Wilhelm Arcturus, he’s played internet spaceship related games since the early days of MegaWars III, and expects to get the hang of things any day now. He reports on EVE from an individual capsuleer’s point of view at TAGN.

TAGN: DSS-EZ – Facing Stiffer Resistance in Stain

I am a sucker for Jabber fleet formation messages that promise an imminent fight. In fact, much of my time in null sec space has been Jabber driven. I don’t spend much time just hanging around or sitting on gate camps, but a fleet call goes up on Jabber and I am at my desk and I am there. I am sort of the null sec minute man, in a half-assed sort of way.

Anyway, as these posts tend to go, there was an alert on Jabber calling for a fleet with a fight imminent, your typical “go! go! go!” situation.

While the form up point was in F2OY-X, the starting point for most operations so far in the Delve War (or whatever we call it now that the actual fighting in Delve has tapered off), our first jump was to a system I suspect will become more and more important over time, 49-U6U.

49-U6U was a system that was at least contested by the SoCo, though it rolled over to Goonswarm back on the 10th. It is an important system at the moment by virtue of having a station and being in Querious on the border with Catch. That makes it a natural staging point.

However, we were not going to Catch. At least not for long. We caught another titan jump bridge deep into catch, then burned along, gate to gate, into Stain, an NPC controlled section of null sec, where Gentleman’s Agreement has been putting up towers in an attempt to… I don’t know, really.

As usual, I am ignorant of the strategic objectives. It could be to establish a foothold on another route into Catch to facilitate on upcoming invasion of the region. Or it could be just a way to draw SoCo out into a fight.

If it is just the latter, it has been quite effective. SoCo no doubt does not want another CFC/HBC foothold on the border of Catch, so they come out to play. And so that was where we headed as well.

This is actually another new section of space for me.

Southwest Systems Map

On the map above, you can see Delve and Querious, marked with little yellow dots. Those represent systems I have visited in the last two weeks, the dots growing and changing color as my activity in the area goes on. You can compare that with high security space at the top of the picture. Those systems I have visited many more times during my years in the game. And Delve and Catch have no dots, because I had not been there.

We rolled into Stain only to catch another titan bridge that put us deeper into the region as a blocking force. We then began moving back towards the system in contention, DSS-EZ, acting as something of a blocking force. We were following a SoCo fleet, trying to catch it before it got to DSS-EZ I would imagine. We did catch one Rokh on a gate in X1E-OQ, but that was our only real contact with the enemy fleet until we arrived back in DSS-EZ.

Once back there, we were confronted with the SoCo fleet, which was heavy on Rokhs and had two Thanatos carriers in support, pretty much right there on the gate. It was then time to jockey for position. DBRB burned us away from the hostiles, as we came through within range of some of their long range units but outside of our own missile envelope.

Drake fleet turning to increase the range

DBRB pulled us far enough away that we could do a short warp into their midst, and then the fight was on.

The way most battles look at a distance

We seemed to be doing very well initially. We were able to knock down a couple of their recon ships, some of their Rohks, and best of all, first one then two of the carriers went down. Those are nice, high value targets.

Thanatos on the field

Our own losses seemed to be quite minimal for a stretch, but then SoCo got its act together and began popping Drakes.

You can often tell when a fight is not going your way just by the change in tone on voice coms. The logistics pilots began to growl on coms about the Drake pilots not calling for reps soon enough, the logi pilot theory being that the smart bombs that were hitting us could only be killing Drakes if the Drake pilots were absolute morons.

However, what was really happening was that the Rokhs were coordinating their attacks and killing off Drakes in a single volley. Shortly after the carriers went down, I got primaried and blown up, with almost no transition time between first hit and me sitting in a pod. There was no watching shields break and armor get stripped away. I happened to be looking at the control to check my ammo when it happened, and it was more a matter of “hey, where did my modules go?”

Life in the danger zone.

Once in a pod I was left alone, but I could see people in fleet chat typing in “-1 Drake” as they got popped. I moved out of the bubble and set my destination for our starting point, F2OY-X, which was 27 jumps away through hostile territory. My options, however, were limited. I could hang around at a safe spot and wait for the fleet to withdraw or I could try to get somewhere I could get another ship and be ready to come back if there were to be reinforcements.

I started off towards home. I didn’t think I would make it. 27 jumps through null sec pretty much guarantees you will run into a gate camp at some point. And, sure enough, I went through a gate and ended up in a bubble in X4-WL0. I broke cloak, said hello, and asked to be sent home please. I think that gave them a moment of pause, as they locked me up pretty quick, but then took a minute to actually kill me. I was still in their bubble when they did, though I had been moving out on the off chance they might think flying back in a pod was worse punishment than buying a new clone. They opted for the kill.

And so I was back in Delve where I found no Drakes available for sale on contract. Well, none in the vicinity and certainly none that were fit to Drake fleet doctrine specs. But the fleet was pulling back in any case. There was to be no reinforcement fleet.

The kill board results for the ongoing battle in DSS-EZ, which actually isn’t that screwed up this time around (only a few people showing up on both sides of the fight, shows a fairly even fight. We were slightly outnumbered overall, though it is hard to tell who was there at what time. SoCo won on total kills and on the ISK front, losing 16 billion to our 21 billion. And they knocked out the towers that Gents were setting up.

So a tactical victory for SoCo.

But on the scale of the ongoing war, the CFC/HBC wins in the long run with these sorts of exchanges. The resources available to be committed will allow us to grind down SoCo over time. SoCo needs to win big in these sorts of battles to push back the barbarians at their gate.

- Wilhelm Arcturus

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  • Gentlegoon

    Gents Deployed to Stain/Catch to try and distract AAA from the front. Camp Jump Bridges. Deny Ratting. Harass Movement. Generally just be sand in AAA's vagina. Been a pretty effective deployment for us so far.

    The truth fucking hurts, but these guys are bullies. They thought they could pick on Test. Now they think they can pick on Gents.

    Thanks to all of our CFC bros that have come to help out with these fights.

    • Reality sucks

      Your logic is flawed. You state that you came down to harass aaa space while they were focused somewhere else. You were essentially bullying them in their space. Once the attention is turned to your alliance's actions and force is applied, you call them out for defending their space. And your only response is to bring in more people and essentially become the bigger bully. Rather an unfortunate thought process.

      • Gentlegoon

        Nope. I expected them to be half decent at Eve. They did not measure up.

        • Reality really sucks

          That's a terrible argument and one that I can only assume you can fall back to as a face saver. You assume they are half decent at pvp, so you decide to deploy when none of them atheandir and to pick on care bears. When they show up and repulse your attempts, you call them bad players. Wouldn't that make you worse?

          • Gentlegoon

            Nope. It's Op Success.

        • The14th

          Either you're trollling or an idiot, and since you're a goon it's a 50/50 toss-up.

    • -A- Bully Boy

      Lol… "pick on Gents"! You guys deployed down South. What do you expect from -A-? Cookies and milk? Poor, old, picked on CFC. My heart bleeds.

      • AAA

        Let them cry. We really are bullies!

    • -A- on duty

      I feel so distracted.

    • haha

      Big bad AAA. Poor little CFC!

    • Bad goon propaganda

      Additionally, -A- deployed to Delve because TEST and PL were SBU'ing it and has been fighting a defensive war ever since. Almost all of the propaganda in this war has been produced by the Northern Bluefest. Attacking someone and calling them names seems to be, you know, a little bullying, no?

    • erer

      Bullies? And goons are the lovely people for holding hulkageddon and their monopoly on Tech. You're an idiot.

    • eryerty

      no one has even noticed the Gents deployment, and thanks for outnumbering us 2-1 and still letting us beat you, thanks to all the CFC bros that came to pad my killboard.
      https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=75

      andddd
      https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=76

  • SoCo Fact Checker

    Check that KB again…. Its bugged to hell. BR Doc: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9433... Was Rape By Soco.

    • The Observer

      BAHAHAHAHAHA

      12 kills to 203 kills. GG goonpets, GG

  • Baddies being bad

    For how many dudes in that space it looks boring as fuck fight wise….

    • iSharted

      coming from a fag who clearly fights rifters and incursus on dodixie undock all day…….

  • ddsddsd

    "The kill board results for the ongoing battle in DSS-EZ, which actually isn’t that screwed up this time around (only a few people showing up on both sides of the fight, shows a fairly even fight. We were slightly outnumbered overall, though it is hard to tell who was there at what time."

    Actually, looking at the forces on field, and thus scrolling down to bottom, when the -a- forces were still showing Rooks (then drakes + scimitars), the cfc/hb forces were now reaching rifters (and ibises [lol wtf]) It was not a comparable. Not to mention that rooks vs drakes is not something l33t pvp'ers should brag about.

    All of the above statements are actually an pre-emtive strike against the -a- grunts who are already chest-beating themselves that they beat the 'blob' while in even numbers.

    • fact checker

      And what makes you think -A- formed up with their full coalition force also? This sounds like pre-emptive CFC chest-beating: "Oh we had 2-3:1… but wait till we get our 1000!"
      http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9391

      And it's not Rooks, it's Rokhs. This fight was round 2, because right after this: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9433 , a second CFC drake fleet with even higher came to contest the tower coming out of DSS-.

      • DyslexicOrPlainDumb?

        "And it's not Rooks, it's Rokhs."

        Priceless lol. What a fucking bad.

  • nice battlereport…

    "The kill board results for the ongoing battle in DSS-EZ, which actually isn’t that screwed up this time around (only a few people showing up on both sides of the fight, shows a fairly even fight. We were slightly outnumbered overall, though it is hard to tell who was there at what time. SoCo won on total kills and on the ISK front, losing 16 billion to our 21 billion. And they knocked out the towers that Gents were setting up."

    Lol. Good try. did you even bother scrolling trough the list of kills. Yea the sides are pretty ok but smartbombs? messes up cfc losses on both sides evening it a lot.

    This is "bit" more accurate https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=76

    or doctor if you think -A- don't post losses http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9391

    Also you welped one fleet before that http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9390

    And some tengus in same system EU tz before these two fights. Surprisingly (not) fighting is harder when you don't have couple backup fleets ready to bridge in to save the day.

    As for tactical victory those POSes mean absolutely nothing. It's not like its hard to anchor new one to replace it. -A- is there just for fights.

    • eryerty

      just face it, you out numbered us 2-1/3-1 and we face raped you, first in TG then immediately after in DSS even after your brought in reinforcements, you got your faces stomped accept it.

  • -A- on duty

    lol fit http://tnt.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id
    learn to fit a Drake ffs, flying Drakes is a religion in South

    • Hench

      That's a perfectly reasonable permamwd drake.

      • -A- on duty

        permaMWD drake? No wonder that you die like flies.

    • Sreggin Wej

      What is wrong with that drake exactly? It's the exact fit that has been fucking up your loki fleets and your t3 fleets in delve. Surely it doesnt works as well against capitals and rokhs, but it's far from a bad fit,

      • Gringo

        You could T1 fit the drake and still kill the lokis. Fits don't really matter when you outnumber your oppenet 3:1.

  • BR-DOC

    Round 1 TG-: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9434

    Round 2 DSS- (CFC brought larger reinforcement drake fleet soon afterwards): http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9433

    No dreads were involved in any of the subcap kills (they were there to kill towers before and afterwards). Only caps used in the actual fight were suicide triage carriers, three in round 2.

    "We were slightly outnumbered overall, though it is hard to tell who was there at what time."

    Just… no.

  • Lobo

    Just hope these Gents are actually getting paid for harassing AAA as losing POS's over and over has got to be expensive.

    • Unbiased

      They are losing a lot of ships too. They are giving -A- more entertainment than harassment at this point to be honest

    • Kratisto

      Technetium moons heal all wounds.

    • Soon Goon… Soon

      Had to leave EvE for a while just as the war was kicking off, was a bit worried at first as the battles got off to a shaky start, but now it seems all is well again as -a-&Co seem to be in complete control again. I am pleased.

      COME ON BRAVE RUSSIAN WARRIORS, KICK THEIR FUCKING BALLS IN!! YOU CAN DO EEET!!

  • Gentlegoon

    CFC is moving staging to 49-?

    Look Squirrel!

  • Gudfites

    One of the biggest fights that happened with Rokh fleet vs Rokh/Maelstrom and Tengu fleet: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9436

    The fight vs Tengu fleet the day before the above: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9437

    For some reason though, CFCNews24 doesn't report thing like this, and Kugu gets really quiet about it.

    • It'sYoAssMrPostman

      Just goes to show that these cock hungry goon shitpoasters are nought but blow hard no skill F1 monkey forum warriors armed with not much more than weak insults and hate crime. Bunch of cum guzzling faggots if you ask me. This war is looking like its definitely swinging in -a-'s favour and I call on the Russians to do their duty! Do what is right! Do what every hard working capsuleer in New Eden wants and needs you to do, and nuke the troll infested CFC blue parade back to whatever nerd rage virgin club forum they came from.

      • DotBrotherhood

        Calm down bro, it's only an internet spaceship game.

    • FA pretty princess

      To be fair, you did have a spy on our comms relaying targetcalling, so some targets were receiving reps before we even put damage on them. Well played.

      However, after Vee took over target calling in the Tengufleet and had us sync our shots better, we started one-volleying your ships. Your fleet then subsequently docked up after losing the majority of its Huginns as it could have turned into a slaughter since you lacked ships to web our Tengus down and our firing discipline rendered your logistics useless. Good call by Makalu there to not welp needlessly, I suppose.

      And congratulations on welping a 100-man roaming fleet with only 5 logi in it. Safe to say, mistakes were made.

  • kugu :derp:

    What's the point… don't you all know that CFC always wins, even when they lose?

  • NullSecNoob

    Good fight everyone. And THANK YOU for podding me, saved me 27 jumps.

  • Plörre

    triple a sucks, they only engange when they have superiour numbers and shiptypes, otherwise they just dock up

    • OMGFrigates Warpout

      Please learn to original :(

    • old gimmick is old

      Lol, go post on kugu about it

      You guys had more than 2:1, and then 3:1 in the following fight and still died in droves. And come up with another gimmick, the not undocking thing got old a long time ago. All of EVE knows CFC doesn't undock unless they have 3:1, and looking at these reports they can't win those anyway. Maybe you need PL to hold your hands?

    • jita

      you cfc cry babies real don't stop whining.

    • Ash_Haakari

      LMAO only engage when they have superior numbers u obviously havent been involved in this war have u ???

      you see every fight we have is like this. SoCo kicks ur ass in the first engagement then u go and hide in station for a while BAT PHONING and get another 300ppl + thats when it goes to shit for us and we leave and somehow with a better kb than CFC EVEN WITH U SHOOTING BLUES.

      GTFO CFC

  • WOT_owns_EVE

    I like these

  • hello

    the article was well written and even a bit unbiased from a cfc members perspective. I could see that there was a slight numbers advantage for cfc but this fight actually coincided with a fight in tg- where -A- outnumbered cfc. However u add the fact that CFC had perma mwd drakes against bs's im surprised that the isk values were that close. Even if CFC had 3-1 odds in this scenario, with carrier support(triage) and the BS's those MWD drakes were huge and easy targets to alpha. This should have been like shooting fish in a barrel for -A-. This is another failure in my mind for -A- I find myself amazed that -A- didnt kill more and lose less.

  • SoCo

    WOW so SoCo is 50ppl only? all i saw was 88 -a- + 27 engarde + some struglers vs 313 cfc, :D :D :D u guys must hate those who made BR Doc :D wich is showing "thru" numbers.

    btw riveriny can u rename this arcticle like : 313 cfc brave warriors got blobed by 138 -a- dudes, cfc won with most ship loses

  • Makalu_Zarya

    To the cfc butthurt scrubs:

    I'm sorry that you couldn't break our reps with 150 drakes and managed to kill a couple bs who didn't broadcast in time. They will be taught how to do it properly so next time you don't kill anything at all…I apologize for losing them.

    Next time however I"ll make sure to put a limit of 4 guns per battleship and armor tank my rokhs so that we are on a level playing field…oh and please bring 65 scimitars and we'll bring none, cause your 65 compared to our 30 is clearly not fair…I mean 2:1 advantage…shouldn't be expecting you to compete here.

    On a more serious note, trolling aside…you show up in catch/stain with a 200 man fleet and then whine that we formed whatever we wanted in whatever numbers we wanted and then raped you in the face..twice…what exactly were we supposed to do? Sit in station and spin our ships?
    I understand propaganda and all, but this is getting to borderline idiocy. We won't play in our region by your rules, sorry.
    I also don't see any chestbeating on our side…you came you got raped, simple fact, not chestbeating, deal with it or go back to your carebear lands.

    -Maka

    • PL pwnulongtyme

      Maka and AAA are running out of ISK for Ship replacement. Keep grinding this whiny faggot drama cunt down.

      • Makalu_Zarya

        That's a pretty lame comeback…keep trying

      • AAA

        PL …twenty in fleet. CFC pets.

      • Micky Mouse

        Running out of isk? Don't think so.
        Ship replacement was actually extended into new ships.

        What a drama queen pube boy.

      • -A- scrub

        well when there running out of isk its a good idea to include more ships and up the isk on others……….oh wait no your just a fail troll

        on a side note maka wtf you doing leaving your r1sk kill blues and you raging at -A- members for killing him when he shot first nice blue falcon btw….you should not be in a leadership posistion because you have 0 people skills

        • Makalu_Zarya

          you poor poor cfc scrub…try harder next time…or go play hello kitty online

          • -A- scrub

            wait nulli didnt pull back to ge- but there like brosefs wonder why they did that. ………….. oh wait they were treated like pets lol nice job -A- rage diplomacy

          • Observer

            Some people can't cut it in 0.0. SOLAR lost space but were resilient. Nulli were not. End of story. When a group admits they really didn't want Delve much anyhow, you know you were wasting your time. Catch is a different story. Even if the blobs arrive and sov falls, we will never leave. You will live down here full time losing fleet after fleet till your grunts stopping logging in.

          • -A- scrub

            is this pk ?

          • Wowness

            I never heard of Makalu until he started talking and getting talked about right here in EVENEWS24 lately, but dude you really come off poorly, if this is the top -A- then well damn. angry, emo, screamer, all about your greatness, such hate, etc. why would anyone follow you?

      • -A- on duty

        I'm confirming Maka is running out of ISK.
        Today he was spotted on -A- chat asking what drones are best vs, Sansha.

    • SupNerd

      As someone who hates the CFC, and am happy to read these reports of your victories…

      You are the most enormous faggot of all time. You lose T3 after T3 in Delve for no other reason than your own idiocy and you drive off all of your allies because of AAA's tactical and diplomatic incompetence. You seriously had a chance to legitimately take on the CFC…and you fucked it up. Hard.

      You're talking hot shit now. I hope you find something else to spin your grunts on when the CFC shows up in 800 battleships, tengus, and blapdreads instead of just drakes. I have a feeling you're just going to fuck it up and wimper down into stain like usual. Don't get me wrong; I'm still rooting for the south in this one. But it's more like, "Man I love my team and I hope they win this match….but goddamn this coach has no idea what the fuck he is doing."

      • uh oh not again

        Lol I really doubt you are anti-CFC. T3s were lost fighting CFC, which you guys really wanted (fight), yet somehow troll when they die to a blob. Whatever info you guys get about tactics and diplomacy, you get from kugu and edited comms recordings.

        There was no legitimate chance to take on CFC in Delve, specifically the SOV aspect. Who exactly has the super fleet to counter both PL + CFC right now that was in SoCo?

        Let CFC show up in 800-1000. That seems to the best response they are coming up with after these fights. "Oh we couldn't beat you with 300, well just you wait, we will be back with 1000! What will you do then? We are so much better than you, just you wait."

    • Godzillargh

      lmao Makalu got his anus ploughed by Suas & Shadoo five times now, getting bitter no?

      .

  • -A- FC

    You don't grind -A- down.

    -A- will grind you forever we love this shit.

    Even if we had come out behind on iskwar crap (like we care) we would still be grinning ear to ear.

    We play to kill shit and you sir are 'the shit'

    • lol

      GREEN KILLBOARDS

  • fact check
  • lol?

    "But on the scale of the ongoing war, the CFC/HBC wins in the long run with these sorts of exchanges."

    In this sort of exchange you got pink socked.

    You failed in the objective and lost the fleet so badly that it prompted a massive spike of the football featured in the proceeding article.

    If you want to argue that you can win by attrition, ok, that's a fairly obvious point. But that's not what you said.

    Please explain how this wins you anything in the long run you fat slob.

  • Gringa

    That killboard link is complete shit. SoCo fought out numbered almost 3:1 and still ass fucked CFC
    http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?br=http%3A%2F%2Feve-kil

  • Alexzandvar

    Oh dear, how will I ever make money when all Gentlemen's agreement does is camp 3 systems with AFK cloak fags who never move. Oh wait, I move just 1 system over and I'm fine. Nice job Gentlemen, really putting a dent in my wallet sitting in one place and never moving making it easy as shit to still make money.

  • TEST

    and now -A- is back to losing err i mine docking…. .http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=9462

    • eryerty

      your link doesn't work…..

  • derp

    ?? outnumbered my ass, you learn to numbers fag