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Poetic Discourse: Faction Warfare – Nulli Secunda
Nulli Secunda is now sov-less. Their glorious return to nullsec is already in the planning stages and it includes a reshipping stint in Amarr/Minmatar faction warfare lowsec, on the Amarr side.
The plan? Use faction warfare as a reshipping depot, boost the Amarr faction to T5 warzone control, then cash in on thousands of inexpensive Armageddon Navy Issue battleships. Use those ships to create a new fleet doctrine, return to sovereignty nullsec as conquering heroes.
They plan to base out of Otosela, two jumps from a backdoor into deep Minmatar space, Todifrauan. A drop the soap strategy, which they hope the Minmatar will bend down to pick up. Which is not a bad move, given they do it soon. None of the major Minmatar militia base that deep inside their own space. Unless the Minmatar start mobilizing now, basing secondary reshipping stations in the area, Nulli is likely to flip an entire swath of systems to Amarr control fairly quickly.
The Minmatar could have a two front war on its hands. Nulli pushing from the west, the rest of the Amarr alliances pushing from the east. (Compass directions based on the Minmatar/Amarr faction warfare map.) The question everyone is asking, will the Amarr militias assist Nulli?
That Nulli plans on basing nowhere near the rest of the Amarr militia in Kamela, means they’ve little interest in working directly with the rest of the Amarr. They feel they can go it alone. If they get help from the eastern side of the map, then great, if not, they can bring the Minmatar to their knees themselves. Or so their thinking goes.
If Nulli simply wants to treat the Minmatar/Amarr battle as their personal ATM machine, how interested will be the rest of the Amarr in furthering their goal, only to watch them screw off once that goal is achieved?
There’s likely already going to be bad blood between Nulli and Fweddit. Fweddit are largely made up of Redditors. Test Alliance largely comes from the Reddit community. There are a substantial number of Test Alliance members who have alts in Fweddit. Test Alliance and Friends are the reason Nulli has to now slum it in lowsec. Whereas Nulli seems to have the backing of many of the Amarr corporations and alliances, their relationship with Fweddit remains up-in-the-air and interesting.
I suspect Fweddit will fall in line. Nulli will be on the other side of the faction warfare zone, so working directly with each other won’t be an issue. The promise of T5 warzone control, and all the wealth that comes with it, should be enough to convince even the harshest Nulli critic to put the trash talking aside, if only to show the Minmatar how lousy T1 warzone control is. Let the Minmatar experience squalour for a little while.
How easy will this be for Nulli Secunda? They seem to feel they can accomplish this part-time in about a month. During their July 15 meeting, where they announced their faction warfare intentions to their members, they stated that faction warfare will be a part-time activity.
The other reason for basing out of Otosela is that it’s also two jumps from Geminate. Nulli does not intend to recuse themselves from nullsec while they bide their time trying to get back. They plan to immediately start dipping their toes into some Solar Fleet/NC-dot wars in the Geminate to Kavela Expanse regions. All the while occasionally flipping Minmatar systems in their attempt to gain T5 control. They obviously don’t fully understand plexing quite yet. I get the impression they think they can flip systems, go away to do null fights, then come back to find their systems still flipped, under their control. As quickly as they can flip systems, they can be flipped right back to Minmatar control while they’re off fleet op’ing in Geminate. Maintaining system control is something that requires more than just occasional attention and focus, if not, that control is lost.
A lack of plex understanding, and the focus and attention that driving to T5 control will deserve, especially against an enemy that has no history of rolling over and playing dead, might cause Nulli to rethink their factional warfare ambitions. They might desert the activity shortly after realizing that it will take up more of their attention than they anticipated.
Now, if Nulli were to put their full attention on faction warfare, there’s slim doubt that they couldn’t push the Amarr to T5 control, especially with a strong east and west push, sandwiching the Minmatar between two large and aggressive forces. What are the Minmatar options, if this is the case?
Given Nulli on one side, the rest of the Amarr on the other, the Minmatar’s best bet to regaining what they lost as quickly as possible, once Nulli leaves, is to defend as hard as possible in the east, and to then put up a weaker (though not nonexistent) defense in the west. Once Nulli leaves, the western systems will be easily reconquerable, and if the eastern line was held strongly, the Minmatar position remains relatively unchanged from the current, pre-Nulli situation.
Interesting times, at any rate, especially if Nulli does decide to stick around to give faction warfare more than peripheral amounts of focus.
Fweddit also has PL, Goons, -A-, Razor, SOLAR, RvB, Gypsy, and some dude from RnK in it, and a bunch of other random no name alliance alts in it as well.
Out of the wars in the 'west', Nulli was probably the only person there that fought- and by that alone was probably a TEST favorite. Shooting at someone one day, being their friend the next is one of the best aspects of this game.
Yeah, I agree. Poetic doesn't seem to understand the relationship between Fweddit and TEST. Fweddit was largely formed by people who didn't like what TEST does or their "culture" in game (which is not very "reddit like".) TEST alts jumped in because it's fun; not because they wanted influence in the new corp or connect it to TEST in any way.
Also, as you say, TEST has at least some degree of respect for Nulli, and at worst feels bad for them. They were one of the few alliances who actually FOUGHT in Delve, before and after the escalation. -A- came in and ruined any chance of a real defense. I have no idea if the feeling is mutual, but there is no ill-will towards Nulli from TEST, much less Fweddit.
No, there's no hatred towards TEST from Nulli members for the most part. We're a PvP-centric alliance so occasionally losing is part of the deal. Before the massive blob-fest we had some cool fights in Delve and Fountain with you guys when either we'd form a fleet and come and wait outside your station or you'd do likewise to us and then we'd just undock into each other for a fight.
Different philosophies, same underlying desire for fun.
You seem to have forgotten that in order to buy the "inexpensive" ships Nulli will need Amarr FW LP – which means grinding missions. Most nullsec alliances aren't filled with players with alot of SP in social skills – or used to grinding missions, especially missions that involve low-sec and risk.
Secondly, yes there are some Fweddittors who are TEST alts, but no where near the majority. We are in Fweddit because we enjoy FW and we came from Reddit – nullsec and TEST doesn't interest most of us, and we don't share TEST's baggage, including their relationship with nulli.
with missions you just have to dock before warping to a new plex. big deal.
The majority of Nullsec players missioned for a good while in highsec before joining the ranks of their respective alliances.
No, the hard part wont be the skill or experience, it will be finding the willpower to do something so boring.
you get lp from doing FW plexes and fighting the enemy? why do you need missions?
Missions are better at grinding LPs than plexes, and LP from PvP in actual life is negligible. We are talking about sub-1000 LP for most fights once the LP from the ship you have just killed is split between everyone in your fleet.
Plexes work out to around 10k every 10-15minutes, uninterrupted. And again, it will be split between everyone near the central "node".
No, if Nulli really means to grind LP to afford a faction BS doctrine, doing Lv4 FW missions would be the way to do it.
As much as I hate to admit it, I did a few missions (to grind standings for Jump Clones, fuck empire mechanics) but you can pick up 8-9 Level 4's, run them all in about 30 minutes, and cash in for about 170k LP and a paltry 36m ISK (at Tier 1, I honestly have no idea if warzone control has any impact on mission LP gains). This run also equates to about 1.3 full points of standing with IC24 (each rank gives a ridiculous boost to Amarr Empire as well).
I don't think pushing the Amarr side of things to T5 is going to be the short sprint that Nulli thinks its going to be though.
you know so little lol, most of nulli corps are already in positive amarr standings lol
You know even less. Most of the larger ones aren't there yet.
OOPS.
Im curious to see this Navy Apoc fleet concept.
Why? The article stated they are planning on getting Navy 'Geddons not NAPOCs.
Navy apocs are pretty boss too though
Yes! Navy Apocs are very pimped with the right T-2 fit and good pilots / FC behind them. I remember the days before CVA was outster from Providance they use to fly them alot and would wipe the floor with us using them. And if my memory serves me correctly Nulli did serve a bit with CVA after the big fiasco of DG and help them take back limited parts of Provi before NCDot faggots came with there blobs. So I guess you can teach a monkey to add one plus one to use an old fit many have forgot about.
The navy geddon fleet concept isnt new for nulli. they used them with much success in the war vs drf last year. Couldn't afford to field them for long though so this FW idea makes alot of sense.
The problem was less cost and more supply. The idea behind the Navygeddon is that it combines the rate of fire of the Panicgeddon with the massive tank of the Hellcat, plus it has a 4th mid for an extra tracking computer, meaning it also matches the Hellcat's range. Having one Navygeddon was actually cheaper than a Panicgeddon and a Hellcat. The problem was that a few hundred S2N pilots snapping up Navygeddons basically murdered the entire supply, and the rate of influx was not enough to keep up with losses.
By giving Amarr FW a nudge, this should improve the Navygeddon supply situation, especially if S2N can stockpile a bunch of its own during its month-long sabbatical in FW.
Why in gods name would they use apoc's, geddens is what they'll use, and it's a fleet they have flew already, considering the cost of tier3 tech1 ships such as the abbadons, flying faction BS's almost seems logical.
Confirming that test is deploying to otosela
I see you forgot that Nulli holds most of Period Basis. Red Alliance, however, is completely sov-less.
They have sov in Omist. Nulli isn't defending PB and Test has made their plans pretty clear as far as Period Basis goes.
Test ? What do they have to do with it other then being canon fodder? It is the rest of the CFC blob + their PL bitches that are the reason Nulli is loosing space. Test is something they shoot to pad the kill-boards once in a while…
living in 319 fueling the mad for you?
nulli arent living in 319.
What does TEST have to do with it? When I left for work this morning I had a ping on jabber about 30+ SBUs needing dropped in Period Basis.
Goon/Test/Rarely PL Logistics teams are the first reason for sov flipping so fast. Supers are another reason.
Scores of heros in 100mil isk cloaky transport ships are the vanguard of CFC might. Those who are smart (Wallpapers) pick up on that and are able to counter.
Those who refuse to engage blobs, or counter Logistics Blockade Runners: see the rest of delve and querious for reference.
Nulli doesn't care about Period Basis.
There is a huge difference between 0.0 and FW. I'll give Nulli a month before they run back to 0.0
I do too! Especially when we said we would only be doing this for a month to begin with, as the article did as well!
I like how minmatar have put a spin on Nulli joining fw. Fights will be had, isk will be made and in the end nulli and myself will be richer.
I am no Industrialist so I wanted to ask this question: how much of the cost of a ship is tied up in the BPCs? The costs of minerals IMHO is going to be jumping again when the alloys hoarded dry up too. W/O the tags the NAPOC BPCs cost 20M (1/4 Tier 5 = 5M) ISK from the lp stores.
But it looks like you can't get Armageddon BPCs ( or Navy Armageddon BPCs ) from the 24th Crusade LP stores?
So are they planning on by buying the Armageddons off the market then using lp for Nexus chip upgrades or building then from scratch?
Isn't Nulli the spiritual descendant of Atlas? Ah, how the mighty have fallen…
how are nulli the spiritual descendant of atlas?
i see no connection whatsoever.
Test has never sent any alliance anywhere.
Nulli is going to Faction Warfare cause of the possible link later this year or next year with Dust 514
no?
I wonder why there are no Armageddon Navy Issue BPCs in the LP store?
OH YA, AMARR VICTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
man, that OP was funny.
while the "plan" is fairly accurate. The commentary is quite entertaining. I dont believe anyone in matar faction has any idea of the capabilities of Nulli Secunda subcap fleets. Especially when it comes to fighting in armour battleships.
"They lost their space, they must suck" comments are particularly funny. We're talking about a group (s2n, HUN, Vera) who "lost their sov" after 3 months of fighting PL/TEST combined fleets. A group that has made PL stop using slowcats with maelstrom fleets. PL/TEST didnt win a single engagement vs nulli without using capitals and sometimes needed tracking titans….A group that can/has/will crush any armour subcap fleet it encounters. A group that held the combined forces on RED.L, ARISE and WTF when they pushed into omist/feythabolis at their full strength and 3x the numbers. A group that took on the refugees of the old NC when they came to delve last summer. I could go on.
Point is, once the move/evac from delve is all done and ops start going, I wouldn't wanna be on the receiving end of w/e they do. Faction warfare ops wont be all that huge I suspect. Just small gang fun and plexing for LP's. That is: Unless the matar piss them off, then they might go and take their staging system to keep them locked out of the stations
Dreadnaught firesale anyone ?
Otherwise I see them showing up for geminate timers, and fucking around with Solar/goon pets.
time will tell I guess. There's always the possibility they will lose a couple corps because they cant get the amarr faction standings needed (theres a few I suspect) and failscade, but my money is on them taking a break, use fwar to fund a new push into null.
Nice to see Nulli is putting some life in FW. Good opponents, just not enough of them…
You're warmly welcome to join Solar in Geminate. We're running out of good fights, as Solar is blueballing more and more these days. Yesterday's O2O-siege was a disappointment, as they brought too little and melted too fast. I hope Nulli will bring some life to Solar's failing presence at Geminate…
Nulli has been involved in many of the recent big wars as well as our own, without tech funding. We are due a break to have some random fun and regrouping before going back into 0.0 in full force for more good fun. Is it such a big deal? Some of you clearly have no clue on our plans but you read some random online shit talk and assume you know our every move.
No point pushing to defend delve/on when we have such little chance number wise and super capital strength.
Someone said NS is about to to camp Auga if "matar piss them off"… funny, someone also said PLastics are about to camp Amamake at the same time
PL and NS are blue2eachother, amirite ?
awesome!.