying this. Give it 2 months by which time most people will have grinded to max level and it'll be back to our favorite terrible game called Eve.
It really is true. I remember when Conan was going to become the ultimate "EvE Killer". Trolololol
Funcom. Putting the FU in FUN.
an even less customer-friendly company than CCP? Hard to believe, but they accomplished it!
i played conan lols , what a shit game after 4 days
You did not want the game anyway, right?
no… just no.. I will be playing GW2 to themepark and world vs world PvP. with my mates and G'F.. Completely different game will not be replacing eve at all. Too safe and how the fuck can I use Sun Tzu and Musashi in that game? Huh? GW2 will be a nice relief from looking over my shoulder constantly, but I wouldn't give up that adrenaline rush for anything.. ever
dickhead.
Your name suits you as you are a derp with no fucking clue. Oh and please do not resub ever again we don't need you.
Oh noez, EVE is dying! Where have I heard this before.
So this shit is going on in EVE community too? OMG. What a let down.
Goodbye, and good riddance.
Guilds wars 2 out aug 28th, nice
Will you let us undock?
irony overload
So have they fixed the problem of people endlessly cloaking afk in systems to wreak economic warfare on carebears and make them all dock up? I don't imagine that's how they intended the game to be played either.
What the fuck you fucking fuckers. Fuck you CC fucking PEE.
Terrible CCP is terrible. I am all for banning bots, but if you are not botting, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Sitting AFK is not a crime. I run missions AFL in a domi all the time. Put out drones, turn on reps, and slow boat to the next gate. Go afk, come back whenever, warp gate, and do it again. Seriously. Gay CCP.
this will not affect you then..
ppl been doing this for years step one buy ishtar step 2 put drones on it and 2 mar step 3 go to any anom or plex get aggro works great in forlorn hubs cuz the npc stays aggrod on ur ship even new spawns launch drones turn on both mar it will be cap stable and watch porn i never thought it would be against the rules lol just how the ship works
i mean shit pve in this game is the most boreing shit ever we just need the isx to actually play the fun part of the game pvp
"24 hour Lazytown marathon"
Sreegs you watch LazyTown?
Perv.
So, let me get this straight. A guy goes into a High-sec complex, in, say, a Domi. Is smart about using his drones so they don't die, and goes afk for a few minutes. big deal. Those complexes don't respawn, so he'd have to go to the next one, aka initiate a warp and a jump and pull in drones. Either CCP trolled us hard or they're getting to be retarded.
Or your an idiot, and don't know what your talking about
indeed you are…
"Either CCP trolled us hard or they're getting to be retarded."
Or you can't read, you imbecile =P
Clues about where you went wrong can be found in your use of the phrases "a few minutes", "don't respawn" and "initiate". None of these are relevant to the scenario(s) banned.
Cosmos missions where the areas are open for all DO have endless spawns. There were an ishtar and a rattlesnake with funny russian names parked there when I was running them 6 months ago doing exactly this. Its a good thing its bannable now.
So, how will CCP compensate me for having to sit and look at their shit PVE gameplay for the Iskies I need?
The gameplay is totally shit.
Please biomass.
after you!
You mean skill yourself right?
I agree, CCP is just limitng our in game resources in order to force people in using PLEX as a mean of increasing your wallet, then once PLEX sustems fails they will increase usbscriptions until EvE ceases to exist, give or take 3-6 months
Seriously?
I assume this means they are going to fix moon mining to require more interactive.
lol:
It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in AFK MOON GOO farming. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular tech MOON in NULL, dropping a POS, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a month long Lazytown marathon. While this activity does not necessitate the use of a 3rd party program in order to carry it out you ARE generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping which is not being present playing the game. As such our automated systems will continue to detect and institute administrative actions for this activity. We do not find this to be acceptable gameplay.
Well…its not like you cant bump the ships away from the sentry drones and out of repping range.
is that not what happens with moons? sit back goto work get isk might aswell ban them aswell idiots
ARE YOU FOR REAL??? *lol*
Moons do not pay you ISKs. You need to get it out of the POSes and to the markets. You then do not get to keep a valuable moon by being afk! Players are fighting for years over the moons and paid for it in countless ship losses. The reason why these moons are so valuable is because the winners get to set the price! You have to be the worst player in EVE to think moon mining somehow makes you rich while being away from your keyboard.
you log in like once a month, so how can you say you don't benefit AFK. Now your alliance does defend, but your not an active player, just a puppet master.
Learn how moon mining works. If it was this easy then everyone would be doing it and moon goo would be worth nothing. Make sense?!
Now go and blow up something, preferably something which is not blue.
lol looks like everyone is doing it from the price drop I see for T2 mods the Goons are realizing a shit ton of Colbalt moon mining operations are popping up… lucky for the Goons alchemy does have a bottom out point for profitability magnitudes higher then just mining tech goo
Soon people will complain about how easy it is to mine afk in a Mackinaw. That a Mackinaw had cost 160m ISK a couple months back, 200m ISK two days ago and now sells at 300m ISK is what they fail to comprehend. The ship production has not changed, but people are making a killing from the run on the Mackinaw, its production and the production of its components, more than any miner can dream of making by mining afk. One simply does not get rich by mining afk, but by selling ships to those who dream of it.
For most parts in this game is it the doers who make the ISK and not the dreamers or haters.
Considering a lot less macks will die then hulks&macks did before the update I don't really see it being more profitable as a ship builder then before the update, sure right now the price is highers, but that is b/c of high demand. Sure the guys that already own procurer, and retriever BPO are making a killing right now, but the bottom will fall out of that market, anyone that has a basic understanding of supply, and demand can see that.
You only do not see it because you are blind to it. Players are making a killing with it, some with speculations others with productions, and once it stops does one switch to the next items that give a profit. You do not continue with what does not pay well. You may be a ship builder, but you are not an ISK maker. This I can see.
I wonder why ALL of the T2 ships have gone up in price? Oh thats right, because to make Tech 2 components you need Technetium. Who owns all of the Tech? You the Goons. It ain't rocket science to see that once tech was owned by one group/coalition that prices were going to go up.
And this wealth was entirely made by players. No botting or afk'ing. Good old fashion way of domination by elimination. It would not have been possible without countless players who actually pay these prices.
I have Pirate Pad logs the would beg to differ how GSF aquired all that ISK and Super Capitals…
Sure, you win this one, because you have black sheep in every alliance. The larger you are the more foul players you will find. Any alliance with some sort of moral, may this be honour or honesty or whatever, does not get very large. Not because it somehow keeps away the foul players, but because of all the bitching and snitching among all the moral sheriffs keeping away the fair players.
This always opens the door for bitching about how the big alliances make illegal ISKs.
If you have logs then send them to CCP Sreegs. If it is of any value will you get a PLEX (see the "PLEX for snitches" program).
The point of my little debate club here was that moon mining is a much more complicated activity requiring the most dedication by all than solo-afk-ratting in some complexe where ISKs rains straight from an ISK well into your wallet.
Do you have questions?
what are all the goon and CFC afk'ers gonna do now for isk
To be honest I would think there should be more AFK sources of income vs less. Now you have less people ratting and grinding and more people blowing each other up. God knows I rather be pvping then ratting
But you forgetting that the AFK income is eliminated the more isk those lazy people need to generate in other fashions and the RMT'ing option not being available or know to some of those people will then increase CCP's revenue stream which is the reason for this anyway very soon I would also expect a subscription hike aswell.
There needs to be a balance. Take your idea to an extreme, where players can just type numbers into their wallet. This would just result in mass inflation. There would be tons of fights, but they'd all be pointless. People would get bored and leave. That's what happens when you don't have to work for a reward, as trivial as it may be.
A mixture of afk income with income you have to work for will merely result in an income "floor" and will, again, be reflected in price inflation, as more and more people do their afk income activity when they are not playing, and those who do not take advantage of this afk income (or cannot) will get screwed. In the end, afk isk faucets are just plain bad for the game.
"you ARE generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping which is not being present playing the game."
AFK cloaker waiting for juicy ship?
Logic fail, AFK cloaker can't be actually afk or they wouldn't know when to decloak and cyno in the rape train.
I get the cloaker that is actually hunting, but what about the AFK cloaker that has no other purpose than to disrupt the movements and isk-earning of everyone else in the system?
if hes not there, whats the problem. Carry on living.
And it only took how many years? I think I saw that crap four years ago and it wasn't new even then.
Oh well, better late than never.
Agree first time i got in to a Exploration site dunno remember its name but a 3 room one i killed my way through 2 rooms (with keys) only to find the last room cleaned out by a afk drone botter …
it was such a turn off.
So what's the difference between this and afk mining?
This is all game mechanics, and in no way seems like an exploit or anything of the like. They don't like it, fix it, don't friggin ban/hurt players for it.
Afk mining does not conjure up isk out of thin air into your wallet. Miners (and PI'ers and moon miners) have to sell their products to other players. No new isk enters the game.
EVE PvE is boring? After several months, sure it is. Once you can afk through a mission room, it must be pretty boring to individually lock targets and fire your guns. But that's still no excuse to bot or afk. There are plenty of ways to generate income that do not involve shooting rats or rocks.
Because you can't afk mine 23/7. The scenario(s) banned did.
The solution though is not to blame the pilot but to fix the PvE situation that allowed him to AFK.
CCP Unifex better wise up and hire a few more content designers & have his underlings devote more resources to PvE else numbers will further stagnate as such situations pop up more often.
logout timers, and hardware activity monitors (that can distinquish between software and hardware strokes) would stop most bots and long term AFKers. Done
Getting your application signatures added to whitelists of all the major antivirus vendors so that your kernel hooks to monitor hardware activity don't cause a deluge a false positives. Keeping their signatures up-to-date every time you release a patch or update for the client. Ensuring that your kernel hooks aren't able to be piggybacked by malware, allowing a simple ring0 vector. And finally, somehow avoiding counterprogramming from bot authors who use rootkit techniques themselves… It's not as simple as you stated in your comment.
CCP is even worse than I thought. Not only idiotic patch releases and the world-wide worst customer support ever possible it's also the dumbest decision to ban players who try to follow CCP imposed pve gameplay, which is extremely dull and tedious. Good job, dont forget to ban all those docked in station.
please indicate which MMO does not have tedious grindy bit to earn income.
Please indicate which MMO has tedious grind and ban its players for it? Like wtf seriously? for the note: i dont pve at all
Pretty retarded response, there. I guess you were an AFK plexer. Go join the botters and share your tears over the evil CCP with them.
snarf another retarded response. moar dummies pls
All goes as usual – CCP develops some bugged shit, people start using it, and CCP blaims users for using the shit developed by CCP.
Everyone who takes a Domi fitted for afk ratting into a complexe to farm the last room for hours knows exactly that this is a lazy way to make ISKs.
All ISKs, which goes directly into your wallet and does not first come from another player, requires some form of game play. If you work your way around it then you have to expect to get slapped.
Mining moons or asteroids, doing PI, running research agents, scamming with contracts or plain stealing of corp assets may all seem like an easy way of making ISKs, but the ISKs come from selling the stuff to another player and therefore are these methods fully in control of the players and need little to no control by CCP.
There's being afk, and then there's being afk for 10-24 hours making ISK…
carebare tears, best tears
This confirms CCP wants people to not have fun making money. The argument that botting is the answer to make any money in this game becomes stronger. Its fucking ridiculous that this games money making continues to get nerfed in more ways than none and CCP wonders continually why people continue to bot…
WAKE UP SCREEGS
Wow, I don't really do missions anymore, but this is total horse shit. There shouldn't be anything wrong with walking away after setting drones lose in a mission. When I use to mission is was in a navy domi, and my game play was essentially let the ogre's do the work, read a book, goto next room, release ogre's, eat dinner, so on and so forth. How is this being compared to botting at all?
You made the fucking game CCp, get over it…. jesus you'd think they'd want more people logged on…
I agree totally, its like putting normal players aside of botters, as is this would be anything illegal. What do they expect? With these lameass Complex its obvious u want to do something else and in this case, then they should ban permatank ships also, cause they do principally the same thing.
Whats the matter letting your ship in a complex so you can go take a dump or do somethin else? And the argumentation, somebody would left for work is absolutely stupid, as if someone would then leave.
The amount of isks would be… astonishing…
BAD PLAY CCP, fuck up the game some more
This isn't about missions. This post was specifically about complexes. In complexes, more red crosses spawn infinitely. In missions, there are set limits. If you release drones and go afk in a mission, you will earn a certain, finite amount of isk. If you do the same in a complex, you will earn an infinite amount of isk.
I personally agree that dropping drones and letting them do the work should be a viable way of doing missions (just as it should be a viable way of doing mining) – because a human being still has to be there to push buttons every so often to change rooms, recall drones, loot wrecks and get the next mission (or haul ore to station, refine, go back to belt, etc, if you're mining). With complexes, no human is required – the client itself acts like an automated bot, earning infinite isk without any human intervention.
TLDR: The blog post wasn't about missions; I support CCP in this, for sure.
well that shows how much I know. I didn't even even know such a place of infinite spawning existed except for standard belt rats. Hearing that does make me hate the people doing it… but it still kinda seems wrong for CCp to say game mechanics they made (and don't appear to be changing) are wrong to use. It's not an exploit, but they are saying don't do it … just confusing
They really should design the complexes in a way that rewards the player for actively doing the complex, instead of punishing those that don't. Perhaps have a random spawn appear that's significantly more valuable than it's counter parts but only lasts a small amount of time, that way players HAVE to put all guns/drones on it otherwise it'll escape before it pops.
Or maybe like an in-complex escalation where an acceleration gate has a chance to randomly appear during the complex that leads to a boss/loot/good bounties I'm talking x10 the regular bounties for that level of complex but it only lasts for 1 minute and you have to take it before the next mob wave.
In my opinion, CCP can't simply remove a "profession" without giving some kind of compensation, think about skills, if they remove or change a skill then players actually get given SP to spend on whatever they want, that's a good tactic, one I think should be passed on to income nerfs.
what shall happen now ? just go to otomainen and report the AFK sentry hunters and look what will happen ?
i can tell you what happens, you can report them day by day and you will continue all the shit for years and nothing will happen. the sentry bots are well know there.
For all the people running around like headless chicken declaring this to be the end of afk mining/ratting/other-carebearing-stuffs, please read the news item and the forum thread c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y…
It'll save you a few aneurisms when you realize that you are allowed to eat/choke/walk the chicken for fairly extended periods of time w/o the banhammer coming down on you.
In fact, you'd have to be afk for 23/7 and pull down isk continuously before anything happened to you..
On a different note, it's kinda sad when real people get caught by bot-seeking filters. For them folks, pls get a life..
Like this ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajgL_1p5bVk&hd…
I would fuck the shit out of stephanie
Ermahgerd the childishness…
I can't belive so many are angry about this. You want money? Make it by actually playing the game, or rip someone off.
Don't like EVE… make your own damn game?
bot tears best tears